Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I like that Jamaal Anderson switchout. The more I read, the more I think that's a lock.
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Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Why do mock(ers) insist on giving the Titans a LB or OG?
Granted, Willis is a beast, but he can't cover a double move down the sidelines for crap.
Granted, Willis is a beast, but he can't cover a double move down the sidelines for crap.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You don't seem to like anyone that is mocked to the Titans, so I don't know what would please you. 
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Minnesota silly. Quick preview of my revisions just to the last playoff loser...1. Oakland - Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech 2. Detroit - Jamarcus Russell*, QB, LSU3. Cleveland - Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma 4. Tampa Bay - Dwayne Jarrett*, WR, USC5. Arizona - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin 6. Washington - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson7. Minnesota - Tedd Ginn, Jr.*, WR, Ohio State8. Houston - LaRon Landry, S, LSU9. Miami - Brian Brohm*, QB, Louisville10. Atlanta - Sidney Rice*, WR, South Carolina11. San Francisco - Darrelle Revis*, CB, Pitt 12. Buffalo - Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan13. St. Louis - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame14. Carolina - Levi Brown, OT, Penn State15. Pittsburgh - Charles Johnson*, OLB, Georgia16. Green Bay - Marshawn Lynch*, RB, Cal17. Jacksonville - Jamaal Anderson*, DE, Arkansas18. Cincinnati - Glenn Dorsey*, DT, LSU19. Tennessee - Robert Meachem*, WR, Tennessee20. N.Y. Giants - Amobi Okoye, DT, NYG21. Denver - MIchael Griffin, S, Texas22. Dallas - Quentin Moses, OLB, Georgia23. Kansas City - Justin Blalock, OL, Texas24. New England (from Seattle) - Paul Posluzny, LB, Penn State25. New York Jets - Leon Hall, CB, MichiganThat's the fantasy fans deluxe version.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's quite a revision:
Jamarcus Russell to Detroit!?
While I would love for the Vikes to go 1 & 2 at WR, I don't see it happening.
Branch goes all the way to 12?
Brohm before Quinn. Hmmm.
Rice at 10. As much heat as the Lions get for spending firsts on WR, Atlanta should get more.
Jamarcus Russell to Detroit!?
While I would love for the Vikes to go 1 & 2 at WR, I don't see it happening.
Branch goes all the way to 12?
Brohm before Quinn. Hmmm.
Rice at 10. As much heat as the Lions get for spending firsts on WR, Atlanta should get more.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Petrino isn't going to mess around with a poor offense. He'll see all the drops, deal with Vick and take a game changing dominant receiver if one is available. And he won't care if Jenkins and White didn't pan out. Those were someone else's mistakes and niether grade anywhere in the vicinity of Rice.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Of course, I'm:Jamarcus Russell to Detroit!?Branch goes all the way to 12?Brohm before Quinn. Hmmm.
of all of this, but I'm doing my homework. Russell is a beast, with every throw you could possibly want. The Harrington era is over and they are currently without an era. Russell is an era.Branch slide ala Ngata. Remember him always in the top 4-8 last year? He turned up a little lazier and slower than expected. A little too cocky. Same story.Brohm is before Quinn in my rankings, has been all along. And I'm now beginning to believe he'll be drafted accordingly. Petrino's move has me putting him in my mock. I haven't shared my opinion of Brohm, but it is very high. I still like Quinn, but the Senior Bowl is going to hurt him, imo. He does not benefit from week long comparisons to Stanton and Edwards. Brohm choreographs a pro day, puts on a show, charms in interviews and gets drafted ahead of Quinn. 
saintfool
Dead sexy
i like this quite a bit. the only thing i see being even remotely as compelling a need is DT. surely they will make a play for DT in the first day, even if they re-sign Hollis Thomas. i read on a saints site that they signed CB mckenzie to an extension in 2005 which will keep him a saint until 2009. so the backfield isn't a pressing need. LB depth is very thin and they are desperate for a playmaker at that position. there is only so much you can get out of sheer hustle.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Seems high, but I like it. I do not care for Jenkins and White.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But in the end, ends up being the beast that most people thought he was?
I can see it. And I definitely agree that QB is probably Miami's MOST pressing need. They misjudged Culpepper (releasing him was about the only good move the Vikes did last year) and Harrington is Harrington.For Miami, however, I think you could pick any of these names out of a hat and it would be a good one for them. That team is about to head to new levels of suckitude.Brohm is before Quinn in my rankings, has been all along. And I'm now beginning to believe he'll be drafted accordingly. Petrino's move has me putting him in my mock. I haven't shared my opinion of Brohm, but it is very high. I still like Quinn, but the Senior Bowl is going to hurt him, imo. He does not benefit from week long comparisons to Stanton and Edwards. Brohm choreographs a pro day, puts on a show, charms in interviews and gets drafted ahead of Quinn.
