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I am not so sure about that.The way I remember Fosters contract being stuctured he is not very expensive to keep and Carolina may still want 2 Rbs. I do think DeAngelo is the better Rb. We may continue to see RBBC into next year however.
Looks like a HEFTY bump next year
hmm true true
I was under the impression that this is basically a one year contract, but in any case if he's not the starter by beginning of next year's training camp he will be cut.
I agree, and if Williams is as good as I think he is, I don't think he'll have any problem earning the confidence of the staff towards the end of this season -- leaving Deshaun Dejobbed.
Williams tops 100 in win Published Sun Nov 19 5:42:00 p.m. ET 2006 (Rotoworld) DeAngelo Williams rushed for 114 yards on 20 carries and caught two passes for 24 yards in a Week 11 win over St. Louis.
Tried to tell you guys that the Panthers running attack is NOT good. DWill put up 17 for 63 and a paltry 3.7avg. He did have several catches which ups his total yds to 86. He did have several good runs, but then he also pulled a lot of the "run up to the line, dance 2 steps, go down". I still think he'll be a good back, but for the guys who were expecting 100+ rushing yards and a couple td's, I think you're reaching. He's also having touches taken by Goings, Hoover, and of all people, Shelton (never thought I'd see him running the ball, guess he11 must've frozen over). Expect to see alot of Foster and Williams the rest of the year. Each will probably have a better game than the other off and on. I also expect to see more Goings, Hoover, and Shelton (god I can't believe I'm saying that). RBBC for the rest of the year, even if someone is out for the rest of the season.Before we go an annoint DWill the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders, the Panthers as a whole ran all over ST. Louis for 245 yards. I think they all looked pretty well. However I will say that DWill looked the best of them all. He was patient and hit the holes hard when they opened. Let's see how the rest of the season goes. FYI... I'm a Panthers homer. This is the best they've run all year. Right now, it's just that they played the RAMS. If they continue to run they way they did, then maybe I'll change my though process.Foster's Week 11 totals:
9 for 63, 0 touchdowns
0 receptions
1 fumble (recovered)
At least he had a good YPC this week.
Notably, Deangelo Williams did the following:
20 for 114
2 rec. for 24 yards
Yeah, with his horrible performance, I'm surprised the Panthers don't just cut him now. What a bum that DWill is.HOOOO-WEEE! D-Will sure put up some sweet numbers today! Thus proving that he is far and away much better and more productive than Foster. He's good for 1,000 total yards and 14 TD's from this point on for the rest of the year. MARK IT DOWN!
Yeah, with his horrible performance, I'm surprised the Panthers don't just cut him now. What a bum that DWill is.HOOOO-WEEE! D-Will sure put up some sweet numbers today! Thus proving that he is far and away much better and more productive than Foster. He's good for 1,000 total yards and 14 TD's from this point on for the rest of the year. MARK IT DOWN!
The point of this thread wasn't how good Williams is (though I do agree with many that he will be a much better NFL back than Foster), but to show how mediocre-to-bad Foster is. Are you disputing this?HOOOO-WEEE! D-Will sure put up some sweet numbers today! Thus proving that he is far and away much better and more productive than Foster. He's good for 1,000 total yards and 14 TD's from this point on for the rest of the year. MARK IT DOWN!
What I am saying is Foster isn't as bad as everyone thinks. So, what excuse are you making for Williams not thrashing that terrible Redskins run defense? What is obvious to me is that the Panthers O-line is disgusting and they abandon the run too early/often. I didn't see anything that made me believe Williams is that much better than Foster. I did notice that the more carries Williams got...the more his average went down. Does this show that he can't carry the load full-time and is better suited as a situational back at this point in time?The point of this thread wasn't how good Williams is (though I do agree with many that he will be a much better NFL back than Foster), but to show how mediocre-to-bad Foster is. Are you disputing this?HOOOO-WEEE! D-Will sure put up some sweet numbers today! Thus proving that he is far and away much better and more productive than Foster. He's good for 1,000 total yards and 14 TD's from this point on for the rest of the year. MARK IT DOWN!
Based on what, the fact that he's been just barely mediocre over his 6 year NFL career?At what point do we abandon the notion that he's really good? All I've got to work with is several years' worth of very unimpressive numbers, and finally, his big breakout year, here it is, where it is going to get all those TDs that Davis used to get, and he is going to shine and be a top 10 RB. Guy is barely clinging to a spot somewhere around RB30 in a league that has 32 teams and lots of RBBC schemes.I can't believe people are still arguing the point here...
Probably when a RB can consistently produce better than D Foster has behind the same 2006 CAR O-line and under the same 2006 CAR playcalling system. I won't be real surprised if D Williams is able to do so later this year, but I just haven't seen it yet. You know what I mean? He did great in the STL game, but so did Foster until he got hurt ...I guess, at this point, I think the CAR running game problem runs a bit deeper than who is carrying the ball. I'm focusing here on the 2006 season.
