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The only QB in my leagues to get double digit fantasy points (1 Viewer)

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Michael Vick? Everyone's favorite whipping boy is putting together a superb fantasy season. His running has certainly helped him this year, but he's always had that and he's never been this consistent for fantasy purposes. Peyton Manning is pretty close, but in my leagues he's got 1 single digit scoring game (week 12). Is this the start of a trend of top 5 finishes for Vick or is this like the Aaron Brooks stat from a few years back when he was one of the only QBs to put up double digit points each week?

 
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Vick is going to set a record in QB rushing yards, and he had some career passing games in the middle of the season (PIT, CIN). I see no reason to expect this to change. He is just entering his prime physical years.

 
to be honest i haven't watched many ATL but the highlights have showed Vick throwing some beautiful passes especially down the middle. is this just the good highlights or is he throwing better?

 
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to be honest i haven't watched many ATL but the highlights have showed Vick throwing some beautiful passes especially down the middle. is this just the good highlights or is he throwing better?
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I've watched about 6 of his games.I can honestly say that if he had decent receivers, I think he'd average 220 yards passing and have about 6 more TD's...to go along with his 77 yards rushing a game.Not passing stats that are going to put him at the top of the board, but he should be a top 15 passer as far as yardage goes.
 
But Vick is so injury prone and so inconsistent because he runs :unsure:

That's what all the naysayers say despite that the stats have always shown differently. Vick hasnt been injured more than the average QB, and he's been a fantasy stud in games he's played the entirety throughout his career.

Vick and Palmer were both #1 picks. Vick was one of the most hyped #1 picks in history, while Palmer wasnt even considered the best QB in the draft by the majority when he got picked. It all comes down to expectations. People wanted miracles out of Vick and expected nothing from Palmer. People expect a QB to throw the ball, not run the ball. So despite simuliar career averages, people are in love with Palmer because he beat their initial expectation, and they hate Vick either because he's different or because their initial expectations were surreal.

 
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In fantasy regards, I think people before this season wrote off Vick. I believe footballguys was pretty high on him, well at least a few of the staff was. I'm wondering what his future outlook is. It seems a lot of people feel he would be even better if his WRs would catch the ball. Does this mean his ceiling hasn't been reached? Or do people think this is pretty much what we're going to get out of him? I'd think the running would slow down sooner or later as he gets older.

 
I just wrote this for the dynasty thread but will add it here too. Although I am sure many will disagree about Vick being an injury risk it is one of the things that really concerns me about him.

In terms of redraft when picking a Qb I like most prefer to wait until the 5th round or later possibly making back to back Qb selections for a QBBC. I have no problem with using Vick this way but I would never want to use a high pick on him when I know I must back him up with some capable Qbs in case he is injured or is underperforming. He has not always been as solid with his rushing numbers on a game by game basis before either.

Well anyways the rest of what I wrote before:

I am not a fan of Michael Vick. He is such an injury risk because of his playing style. I worry about the longevity of his career even though he is only 26 years old right now.

Vick has been in the league for 6 seasons allready and he still has not developed into a Qb who can stay in the pocket and deliver the ball as other mobile Qbs have done before him. I wonder if he can? Or ever will? I find myself still asking the same questions about him as I did before he came into the NFL and the answer is still no. If he did that would change my opinion and perspective of him greatly.

Vick much like Doug Flutie is short for a Qb and has difficulty seeing over the line is part of the reason I think he does not stay in the pocket. Beyond his obviously exceptional ability to run with the ball.

This year Vicks numbers have been very consistent for a change as shown in the link posted by s_ezy. However that has not been the case with him in the past and I don't know that it will be with him moving forward. He is a player who makes me nervous to start any given week because you just don't know if he will be successful running the ball enough, if he will throw for any kind of decent yardage if he doesen't or even if he will make it through the game.

I definitly would not feel comfortable with Vick as my top Qb. I would always feel the need to have a very solid Qb #2 that can always start for me because of the risk that comes with Vick.