Love Rice to Atlanta and the guts to put him in the top 10. At his best, he is a franchise WR, and makes as many
plays as Calvin Johnson. Charles Johnson as an OLB? I see better candidates in this class (Spencer), but I trust in your eye, CC. I think Anderson is a legit top 15 pick, and maybe top 10 with a great combine. I was wrong about Pitcock, and you're right to reflect it. He won't stick in the top 20 because of his short arms and lack of projectability - WYSIWYG.Man, you hate the CBs other than Revis.Why does Nelson fall out of the top 25? Is he left out because he's not official yet?Great work, The underclassmen will make this a nice draft class (at least at the top) yet.
As I said above, I like the guts of this projection, and the confidence in Rice to earn that kind of grade. And I've always felt Vick needed the kind of WR who could "bail him out" with great individual plays, building his confidence as a passer - that is Rice's forte. Agreed on Rice being a better prospect than either White or Jenkins. White is having some Troy Williamson issues, and Jenkins is only good for running open when Vick scrambles.
Brohm vs Quinn is an interesting one. I agree with you, questioning the move on Quinn's part to go the Senior Bowl. Imo, it can only hurt his draft stock. Everyone is in "look for flaws" mode with him. I like Brohm, but he reminds me of Warner/Peyton - will execute to a T when everything is ideal, but dont ask him to be athletic or create under pressure, dont ask him to keep plays alive. He will look TERRIBLE if he's plugged in behind a weak line like Walter/Carr/Frye. Quinn has the major knock of his performance against tough Ds (and its not just the lack of a signature win against a good D, its that he doesnt seem to relish the chance to prove his meddle against great teams, he seems more tentative as the stage gets bigger). Honestly, I think the decision comes down to your offense. Quinn for the QB asked to move around a lot and make quick reads, Brohm for the pocket QB that is asked to go for the jugular. Both are franchise QBs, although Quinn's grip on that label is slipping.Brohm is before Quinn in my rankings, has been all along. And I'm now beginning to believe he'll be drafted accordingly. Petrino's move has me putting him in my mock. I haven't shared my opinion of Brohm, but it is very high. I still like Quinn, but the Senior Bowl is going to hurt him, imo. He does not benefit from week long comparisons to Stanton and Edwards. Brohm choreographs a pro day, puts on a show, charms in interviews and gets drafted ahead of Quinn.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
diesel7982
Footballguy
Does Martz take shots downfield? Yes. Is that what the offense is based around? No.Martz's offense is certainly not based on short timing routes. Martz likes to go downfield.Like I said in my writeup, I just can't see them spending all that money on the tackles. They gave Backus something like a $50 million contract didn't they? Maybe that number's high..Killer Kowalski said in his Lions blog this week that the Lions are angling for Gaines Adams in the first round. I didn't like hearing it then, and I don't like hearing it now.
If they don't take the Wisconsin OT, they should take JaMarcus. Screw Brady Quinn.
And the Lions taking Russell would be a ridiculously bad fit. Put a big QB who's strength is going downfield in an offense mainly based on shorter timing routes. Excellent.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Mini-update:
1. Oakland - Jamarcus Russell
2. Detroit - Gaines Adams
3. Tampa Bay - Calvin Johnson
4. Cleveland - Brady Quinn
5. Arizona - Joe Thomas
6. Washington - Alan Branch
***7. Minnesota - Jamaal Anderson
Dwayne Jarrett out. Addition of Rice & Meachem makes the Vikes think they can wait until round 2 or later for WR.
8. Houston - Adrian Peterson
9. Miami - Darrelle Revis
10. Atlanta - Laron Landry
***11. San Francisco - Dwayne Jarrett
Antoine Cason out. Yes, the team needs defense, but also needs offensive playmakers.
12. Buffalo - Lawrence Timmons
13. St. Louis - Quinn Pitcock
14. Carolina - Justin Blalock
15. Pittsburgh - Levi Brown
***16. Green Bay - Sidney Rice
Ted Ginn out. Rice is a better fit for that offense.
17. Jacksonville - Reggie Nelson
18. Cincinnati - Amobi Okoye
19. Tennessee - Patrick Willis
20. New York Giants - Leon Hall
***21. Denver - DeMarcus Tyler
Marshawn Lynch out. Need more help on d-line.
***22. Dallas - Antoine Cason
Anthony Spencer out. Other than Newman, they have nothing in that D-backfield. At this point, Cason is a placeholder as it could be someone like McCauley or Hughes.
