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people are really buying this? No GM in this history of the NFL has ever thought "let's take the lesser player now over the gamebreaking, franchise-changing guys, so that we can suck more this year and have a better draft pick next year."Give me a break people. 
I'm talking in hindsight. At the time, it was an epic blunder. I'm not sure how anyone thought Charlie Casserly was the guy to make that decision. "Hey Chuck, I know you've given your two weeks. As a show of our appreciation, why don't you select #1 overall for us on your way out the door."What I'm saying is that I can certainly see how a Mario Williams/Adrian Peterson combo will end up being every bit as good as an alternate pairing, like Bush/Gaines Adams. Sinking money in to David Carr is the real mistake taking place in Houston.
Make no mistake, this is one gaff that wasn't Casserly's. It was Kubiak's. As bad as Charlie was, he doesn't deserve the blame for this. VY is already achieving folk hero status in Houston. Had he been picked, the fan support would have been through the roof. AP won't be able to match that. No matter the future combination of picks, Houston blew this one when they picked up Carr's option.I'm talking in hindsight. At the time, it was an epic blunder. I'm not sure how anyone thought Charlie Casserly was the guy to make that decision. "Hey Chuck, I know you've given your two weeks. As a show of our appreciation, why don't you select #1 overall for us on your way out the door."What I'm saying is that I can certainly see how a Mario Williams/Adrian Peterson combo will end up being every bit as good as an alternate pairing, like Bush/Gaines Adams. Sinking money in to David Carr is the real mistake taking place in Houston.
Tell that to the Lions
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We can sometimes be a bit foolish regarding NFL talent when we see it through the eyes of FFB. If Bruce Smith had been the pick we would be having this very same conversation. Smith was far from remarkable early on, and as you say, it takes a lot more time to develop DEs then fans realize.
Just an observation: # of Super Bowl Wins for Packers since that draft=1 # of Super Bowl Wins for Lions, Falcons and Chiefs since that draft=0Maybe the moral is we put too much emphasis on Top 5 draft picks. Says Marquis Colston.
Not all of themMan...you just know Texan fans fell like doing thisto the brain trust that passed on Bush
I concur
13th on the all time sack list. Meh, I'll take that I suppose.
I have brought up this point as well. In addition, I am not 100% that Young would be doing as good in Houston, with their lack of a consistant running game, as he is in Tennessee.
To be honest, I think Carr was mentally and physically a better QB when he came into the league than he is now. After spending 4 years either on his back or running for his life, he is now playing the position very timidly. In the Tennessee game yesterday he even ducked a sack that wasn't really there. I think he is more than a "good" QB, but right now he is damaged goods and it will probably take a new team and a very good coaching staff to bring that back out of him. I was hoping Kubiak could be the one to do that, but sadly it hasn't looked that way so far.
So a team should draft a player for the marketing aspect over a need for the team??? If So I guess the BROWNS better draft Troy Smith since he is from Cleveland.
They should've read Gladwell's "Blink"
Marketing was a facotr of the franchise's first player selected (Boselli), their first draft pick (Carr), and should have been factored into this pick. And to consider that VY could have started love ya' steel blue down here, thats a pretty significant factor. Its not like Bush or VY were reaches at the #1 pick. And this team still has needs just about everywhere. Geez, they just signed some guys off the street a few weeks ago that have been getting significant playing time. The entire franchise has been mismanaged into the ground. I dont think anyone outside of the Houston area fully understands the frustration of the fanbase. People are venting all over the place in Houston right now, and they're going to have to continue to vent until the Texans are a winning franchise. And I hope the fans in Cleveland are getting pretty fed up with the trash they put on the field year in and year out.
Maybe that is part of the reason that I still have a little hope that things will get turned around without a major overhaul. Although I live in East Texas, I consider myself as much a fan as anyone in the Houston area. I watch every game faithfully and usually make at least 2-3 games a year. But I do wonder how long things can continue before the fanbase totally turns on the team. As far as the marketing aspect goes, here is some food for thought since cowboyz brought up Detroit. How do you think the Lions fans feel about the "hometown" sure thing WR they drafted in 2003. You think they would have rather had any of these guys:
The sports bar down the street thanks you for my money.
There is a significant base of fans that won't forgive them short of winning the Superbowl an maybe not even then. I honestly can't explain the legend Vince Young was before he went to UT and once he won the national title, he guaranteed that his grandchildren will be getting free meals when they are 50. Bush made an acceptable alternative for most of these fans, but drafting a DLman who was more potential than production did not sit really well.
Why do people keep saying #### like this? Do receiving yards not count where you're from? He had over a 150 yards from scrimmage yesterday. 150. Not 37. 150. It's a disingenuous quote and anybody with a brain could see around it. I saw somebody the other day say "he only has 400 yards rushing this year" while completely ignoring the 700 he has receiving.
Judging by the fact that yesterday at least 1/3 of the Texans' best crowd of the season was cheering openly for the Young and the Titans, and there were literally tens of thousands of fans sporting official Titans #10 Vince Young jerseys, I'd say that assessement is fairly accurate. Yesterday's crowd was the 2nd largest in Texans' history, and their first sellout of the year. The PA announcer thanked everyone for attending. He should have thanked Young.As I left the stadium having just watched Young and 25k would-be Texans fans, who are instead new Titans fans, demonstrate to Texans management just exactly how monumental an error they had committed by passing on the kid, I couldn't wipe the smile off my face. On the way out I heard literally hundreds of Texans fans lamenting the loss of and loss to the hometown idol, while in the same breath decrying David Carr's lack of killer instinct and/or big play capability. One said "It's not Carr's fault, but he'll just never be on the level of a Vince Young." I heard one guy yell out to two dejected female clerks as he passed an empty Texans apparel stand "Y'all want some customers? Get some o' them Vince Young jerseys." As I made my way down the exit stairs, one could clearly hear shouts of "Mario who?" and others questioning whether Williams was even on the field during that last play.