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I think until there is an effective RB in Carolina behind the same/similiar O-line you will have trouble arguing either for or against how mediocre Foster is. O-line and scheme does not get enough credit for making some of the below average RB's look better than they are and similiarly some of the mediocre backs worst then they are. There are obvious exceptions to the rule with special talent and find ways to produce like LT, LJ, and Mcgahee but good/mediocre RB's can't produce with bad o-lines. See E. James, Lewis etc.
I'll agree with this.
injured
Redraft? Yes.Do I think DeAngelo's better to have - both in redraft and dynasty? Most definitely.
And you'd start him over what exactly?I can envision a scenario where I would start Foster. If all of the players on my roster went on IR, and the commish of my league thought it would be funny to replace one of the IR guys on my roster with a bag of dog poo, complete with a picture of a bag of dog poo as my team logo, and my choice that given week happened to be between starting Deshaun Foster and starting the bag of dog poo, and if there was money on the line, then, and only then, would it be good to have Deshaun Foster on my team.
So next week then?
You asked if he's a good guy to have on your roster - he clearly is.If DeAngelo pulls a hammy next week in the first Q., Foster = borderline RB2 once again. So, Foster's a good person to have on your fantasy team.And you'd start him over what exactly?I can envision a scenario where I would start Foster. If all of the players on my roster went on IR, and the commish of my league thought it would be funny to replace one of the IR guys on my roster with a bag of dog poo, complete with a picture of a bag of dog poo as my team logo, and my choice that given week happened to be between starting Deshaun Foster and starting the bag of dog poo, and if there was money on the line, then, and only then, would it be good to have Deshaun Foster on my team.
Otherwise?
RKMoney> Hi
Here's your problem. He isn't, and never was, a borderling RB2. Before his injury he was something like RB29? Most leagues don't go 16 teams deep. In a 10 or 12 team league, he is an RB3 -- and if you're counting on him for anything, you're in serious trouble.You asked if he's a good guy to have on your roster - he clearly is.If DeAngelo pulls a hammy next week in the first Q., Foster = borderline RB2 once again. So, Foster's a good person to have on your fantasy team.And you'd start him over what exactly?I can envision a scenario where I would start Foster. If all of the players on my roster went on IR, and the commish of my league thought it would be funny to replace one of the IR guys on my roster with a bag of dog poo, complete with a picture of a bag of dog poo as my team logo, and my choice that given week happened to be between starting Deshaun Foster and starting the bag of dog poo, and if there was money on the line, then, and only then, would it be good to have Deshaun Foster on my team.
Otherwise?
Are you advocating cutting him to the wire right before the FF playoffs?
Good draft pick, GB.RighettiRule #1: Draft the guy behind Deshaun Foster.DeAngelo's 2nd start was a better game than any of the 10 games that DeShaun started this season...24 total touches for 175 yards and a TD 23 fantasy points
he has put up about 5 duds this year in the 10 games he played..... he had exactly one "big" game where he had 105 yards rushing and a TD plus 7 yards receiving .. i like my RB2's to do more than thatHere's your problem. He isn't, and never was, a borderling RB2. Before his injury he was something like RB29? Most leagues don't go 16 teams deep. In a 10 or 12 team league, he is an RB3 -- and if you're counting on him for anything, you're in serious trouble.You asked if he's a good guy to have on your roster - he clearly is.If DeAngelo pulls a hammy next week in the first Q., Foster = borderline RB2 once again. So, Foster's a good person to have on your fantasy team.And you'd start him over what exactly?I can envision a scenario where I would start Foster. If all of the players on my roster went on IR, and the commish of my league thought it would be funny to replace one of the IR guys on my roster with a bag of dog poo, complete with a picture of a bag of dog poo as my team logo, and my choice that given week happened to be between starting Deshaun Foster and starting the bag of dog poo, and if there was money on the line, then, and only then, would it be good to have Deshaun Foster on my team.
Otherwise?
Are you advocating cutting him to the wire right before the FF playoffs?
I like mine to be better than that as well - but we aren't all fortunate enough to have remarkable depth at RB, especially if our first round pick was someone like Shawn Alexander, Lamont or Edge. Under our scoring, he had 3 games of 10 or more, and then 4 games of 7-9 points. Not great numbers, but not useless. The rest of his games were total duds.Many folks were forced to start Foster this year at RB2 - and he is a borderline RB2 in a 12-team league if he is RB30 or up. Would he be an "average/starting quality" RB2? Of course not - in a 12-team league he'd have to be RB18 or up to be that and have some more double digit games.
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Please stop sending me nasty PMs - *I* did not close this thread.cracKer or Aaron probably did.cracKer said:
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