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October 26, 2006, 08:53
Redskins :: QB
QB J. Campbell Gets All The First Team Snaps
Howard Bryant, Washington Post - [Full Article]
With the Redskins on a bye this week, the game they will be playing won't take place on the field but in the front office. In QB Mark Brunell's absence, a curious and possibly important event took place: For the first time in his young career, QB Jason Campbell took all the snaps with the first team on consecutive days. The move could be significant, a sign that the Redskins have accelerated their timetable for getting Campbell prepared to play. Or it could just mean that Campbell merely was filling in for Brunell and is no closer to being activated for his first NFL game. LINK
October 26, 2006, 08:53
Redskins :: QB
QB J. Campbell Gets All The First Team Snaps
Howard Bryant, Washington Post - [Full Article]
With the Redskins on a bye this week, the game they will be playing won't take place on the field but in the front office. In QB Mark Brunell's absence, a curious and possibly important event took place: For the first time in his young career, QB Jason Campbell took all the snaps with the first team on consecutive days. The move could be significant, a sign that the Redskins have accelerated their timetable for getting Campbell prepared to play. Or it could just mean that Campbell merely was filling in for Brunell and is no closer to being activated for his first NFL game. LINK
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Redskins + Campbell = 
Why do you say so? Just youth+typical mistakes?The little I've seen him I remember thinking he was pretty good then seeing him throw an INT so...pretty typical young guyRedskins + Campbell =
at what point do the skins go to campbell to evaluate him and see if he indeed fits into their plans for the future?
in an Al Saunders Offense you would have to think the kid will have some good upside if he passes the test(that is if he gets a chance to take it)
I guess only time will tell, I think that at some point in time this season we will see campbell under center but it wont be until next yr sometime that we actually find out if he is the redskins future at QB
in an Al Saunders Offense you would have to think the kid will have some good upside if he passes the test(that is if he gets a chance to take it)
I guess only time will tell, I think that at some point in time this season we will see campbell under center but it wont be until next yr sometime that we actually find out if he is the redskins future at QB
redman
Footballguy
The thread I started on this subject is here. These practices could be a sign of Campbell replacing Brunell imminently, or they could just be the team taking advantage of the bye week to get their young QB some reps while the veteran guy (who seems to be stronger with rest than practice) takes a blow. Along those lines I could see the team using Brunell's "injury" as a way of deflecting peoples' questions about a QB controversy or the practice being a sign of a switch. OTOH, Brunell wasn't listed on last week's injury report.
As I said in that previous thread, it's something to watch but you're reaching the end of the time when you can still have a chance to pick up Campbell off of waivers relatively uncontested/cheaply.
TankRizzo
Footballguy
If Brunell weren't hurt, this might have more meaning. Him getting the snaps over collins DOES mean something though. I think the Redskins realize where their train is headed. Gibbs won't call it a season until making the playoffs is impossible. He'll ride Brunell to 7 losses I think.
TankRizzo
Footballguy
He took a couple good shots during the colts game and apparently has some banged up ribs.
redman
Footballguy
Well, it at least means that to the extent that Brunell's ability to start the next game is in question, Gibbs is true to his word that Campbell would be the guy to start in his place and Collins would only be first in line to replace Brunell as an in-game replacement (the logic being that the younger guy should benefit from a week of preparation and reps).
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Washington's upcoming schedule:
Week 8 - bye
Week 9 - vs. Dallas
Week 10 - @ Philly
Week 11 - @ Tampa
Week 12 - vs. Carolina
Week 13 - vs. Atlanta
None of those games look suitable for giving a youngster his first NFL start.