Perhaps I am looking at him all wrong. Maybe I should just view him as a Rb that gets to run a ton of trick plays. If only Vick were as accurate a passer as LT is. But I have to play him from the Qb slot. If I do look at him that way then he should have a decent chance to be solid for another 4 years before his rushing abilities begin to decline. And that is still plenty of time for Dynasty. What will happen with him when he loses his escapability.. even a slight decline I dunno if a team would still be able to start him then since he is not learning how to stay in the pocket and deliver the ball.

Vicks numbers:

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| Passing | Rushing |

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| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |

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| 2001 atl | 8 | 50 113 44.2 785 6.9 2 3 | 29 300 1 |

| 2002 atl | 15 | 231 421 54.9 2936 7.0 16 8 | 113 777 8 |

| 2003 atl | 5 | 50 100 50.0 585 5.8 4 3 | 40 255 1 |

| 2004 atl | 15 | 181 321 56.4 2313 7.2 14 12 | 120 902 3 |

| 2005 atl | 15 | 214 387 55.3 2412 6.2 15 13 | 102 597 6 |

| 2006 atl | 12 | 158 308 51.3 1892 6.1 15 9 | 105 929 2 |

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| TOTAL | 70 | 884 1650 53.6 10923 6.6 66 48 | 509 3760 21 |

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Vick is on pace to run for 1239 yards this season. The best he has ever done. He is averaging 77.4 rushing yards/game this year and that is why his numbers have been consistent. No team has stopped him from rushing for good numbers this year. Pittsburgh held him to 40 yards rushing. His worst rushing game this year. But in that same game Vick threw 4 TD passes. He did have 2 games in a row there where he was an effective passer which made me and I am sure others wonder if he had turned the corner as a passer?

But after those 2 games he followed it up with substandard passing numbers again.

det 17 32 163 1 2

cle 16 40 197 1 2

bal 11 21 127 1 0

nor 9 24 84 0 0

I know there has been talk about Atlantas Wrs dropping a lot of passes. But one has to wonder how Atlanta Wrs can develop timing or chemisty with Vick in the passing game when it doesen't have a rhythm they can grow accostomed to as far as how they run thier routes, when they make thier breaks and when they can be expecting the ball. I think it stunts the development of thier rookie Wrs. The free agents that Atlanta has brought in are not great hands players. Vick might be better served if they brought in possesion type Wrs who are good blockers instead of speed Wrs with questionable hands. I don't know.

 
The talk in the preseason was all about Vick finally getting the WCO & being with the same group of receivers for more than 1 year. Many predicted him to rebound nicely from last year, which he has. Last year he finished in the #9-#12 range in most scoring formats. In the various leagues I'm in this year, he is currently ranked from #1 down to #4 overall for the QB position, depending on the scoring system.

Vick has been a very good value pick this year. I like Vick for another 2-3 years. When he hits the age where players start to slow down....his value will drop significantly if you take away his rushing production. Running QB's don't run forever (Cunninham, Young, etc.) I don't see Vick as the player that will ever be a top 5 QB without his lofty rushing stats.

 
:thumbup: nice post biabreakable

So most of your concern is with injury then? I agree he is more injury prone then other QBs like Manning, but as well all know, predicting injuries is a tough business. I agree that he will most likely never develop into a pocket passing QB, but that's not what he was drafted #1 overall for and as your stats show, it's not what makes him an effective fantasy QB at times. That being said, I do share your thoughts of not being over comfortable with having Vick as my top QB. That's why I'm trying to determine if this year is the beginning of the norm or just a one team great year fantasy wise for him.