***23. Kansas City - Glen Dorsey
Demarcus Tyler out (taken). They better hope he declares or they will miss out on an area of dire need (DT) in a year with a lot of blue chippers.
24. New England (from Seattle) - Michael Griffin
25. New Orleans - Paul Pozluszny
***26. New York Jets - Marshawn Lynch
Adam Carriker out. Washington has looked okay, but is not an every down back. This is a match made in heaven.
27. Philadelphia - Eric Weddle
28. New England - Lemarr Woodley
29. Indianapolis - Rufus Alexander
***30. Baltimore - Anthony Spencer
Troy Smith out. This assumes Thomas leaving.
31. Chicago - Joe Staley
32. San Diego - Robert Meachem
Bumped out of the 1st
Troy Smith
Adam Carriker
Ted Ginn Jr.
Atta boy Andy. Only took you a few mocks to figure it out.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You can please some of the people some of the time...
diesel7982
Footballguy
From Andy's mock, Id take Leon Hall, Antoine Cason, or Michael Griffin all before Willis.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Where do you see Troy Smith going?I thought I was the only person on this board not projecting him as a first round pick, so Im pleased to see someone else on board.Is he a high 2nd rounder in your mind? Or a late 2nd/early 3rd type?You can please some of the people some of the time...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I really can't see him getting out of the second round. Depending on what the teams do in the 1st, there are many that I can see taking a chance on him in the second, especially Tampa which has picks both at the beginning and end of the round.I think these are the teams that could obviously take a chance on him in the second (if they didn't get one of Russell/Quinn/Brohm in the first):Oakland Raiders (Doesn't seem to fit here though.)Detroit Lions Cleveland Browns (Rumors abound already)Tampa Bay Minnesota Vikings
(I'm not at all sold on Tarvaris)Houston Texans Miami Dolphins Carolina Panthers Green Bay Packers Jacksonville Jaguars Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles Baltimore Ravens Chicago Bears I hope he has a lights-out game tonight to throw a monkey wrench in everyone's ranking of him diesel7982
Footballguy
I personally hoping Leak goes lights-out so that we can all laugh at the people who'll invaribly come on here calling him a 1st round pick. Will bring some mid-week humor to the board.I really can't see him getting out of the second round. Depending on what the teams do in the 1st, there are many that I can see taking a chance on him in the second, especially Tampa which has picks both at the beginning and end of the round.I think these are the teams that could obviously take a chance on him in the second (if they didn't get one of Russell/Quinn/Brohm in the first):Oakland Raiders (Doesn't seem to fit here though.)Detroit Lions Cleveland Browns (Rumors abound already)Tampa Bay Minnesota Vikings
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Thanks, that one is the most fun yet for me. Which means it may be furthest from reality. I think the WRs are too talented to pass, so 4 in the top 10 and a fifth in the top 20 won't surprise me. If the team's drafting are seriously looking to improve, then BaP is WR early and often this year. Charles Johnson. In early September I was very excited to see Rice and Moses play. I had barely heard of Johnson. He ruined my day. Georgia shut out South Carolina. Rice did squat. Moses couldn't make plays with Johnson out there. Johnson had a couple sacks, a safety and god knows how many TFLs, but he was completely unblockable. In the recap Coach Richt praised him and told us his nickname, Big Bully. Anyway, I just filed him away as a better prospect than Moses, ruining Moses reputation in the process, but I didn't expect Big Bully in this draft. Did you see the Chikafil Bowl? Yikes. Big Bully has as good a first step as I HAVE EVER SEEN. A young Strahan? Bruce Smith? They had awesome first steps. Merriman and Philips are great right now, so are Burgess and Osi when they're awake. Big Bully quicker. He's 6-2 265, and I think he does everything Merriman does, frankly. He's just nastier and hits more like a bull. I have a crush. Merriman didn't have Moses to share with, and Moses is awesome too. I could be wrong and maybe just caught him at his best, but he declared early with a 1st round grade from the NFLPA and an agent promising him he couldn't possibly fall if he keeps doing the right things. It wasn't like the many 1st or 2nd round grades they handed out. In mid December they gave Johnson a solid 1st round grade, so he declared and went out and dominated a bowl game. Get him in your mocks friends and nieghbors. Hope he lands on your favorite team, cause he Big Bully!I don't hate the CBs, I just think they... are too easy to score on. Cason and Houston are next on my list, and might have made this mock if I finished it. I like them better than Hall, who I made room for. I'll go along with it if it becomes obvious I have them wrong and a bunch are going early, but I'll question it for a long time. Also, the elite talent is looking solid with the new underclassmen and that is driving value deeper. I still think the second day will be a snoozer, but the first three rounds are looking much much better.Love Rice to Atlanta and the guts to put him in the top 10. At his best, he is a franchise WR, and makes as manyplays as Calvin Johnson. Charles Johnson as an OLB? I see better candidates in this class (Spencer), but I trust in your eye, CC. I think Anderson is a legit top 15 pick, and maybe top 10 with a great combine. I was wrong about Pitcock, and you're right to reflect it. He won't stick in the top 20 because of his short arms and lack of projectability - WYSIWYG.Man, you hate the CBs other than Revis.Why does Nelson fall out of the top 25? Is he left out because he's not official yet?Great work, The underclassmen will make this a nice draft class (at least at the top) yet.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Since you know who does and doesn't have this figured out already, I think you should give up a mock.