Week 8 - bye
Week 9 - vs. Dallas
Week 10 - @ Philly
Week 11 - @ Tampa
Week 12 - vs. Carolina
Week 13 - vs. Atlanta
None of those games look suitable for giving a youngster his first NFL start.
redman
Footballguy
Assuming Campbell plays, I fully expect him to make more mistakes than Brunell would (more sacks and INT's) however he in many respects appears otherwise better suited to run this offense based upon his physical attributes. He's got a stronger arm and seems to stand taller in the pocket, which lends itself to throwing downfield. I've been impressed (albeit during preseason of course) at his pocket awareness, his ability to do the little things like step up in the pocket to avoid the rush, and his mobility (which at this point is far better than Brunell's) to roll out and throw on the run. Like Romo in Dallas, these latter attributes may alleviate some of the pressure on the line which has struggled with the pass rush this year. I also think that putting him in the lineup will force the team to do what it should have been doing on offense all along IMHO: ride Portis. This line loves to run block, and Portis loves to get his carries and gets stronger as the game goes on. This will take the pressure off of Campbell and the o-line, and will better enable Campbell to play-action pass which should finally get guys like Lloyd involved in the offense. At the end of the day there are no "easy" games in the NFL, so the opposition won't make much difference in their decision making here.
dgreen
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They have a bye this week. They have a long list of players who missed practice the last two days. I believe Brunell, Portis, Moss, Griffin, Marshall, and Washington all sat out.Maybe they are going to make the move, but I seriously doubt it. I think it is more likely that they are moving towards having Campbell being the in-game #2 over Collins.
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fatness
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Jeff Pasquino
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There will be more in the Staff Roundtable, but....Campbell AnalysisWhy do you say so? Just youth+typical mistakes?The little I've seen him I remember thinking he was pretty good then seeing him throw an INT so...pretty typical young guyRedskins + Campbell =
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seems kinda harsh but interesting, thanksThere will be more in the Staff Roundtable, but....Campbell AnalysisWhy do you say so? Just youth+typical mistakes?The little I've seen him I remember thinking he was pretty good then seeing him throw an INT so...pretty typical young guyRedskins + Campbell =
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redman
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Who personally scouted him? This may all be true, but keep in mind that even the vets were struggling with the offense in the preseason, so that may have contributed to any problems he was having looking sharp.There will be more in the Staff Roundtable, but....Campbell AnalysisWhy do you say so? Just youth+typical mistakes?The little I've seen him I remember thinking he was pretty good then seeing him throw an INT so...pretty typical young guyRedskins + Campbell =
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As for the mechanics, it's been long noted that he has a long windup, but at any rate we really won't know what he looks like until he actually plays.
Agree 10000%. The fact that he can't beat out Mark Brunell when I'm sure the top brass is just dying for this guy to get a chance... gives you a ballpark idea how bad Jason Campbell is.Redskins + Campbell =
The Mechanic
Footballguy
WOW! Not much Man Love here.Six foot four ,two hundred and twenty pounds, strong arm, stands tall in the pocket..,these are the remarks I have read from diffrent threads in this forum. Sounds OK, Yet all I see are trainwrecks and doom spoken for the rookie. I'll hold back on a grade until I see him under center. I not sure which matchup would be his best, they all look pretty tough. Maybe he can run like H*LL, that could be a plus.Agree 10000%. The fact that he can't beat out Mark Brunell when I'm sure the top brass is just dying for this guy to get a chance... gives you a ballpark idea how bad Jason Campbell is.Redskins + Campbell =
redman
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The truth is that we have no real idea how he'll end up. He has a good resume through college, but what distorts the view of him in the NFL is that he's playing for one of the most conservative coaches in the NFL regarding starting younger QB's over older QB's. The gloom and doom you're seeing above seems to ignore that in favor of simply seeing a lack of playing time over Mark Brunell, who doesn't look particularly good playing the position right now. As I've said before, don't underestimate Gibbs' reluctance to start ANY young QB if he has a veteran QB on the roster who's 98.6 and breathing. He's loyal to his incumbent veteran QB's to a fault.The Mechanic said:WOW! Not much Man Love here.Six foot four ,two hundred and twenty pounds, strong arm, stands tall in the pocket..,these are the remarks I have read from diffrent threads in this forum. Sounds OK, Yet all I see are trainwrecks and doom spoken for the rookie. I'll hold back on a grade until I see him under center. I not sure which matchup would be his best, they all look pretty tough. Maybe he can run like H*LL, that could be a plus.heyshady said:Agree 10000%. The fact that he can't beat out Mark Brunell when I'm sure the top brass is just dying for this guy to get a chance... gives you a ballpark idea how bad Jason Campbell is.Redskins + Campbell =
corpcow
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I don't know. Let's look at Leinart's two starts.