 
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Vick's mechanics are a lot better. I watched every game Vick has played for the Falcons in his career. This year Vick is more on target with the ball, hitting receivers in the hands (too bad they dont really catch em nor get open). Also better decisions on when to throw the ball away & when to get out of bounds or on the ground to avoid the extra hit. Vick still holds the ball too loosely & is fumble prone. Vick hasn't changed in his mindset of the fastball though. He doesn't throw touch passes (he did against the Steelers & Bengals). Every single one of his passes are rocket launches.

 
salmonstud said:
The talk in the preseason was all about Vick finally getting the WCO & being with the same group of receivers for more than 1 year. Many predicted him to rebound nicely from last year, which he has. Last year he finished in the #9-#12 range in most scoring formats. In the various leagues I'm in this year, he is currently ranked from #1 down to #4 overall for the QB position, depending on the scoring system.Vick has been a very good value pick this year. I like Vick for another 2-3 years. When he hits the age where players start to slow down....his value will drop significantly if you take away his rushing production. Running QB's don't run forever (Cunninham, Young, etc.) I don't see Vick as the player that will ever be a top 5 QB without his lofty rushing stats.
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agreed. So I guess the question becomes how long can we expect the rushing stats to last?
 
Shlon said:
Vick's mechanics are a lot better. I watched every game Vick has played for the Falcons in his career. This year Vick is more on target with the ball, hitting receivers in the hands (too bad they dont really catch em nor get open). Also better decisions on when to throw the ball away & when to get out of bounds or on the ground to avoid the extra hit. Vick still holds the ball too loosely & is fumble prone. Vick hasn't changed in his mindset of the fastball though. He doesn't throw touch passes (he did against the Steelers & Bengals). Every single one of his passes are rocket launches.
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I was impressed with him against the Redskins. He threaded some nice passes to his receivers/TEs, passes I didn't expect he could make. He also picked him spots to take off and run well, not like before.
 
Biabreakable said:
I know there has been talk about Atlantas Wrs dropping a lot of passes. But one has to wonder how Atlanta Wrs can develop timing or chemisty with Vick in the passing game when it doesen't have a rhythm they can grow accostomed to as far as how they run thier routes, when they make thier breaks and when they can be expecting the ball. I think it stunts the development of thier rookie Wrs. The free agents that Atlanta has brought in are not great hands players. Vick might be better served if they brought in possesion type Wrs who are good blockers instead of speed Wrs with questionable hands. I don't know.
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Shlon said:
Vick hasn't changed in his mindset of the fastball though. He doesn't throw touch passes (he did against the Steelers & Bengals). Every single one of his passes are rocket launches.
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When i watch Vick this is what I see. His 2 biggest issues right now. No touch on the pass and no timing and rhythm with the WRs. Its hard to say the WRs have bad hands. They are in teh NFL. Peerless Price didnt lose his hands in the move to Atl after a great season in Buff.What I see is a loss of concentration since the routes are timing based and the wrs are usually running around while vick extends the play with the legs. Then he throws a rocket to them (no touch) and they are expected to catch it. Timing is off, instead of 5 seconds and the ball is there its 10 seconds and a rocket. Loss of concentration. and to add another little tidbit, its a lefty pass. How many leftys are there? 3. Leinart, Vick, Brunell. And Brunell couldnt throw it hard if you lent him vick's arm!Not an excuse, just another angle you have to adjust to after extending your route for an extra 5 seconds, trying to catch a rocket and then having the lefty spin. Weak reasoning but still another straw on the camels back.Vick should never forget his running ability, but he has to learn to pass within the timing of the play and the routes and add some touch. His def and RBs cant carry him forever and you cant continue to blame his WRs. At some point he needs to take some too. Otherwise, the lossses will mount and schaub gets the call.
 