and the second day WRs will still be fun to track - the talent there gets deeper every year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'd like a do-over please.Troy Smith is a third rounder at best. Not that last night was entirely his fault. Big Ten =diesel7982 said:I personally hoping Leak goes lights-out so that we can all laugh at the people who'll invaribly come on here calling him a 1st round pick. Will bring some mid-week humor to the board.Andy Dufresne said:I really can't see him getting out of the second round. Depending on what the teams do in the 1st, there are many that I can see taking a chance on him in the second, especially Tampa which has picks both at the beginning and end of the round.I think these are the teams that could obviously take a chance on him in the second (if they didn't get one of Russell/Quinn/Brohm in the first):Oakland Raiders (Doesn't seem to fit here though.)Detroit Lions Cleveland Browns (Rumors abound already)Tampa Bay Minnesota Vikingsdiesel7982 said:
And BTW, what is UP with these coaches going stupid and going for it on fourth down, in their own territory, IN THE FIRST HALF!!??? Tressel & Weis should both be fined, or flogged, or fired, or SOMETHING for these terrible decisions.
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The_Man
Footballguy
Actually, after spending weeks telling you that the Ravens will never pick Troy Smith, I'm starting to reconsider. He looked an awful lot like Kyle Boller out there last night, so maybe Baltimore will be intrigued.I'd like a do-over please.Troy Smith is a third rounder at best. Not that last night was entirely his fault. Big Ten =
Sammy3469
Footballguy
You do that when you know you're team is overmatched.I'd like a do-over please.Troy Smith is a third rounder at best. Not that last night was entirely his fault. Big Ten =diesel7982 said:I personally hoping Leak goes lights-out so that we can all laugh at the people who'll invaribly come on here calling him a 1st round pick. Will bring some mid-week humor to the board.Andy Dufresne said:I really can't see him getting out of the second round. Depending on what the teams do in the 1st, there are many that I can see taking a chance on him in the second, especially Tampa which has picks both at the beginning and end of the round.I think these are the teams that could obviously take a chance on him in the second (if they didn't get one of Russell/Quinn/Brohm in the first):Oakland Raiders (Doesn't seem to fit here though.)Detroit Lions Cleveland Browns (Rumors abound already)Tampa Bay Minnesota Vikingsdiesel7982 said:
Twilight
Footballguy
Explain this please. Why do the Niner's, who's D is much worse than Minny's and have an argueably a better receiving core, not believe the same thing about waiting for a WR?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You don't have to argue very hard to say you have a better receiving corps than the Vikings. That doesn't mean that it isn't still wretched. A WR like Jarrett represents better value than a defensive player at that spot. Just my opinion.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm going over a bunch of stuff, trying to rank DBs, and I'm hoping folks got a good look at Reggie Nelson in the big game. He is very overrated. That's why he fell out of my top 25 (I wanted to wait before answering that question, and Nelson disappointed as I expected). What I saw this year, and what made me suspicious of the praise all along was a guy who does two things well and many important things poorly. He baits QBs and he sets up huge hits. So it looks real good on the evening news and sportscenter. But like Leon Hall, who is way overrated, Nelson is lacking in many key areas. He is a big hitter, but a poor tackler. Pittman just walked by him. He likes jacking people up when he catches them vulnerable, but one on one, he backs down and misses a lot. The idea he can switch to corner is very strange to me. He is not much for coverage. He's a very small Roy Williams who doesn't care for oncoming ball carriers. Also like Leon Hall, a tremendous supporting cast made him look a lot better than he is. Cason and Houston are nice prospects. This CB class will be very shallow without Cason, who should announce today or tomorrow. McCauley, sheesh, people depend too much on what they read via the draftnik sites and "scouting" services. I watch college football and read about it closely. I'm working on Scott Wright, who ranks McCauley CB2 and knows nothing about Fresno State. A year ago he was reporting FSU's 215 LB. RB weighed 185. He wouldn't listen to me even after the kid weighed in at the Combine. He is ignoring me on McCauley this year, and being the leader of the best free site for draft info, Scott Wright is largely responsible for the misguided McCauley rankings all over the place. Here's what Scott is ignoring. McCauley was benched for the last three games. He got burned over and over again, and he became a headcase. He gave up two TDs in the nickel in his last game. His incredible speed was non existent when John Broussard outran the angle on McCauley on his way to an 85 yard score. He's been thrown under the bus by Pat Hill. Do not mock him to the Pats, the Cowboys, the Saints, Jets or any team in the Parcells/Bellichick line. Marcus McCauley will be lucky to be drafted on day one. I don't care where Rang, Coyle and Wright rank him. His replacement clearly improved the defense, and Elgin Simmons, possible second day draft pick, was the best CB on that team last year. McCauley has a big reputation from his junior year. He piled up stats because he was frequently targeted opposite Richard Marshall, who is the real deal. When people started claiming McCauley ran 4.3 and was better than Marshall, I got confused. No way. His repuatation and some awesome workouts can help him, but I'm thinking 3rd round the soonest. If I can't convince Scott Wright, I probably can't convince many here, but consider this. Sixteen DBs have accpepted Senior Bowl invites. McCauley doesn't have one.
