Not down on Bush at all. Each Metcalf was a decent player but Terry was a far better all around player and is much closer to Bush's skill set.
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What we have learned after week 6 (1 Viewer)
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packersfan
Footballguy
I'm starting to wonder about that. We're six games into the season and he hasn't come close to a rushing or receiving TD yet. I was a firm believer that he could still deliver 5-7 rushing/receiving TDs this season but now I'm starting to wonder if it might only be 1 or 2. He simply isn't a touchdown threat at this time; clearly isn't the guy the Saints should use near the goal line and hasn't broken a big play as a runner or receiver that could go the distance. The one thing he is doing very well from a production standpoint is catch a lot of passes. But that's about it right now. He's been a major disappointment as a runner and he has yet to really deliver a big play from scrimmage and the season is almost half over. I like him, don't get me wrong, and as I said there's no question about the impact his presence is having on the field, but from a production standpoint the numbers simply haven't been there and I'm starting to wonder if the "his production will eventually come" line of thinking isn't going to materialize until next season. I'd feel more confident clinging to that belief if he was coming real close to breaking some big plays but he really hasn't.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Gotchya. I didn't see Terry play, so it's hard for me to say. I just remember Eric, and Reggie seems to be being used in the same way. Is it his situation or is it his fate? He just reminds me of Eric Metcalf when he entered the league. Electrifying and can take it to the house at anytime, but will he ever be able to carry the load by himself? Is he built for it?
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packersfan
Footballguy
20-30 rushing yards a game and 0 TDs will do that to a guy.
RandyDB
Footballguy
While no teams have lost 16 games in a single season yet, teams have gone winless for a whole season, even two.The Tampa Bay Bucs had 26 Game losing streak. After going 0-14 in their inaugural season (1976), they lost the first 12 games in 1977. The Bucs then finished the season with wins over the Saints and the Cardinals.
Still, this is not the longest losing streak in the NFL. The old Chicago Cardinals hold that dubious distinction with a 29 game losing streak spanning week 7 of their 1942 season through week 3 of their 1945 season, (0-11 in 1943 and 0-12 in 1944).
Oct. 14,1945 - The Chicago Cardinals snap the longest losing streak in NFL history at 29 games with a 16-7 victory over the Chicago Bears.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
You may very well be right about the TDs, but at a pace of nearly 1,300 total yards, I don't see that as a lack of production. Maybe from a fantasy perspective, some had unreasonable expectations, especially not really knowing how he'd be used based on the Saints vanilla offense in the preseason. It is clear that he draws an incredible amount of attention from defenses, and teams are essentially saying Brees, Deuce, Horn, and Colston have to beat them. At 5-1, that approach isn't exactly working -- will be interesting to see if that defensive philosophy starts to change over the next few weeks.
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MelvinTScupper
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it's tough to go undefeated.
Bears.
Bears.
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MelvinTScupper
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I'm the anti-Gunz.MelvinTScupper said:it's tough to go undefeated.
He's money in my point-per-carry league.
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MelvinTScupper
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But their rushing sucks.
zamboni
Footballguy
I wouldn't say sucks, although not nearly as good as with Edge. Collectively, Rhodes and Addai are at a 3.9 YPC clip year-to-date (3.5 for Rhodes, 4.6 for Addai).
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MelvinTScupper
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Yeah, Addai coming on, and I hope he wins the job.zamboni said:
Frank Black
Footballguy
I don't have the stats yet to support this, but the Raiders may not necessarily be the best Def to start your players against, except maybe the RB. Even though the Raiders suck, they may be one of those bad teams that their opponents play down to the level of. If my theory is correct, their opposing teams are not likley to bring out the full arsenal against them, and will do enough to win wihtout putting up big ##.
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Obervations through week 6 ---
* Phillip Rivers was the best quarterback drafted his year.
* Daunte Culpepper is finished.
* The NFC East is not that good.
* RBs can thrive past 30 behind great O-lines, see: Tiki and Thomas Jones.
