The Cardinals are now a JV team (1 Viewer)

From the Arizona Republic:

James, in his eighth season, came to the Valley with a reputation as a solid pass protector. He was also known as a decent receiver out of the backfield, but Green has gone more to Marcel Shipp and Obafemi Ayanbadejo in passing situations because he wants to "have a role for everybody."

Given the pathetic state of the Cardinals offensive line, it is possible to justify Green abandoning the running game entirely, especially versus a stout run defense such as the Vikings. But his decision to favor using Shipp and Ayanbadejo in the passing game over Edge is truly befuddling.

Edge excels with the ball in space, reading his holes (which haven't been there this year) or catching the ball in the flat. It is truly inexcusable that Green would not use an asset such as Edge in one of the ways he is best suited for, especially when Shipp and Ayanbadejo are the other options.

As for those who this Edge has "lost it", I would argue that even a step slower, breaking down Edge is a better option than a healthy Shipp or Ayanbadejo.

The Vikings.... or the Cardinals?

Uhhh...u mean Cardinals, right?

Avery said:

From the Arizona Republic:

James, in his eighth season, came to the Valley with a reputation as a solid pass protector. He was also known as a decent receiver out of the backfield, but Green has gone more to Marcel Shipp and Obafemi Ayanbadejo in passing situations because he wants to "have a role for everybody."

Given the pathetic state of the Cardinals offensive line, it is possible to justify Green abandoning the running game entirely, especially versus a stout run defense such as the Vikings. But his decision to favor using Shipp and Ayanbadejo in the passing game over Edge is truly befuddling.

Edge excels with the ball in space, reading his holes (which haven't been there this year) or catching the ball in the flat. It is truly inexcusable that Green would not use an asset such as Edge in one of the ways he is best suited for, especially when Shipp and Ayanbadejo are the other options.

As for those who this Edge has "lost it", I would argue that even a step slower, breaking down Edge is a better option than a healthy Shipp or Ayanbadejo.

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SKribbles said:

The Vikings.... or the Cardinals?

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Edited to fix screwup up title

BustedKnuckles said:

Avery said:

From the Arizona Republic:

James, in his eighth season, came to the Valley with a reputation as a solid pass protector. He was also known as a decent receiver out of the backfield, but Green has gone more to Marcel Shipp and Obafemi Ayanbadejo in passing situations because he wants to "have a role for everybody."

Given the pathetic state of the Cardinals offensive line, it is possible to justify Green abandoning the running game entirely, especially versus a stout run defense such as the Vikings. But his decision to favor using Shipp and Ayanbadejo in the passing game over Edge is truly befuddling.

Edge excels with the ball in space, reading his holes (which haven't been there this year) or catching the ball in the flat. It is truly inexcusable that Green would not use an asset such as Edge in one of the ways he is best suited for, especially when Shipp and Ayanbadejo are the other options.

As for those who this Edge has "lost it", I would argue that even a step slower, breaking down Edge is a better option than a healthy Shipp or Ayanbadejo.

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Really?Aside from my typing "Vikings" when I meant "Cardinials" in my initial title I thought I was making a coherent point.

Perhaps not...

It's possible that this is Denny Green putting a friendly gloss on things. I have many problems w/ Green as a HC but underutilizing his studs is not one of them.

This season has just killed Edge's reputation as an NFL player. The guy joins JJ Arrington's team and gets replaced w/ unheralded Joseph Addai.

12 games later, Edge looks like the next JJ Arrington and Joseph Addai looks like the next Edgerrin James.

Goes to show: sometimes it really is the system.

The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:

It's possible that this is Denny Green putting a friendly gloss on things. I have many problems w/ Green as a HC but underutilizing his studs is not one of them.This season has just killed Edge's reputation as an NFL player. The guy joins JJ Arrington's team and gets replaced w/ unheralded Joseph Addai.12 games later, Edge looks like the next JJ Arrington and Joseph Addai looks like the next Edgerrin James.Goes to show: sometimes it really is the system.

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The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:

It's possible that this is Denny Green putting a friendly gloss on things. I have many problems w/ Green as a HC but underutilizing his studs is not one of them.

This season has just killed Edge's reputation as an NFL player. The guy joins JJ Arrington's team and gets replaced w/ unheralded Joseph Addai.

12 games later, Edge looks like the next JJ Arrington and Joseph Addai looks like the next Edgerrin James.

Goes to show: sometimes it really is the system.

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I guess that depends on whether you believe that Edge is a stud being wasted behind a horrid offensive line and misused/underutilized in the passing game or he is merely a product of the Indy system.Since both theories would yield the same results (poor production) it seems to be conjecture and opinion until Edge gets a shot behind a solid offensive line again.

Avery said:

The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:

It's possible that this is Denny Green putting a friendly gloss on things. I have many problems w/ Green as a HC but underutilizing his studs is not one of them.