CC, you consistently drop the best knowledge - I did not get to watch Fresno this year, and I will definitely heed your opinion more than any of the others you mentioned.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's what has me confused about SW's ranking of McCauley. How can you consider a guy that rode the pine for three games due to poor play a first rounder? The no-brainier answer is that you can't.
brewer
Footballguy
Agreed, to take it one step further, I only chime in from time to time, but I always seem to be drawn most to the threads like this, IE, Andy starts them, Bloom chimes in with comments and CC fills in the gaps.Good stuff as usual guys.CC, you consistently drop the best knowledge - I did not get to watch Fresno this year, and I will definitely heed your opinion more than any of the others you mentioned.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Consider yourself spared. It was ugly. My old college roomy teaches at Fresno and is a huge sport fan. So, I get pretty good insights on that program. As you know hey had three solid prospects. Paul Williams, Kyle Young and Marcus McCauley. They all blew it badly. Williams is rumored to have faked injury once he got outplayed by a great freshman (Chastin West), Young got kicked out for acedemics, and McCauley choked as CB1. Hill is promising to right the ship. The lines are both going to be very good next year. West and freshman RB Lonyae Miller should be rising stars.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Final comment on this guy for now. Don't think I am "that" down on Nelson. I just see him flirting with the top 10 in many mocks and I think that's a real stretch. The things Nelson does very well cannot be taken lightly. Baiting QBs into mistakes is a real gift and his is very strong. He breaks up a lot of plays and showed excellent ball skills. Crushing hits go a long way too. He is a nice FS, but that's not usually a position drafted very early. I can see him in the first round. Top 15? No, I don't see that, especially with the elite underclassmen now involved. I would call him one of those late first early second guys with a chance of slipping ala Ko Simpson. Similar players. I'm also concerned he may stay in school. I think he should cash in on his big season.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Its an incredibly useless exercise. I usually put up one around draft time, but anyone who's studied the draft and watched it over a number of years will tell you any mock before mid-April is pointless.Doesnt mean the logic of some of the picks people make now can't be questioned now though.Since you know who does and doesn't have this figured out already, I think you should give up a mock.
Atta boy Andy. Only took you a few mocks to figure it out.
diesel7982
Footballguy
I'd like a do-over please.Troy Smith is a third rounder at best.I personally hoping Leak goes lights-out so that we can all laugh at the people who'll invaribly come on here calling him a 1st round pick. Will bring some mid-week humor to the board.I really can't see him getting out of the second round. Depending on what the teams do in the 1st, there are many that I can see taking a chance on him in the second, especially Tampa which has picks both at the beginning and end of the round.I think these are the teams that could obviously take a chance on him in the second (if they didn't get one of Russell/Quinn/Brohm in the first):Oakland Raiders (Doesn't seem to fit here though.)Detroit Lions Cleveland Browns (Rumors abound already)Tampa Bay Minnesota Vikings(I'm not at all sold on Tarvaris)Houston Texans Miami Dolphins Carolina Panthers Green Bay Packers Jacksonville Jaguars Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles Baltimore Ravens Chicago Bears
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Dang it. Now I'm thinking that the Lions are either going to go Joe Thomas in the first, or not improve their offensive line in the draft at all.
If Thomas, Levi Brown, and Joe Staley all go in the first, I can see the Raiders taking Sears at 2.1 and then the Lions are screwed at 2.2. Who do you take there? Ryan Harris/Tony Ugoh/Ben Grubbs?