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WK TM OPP CMP ATT YD TD INT RSH YD TD FPT 6 ARI CHI 24 42 232 2 0 0 0 0 19.6 7 ARI OAK 13 32 203 0 2 3 5 0 8.7TankRizzo
Footballguy
I don't think anyone short of Jesus Christ himself could beat out Brunell in Gibbs's eyes. Look at how long he kept him out there in the '04 campaign. He was HORRIBLE out there. And at that point, we had all seen what Ramsey had to offer and it certainly wasn't 1/8th as bad as what we were seeing out of Brunell that year. That said I do think (read hope) that Brunell's time as the starting QB is coming to an end. Gibbs will probably wait until we're at 7 or 8 losses before he does it. Worst case scenario IMO would be Brunell going on a streak and we end the season 8-8, no playoffs and Cambell doesn't see the first start.heyshady said:
Scrap Iron
Footballguy
sounds like how they described Ryan Leaf...The Mechanic said:WOW! Not much Man Love here.Six foot four ,two hundred and twenty pounds, strong arm, stands tall in the pocket..,these are the remarks I have read from diffrent threads in this forum. Sounds OK, Yet all I see are trainwrecks and doom spoken for the rookie.heyshady said:Agree 10000%. The fact that he can't beat out Mark Brunell when I'm sure the top brass is just dying for this guy to get a chance... gives you a ballpark idea how bad Jason Campbell is.Redskins + Campbell =
I'll hold back on a grade until I see him under center. I not sure which matchup would be his best, they all look pretty tough. Maybe he can run like H*LL, that could be a plus.
TankRizzo
Footballguy
I'm not the biggest Cambell fan (was certainly not happy w/ the trade to get him), but can we at least wait until he takes a snap in the NFL before we start making the Leaf comparisons?
Scrap Iron
Footballguy
Not a comparison to Leaf at all. Just pointing out the obvious - good size and arm strength alone do not a quarterback make.
ren hoek
Footballguy
That's an excellent point. I watched the Redskins/Bengals game that year and saw Brunell play. It was absolutely the worst quarterback performance that I have ever seen, and that includes the Kyle Orton vs. Bengals game that I saw last year. He just looked completely incapable of functioning, really slow with his reads and even worse with his accuracy, be it a wide open receiver or a RB running free in the flat. Just atrocious.
redman
Footballguy
Unless he's injured, Gibbs said he's going to start. Now, what he does from there . . .
A big difference between Campbell and Leaf is that, in college, Campbell started a lot of games and had a high completion percentage -- and those things seem to be pretty important.
aggie_dave
Footballguy
If the speculation is true and Campbell does take over, then all I can say is I am glad I am not a Moss owner. The presence of a 1st career start QB has to hurt the passing game more than anything else, and I imagine that would transform Moss' already pedestrian year into a disaster. With the exception of his 3 TD game, owners have to already be disappointed with this year and sweating bullets now.
Here is likely how Campbell gets the start.
If Both Giants and Phila win there games.
Phila winning would move their record to 5-3 with 8 games left.
NYG winning would move their record to 5-2 with 9 games left.
Washington is currently 2-5 and 0-2 division and 0-3 in NFC
With the possibility of 9 games left for them, its hard to figure they will finish 11-5 and although its possible for them to win the division at 8-8 its very unlikely if both Phila and NYG have 5 wins at that point. If they can't win there division. It is also likely they would be doomed for any wildcard spots from the 0-3 NFC start.
It obviously not impossible for them to make it, but if they come to term that its very improbable than starting Campbell now will ensure a better setup for them next season.
