Kinda but not really. My beef is that I feel most of the flack was because we passed on Bush, not necessarily because we took Mario...as in Bush is this all-time great prospect, how dare you pass on Reggie Bush. I hope that clears it up a little.I agree that we didn't maximize the value of the pick. But I think it's too early to say if Mario won't be a franchise player. He isn't having a bad rookie season and DE's are typically paid high salaries.
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Are the Texans still idiots? (1 Viewer)
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'm not voting because I don't like the options. I don't think the Texans were idiots for passing on Bush. I think in the long run Bush will be a better NFL player than Williams, but not greatly so, and probably not to the extent that the Texans would have had to pay Bush. Not signing Bush will allow the Texans more flexibility in making future moves which is important because the Texans are definitely NOT one player away from being contenders. I think people tend to forget that. I don't think their record would be any different if they had Bush rather than Wiliams right now.
I think the Texans should probably tried a bit harder to parlay their draft position into something more advantageous, and possibly could have taken a QB rather than Williams as well. But I seem to recall that no one really wanted to deal for that pick, somewhat because the Texans showed their hand early in their intention not to draft Bush, as well as their interest in Williams. I think they could have played it closer to the vest and made their pick look sexier in trade talks.
I also don't understand how people can be disappointed with what Bush has done so far. He's doing pretty much exactly what I thought he'd do - and what many other people who saw him frequently in college thought he would do - at this point in time. If you're disappointed right now your expectations were simply unrealistic going in. I think he will definitely improve as time goes on, the question being will he be able to run inside effectively - something he was not able to do so much at USC, even though he was in fact given many opportunities to do so. That will determine whether he has an Eric Metcalf type career or a Marshall Faulk type career. Stay tuned.
I think the Texans should probably tried a bit harder to parlay their draft position into something more advantageous, and possibly could have taken a QB rather than Williams as well. But I seem to recall that no one really wanted to deal for that pick, somewhat because the Texans showed their hand early in their intention not to draft Bush, as well as their interest in Williams. I think they could have played it closer to the vest and made their pick look sexier in trade talks.
I also don't understand how people can be disappointed with what Bush has done so far. He's doing pretty much exactly what I thought he'd do - and what many other people who saw him frequently in college thought he would do - at this point in time. If you're disappointed right now your expectations were simply unrealistic going in. I think he will definitely improve as time goes on, the question being will he be able to run inside effectively - something he was not able to do so much at USC, even though he was in fact given many opportunities to do so. That will determine whether he has an Eric Metcalf type career or a Marshall Faulk type career. Stay tuned.
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Hi Ice.
Short answer is yes, I still think they're idiots for passing on Reggie Bush. I was one of the first guys hyping Wali Lundy and I like him a lot. But I'd much rather have Reggie Bush over Mario Williams.
J
Short answer is yes, I still think they're idiots for passing on Reggie Bush. I was one of the first guys hyping Wali Lundy and I like him a lot. But I'd much rather have Reggie Bush over Mario Williams.
J
cstu
Footballguy
The UFA free agent market next year won't be as good as last year, but there are good RB's who may be available for trade/RFA like Thomas Jones, Deuce and Turner - all of whom will be much cheaper in comparison to Bush. I think Bush will be a great RB, but it's such an injury-prone position that I think giving a $26.2M bonus to a rookie RB is ridiculous. I think the Texans made a mistake not trading down (I wanted them to trade with the Jets and get D'Brick) but I think they are better off as a team with Mario instead of Bush.Here's how Bush's contract compared to Edge and Alexander:Reggie Bush 6-year, $51 milllion ($26.2 million guaranteed, over first 3 years - $26.2 million + 2006-2008 salaries (~$12M))Edgerrin James 4-year, 30 million ($11.5 million guaranteed, over first 3 years - $25 million)Shaun Alexander 8-year, $62 million ($13.5 million guaranteed, over first 3 years - $23 million)thayman said:cstu said:As hard as it is to believe, RB's for the most part are a dime a dozen. Bush's guaranteed contract is ridiculous for an unproven RB no matter how good he is expected to be. For the money Bush received the Texans could sign any RB in the NFL next year.JetsWillWin said:The NFL is not a fantasy league.They drafted him as an impact offensive player - and that's what he is.Traders2001 said:Cause that is not why they drafted him , he is nt a WR he is a RB but he cant run the ball in the NFL.Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?Do those yards not count? Did you think somebody here wouldn't notice?