If Thomas, Levi Brown, and Joe Staley all go in the first, I can see the Raiders taking Sears at 2.1 and then the Lions are screwed at 2.2. Who do you take there? Ryan Harris/Tony Ugoh/Ben Grubbs?
aardball44
Footballguy
Ugoh.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Really? He did have a good season this year...
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm torn on this guy. McFadden and Jones are good enough to make any college OL look great. Ugoh has a ton of SEC experience and has almost always held his own. I trusted friend tells me Ugoh is better than Joe Thomas. I think he's underestimating McFadden and Jones, but he likens Ugoh to McNeill. On the other hand Grubbs is my pick to do a Davin Joseph and measure and interview and work his way into a well deserved and high draft pick. Aubrun OLs are money.
aardball44
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Good lord I'm bored here at work...
1. Oakland - Jamarcus Russell
2. Detroit - Gaines Adams
3. Tampa Bay - Calvin Johnson
4. Cleveland - Adrian Peterson
5. Arizona - Joe Thomas
6. Washington - Alan Branch
7. Minnesota - Jamaal Anderson
8. Houston - Laron Landry
9. Miami - Brady Quinn
10. Atlanta - Marshawn Lynch
11. San Francisco - Darrelle Revis
12. Buffalo - Lawrence Timmons
13. St. Louis - Quinn Pitcock
14. Carolina - Patrick Willis
15. Pittsburgh - Levi Brown
16. Green Bay - Sidney Rice
17. Jacksonville - Ted Ginn Jr.
18. Cincinnati - Amobi Okoye
19. Tennessee - Leon Hall
20. New York Giants - Dwayne Jarrett
21. Denver - DeMarcus Tyler
22. Dallas - Antoine Cason
23. Kansas City - Justin Blalock
24. New England (from Seattle) - Michael Griffin
25. New Orleans - Paul Pozluszny
26. New York Jets - Adam Carriker
27. Philadelphia - Eric Weddle
28. New England - Lemarr Woodley
29. Indianapolis - Rufus Alexander
30. Baltimore - Anthony Spencer
31. Chicago - Joe Staley
32. San Diego - Robert Meachem
33. Oakland - Aaron Sears (OT-Tennessee)
34. Detroit - Ben Grubbs (OG - Auburn)
35. Tampa Bay - Charles Johnson (DE - Georgia)
36. Cleveland - Josh Beekman (OG - Boston College)
37. Arizona - Reggie Nelson (FS - Florida)
38. New York Jets (From Wash) - Michael Bush (RB - Louisville)
39. Minnesota - Greg Olsen (TE - Miami, Fl)
40. Houston - Aaron Ross (CB - Texas)
41. Miami - Earl Everett (LB - Florida)
42. Atlanta - Quentin Moses (DE - Georgia)
43. San Francisco - Anthony Spencer (OLB - Purdue)
44. Buffalo - Daymeion Hughes (CB - Cal)
45. St. Louis - Victor Abiamiri (DE - Notre Dame)
46. Carolina - Brandon Merriweather (S - Miami)
47. Pittsburgh - Tony Hunt (RB - Penn St.)
48. Green Bay - Zach Miller (TE - Arizona St.)
49. Jacksonville - Jon Beason (LB - Miami)
50. Cincinnati - Chris Houston (CB - Arkansas)
51. Tennessee - Dan Bazuin (DE - Central Mich.)
52. New York Giants - Ryan Harris (OT - Notre Dame)
53. Denver - Josh Wilson (CB - Maryland)
54. Dallas - Dwayne Bowe (WR - L.S.U.)
55. Kansas City - Johnnie Lee Higgins (WR - U.T.E.P)
56. Seattle - Matt Spaeth (TE - Minnesota)
57. New Orleans - Buster Davis (LB - F.S.U)
58. New York Jets- Chansi Stuckey (WR - Clemson)
59. Philadelphia - H.B. Blades (LB - Pitt)
60. New England - Craig Davis (WR - L.S.U.)
61. Tampa Bay (From Indy) - Ryan Kalil (C - U.S.C.)
62. Baltimore - David Harris (LB - Michigan)
63. Chicago - Manuel Ramirez (OG - Texas Tech)
64. San Diego Chargers - Brian Leonard (FB - Rutgers)
1. Oakland - Jamarcus Russell
2. Detroit - Gaines Adams
3. Tampa Bay - Calvin Johnson
4. Cleveland - Adrian Peterson
5. Arizona - Joe Thomas
6. Washington - Alan Branch
7. Minnesota - Jamaal Anderson
8. Houston - Laron Landry
9. Miami - Brady Quinn
10. Atlanta - Marshawn Lynch
11. San Francisco - Darrelle Revis
12. Buffalo - Lawrence Timmons
13. St. Louis - Quinn Pitcock
14. Carolina - Patrick Willis
15. Pittsburgh - Levi Brown
16. Green Bay - Sidney Rice
17. Jacksonville - Ted Ginn Jr.
18. Cincinnati - Amobi Okoye
19. Tennessee - Leon Hall