Look at Dallas, although Romo is figured to be more athetic than Bledsoe you just dont go throw him in the fray this early saying, Hey this is the guy who going to win it all for us this year. Its a plan for next year. Its why Jerry Jones believe Parcells decision was wrong. If NYG and Phila win my thoughts are Washington will make a similar move. If they both lose he will likely keep Brunell in as the divisional race is a bit closer.
If Both Giants and Phila win there games.
Phila winning would move their record to 5-3 with 8 games left.
NYG winning would move their record to 5-2 with 9 games left.
Washington is currently 2-5 and 0-2 division and 0-3 in NFC
With the possibility of 9 games left for them, its hard to figure they will finish 11-5 and although its possible for them to win the division at 8-8 its very unlikely if both Phila and NYG have 5 wins at that point. If they can't win there division. It is also likely they would be doomed for any wildcard spots from the 0-3 NFC start.
It obviously not impossible for them to make it, but if they come to term that its very improbable than starting Campbell now will ensure a better setup for them next season.
Look at Dallas, although Romo is figured to be more athetic than Bledsoe you just dont go throw him in the fray this early saying, Hey this is the guy who going to win it all for us this year. Its a plan for next year. Its why Jerry Jones believe Parcells decision was wrong. If NYG and Phila win my thoughts are Washington will make a similar move. If they both lose he will likely keep Brunell in as the divisional race is a bit closer.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
As much as I want Campbell in there cause I think the season is shot, Brunell hasn't practiced but 2 days a week for the last 3 weeks.
The only news here is that it's Campbell instead of Collins. Just preparation for the inevitable.
The only news here is that it's Campbell instead of Collins. Just preparation for the inevitable.
fatness
Footballguy
Normally I would agree with you --- that Brunell would start even if he only got in 1-2 days of practice. But the coaching staff specifically said there were things they wanted to work with Brunell on to improve his play because it was holding back the offense ---- not holding the ball so long, not avoiding the middle of the field, always checking down to dumpoff passes. I don't see any way they can work on those to their satisfaction with only 1-2 practices.
corpcow
Footballguy
I generally agree with you - BUT I think there's more to the move in Dallas than just winning next year. I truly believe Parcells feels that Romo gives them a better chance right now. The offensive line play has been horrible, and Romo's mobility opens things up for them (and will make TO more dangerous). It gets to the point where, as you said, if you don't think you can win with the veteran making mistakes, you might as well give the kid a tryout. But you're not doing it solely because you're "giving in" - there are reasons you think he can help you win TODAY with the supporting cast, and avoiding the specific mistakes that were dooming your team.Just my 2 cents.
redman
Footballguy
Everyong agrees the Campbell switch is inevitable, the question is when. As for Brunell's practice time, he only practiced for two days before the Jacksonville game - his best showing of the year by far - and he looked stronger because of it.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I think a lot of people are ignoring the fact that Brunell is completing 64% of his passes, with 7 TDs to only 3 INTs, with 0 lost fumbles, and a 90.4 passer rating. His yards-per-game (209) is the highest it's been as a Redskin, and his yards-per-attempt (7.11) is the highest it's been since 1998.
The guy's having a pretty good season.
The guy's having a pretty good season.
redman
Footballguy
His stats are deceptive and are not an indication of how tenuous his hold is on the job. He's not running the offense effectively at all. He's hesitant for whatever reason to throw to open receivers downfield and so he checks down a lot. The 'Skins are second in the league in yards after catch, and that's due to the superb skills that Moss and Randle El in particular have with the ball after a catch. Lloyd, who was signed to be a deep threat, has not coincidentally been the most neglected WR, repeatedly getting open but not getting a pass. It's also true that opposing defenses are playing a lot of two-deep coverage forcing the underneath stuff - the Houston game was a prime example. However I think that's out of respect for how (potentially) dangerous and fast the WR's are, and not because of any particular fear of Brunell. Brunell's also benefitted from a lot of garbage yards - the 'Skins have been trailing in a lot of games and the defenses have loosened up in the second half. For example, until his final drive of the game @ Indy - a meaningless TD-scoring drive when they were three TD's down - Brunell was 17/26/139 1/0; he went 10/11/87 1/0 on that drive against a very loose prevent defense and finished 27/37/226 2/0.