jbz said:
:thumbup: nice post biabreakableSo most of your concern is with injury then? I agree he is more injury prone then other QBs like Manning, but as well all know, predicting injuries is a tough business. I agree that he will most likely never develop into a pocket passing QB, but that's not what he was drafted #1 overall for and as your stats show, it's not what makes him an effective fantasy QB at times. That being said, I do share your thoughts of not being over comfortable with having Vick as my top QB. That's why I'm trying to determine if this year is the beginning of the norm or just a one team great year fantasy wise for him.
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I am still asking the same question as well and I don't know the answer.Vick is an anomoly. Yes there have been other good mobile Qbs in the past. But none quite as good as Vick. And the ones who were have gone down different paths.Fran Tarkenton - dual threat but a great passer.Randall Cunningham- dual threat better passer than Vick but still struggled and was eventualy benched for it later in his career. Then resurfaced as a great passer later with the Vikings but for only one year.Steve Young - dual threat but great passer in WCO.Rich Gannon - dual threat ended up being benched because of his poor passing ability. Later resurfaced as a veteran once he perfected his throwing mechanics. By that time he had lost a lot of the mobility he once had.Korell Stewart - had one really good year with the Steelers but slash could never get good enough passing the ball. Was not as good a runner as Vick.Steve McNair - dual threat but it took him several years to really come on as a passer. When it did he never lost it though. Has been plauged by injuries which may be connected to his running hard to say.Daunte Culpepper - dual threat but always a high percentage passer. His running the ball has led to injuries.Donovan McNabb - dual threat but always has been a pocket passer. His running has led to injuries.I am sure there are more but none of these guys really resemble Vick except for Kordell Stewart. Stewart was never as good at running the ball as Vick is. I think Stewart actualy probobly should have been a WR but anyways..Its really hard to say if Vick can keep running like this without getting injured again? He is kind of like a Rb in the way he plays so maybe he is no more risk than one of them? And he does not run the ball as many times or through trash like they do.The only reasonable way I have found to try to asses Vick is to try to convert his rushing yards into passing yards for FF (so doubling them as most league only give 50% of the points for passing yardage) and then comparing those numbers to Qb passing numbers. But the problem with that is most Qbs will still get some rushing yards at times although not as much or as consistently as Vick gets them.Vick 2004:
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 1 sfo | 13 22 163 1 1 | 6 10 0 || 2 stl | 14 19 179 1 0 | 12 109 0 || 3 ari | 10 20 115 0 1 | 8 68 0 || 4 car | 10 18 148 0 0 | 7 35 0 || 5 det | 18 29 196 0 1 | 5 29 0 || 6 sdg | 12 21 218 2 1 | 9 35 1 || 7 kan | 7 21 119 0 2 | 6 62 0 || 8 den | 18 24 252 2 0 | 12 115 0 || 10 tam | 8 16 147 1 1 | 9 73 0 || 11 nyg | 12 20 115 2 0 | 15 104 0 || 12 nor | 16 29 212 2 1 | 10 69 1 || 13 tam | 13 27 115 0 2 | 8 81 0 || 14 oak | 13 20 145 0 0 | 2 31 0 || 15 car | 11 28 154 2 2 | 8 68 1 || 17 sea | 6 7 35 1 0 | 3 13 0 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| TOTAL | 181 321 2313 14 12 | 120 902 3 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
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If I convert all the rushing numbers into passing numbers to make him comparable (kind of) to other Qbs his season would be 4117 yards passing 17 combined TD 12 INT which is kind of close to a normal Qb who throws for 32-3500 yards (slightly above average) and runs for 150 yards (average) = 35-3800 yards when converting thier rushing also. Most of the Qb #2s will have more TDs than that though by a few 18-22Vick 2005:
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 1 phi | 12 23 156 0 1 | 11 68 1 || 2 sea | 11 19 123 1 0 | 8 43 0 || 3 buf | 15 27 167 2 1 | 9 64 0 || 4 min | 6 8 49 1 0 | 4 58 0 || 6 nor | 11 23 112 1 1 | 8 51 0 || 7 nyj | 11 26 116 0 3 | 9 18 2 || 9 mia | 22 31 228 1 0 | 8 38 0 || 10 gnb | 20 30 209 2 0 | 7 20 1 || 11 tam | 21 38 306 2 0 | 4 17 0 || 12 det | 12 22 146 2 1 | 6 57 0 || 13 car | 17 35 171 0 2 | 4 27 0 || 14 nor | 12 23 231 1 1 | 6 38 2 || 15 chi | 13 32 122 0 2 | 6 35 0 || 16 tam | 16 26 161 2 0 | 11 63 0 || 17 car | 15 24 115 0 1 | 1 0 0 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| TOTAL | 214 387 2412 15 13 | 102 597 6 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
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If I convert all the rushing numbers into passing numbers to make him comparable (kind of) to other Qbs his season would be 3606 passing yards 19 total TDs. This is about the same as a typical Qb #2 numbers. I think it is worth saying though that in 2005 Vick made more of an effort to be a passing Qb and was less reckless taking off with the run. Not that it improved him as a passer at all.2006
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 1 car | 10 22 140 2 0 | 7 48 0 || 2 tam | 10 15 92 1 1 | 14 127 1 || 3 nor | 12 31 137 0 0 | 6 57 0 || 4 ari | 13 22 153 0 1 | 11 101 0 || 6 nyg | 14 27 154 0 1 | 8 68 1 || 7 pit | 18 30 232 4 2 | 5 40 0 || 8 cin | 20 28 291 3 0 | 9 55 0 || 9 det | 17 32 163 1 2 | 10 80 0 || 10 cle | 16 40 197 1 2 | 7 74 0 || 11 bal | 11 21 127 1 0 | 6 54 0 || 12 nor | 9 24 84 0 0 | 12 166 0 || 13 was | 8 16 122 2 0 | 10 59 0 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| TOTAL | 158 308 1892 15 9 | 105 929 2 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
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This is only 75% complete and Vick hasn't has any low rushing days compared to what you see in the past 2 years. However this may be a product of the option the Falcons use 5-10 times a game? That might be the difference this year... anyhow he is on pace for 2523 yards passing 1239 yards rushing 23 total TDs = 5001 yards passing and 23 TDs. So yeah Vick is performing at a much higher level this year than he has before. But that just may be a product of prorating his final 4 games based on the 1st 12... he might put up some stinkers in weeks ahead.. he hasn't really done that yet this season.Maybe it is just the difference of the option package?
 