20. New York Giants - Dwayne Jarrett
21. Denver - DeMarcus Tyler
22. Dallas - Antoine Cason
23. Kansas City - Justin Blalock
24. New England (from Seattle) - Michael Griffin
25. New Orleans - Paul Pozluszny
26. New York Jets - Adam Carriker
27. Philadelphia - Eric Weddle
28. New England - Lemarr Woodley
29. Indianapolis - Rufus Alexander
30. Baltimore - Anthony Spencer
31. Chicago - Joe Staley
32. San Diego - Robert Meachem
33. Oakland - Aaron Sears (OT-Tennessee)
34. Detroit - Ben Grubbs (OG - Auburn)
35. Tampa Bay - Charles Johnson (DE - Georgia)
36. Cleveland - Josh Beekman (OG - Boston College)
37. Arizona - Reggie Nelson (FS - Florida)
38. New York Jets (From Wash) - Michael Bush (RB - Louisville)
39. Minnesota - Greg Olsen (TE - Miami, Fl)
40. Houston - Aaron Ross (CB - Texas)
41. Miami - Earl Everett (LB - Florida)
42. Atlanta - Quentin Moses (DE - Georgia)
43. San Francisco - Anthony Spencer (OLB - Purdue)
44. Buffalo - Daymeion Hughes (CB - Cal)
45. St. Louis - Victor Abiamiri (DE - Notre Dame)
46. Carolina - Brandon Merriweather (S - Miami)
47. Pittsburgh - Tony Hunt (RB - Penn St.)
48. Green Bay - Zach Miller (TE - Arizona St.)
49. Jacksonville - Jon Beason (LB - Miami)
50. Cincinnati - Chris Houston (CB - Arkansas)
51. Tennessee - Dan Bazuin (DE - Central Mich.)
52. New York Giants - Ryan Harris (OT - Notre Dame)
53. Denver - Josh Wilson (CB - Maryland)
54. Dallas - Dwayne Bowe (WR - L.S.U.)
55. Kansas City - Johnnie Lee Higgins (WR - U.T.E.P)
56. Seattle - Matt Spaeth (TE - Minnesota)
57. New Orleans - Buster Davis (LB - F.S.U)
58. New York Jets- Chansi Stuckey (WR - Clemson)
59. Philadelphia - H.B. Blades (LB - Pitt)
60. New England - Craig Davis (WR - L.S.U.)
61. Tampa Bay (From Indy) - Ryan Kalil (C - U.S.C.)
62. Baltimore - David Harris (LB - Michigan)
63. Chicago - Manuel Ramirez (OG - Texas Tech)
64. San Diego Chargers - Brian Leonard (FB - Rutgers)
Rovers
Footballguy
Interesting, Andy.
A couple of thing I wonder about regarding the Jets. Askew is not signed, and it appears he might be gone. That puts Leonard, FB of Rutgers on the radar for the Jets at 58. Here's a question.... can Tony Hunt play FB at all? He has the size to be a lead blocker, and apparently is a kid who likes to block. Might the Jets take him at 38, and use him as both an RB in an RBBC and at FB? I could see Mangini trying to get creative that way.
I'm not sold on the Jets taking Bush. They don't like any sort of risk, and Bush does come with at least some risk. I like the Carriker pick. A 3-4 DE is the biggest need on the roster, by a long shot. I think the Jets will go after one player in FA very hard... Asante Samuel, but that's about it for FA's. The other signings will be second tier players.
A couple of thing I wonder about regarding the Jets. Askew is not signed, and it appears he might be gone. That puts Leonard, FB of Rutgers on the radar for the Jets at 58. Here's a question.... can Tony Hunt play FB at all? He has the size to be a lead blocker, and apparently is a kid who likes to block. Might the Jets take him at 38, and use him as both an RB in an RBBC and at FB? I could see Mangini trying to get creative that way.
I'm not sold on the Jets taking Bush. They don't like any sort of risk, and Bush does come with at least some risk. I like the Carriker pick. A 3-4 DE is the biggest need on the roster, by a long shot. I think the Jets will go after one player in FA very hard... Asante Samuel, but that's about it for FA's. The other signings will be second tier players.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Interesting take. Hunt just doesn't seem like much of a feature back and would just add more "committee" to the committee.
But at the top of the 2nd round, that risk is diluted a bit, especially considering the potential reward.
It may have even been something you wrote that got me on to that. I have Carriker going either to the Jets or the Cowboys.