Gargoylez
Footballguy
Little to do with Reggie Bush really. I am sure it helped to some small degree but the Play of Brees, the new coaches and the lack of Aaron Brooks is the true reason behind their success.As far as the Texans being IDIOTS...Compare how many RB's break onto the scene and excel the first year to the number of DE's? I am not going to make some bold prediction or anything but 3 years down the road, they could very well have a 15 sack a year guy and a cornerstone of their defense. It is rare to see DE's make an impact like a RB does their rookie year.Bottom line. Texans should of drafted Bush, PERIOD. I don't deny that, but I can see what they are trying to accomplish... Manning still hasnt sniffed a superbowl, and I relate that to DEFENSE wins championships.ADDED: If they were NOT going to draft Bush, even trading downa few spots for a donut and coffee would of been something better then they got! So yeah they were IDIOTS for that.Organized Chaos said:
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easy like sunday morning
Footballguy
Bush would be used a lot different with Houston than he is with the Saints. The Saints use him in a very unique way because they have McAllister. McAllister is also having a very good year in some part due to Bush. It is amazing the attention the D gives to Reggie. The Saints fake to him all the time and get extra yards due to it.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
Have any of the people on here bashing Bush watched the Saints play this year? He has a HUGE impact on all plays he's involved with even when he doesn't touch the ball. I can't count how many times I've seen the Saints fake an end around to him and watch every LB pursue him only to have Deuce run up the gut for a 20 yard game.
The Saints are thrilled with Reggie Bush and they thank the Texans every day for not drafting him.
The Saints are thrilled with Reggie Bush and they thank the Texans every day for not drafting him.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
While the easy route out of this is to say "it's too early to tell" we wouldn't have any discussion on this board if we didn't speculate. My gut tells me that the Texans actually made the right choice. I believe that both Bush and Williams will have excellent careers. Yet, RB's are much more easily obtained in the NFL (not a dime a dozen as mentioned earlier), and the system (IMHO) is more important than the back. With Kubiak in Houston, I believe the system will require a straight ahead runner, not a "kick-it outside" type of back.
For those saying, "they should have traded down," it takes two to tango. Don't think for a second that the Texans weren't on the phone with everyone and anyone trying to forge a deal. The reality of the NFL is that blockbuster trades (i.e., Vick or Eli type) are difficult to finalize. Real-world deals are tougher than deciding if Andre Johnson for Warrick Dunn is a fair fantasy trade.
Arguments can currently be made that both teams have benefited, and will continue to benefit from who they chose. MANY draft picks have resulted in a different fate.
For those saying, "they should have traded down," it takes two to tango. Don't think for a second that the Texans weren't on the phone with everyone and anyone trying to forge a deal. The reality of the NFL is that blockbuster trades (i.e., Vick or Eli type) are difficult to finalize. Real-world deals are tougher than deciding if Andre Johnson for Warrick Dunn is a fair fantasy trade.
Arguments can currently be made that both teams have benefited, and will continue to benefit from who they chose. MANY draft picks have resulted in a different fate.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Lousy WR's will never catch the ball.pinequick said:Capella said:Why would I post those? This isn't my thread or my argument. Post the whole story, don't half-### it unless you want to look like an idiot.icehouse said:Go ahead and post those. He is catching a lot of passes but some of the above players are out-producing him there as well.So adding in his receiving yards (which have also produced no TD's), are the Texans still idiots?Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?That's sort of like posting Micheal Vick's passing stats (prior to the last 2 weeks, of course) without posting his rushing stats and then trying to make the argument that he had a lousy game.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Looking at the numbers only does not tell the whole story. How are the saints using Bush vs the colts using addai?
The texans should have taken Bush or traded down.
The texans should have taken Bush or traded down.
Wood said that he had been disappointing thus far. You seem to imply that Wood was making a final judgement on Bush's career worth. Those are two different things. An employer can make a judgement on any employee thus far after 8 weeks.Capella said:It's 8 games, wood. I sure hope your first employer didn't judge your future worth after only 8 weeks.Jason Wood said:While I agree that Bush's value is inherently in the total skill set, there's no question that he's been disappointing thus far. To suggest that his lack of success as a runner should be disregarded is silly, because without being an effective runner, his current career trajectory looks a lot more like Amp Lee or Larry Centers than it does Marshall Faulk.Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
Why? Do you think the Texans and their ragged line could have used Bush the same way that the Saints do (granted, I think the Texans o-line and QB are much worse than the ones for the Saints). Also, Bush hasn't looked good running the ball and he would be required to do that more in Houston (no Deuce to hide that weakness), and he doesn't really fit the style that Kubiak wants, so......