Good stuff!

I didn't notice the option play in the Redskins game. I have seen it earlier in the season though. The one thing is for certain, he cannot keep up putting up 1000 yd rushing seasons, so his passing needs to improve to make up for the lack of fantasy points that will come from that.

 
Shlon said:
Vick's mechanics are a lot better. I watched every game Vick has played for the Falcons in his career. This year Vick is more on target with the ball, hitting receivers in the hands (too bad they dont really catch em nor get open). Also better decisions on when to throw the ball away & when to get out of bounds or on the ground to avoid the extra hit. Vick still holds the ball too loosely & is fumble prone. Vick hasn't changed in his mindset of the fastball though. He doesn't throw touch passes (he did against the Steelers & Bengals). Every single one of his passes are rocket launches.
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Very good description of Vick's passing. That's exactly what I've noticed. Although, I think the biggest improvement actually came last year when he was forced to be more of a pocket passer.BTW, our preseason hype was about Atlanta getting away from the west coast system, adding more running plays, and putting Vick in the shotgun where he can see better. Vick is not a west coast QB, never was, never will be.
 
I got 25 points out of Vick a couple weeks ago with no TDs and less than 100 yards passing. Gotta love it. I'm counting on him down the stretch since I lost McNabb.

 
I'm talking myself into starting Vick over Romo. Vick's consistency is hard to pass up. Romo has had 2 stinkers already and I don't know if I can risk that in the playoffs?

 
Biabreakable said:
Randall Cunningham- dual threat better passer than Vick but still struggled and was eventualy benched for it later in his career. Then resurfaced as a great passer later with the Vikings but for only one year.
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What might have been. Think about it. Up until the Vikings, Randall's best OC was Rich bleepin' Kotite. His rookie year, he was mostly sent in by Buddy for 3rd and long and told to "run around and make something happen".
 