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redman
Footballguy
I will add another thought here. Probably the sole reason "justifying" Brunell's continuing status at starter is that good 7/3 TD/INT ratio. Gibbs' primary concern out of his QB, even more than the QB's ability to "make plays", is that the QB avoid mistakes. It's why Gibbs has not ever relied upon the services of a Hall of Fame caliber (and only rarely a Pro Bowl caliber) QB in order to win. People associate this approach with Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens, which is true, but Gibbs has shown the ability to get some very impressive passing results out of his "QB-managers".
He likes to establish the run, and enable his QB to exploit defenses that are forced to load up to stop that run by making the proper read and throwing to the WR in single coverage. Play action is a big part of this formula. It's a plan that is timeless in its simplicity and its effectiveness, and IMHO was only in need after last year of some fine tuning to account for the athleticism and complexity of today's defenders and their schemes in order to be back and banging on all cylinders.
Instead, they hired Al Saunders who, while from the same Coryell coaching school, seems to prefer to use more finesse rather than power running and uses the pass to set up the run as much as the run sets up the pass. This puts more emphasis upon the QB to make plays "on his own" as opposed to as a result of what the running game is doing. Brunell is not capable of doing that very well any more. In short, they have a QB who fits Gibbs' offensive philosophy running Al Saunders' offense.
I'm not as critical of the Saunders hire as I am of Saunders' seeming inability to adjust what he's doing to fit personnel who clearly were put together to run Gibbs offense more than a pass-first offense. That's why you have guys like Portis and even Gibbs saying this week that they need to figure out who they are and establish an identity.
This offense will improve. There's too much skill on the team not to do that. The question is how quickly and how much. I am going to be very upset with Gibbs from here on out if he fails to exercise his leadership discretion and reign in Saunders' finesse approach in favor of his run-first approach that his team knows and understands. Leadership begins at the top. Fortunately, there are few people around who understand that better than Gibbs.
He likes to establish the run, and enable his QB to exploit defenses that are forced to load up to stop that run by making the proper read and throwing to the WR in single coverage. Play action is a big part of this formula. It's a plan that is timeless in its simplicity and its effectiveness, and IMHO was only in need after last year of some fine tuning to account for the athleticism and complexity of today's defenders and their schemes in order to be back and banging on all cylinders.
Instead, they hired Al Saunders who, while from the same Coryell coaching school, seems to prefer to use more finesse rather than power running and uses the pass to set up the run as much as the run sets up the pass. This puts more emphasis upon the QB to make plays "on his own" as opposed to as a result of what the running game is doing. Brunell is not capable of doing that very well any more. In short, they have a QB who fits Gibbs' offensive philosophy running Al Saunders' offense.
I'm not as critical of the Saunders hire as I am of Saunders' seeming inability to adjust what he's doing to fit personnel who clearly were put together to run Gibbs offense more than a pass-first offense. That's why you have guys like Portis and even Gibbs saying this week that they need to figure out who they are and establish an identity.
This offense will improve. There's too much skill on the team not to do that. The question is how quickly and how much. I am going to be very upset with Gibbs from here on out if he fails to exercise his leadership discretion and reign in Saunders' finesse approach in favor of his run-first approach that his team knows and understands. Leadership begins at the top. Fortunately, there are few people around who understand that better than Gibbs.
This week is it. If they lose this week I think Campbell needs to be put in.
I agree, it was before the Houston game (yeah I know it was Houston but still) he looked sharper, more confident, and just more rested.
redman
Footballguy
I don't know about Houston but that was definitely the case before the Jacksonville game.
he looked really good that week too. I think he is just getting a little long in the tooth where sitting out a week resting is more beneficial.