God I hope so! I like the Patriots team, but absolutely can't stand Belichick and his juvenile antics this year in regards to Mangini. I think if the Jets got Samuel that it could make the twice-a-year clash between the teams a marquee matchup for the league. I would LOVE to see the Jets stick it to BB that way.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They might not. But an elite talent like Adrian Peterson sitting there as well, it could go either way. I'm just a guy that's not high on using top 5 picks on offensive linemen. From what I've read, Browns GM Savage feels the same way.
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Whoa did Timmons rocket up your board! reason?Jarrett is probably too low, Pitcock too high. I was wrong to insist Pitcock would be a top 20 pick back in 06.Thanks for adding a second round. Quick Thoughts:- I like Cleveland, Oakland and Detroit going OL in the early 2nd. - Johnson and Tampa seems like a nice fit, but we could easily see him in the first.- Nelson shouldn't come out if he's going that low - CC's critique was right on, but Nelson still has unlimited potential physically and killer instinct.- I agree with Rovers about the Jets not taking Bush. Michael Turner should be a Jet by the time the draft rolls around
- I don't see the Steelers using a 2nd on a 3rd down RB.- Higgins should go higher than 55. I bet he grades out similar to Holmes/Moss from 2006.- Spaeth shouldn't go in the 2nd. I wouldnt be surprised if Miller and Olson are the only first day TEs.- Why would the Chargers take Leonard when their offense calls for an old school lead blocking FB?- Im with you on Irons falling out of the first two rounds.- At least one of Troy Smith, Kevin Kolb, and Drew Stanton will go in the 2nd (likely to a team trading up), if not more. Some teams will see one of them as "their guy" and we've seen again and again that paranoia strikes teams looking for QBs on draft day (see Jackson and Clemens last year).- I love not seeing Samardzija's name in the first two rounds.- Tony Ugoh should grade out well at the combine and get into the first two rounds.more thoughts as they come...
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
More gut feel. Seemed like a Levy type of high-character, old school guy.
Jarrett - Yeah. But I didn't know where else to put him. The WRs are tough to slot. I don't like him (for draft, not fan, purposes going to the Vikings)Pitcock - He didn't look all that good in the bowl game. But then that would fit right in with the Rams' long standing tradition of picking 1st round DT busts.
Responses in bold.
Quick Thoughts:
- I like Cleveland, Oakland and Detroit going OL in the early 2nd.
They're all slight reaches, but fill big needs.
- Johnson and Tampa seems like a nice fit, but we could easily see him in the first.
There are a lot of good DE's. One or more will fall.
- Nelson shouldn't come out if he's going that low - CC's critique was right on, but Nelson still has unlimited potential physically and killer instinct.
I buy in to CC's analogy with Ko Simpson.
- I agree with Rovers about the Jets not taking Bush. Michael Turner should be a Jet by the time the draft rolls around
I just go by what I know at the moment. I think the Jets SHOULD get Turner. But until they do, Bush is the guy.
- I don't see the Steelers using a 2nd on a 3rd down RB.
The Steelers are the hardest team to do. But I felt that with the trend to having two good backs to add longevity to both that Hunt would be a great compliment to Parker.
- Higgins should go higher than 55. I bet he grades out similar to Holmes/Moss from 2006.
Should. I wouldn't mind him being a Viking. But the Vikes are probably letting both Wiggins & Kleinsasser go and need a more athletic TE to make the offense work.
- Spaeth shouldn't go in the 2nd. I wouldnt be surprised if Miller and Olson are the only first day TEs.
Probably not. I was just going by reports that Stevens may not re-sign with Seattle.
- Why would the Chargers take Leonard when their offense calls for an old school lead blocking FB?
Because I was getting bored with trying to figure out another need. He could develop into a lead blocking FB, or just add yet ANOTHER dimension to a lethal offense.
- Im with you on Irons falling out of the first two rounds.
Too many questions with the injury. And he's just not big enough.
- At least one of Troy Smith, Kevin Kolb, and Drew Stanton will go in the 2nd (likely to a team trading up), if not more. Some teams will see one of them as "their guy" and we've seen again and again that paranoia strikes teams looking for QBs on draft day (see Jackson and Clemens last year).
Good point. Any one of KC, Tampa, Baltimore, or even Chicago could snap one of these guys up.
- I love not seeing Samardzija's name in the first two rounds.
Kid's a punk and reminds me (and everyone) of Jurevicius and McCaffrey. Which isn't a good thing. Plus, if he thinks he's a baseball player, then he's automatically NOT a football player.
- Tony Ugoh should grade out well at the combine and get into the first two rounds.
He just missed the cut and I considered him to Chicago to replace both aging tackles
more thoughts as they come...
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