This season has just killed Edge's reputation as an NFL player. The guy joins JJ Arrington's team and gets replaced w/ unheralded Joseph Addai.

12 games later, Edge looks like the next JJ Arrington and Joseph Addai looks like the next Edgerrin James.

Goes to show: sometimes it really is the system.

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I guess that depends on whether you believe that Edge is a stud being wasted behind a horrid offensive line and misused/underutilized in the passing game or he is merely a product of the Indy system.Since both theories would yield the same results (poor production) it seems to be conjecture and opinion until Edge gets a shot behind a solid offensive line again.

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I don't think he's merely a product of the Indy system (he was sweet in college), but I think it was clearly more important than we realized.I was referring more to Green's heavy utilization of Boldin, Fitz, Moss, Robert Smith, etc. When he has studs he uses them heavily; he's no Mooch.

Edge is stuck behind a horrid line but that isn't really a matter of Green underutilizing him; that's just a function of the players on the roster.

Edge is on pace for roughly the same number of receptions has he's had in prior years. Even the rushes aren't down all that much. It's just that he's doing nothing with his opportunities.

Shipp and Ayanbadejo have a combined total of 5 carries and 11 receptions on the season. Arrington adds an additional 6 carries and 6 receptions. That leaves Edge with 226 carries out of 237, and 33 receptions out of 50. That's a greater percentage of his team's RB touches than Tomlinson or Larry Johnson are getting; the original article is simply uninformed.

CalBear said:

Shipp and Ayanbadejo have a combined total of 5 carries and 11 receptions on the season. Arrington adds an additional 6 carries and 6 receptions. That leaves Edge with 226 carries out of 237, and 33 receptions out of 50. That's a greater percentage of his team's RB touches than Tomlinson or Larry Johnson are getting; the original article is simply uninformed.

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I am a season ticket holder and I can tell you that Edge is a step slower for 4 reasons; some due to age, and some due his heavy wallet, and some due to the poor line, and some due to the fact that they are 2-9.

Go ahead and assign whatever percentage you want to the 4 items, but the fact is Green is an average coach. I did not like the hire from day one, and everyone I talk to knows it. He is an arrogant man with a large ego (see Pete Kendall), and the system he has been trying to put into place has not worked.

I know everyone talks about the Bidwells, etc, and that is part of the issue as well, but Green is not a mastermind at anything but making himself heard, and he has some talent scout skills, but that is it. The Bidwells spent some money on Edge and drafted Leinhart--I will not give Denny credit for this, anyone in the Cards position would have taken Leinhart with that core of WR and a 50 year old broken down QB. What the Bidwells need to do , and I have said this before as well, is spend some money on good assistant coaches.

Hell teams like the Lions hire Martz as their OC, the Bidwell's need to do the same.

Hopefully we fire Green, spend alot of the Univ of Phoenix money on an offensive line, and a solid linebacker, and get a coaching staff with some ingenuity for this talented offense.

If Green is here next year, we will be lucky to win 5 games, players do not play hard for him anymore, his time is past.

The Cardinals are now a JV team??? What were they BEFORE?

(Sorry... there's not many teams left I can make fun of.)

The Scorpion said:

Hell teams like the Lions hire Martz as their OC, the Bidwell's need to do the same.

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So they can be 2-9 like the Lions?

Edge blew town, too. He wasn't at practice Monday, and there was talk about it amongst the players in the locker room (Per one local reporter, a defensive player walked into the locker room, looked at him, and asked "Where's 32? You see him out there today?"). ETA: That conversation was followed by the reporter asking Shipp where Edge was. Shipp looked at Ayanbadejo and asked, "Hey 'Femi, you seen Edge?" Obafemi replied with, "Yeah, I think he just left."

Once the media ran with it, the Cardinals' official stance was that he was visiting a sick relative in Miami. Maybe, but the timing is certainly curious given he was basically benched Sunday and his teammates seemed to be questioning/covering his absence.

Here you go.

BustedKnuckles said:

Avery said:

From the Arizona Republic:

James, in his eighth season, came to the Valley with a reputation as a solid pass protector. He was also known as a decent receiver out of the backfield, but Green has gone more to Marcel Shipp and Obafemi Ayanbadejo in passing situations because he wants to "have a role for everybody."

Given the pathetic state of the Cardinals offensive line, it is possible to justify Green abandoning the running game entirely, especially versus a stout run defense such as the Vikings. But his decision to favor using Shipp and Ayanbadejo in the passing game over Edge is truly befuddling.

Edge excels with the ball in space, reading his holes (which haven't been there this year) or catching the ball in the flat. It is truly inexcusable that Green would not use an asset such as Edge in one of the ways he is best suited for, especially when Shipp and Ayanbadejo are the other options.

As for those who this Edge has "lost it", I would argue that even a step slower, breaking down Edge is a better option than a healthy Shipp or Ayanbadejo.

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I'm sorry...what was that again? I'm distracted by your avatar ...WTF?!?!