I believe I was the staffer that had Vick ranked the highest this year and will take credit for ranking him that high, but I must admit that I thought it would be because his passing totals would be better and his running totals would have dipped.

From a fantasy perspective, I suppose we shouldn't care how Vick gets his fantasy production and should just be happy about it. I have Vick starting on just about everyone of my teams this year and am laughing all the way to the bank in grabbing him as the 13th to 15th QB off of the boards this year.

That being said, I think the play calling, the system, and the personnel are not a great fit for Vick. The Falcons do call a lot of running plays (even for their RBs), from what I've seen the WR corps has problems holding onto the ball, and Vick seems more comforrtable in scrambling at times than passing.

His passing performance on a whole may improve if the Falcons replace the coaching staff, aument the playcalling, and get some better quality WRs.

In the past 3 seasons, Vick has amassed 21 games of less than 150 passing yards. Most recently, his last 3 games have been 127, 84, and 122.

That's a far cry from the end of 2002 when Vick had games of 294, 272, 240, 337, and 240 in his final 8 games. By comparison, in 2004, 2005, and 2006, Vick had only one game each season of at least 240 passing yards.

I still hold out hope that Vick can put up at least average passing totals, and if he can do that he should rank in the Top 3-5 fantasy QB every seasons. I still personally think his best position in the NFL would be in a WR/RB role a la Westbrook or Bush (with some passing plays mixed in to really confuse the defense), but I doubt that will ever happen.

 
jbz said:
Michael Vick? Everyone's favorite whipping boy is putting together a superb fantasy season. His running has certainly helped him this year, but he's always had that and he's never been this consistent for fantasy purposes. Peyton Manning is pretty close, but in my leagues he's got 1 single digit scoring game (week 12). Is this the start of a trend of top 5 finishes for Vick or is this like the Aaron Brooks stat from a few years back when he was one of the only QBs to put up double digit points each week?
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Vick has the #2 Crank Score (a measure of consistency) for the season behind Donovan McNabb. Although he hasn't hit the "Elite QB" category very much (in top 2 for 3 of 12 games), he has produced as a "#1 QB" for a 12 team league in 10 of 12 games.Still... I have a tough time trusting him because his points rely so much on the rushing yards.

 
and the double-digit streaks ends today. Just as many have said, his success depends on the run and he only ran for 5 yards today. Had he put up 50 yards (not out of the question) he would have hit double digits again. Hope it doesn't cost people their playoffs matchup (including myself!)

 
ExtraPoint said:
But Vick is so injury prone and so inconsistent because he runs :unsure: That's what all the naysayers say despite that the stats have always shown differently. Vick hasnt been injured more than the average QB, and he's been a fantasy stud in games he's played the entirety throughout his career. Vick and Palmer were both #1 picks. Vick was one of the most hyped #1 picks in history, while Palmer wasnt even considered the best QB in the draft by the majority when he got picked. It all comes down to expectations. People wanted miracles out of Vick and expected nothing from Palmer. People expect a QB to throw the ball, not run the ball. So despite simuliar career averages, people are in love with Palmer because he beat their initial expectation, and they hate Vick either because he's different or because their initial expectations were surreal.
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Or maybe Palmer is loved because he saved a franchise. I'm from Cincy and we look at Carson as our saviour. It's not because he exceeded expectations. How is that even possible when you are the #1 pick in the draft?And who was considered a better QB in that draft? Leftwich, Grossman....Boller? LOL.
 