Great great great great great post. I actually feel bad for Texans fans. What a kick to the guy that must've been yesterday. Wonder what that all rates on Simmons' stomachpunch scale.
I keep saying this because so far running is the weakest part of his game (Bush), and in Houston he would really be relied on to make a difference running the ball. We don't have a solid line here. We don't have Deuce here. Receiving yards are a nice compliment for your RB, but it only works there because there is someone else to run the ball.
At game's end yesterday, the Texans fans who weren't #####ing about the things I mentioned above or actually cheering VY, were just walking out with this glazed, stunned, lost look in their eyes, or staring dejectedly at the concrete.
OK, how does the notion of a VY + Peterson backfield strike you?Load up for the run to stop Young and Peterson, and Young kills you with Andre Johnson.
It's true. I've never seen anything like it either. Young's fans, the people who've been there for his ups and downs, his struggles and successes, really love him. There are many reasons for this, but I think one of the biggest, one that is difficult to appreciate unless you actually see him play in person, is that his performances evoke intense reactions...emotional reactions. In his years at Texas, even before he really "got" the offense, I didn't want to miss a game...ever...because I knew he'd do something amazing and jaw-dropping, and I did not want to miss it.
I've always been amazed at expansion franchises taking qbs #1 in year 1.
If it isn't apparent to you after Sunday that the Texans need a qb, then I can't help you.Had the Texans drafted Young they'd have addressed:- a need on the field- a leadership void- ticket sales woes- merchandising issues..and they would have been doing something good for the city of Houston and the State of Texas. Instead, they shortchanged us all.Prior to the game, Houston fans dubbed the Titans game "Judgment Day". Well, the verdict is in, and I don't think they like it one little bit. Oh, of course, Texans mgmt appeal next year, but we all know how that usually goes.
The plan is to be good. The prob is they're not so realistic that they'll have a top pick again the following year.I forget where Carolina got Collins but that'd probably be the other side of the argument. He got them to the NFCC pretty quick. His coach was the Texans coach too.IMO Couch looked fine when he was young. I didn't disagree with everyone praising his talent on draft day but that guy just never stopped taking a beating. I don't know that any QB could have done well in his situation.Carr's sack #s have gone down but he too took a serious beating. When you keep re-setting the sack record.....In the Texans' defense they took a well known risk on Boselli. If he wound up recoverring from his (shoulder?) injury, I'd bet their line would have been very different. I don't know if he'll ever get in the HOF but IMO he was one of the top linemen I saw play. I remember him handling Bruce Smith as a rook or 2nd year player when no one else could and.....he was a top player. He alone would have improved that line.
Ever since the Pittsburg game, his rushing numbers are low more due to attempts then production. His ypc average was a robust 6.2 on Sunday. Thing is, he only got 12 total offensive touches.icehouse said:
Vince Young down?2007 TDs:Mario Williams - 1Reggie Bush - 0Houston clearly made the correct call.
Vince Young down?2007 TDs:
Mario Williams - 1
Reggie Bush - 0
Houston clearly made the correct call.
How will the Texans ever get someone to pass for 78 yards?
...or win games...Vince Young down?2007 TDs:
Mario Williams - 1
Reggie Bush - 0
Houston clearly made the correct call.
Unless Mario leads the Texans to multiple SB victories, its still the wrong choice. Texans had a chance to brand themselves with an exciting playmarker in a town that desperately needed some reason to care about the team. Just a marketing blunder of epic proportions.2007 TDs:Mario Williams - 1Reggie Bush - 0Houston clearly made the correct call.
They won Sunday....or win games...Vince Young down?2007 TDs:
Mario Williams - 1
Reggie Bush - 0
Houston clearly made the correct call.
How will the Texans ever get someone to pass for 78 yards?
Why do the Texans need multiple SBs to justify the choice?Not saying it was right or wrong but that just makes no sense. Bush, Young, and Williams are all tied for leading their teams to 0 super bowls.Unless Mario leads the Texans to multiple SB victories, its still the wrong choice. Texans had a chance to brand themselves with an exciting playmarker in a town that desperately needed some reason to care about the team. Just a marketing blunder of epic proportions.2007 TDs:Mario Williams - 1Reggie Bush - 0Houston clearly made the correct call.
Because Bush would have been loved for adding excitement ot a completely boring team, and Vince would have been a god and drawn people no matter how the team's record. The only way for Mario to win over the fans is to win. Win big and win often.Why do the Texans need multiple SBs to justify the choice?Not saying it was right or wrong but that just makes no sense. Bush, Young, and Williams are all tied for leading their teams to 0 super bowls.Unless Mario leads the Texans to multiple SB victories, its still the wrong choice. Texans had a chance to brand themselves with an exciting playmarker in a town that desperately needed some reason to care about the team. Just a marketing blunder of epic proportions.2007 TDs:Mario Williams - 1Reggie Bush - 0Houston clearly made the correct call.
They seem to have done alright replacing them.Why would they need to draft Bush or Vince when they already had DDavis and Carr?