GregR_2
Footballguy
My gut would say the Texans didn't make a wrong choice, though one might be more "right" than the other.I don't want to read too much into Mario's performances to date, but obviously it's all we have to evaluate him on so far. His first few games he looked horrible and Kubiak came down on him for his effort level. Since then, I think he's looked really good, and is doing the kind of things that the Texans had in mind when they drafted him. He's getting pressure on the QB, and he's also anchoring the D-line against the run and breaking up run plays with penetration and running down guys from behind. He just needs to continue to grow and improve and not let his effort level fall again.
That's one aspect of the situation that a lot of people overlook. Kubiak's system builds on itself. The O-line are supposed to take certain angles on their blocks to help shut out the LB from the next gap over. The RB is supposed to make 1 cut to his gap and hit it at full speed to force LB's to have to commit to their gap. If they try to cheat over you want them out of position to deliver a stopping hit to a RB running downhill. When you make the LB commit to their gap like that, the bootleg that Denver is so famous for running opens up further as those LB are out of position to chase.Bush's strengths are not a good fit for the system. By saying that I don't mean that he wouldn't be a boon to the offense. But it would take more for a Kubiak or Shanahan to fit him into their system than it would other teams. And that played it's part in the overall decision, along with things like signability, Bush's misrepresentation to the Texans about the situation with his parents, etc.
redman
Footballguy
Assani Fisher said:
The funny thing is that if Mario Williams pans out the way that they hope he does, that alone will shut up most of the critics. Hypothetically speaking, would the Panthers be kicking themselves for passing on Marshall Faulk if they'd drafted Julius Peppers instead? I don't recall the Colts kicking themselves for trading away Faulk to the Rams for not a lot. 
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Just a note on punt return yards. They are much harder to gain than kick return yards. 20 yards per kick return is crappy (you can only make it back to the 20), while 10 for punt return is well above average. Remember, by the time most punts are fielded, the defense is already there in your face. Not so with kick returns, where you have at least a 10-15 yard run before anyone comes close to you.
I do think Bush's impact on special teams is alot bigger than most are giving him credit for. Also, many of his receptions have been for first downs. Even if he's not making big plays, he's a reliable target. He's also not really getting alot of opportunities in the run game. It takes some backs 15-20 carries before they really get it going. Since Bush hasn't been given that opportunity, we don't know if he's that kind of back (like Carnell Williams is).
The bottom line is that I do think the Texans made a mistake. They should have selected Bush or Young. Either one would be an improvement. Mario Williams will be fine, but he's not the type of impact player the Texans need. They play in a 3-4, which makes the defensive end almost inconsequential.
I do think Bush's impact on special teams is alot bigger than most are giving him credit for. Also, many of his receptions have been for first downs. Even if he's not making big plays, he's a reliable target. He's also not really getting alot of opportunities in the run game. It takes some backs 15-20 carries before they really get it going. Since Bush hasn't been given that opportunity, we don't know if he's that kind of back (like Carnell Williams is).
The bottom line is that I do think the Texans made a mistake. They should have selected Bush or Young. Either one would be an improvement. Mario Williams will be fine, but he's not the type of impact player the Texans need. They play in a 3-4, which makes the defensive end almost inconsequential.
DBC Tweeker
Footballguy
They are not idiots for taking mario Williams over Reggie Bush.
They are idiots for not trading DOWN!
They are idiots for not trading DOWN!
Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
and yes, they are still idiots.
