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Sidney Rice Sidney Rice Sidney RiceLooking into 2007,what can we expectfrom the incoming WR draft classfrom a dynasty perspective ?Calvin Johnson GTTeddy Ginn OSUDwayne Jarrett USCJeff Samardzija NDDwayne Bowe LSUdiscuss
Definitely one of the guys in the 2nd tier that I want to see more of. I didnt list him because I havent seen enough to form an opinion.Aundre Allison, East Carolina
He said he's staying. We'll see if he's a man of his word.
linkRICE STAYING PUT: WR Sidney Rice, a redshirt sophomore and Gaffney native, said after Saturday's loss to Florida that he will indeed stay at South Carolina next season and wait to enter the NFL Draft.
Johnson said he's returning for 2007? I have not seen this. He'd be nuts to come back. Johnson is a surefire top 10 pick (if not top 5 or top 3 - I'd even take him #1 if WR was a big need)
or maybe a guy that takes a couple of years to develop. It seems like early he won't be able to do very much that his raw speed won't allow him to do, but route running, improving hands and gaining strength are things that many WRs need to do. The problem for him is that whatever team he goes to may want too much too fast. Calvin Johnson- While I think he did not have a good QB, talented surrounding players and plaued in what seemed to be a somewhat conservative offense, he was shut out at times. I think he has the total package, but during the pre-draft season want to figure out if it was mostly everyone else's fault or is there something in his game which allowed for the lack of production.guy will be a bust
valid theory, though like you alluded to, that's fine for a 4th - 6th round pick, but not for a late first rounder (is that his last projection?)or maybe a guy that takes a couple of years to develop. It seems like early he won't be able to do very much that his raw speed won't allow him to do, but route running, improving hands and gaining strength are things that many WRs need to do. The problem for him is that whatever team he goes to may want too much too fast.
Impressive, although against one of the worst passdefenses in Div 1 football.... Kansas gave up close to 300
I have seen him as high as top 10-15. A player who I think has had the same problem is Troy williamson with the Vikings. He had raw straightline speed, but really was not devloped enough a WR for his draft position. He did nothing as a rookie, has shown the ability to get open in his 2nd year, but still has inconsistent (being nice)hands. Honestly, i think Ginn is a more developed player at this point than Williamson, but his immediate impact is likely to disappoint. A player I have seen Ginn compared, Steve Smith, had a couple of years to develop because he was a 3rd rounder thought to be a better kick returner than WR.valid theory, though like you alluded to, that's fine for a 4th - 6th round pick, but not for a late first rounder (is that his last projection?)or maybe a guy that takes a couple of years to develop. It seems like early he won't be able to do very much that his raw speed won't allow him to do, but route running, improving hands and gaining strength are things that many WRs need to do. The problem for him is that whatever team he goes to may want too much too fast.
I have seen him as high as top 10-15. A player who I think has had the same problem is Troy williamson with the Vikings. He had raw straightline speed, but really was not devloped enough a WR for his draft position. He did nothing as a rookie, has shown the ability to get open in his 2nd year, but still has inconsistent (being nice)hands. Honestly, i think Ginn is a more developed player at this point than Williamson, but his immediate impact is likely to disappoint. A player I have seen Ginn compared, Steve Smith, had a couple of years to develop because he was a 3rd rounder thought to be a better kick returner than WR.valid theory, though like you alluded to, that's fine for a 4th - 6th round pick, but not for a late first rounder (is that his last projection?)or maybe a guy that takes a couple of years to develop. It seems like early he won't be able to do very much that his raw speed won't allow him to do, but route running, improving hands and gaining strength are things that many WRs need to do. The problem for him is that whatever team he goes to may want too much too fast.
To compare him to Williamson is basically to say he can't catch. Williamson has shown more than straightline speed, he can run routes and do everything else, he just catch flipping catch the ball. I don't think Ginn will have this problem--his issue will be how effective he will be getting off jams, and getting open on intermediate stuff.
No my point, was that they were flawed WRs with great straighline speed who will be drafted too high for the development that they needed. Just like they have different physical bodies, they have different flaws, but may neeed more time than the draft position will grant them.I have seen him as high as top 10-15. A player who I think has had the same problem is Troy williamson with the Vikings. He had raw straightline speed, but really was not devloped enough a WR for his draft position. He did nothing as a rookie, has shown the ability to get open in his 2nd year, but still has inconsistent (being nice)hands. Honestly, i think Ginn is a more developed player at this point than Williamson, but his immediate impact is likely to disappoint. A player I have seen Ginn compared, Steve Smith, had a couple of years to develop because he was a 3rd rounder thought to be a better kick returner than WR.valid theory, though like you alluded to, that's fine for a 4th - 6th round pick, but not for a late first rounder (is that his last projection?)or maybe a guy that takes a couple of years to develop. It seems like early he won't be able to do very much that his raw speed won't allow him to do, but route running, improving hands and gaining strength are things that many WRs need to do. The problem for him is that whatever team he goes to may want too much too fast.
Wow, that's in the Rashaun Woods stratasphere. j/k it just made me think of Woods, I'm by no means comparing them.
I heard Marshall faulk address Rogers after one of those fluff pieces on NFLN early in the season. Paraphrasing Faulk: he said that there are questions about Rogers work ethic and substance abuse problems. In Faulk's experience teams will take a chance on a player if there is an issue with one or the other, but not both.
I've heard "whispers" that for whatever reason, Rogers is no longer fast. Somehow he lost his burst.