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doowain said:
Or maybe Palmer is loved because he saved a franchise. I'm from Cincy and we look at Carson as our saviour. It's not because he exceeded expectations. How is that even possible when you are the #1 pick in the draft?And who was considered a better QB in that draft? Leftwich, Grossman....Boller? LOL.
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Leftwich. Cincy isnt afraid to pick against the census. The Levi Jones pick was booed.Was talking about fantasy owners. Vick has tons of football fans... more than Palmer really. Vick has led Atlanta farther than Palmer has led Cincy. Its the world of fantasy number geeks who are in love with Palmer and disrespect Vick.
 
David Yudkin said:
From a fantasy perspective, I suppose we shouldn't care how Vick gets his fantasy production and should just be happy about it. I have Vick starting on just about everyone of my teams this year and am laughing all the way to the bank in grabbing him as the 13th to 15th QB off of the boards this year.
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To me, this is the thing with Vick. He gets his points; he just goes about it a little differently. The only two concerns about him that seem legit to me are:1. Will his play get him benched? I really don't see this happening in the forseeable future.

2. Injury. There's better posts in this thread than I could come with addressing this.

Other than that, what's the problem from a FF perspective? As David said you could get him relatively late - after some teams had taken their second QB - and get Top 5 production. To me, he's been the very definition of value.

 
thatguy said:
You jinxed him.
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I can't believe FBG had Vick as #1 on their Cheatsheets... I started him over Brees and left 42 points on my bench!!! Went from the #1 seed to #3 seed in the Playoffs because of it. :wall:
 
ExtraPoint said:
doowain said:
Or maybe Palmer is loved because he saved a franchise. I'm from Cincy and we look at Carson as our saviour. It's not because he exceeded expectations. How is that even possible when you are the #1 pick in the draft?And who was considered a better QB in that draft? Leftwich, Grossman....Boller? LOL.
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Leftwich. Cincy isnt afraid to pick against the census. The Levi Jones pick was booed.Was talking about fantasy owners. Vick has tons of football fans... more than Palmer really. Vick has led Atlanta farther than Palmer has led Cincy. Its the world of fantasy number geeks who are in love with Palmer and disrespect Vick.
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That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guy is the number one pick in the draft and is the Heisman winner, but isn't even a better QB than an overweight, immobile MAC quarterback? Are you kidding me? Palmer > Vick ---- in fantasy and reality.Atlanta was decent before Vick got there. We all know Cincy's story. Where has Vick led Atlanta to that Palmer hasn't? Neither have won a SB, and that's all that should matter. I'd bet you any amount you want, though, that Palmer has a ring before Vick.PS - Vick isn't even the best QB on his own team.
 
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thatguy said:
You jinxed him.
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I can't believe FBG had Vick as #1 on their Cheatsheets... I started him over Brees and left 42 points on my bench!!! Went from the #1 seed to #3 seed in the Playoffs because of it. :wall:
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Holy ####.. I did the EXACT same thing. I might lose because of it. my bad. :wall: :wall:
 
doowain said:
That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guy is the number one pick in the draft and is the Heisman winner, but isn't even a better QB than an overweight, immobile MAC quarterback? Are you kidding me?
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Hindsight sure makes everything easy doesnt it? You and I arent talking about the same thing at all. I was talking about expectations before Leftwich and Palmer were even drafted in the NFL. You are talking about who is a better NFL QB. I was talking about Palmer's and Vick's fantasy value perceptions. You are talking about their football perceptions. That would be why its the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
 
ExtraPoint said:
doowain said:
That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guy is the number one pick in the draft and is the Heisman winner, but isn't even a better QB than an overweight, immobile MAC quarterback? Are you kidding me?
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Hindsight sure makes everything easy doesnt it? You and I arent talking about the same thing at all. I was talking about expectations before Leftwich and Palmer were even drafted in the NFL. You are talking about who is a better NFL QB. I was talking about Palmer's and Vick's fantasy value perceptions. You are talking about their football perceptions. That would be why its the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
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Which is why fantasy FB = fantasy world and not reality. In FFB, Vick can score the same as Carson on a given week. In the real world, he can't even hold Palmer's jock.That's not perception. That's reality.
 
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