* Wide Receiver is by far the hardest position to predict in fantasy year to year and week to week.
* Phillip Rivers was the best quarterback drafted his year.
* Daunte Culpepper is finished.
* The NFC East is not that good.
* RBs can thrive past 30 behind great O-lines, see: Tiki and Thomas Jones.
* Wide Receiver is by far the hardest position to predict in fantasy year to year and week to week.
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MelvinTScupper
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I think the middle/late first round RBs were a LOT more difficult to predict.Holt,Housh,Smith,Bolding = easy examples of slam dunks
Yeah, but it was supposed to be Chad and Fitz who were the slam dunks.
ATC1
Footballguy
Moss, Chambers, CJ, Ward = not so muchThen there is more of a chance for someone to shatter their preseason rankings: Colston, Cotchery, Berrian
Gopher State
Footballguy
Very good
No doubt Bush has helped NO, the way other teams plan for him. But catching 5 yard passes don't get you ROY. I think Bush has talent and will be good, but with Duce ahead of him he's not much more then a average WR, however, he is a good special team player, and I agree the overall package of what Bush brings to the table helps NO. But he has a long way to go before you can call him a great "individual Player", he's a good "Team player" now.
TLEF316
Footballguy
yeah, its the scheme. Vilma's strength is his ability to run sideline to sideline and make plays. With the new 3-4, he's constantly forced to take on blockers, limiting his mobility. Add in the fact that the jets dont have a nose tackle worth anything, and you have the recipe for a fantasy disaster. Vilma needs a year to adjust and a big, Sam Adams type fat ### in front of him to be productive again. Its very similar to what happened to ray lewis when the ravens switched to the 3-4 after siragusa and adams left baltimore.
Idiot Savant
What, me worry?
Did you mean to say Thomas Jones or were you thinking of someone else? He's not past 30 (he just turned 28), and he's had 2 good games and 4 poor ones so far this year (21-63-3.0-0, 21-64-3.0-0, 18-54-3.0-0, and 11-39-3.5-0).
i agree completely yet the chargers haven't seemed to miss him to much.... which shows how good rivers is becoming.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I just checked Edge's production in a PPR league since. Some guy offered me a pile of crap for him and I wanted to see how he stacked up against other RB's. Edge has 88 points and currently ranks 12th in a PPR league. Marginally a RB1 in a 12 team league. Huge in a league that allows at least 1 flex player at RB.JuniorNB said:
Whups -- had his birthday wrong in my head. To make my point, I will substitute Warrick Dunn, who is 31. I passed on both those guys in my draft rounds I and II on their age alone -- and it was an error.(Those years Thomas Jones spent in Arizona should count double for aging purposes for an RB -- its where they go to suffer when they have sinned.)
nygiants56
Footballguy
MJD is what Bush was supposed to be.
Marion Barber is one JJ injury away from being a top 5 RB.
Marion Barber is one JJ injury away from being a top 5 RB.
In Texas?
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MelvinTScupper
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And vice versa. JJ does the hard work, MBIII comes in Bettis style.
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MelvinTScupper
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CJ has been solid, if not spectatular. Ward will get his chances now that Roeth is going. Moss (assuming you mean Randy) hasn't been top caliber WR since he left Minnesota. Chambers also had significant risks associated with him the moment they signed Culpepper.
Heck of an idea. Vick is an enormous talent, but not at QB. This just in: QBs throw the ball. Vick has been a heck of a RB this year.
He might still be - IF he was running behind the Colts lineDid you ("WE all thought he was") not realize he was going to run behind THE worst offensive line in the NFL?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I think Chicago might want to argue that one.....San Diego is the BEST team in Football .... 1st in Defence; 3rd in Offenceand Rivers is just getting going ...
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Chicago is an overrated team playing a very weak schedule...but SD isn't the best team in football either.TheFanatic said:I think Chicago might want to argue that one.....Mapmaker said:San Diego is the BEST team in Football .... 1st in Defence; 3rd in Offenceand Rivers is just getting going ...