Capella said:Why would I post those? This isn't my thread or my argument. Post the whole story, don't half-### it unless you want to look like an idiot.icehouse said:Go ahead and post those. He is catching a lot of passes but some of the above players are out-producing him there as well.So adding in his receiving yards (which have also produced no TD's), are the Texans still idiots?Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
lmFAo at asking you to make his argument for him.what an ########.
redman
Footballguy
They play in a 4-3 as of this year, since Kubiak took over for Capers who favored, as you said, the 3-4.
coolnerd
Footballguy
The Texans converted to the 4-3 with the new coaching staff.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Not if production was up 400% and he was part of the reason that it was.Sigfawn said:8 weeks?! What industry do you work in? I'd guess the government.If you're one of the HIGHEST paid at your position (right out of college), and you're sucking, you don't get 8 weeks. When guys making 5% of what you do, are doing better, tell me an industry where the boss doesn't really care. In the real world, Bush would have been fired, then rehired at about 10% his original contract.Capella said:It's 8 games, wood. I sure hope your first employer didn't judge your future worth after only 8 weeks.Jason Wood said:While I agree that Bush's value is inherently in the total skill set, there's no question that he's been disappointing thus far. To suggest that his lack of success as a runner should be disregarded is silly, because without being an effective runner, his current career trajectory looks a lot more like Amp Lee or Larry Centers than it does Marshall Faulk.Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
they got offers, feel free to google. The articles are out there
Bush is now #15 in the league (his average). Would you consider that above average (legit question, no sarcasm intended)?Maroney is #2, Norwood is #5 and Jones-Drew is #14 in avg for kick-off returns. Additionally, the Texans already had a pro-bowl returner.
My original argument was on his impact as teh next great RB that we missed out on, not the pass-catching RB with average ypr. But I posted those stats as well.Reading is fundamental........Capella said:Why would I post those? This isn't my thread or my argument. Post the whole story, don't half-### it unless you want to look like an idiot.icehouse said:Go ahead and post those. He is catching a lot of passes but some of the above players are out-producing him there as well.So adding in his receiving yards (which have also produced no TD's), are the Texans still idiots?Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
cstu
Footballguy
It's pretty telling how NFL teams value RB's when Marshall Faulk is traded for a 2nd while John Abraham gets traded for a 1st. If both Mario and Bush turn out to be great players it will be Mario who is worth more because great DE's are harder to find than great RB's.Assani Fisher said:
redman
Footballguy
Agreed. While Denver is an extreme example, they've demonstrated that a stable offense can plug in merely average to above average (for the NFL) talent at the RB position and have success year after year. You simply can't say that about DE. How many teams in the NFL would give up their Pro Bowl level RB's for Michael Strahan (assuming away the age difference)?It's pretty telling how NFL teams value RB's when Marshall Faulk is traded for a 2nd while John Abraham gets traded for a 1st. If both Mario and Bush turn out to be great players it will be Mario who is worth more because great DE's are harder to find than great RB's.Assani Fisher said:
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Considering that there are 32 teams, and several use multiple punt returners, then yes I'd say that Bush is above average in punt returns.In Houston, Bush wouldn't return punts, but he would be a much larger part of the offense than he is in New Orleans. The Texans don't have the luxury of a Deuce McAllister in the backfield.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Just some things to throw in to the mix. Mathis was a pro-bowl kick-off returner. As a punt returner he was pretty average and at times struggled even fielding the punts. Remember at draft time, DomDavis was considered to be recovering from "minor" knee surgery. The use of Bush would have been potentially very similiar to New Orleans IF Mathis and Davis were healthy. If those health issues do not occur then, the perception is very different especially in the short term. Editted to add: IMO, the chance are that with a fully healthy Texans, Bush as a Texans would have played a similiar role as he does currently in NO.ExaltedOne said:
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Capella said:Why would I post those? This isn't my thread or my argument. Post the whole story, don't half-### it unless you want to look like an idiot.icehouse said:Go ahead and post those. He is catching a lot of passes but some of the above players are out-producing him there as well.So adding in his receiving yards (which have also produced no TD's), are the Texans still idiots?Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
As some others have pointed out, we're idiots because we didn't take Vince Young. The hometown angle is nice and all, but that's not the main reason. Vince is charismatic and a leader whose teammates all seem to rally around him--you could see it during the game on Sunday. Meanwhile it's the same old story down here with David Carr. The team doesn't rally around him on the field (despite what they say publicly) and it shows on the field with another in a long, long line of listless performances. He has no pocket presence, and he basically sucks. It was a big kick in the ***s to watch Carr get benched and the guy who should have been replacing him playing QB for the Titans, of all teams.