I know that is funny. And, Woods' little brother, D'Juan, is the WR on the other side from Bowman. I think one big difference between RWoods and Bowman is that Woods was a highly regardled local product who chose OSU over OU. But, Bowman, was a VERY highly recruit WR nationally coming out of high school before going to UNC for 2 years. In addition, Woods used his size in college because he could not get separation. Bowman gets separation.And, before anyone wonders why Bloom would suggest a JR transfer might leave OSU after one year, there was an article in the local Oklahoma paper that suggested that Bowman might leave school if he has a good year. The article was dated April 24. Also, he lit it up in the summer practice. That is when I first realized how good this kid really is.BigJim® said:
I like your lists and can tell you put some time into getting to know the talent. I'm tweaking my reciever list this weekend. I think top 10-12 is fine at RB and QB this year. That's probably all that will be drafted, but I think it's smart to look 20+ deep at WR. That said, I'm almost positive Mike Walker will be drafted. Felt the same way about Hank Baskett last year though. So who knows, but I can't keep out of my top 15. Also, I think Bloom is right about Rhema being too underrated. Finally, I don't care for Paul Williams. I know he's had some great moments in college, but I don't think it translates.
Nice list. Paul Williams is an interesting prospect. High amount of talent, but hasn't really lived up to it. Spent most of this year hurt (and Tom Brandstater was too god awful to give Williams the chance to do anything when he was healthy). He also has maybe a little over 1,000 receiving yards in his 4-year career.He may be the WR whose stock is most dependent on the combines (could see his stock rise if puts on a good performance there).
This is the toughest position to rank. We've all seen just as much as we're going to see of these players on the field.Alot depends on the combine now.You'll see guys rocket up the WR draft board based on combines and workouts because NFL teams think even if the WR doesn't have great routerunning abilty or hands that at least that aspect can be taught. (See Greg Jennings, Troy Williamson in previous years)That's why in some regards, this list has alot of guys that maybe aren't as productive, but are super athletic and have great measurables
This is why I like Bowman. He is a very big WR with good playing speed. The thing abot the bigger WRs is how they run the 40 at the combine. We see it each year how a guy will skyrocket, or drop, because of the 40 time. He may have good playing speed but too much (imo) emphasis is placed on the 40 time.If Bowman runs a good time, watch out. Not that this is 100% accurate, but Bowman is listed at 6'4", 220 lbs. Other WRs I like that are underrated are:Monk: since his QB is not a very good throwing QB, we do not get a very good gauge of how great Monk can be.Higgins: His speed will carry him. I wish he was a little bigger. Caldwell and Baker (UF): Each brings something to the table. I think each could be good NFL WRs. Baker's size will be a big plus for him and he is underrated, imo.I am not a fan of D'Juan Woods. He is a low end college possession WR. I think Gonzalez is much better, but neither should be that good of fantasy WR.Ron_Mexico said:
I had top 20 Rookie WRs ranked before the draft... some didn't even get drafted.Colston wasn't even on the list.
Hmm.....the irony here is that if the season ended today, I believe the Detroit Lions would be selecting #1 OA in the 2007 Draft. Let's hope Johnson isn't sentenced to "go to.....Dee-Twoit" (a fist full of yen movie reference).
Arizona should probably be picking in the Top 5 in the draft too, and they don't need another WR. Oakland will be in the top five, and they've almost got TOO many WRs (though Johnson might allow them to clean-house and start fresh a bit). Houston? Cleveland? Tampa Bay? Johnson would look nice for all three of those squads, though "Johnson&Johnson" in Houston would probably be the most intriguing.I agree though, Johnson is likely "the" WR to target in the top-half of the first round come April. We'll see how everything goes.
The plus side about Allison's lack of looks this year and the conservative O probly got them to the bowl game.Now we all get to see this guy, most of us for the first time.
Colston and Jennings, probably the two best WRs in that draft, were the only two "regularly ranked" WRs I didn't get to see play in college. I try not to talk/write much about players I haven't carefully watched. I did check out all the highlight vids I could find. I asked a bunch of questions about them both. I got a lot of feedback on Jennings and ended up ranking him 4th based on faith in other opinions. I got very little feedback on Colston, but as I recall it was all positive, and I did have him in my top 20 (between 16 and 20)) based on size and measureables. I know Scott Wright over at NFL DC had Colston in his top 8-12 for several weeks leading up to the draft.I had top 20 Rookie WRs ranked before the draft... some didn't even get drafted.Colston wasn't even on the list.
As usual... we agree about the TON of names to check out closer and AGREE big time on Higgins. So here's my current loose rankings with brief comments. I am excluding Rice, Meachem, Monk, Urrutia, Gonzo (all excellent) and some other capable underclassmen who may enter. Just three or four of them could take this already excellent class completely off the charts.
Worried about USC track records and listing a Florida underclassman #2 in the land??
Doesn't make sense, but okay. Anyway, Reche's brother. Tell me more. I'm pretty familiar with him. Great speed, good athlete, decent hands, shakey routes, broke his leg, broke his hand, is finally full speed and lit up the Noles who were preoccupied with Baker. I like him for next year. He would be kookoo to toss his name in the hat with this crowd, but he may want to. He needs a big year next year... in college, imo. Also, Gator fans have had a mad love for this guy I never understood. Are you a Gator fan?
I'm not sure Jennings falls into this category, unless I'm misunderstanding. He didn't blaze a forty. The reason he was drafted was because of his route running and hands, not despite of it. Just not sure on the connection you're trying to make.http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/proday.html
exactly how fast is this guy? any numbers on him? for some reason, to me, he looks slower than most of the other "names". consequently, he isn't a a true #1WR in the NFL. he's got the hands and size but does he have the speed?ETA: i saw somewhere on ESPN that lists his 40 at 4.52, fwiw...