We're idiots because David Carr is the face of our franchise. He's a nice guy, but he's not a winner nor a very good QB. Would any of you ever feel comfortable or confident with Carr as your QB if you needed a two-minute drive for a go-ahead TD? I'd feel way more confident with Vince, even as a rookie. We're idiots because we needed a new face for our franchise, and now that guy will stomp all over us for the next 15 years while we go into next season's draft looking for a QB we can groom behind Sage Rosenfels.
We're idiots because David Carr is the face of our franchise. He's a nice guy, but he's not a winner nor a very good QB. Would any of you ever feel comfortable or confident with Carr as your QB if you needed a two-minute drive for a go-ahead TD? I'd feel way more confident with Vince, even as a rookie. We're idiots because we needed a new face for our franchise, and now that guy will stomp all over us for the next 15 years while we go into next season's draft looking for a QB we can groom behind Sage Rosenfels.
Like this one?Bri said:
The only articles I can find are speculation, rumors or draft pundits saying the #1 pick should draw lots of offers. I distinctly remember rumors about the Jets possibly trading up, but nothing concrete ever came out. I know I dreamt about the Jets trading us Abraham and their #4 on many an occasion and certainly posted it in a few threads before he went to the Falcons. If there had been any serious offers to make it out in the media we would know about them because they would of been further ammo to make fun of the Texans back in early May.It's no secret the Texans wanted to trade down. What we'll likely never know is whether their price was too high and no one wanted to pay it or whether their price was fine and no one thought well enough of Reggie to move up. (It was likely a little of both.)
FWIW: I wanted us to take D'Brick well over a year ago while he was still playing for Virginia. Looks like the threads were pruned in Shick's big cleanup, otherwise I would link them.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Just to play devil's advocate, I don't think there's a defensive end - or possibly any other player in the NFL - that, say, the Chargers would trade LaDainian Tomlinson for. Now I don't think Bush is as good as Tomlinson, and I don't think he will be, but I can understand the thinking of those who would say that since they assume Bush will be as good as Tomlinson, then there are in fact few if any players that would be as or more valuable on the field.redman said:
a_rackowski
Footballguy
DEs take years to develop. The Texans were not going to make the playoffs this season with or without Reggie Bush. It is way too early to make a decision on who was right.
I am in the camp that thinks Mario Williams has a better chance of being one of the great DLs of our time, than Reggie Bush has of being one of the great RBs.
I think Reggie Bush has a better chance of being a closer player to Kevin Faulk than Mario Williams does of being Steve Emtman.
I am in the camp that thinks Mario Williams has a better chance of being one of the great DLs of our time, than Reggie Bush has of being one of the great RBs.
I think Reggie Bush has a better chance of being a closer player to Kevin Faulk than Mario Williams does of being Steve Emtman.
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Good post.
redman
Footballguy
You and I are probably in agreement on that, but that's more because LT is IMHO the best RB in the league right now and is earning his way into the pantheon of all time great Hall of Fame RB's. He's been mentioned - rightly so - in some peoples' lists in the greatest RB of all time thread. If you note, though, I simply was talking about your more run-of-the-mill All Pro, if you will. If I could choose between a 25-year old Michael Strahan and a 25-year old Shawn Alexander, Tiki Barber, Larry Johnson, Rudi Johnson, Stephen Jackson, Ahman Green or Curtis Martin, I'd take Strahan over any of those guys.
I did post all the facts after requested and am not too concerned with your view of credibility. Considering there are plenty of Bush threads here discussing his value in PPR vs standard formats I think it is well known that Bush is catching a lot of passes but his ypr is not great.And I guess you didn't see this part of the initial post:Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
"Bush also gets more chances in the passing game (mainly because he can't run), yet these other backs are still outscoring him."
Again, reading is fundamental.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Completely understood and agreed with, and I'd even go further and say I'd value any lineman (except perhaps center) of comparable value/prowess and age to a running back. I was just trying to work from the perspective of those (and they are and were out there) that feel Bush will be the next greatest NFL running back. I am not one such, but I do try and examine things from all the angles. From that perspective (and assuming that Mario won't be the next greates NFL DE), it would seem the Texans made a really bad decision.As I said before I don't think they did, especially when considered from a whole team/long term future perspective.
Go sharpen your crayons and draw some pictures of the sky in your world. Learn how to present an argument properly before making an ### of yourself.I did post all the facts after requested and am not too concerned with your view of credibility. Considering there are plenty of Bush threads here discussing his value in PPR vs standard formats I think it is well known that Bush is catching a lot of passes but his ypr is not great.And I guess you didn't see this part of the initial post:Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
"Bush also gets more chances in the passing game (mainly because he can't run), yet these other backs are still outscoring him."
Again, reading is fundamental.
Sorry for making an ### out of myself. Monkeysee, monkey do....Go sharpen your crayons and draw some pictures of the sky in your world. Learn how to present an argument properly before making an ### of yourself.I did post all the facts after requested and am not too concerned with your view of credibility. Considering there are plenty of Bush threads here discussing his value in PPR vs standard formats I think it is well known that Bush is catching a lot of passes but his ypr is not great.And I guess you didn't see this part of the initial post:Capella said:why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown?
"Bush also gets more chances in the passing game (mainly because he can't run), yet these other backs are still outscoring him."
Again, reading is fundamental.
redman
Footballguy
Again we're in agreement. I think it's extremely difficult to project any 22-year old rookie's NFL fortunes. If someone was only advocating the drafting of Bush #1 overall because they were predicting he'd be an all-time great player, then that's foolish. I've said all along about Bush that he's either the next Eric Metcalf or the next Marshall Faulk, or anything in between.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I agree. It’s an old cliché but it is still holds true - the game is won and lost in the trenches. I suggest that much more idiotic decisions were made by Detroit and Oakland when they passed on Lienart.
dparker713
Footballguy
I dont understand how Williams is getting a pass in this thread. Have any of you watched the Texans' games? Because his performance has been poor. His sacks have all been coverage sacks, and he hasn't provided any sort of consistent pass rush. Top that off he's not played the run particularly well either. He's not Strahan, he's not Peppers, he very well could be Entman.
The Texans are idiots for this pick for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the play of Williams. Frankly, the pick should have been Young or Bush. They screwed that up when they picked up Carr's option and then screwed up even further by making a pick out of left field. If Bush came in and didn't perform, then the franchise would get a pass in alot of ways. When Williams proves to be an average player, they'll have made a gigantic marketing blunder that the franchise will need to work hard to repair. If Bush is more Kevin then Marshall Faulk, those are the breaks. If Williams is just and average player and not a Strahan, then the Texans are the biggest idiots in the history of football.
Casserly merely tried to correct the major mistake of taking Carr over Peppers, and by doing so he put the future of the franchise's popularity on the line.
The Texans are idiots for this pick for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the play of Williams. Frankly, the pick should have been Young or Bush. They screwed that up when they picked up Carr's option and then screwed up even further by making a pick out of left field. If Bush came in and didn't perform, then the franchise would get a pass in alot of ways. When Williams proves to be an average player, they'll have made a gigantic marketing blunder that the franchise will need to work hard to repair. If Bush is more Kevin then Marshall Faulk, those are the breaks. If Williams is just and average player and not a Strahan, then the Texans are the biggest idiots in the history of football.
Casserly merely tried to correct the major mistake of taking Carr over Peppers, and by doing so he put the future of the franchise's popularity on the line.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Casserly's lame duck a## had nothing to do with Mario williams, whether people want to believe it or not this was a Kubiak/McNair call as was option on Carr (specifically McNair). From everything I understand something happened behind the scenes with Reggie Bush. Since I get this part about 8th hand, it has not been clear whether it was during the onsite visit or when dealing with house thing in California, but somewhere in that time frame the Texans soured on Bush as a person, not as a football player. Before that time the team all indications are that the Texans were legitimately debating between the two,, but most people (including myself and Mario's agent) thought this was all BS.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
There is a large difference between "offers" and deals. I make multiple offers in each of my leagues to other owners, but very few (if any) are "deals" for the other ownersBri said:
Williams sucked donkey balls in the first 3 games but he has been solid since then (for a rookie). His sack in the Titans game was definately not a coverage sack. VY was about to pass and Mario jumped up in the air to stop him from throwing, and when VY started to scramble Mario came back down and chased him down before he got to the line of scrimmage. That isn't a coverage sack.Why does Bush get a pass if he doesn't perform? Failed production is faled production, no matter who the player is (or how hyped that player is). So if the Texans decide that Bush won't be all-world and don't pick him, and Bush isn't all world, they are still somehow idiots because they rolled the dice that he wouldn't be all world and were right about it?
