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Polian complains about his WR's getting roughed up last week (1 Viewer)

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http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=4551

The following is from the article in the above link:

Question: A 15-6 victory over the Baltimore Ravens in an AFC Divisional Playoff Saturday. A second consecutive convincing performance by the Colts' defense. Kicker Adam Vinatieri converted five field goals and, in general, it was a low-scoring game with no touchdowns . . .

Answer: Adam came through as we certainly hoped that he would. The game was kind of a unique game, but I think it’s just apropos of the kind of officiating that has been going on. When you have blitzing teams and you allow that downfield stuff, such as what happened to (Colts wide receiver) Reggie Wayne, you’re going to limit offense. That’s the net of it. You encourage the power-running game, you discourage the passing game and if you’re limited to a running game, it’s rare that you can do what we did in the fourth quarter and take the game over with a power-running attack. I worry not so much about us - we can play any style – but I worry about what kind of a game we’re getting when we allow so much rough stuff down the field. Whether or not the league office says that was a foul or should have been a foul, I don’t know, but Bill Levy is a great official. I know he’s nothing if not an honest guy and the explanation he gave I think is what the officials have been told. That worries me some. You went something like two-and-a-half games before a touchdown was scored? That’s not good, when the best teams play that way. That’s not good for the health of the game. I think that was certainly a contributing factor to a low-scoring game.

 
Sounds like they're already setting themselves up for an excuse after another loss to the Patriots...

 
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http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=4551

The following is from the article in the above link:

Question: A 15-6 victory over the Baltimore Ravens in an AFC Divisional Playoff Saturday. A second consecutive convincing performance by the Colts' defense. Kicker Adam Vinatieri converted five field goals and, in general, it was a low-scoring game with no touchdowns . . .

Answer: Adam came through as we certainly hoped that he would. The game was kind of a unique game, but I think it’s just apropos of the kind of officiating that has been going on. When you have blitzing teams and you allow that downfield stuff, such as what happened to (Colts wide receiver) Reggie Wayne, you’re going to limit offense. That’s the net of it. You encourage the power-running game, you discourage the passing game and if you’re limited to a running game, it’s rare that you can do what we did in the fourth quarter and take the game over with a power-running attack. I worry not so much about us - we can play any style – but I worry about what kind of a game we’re getting when we allow so much rough stuff down the field. Whether or not the league office says that was a foul or should have been a foul, I don’t know, but Bill Levy is a great official. I know he’s nothing if not an honest guy and the explanation he gave I think is what the officials have been told. That worries me some. You went something like two-and-a-half games before a touchdown was scored? That’s not good, when the best teams play that way. That’s not good for the health of the game. I think that was certainly a contributing factor to a low-scoring game.
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Geez, Pollian never shuts up, does he? He almost sounds like he would happier seeing the Colts lose a high-scoring game, rather than winning these low-scoring games. I am sure that is not the case, but he ought to realize that an ugly win is still a win.

 
hburgers11 said:
he is greasing the officials for this week. Not a bad play, will likely be a different crew i would guess.
Yep. A preemptive strike.
Polian has been trying to win a Super Bowl for years. He's worked hard for countless thousands of hours, and now he's one home game away from doing it (Colts/Pats will school the NFC team). I can't blame him for trying to get any small edge he can get, especially in a game so evenly matched. He's as close as you can get, and doesn't want to go down without a fight. Pre-emptive strike, for sure.If Harrison and Wayne get flagged for PI a lot/aren't touched in the secondary, Indy's chances of winning goes up quite a bit.
 
Every year in the Championship games the refs let the WR's get mauled. Polian is just wisely pointing out he's watching.

 
Every year in the Championship games the refs let the WR's get mauled. Polian is just wisely pointing out he's watching.
I agree. Hey, he just wants the refs to call the game by the "actual" rules, and not let refs bend the rules (so called just let them play crap, resulting in a disadvantage for the better WRs), because it's a Championship game. If anything, that's more of a reason to play it by the book. PLAY THE GAME BY THE DAMN BOOK.Edited to add that I don't think the refs subconsciously want NE to win anyway. I think America is sick of BB and Brady. Come on refs, you owe the Colts one from that mauling you allowed in the snow a couple years ago. :bag: That was completely against what the rule book says, yet they allowed it. At least there are no questions as to whether that was wrong. It's pretty clear to any football fan.

Edited again to say that maybe the refs have already paid the Colts back for that mauling with the gift that was given to them against Pittsburgh last year, yet they couldn't do anything with it, lol. :sadbanana:

Seriously, all the Colts want is for the refs to call the game the way they are supposed to, BY THE DAMN BOOK.

 
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Is there a way to find out which officiating crew will be working in Indy?If it's Walt Coleman, I will literally scream.
Just curious, what's the deal with Coleman?
His officiating crews tend to throw more flags than your avarage group of officials. Like they are getting paid per penalty called or need the face time.
Actually, in the NE vs. Indy AFC championship game three years ago, his crew threw zero game-action penalties (pretty sure it was zero, but somebody should probably check that for me).In the days that followed, ESPN showed replays of Harrison, Wayne and Marcus Pollard getting tackled by DBs and LBs while passes were headed toward them, yet there were no pass-interference penalties. I seem to remember Coleman being involved in another NE playoff win a few years ago, but I can't recall the details. Maybe Oakland fans can help me out on that one. :wink
 
If Samuels or Indy's Nick Harper or any DB for either team commits legitimate pass interference, it should be called the way the rulebook specifies.

Period.

 
:pickle: ugg.... Just had to do it.
Actually, it's a Pre- :eek:BTW, this is what's called the :polian: smilie on Patriots boards ever since he roughed up the Patriots official: :goodposting:
as long as it is a fairly called game on BOTH sides then I would have NO worries about the game.
Johnny U had a good point, tho. Even if the refs decide to allow the CB's to mug the WR's on both sides, it isn't the same thing.Because on one side, you're taking away Caldwell and Brown. On the other side, you're taking away Wayne and Harrison. Big difference.
 
Actually, in the NE vs. Indy AFC championship game three years ago, his crew threw zero game-action penalties (pretty sure it was zero, but somebody should probably check that for me).In the days that followed, ESPN showed replays of Harrison, Wayne and Marcus Pollard getting tackled by DBs and LBs while passes were headed toward them, yet there were no pass-interference penalties. I seem to remember Coleman being involved in another NE playoff win a few years ago, but I can't recall the details. Maybe Oakland fans can help me out on that one. :wink
Good call purestrength. I reversed it.Do we know who the officials for each game are yet?
 
All of this blame the ref mentality is part of why the Colts don't play in Super Bowls...the Patriots are already in their heads and it's only mid week. The mentally tough teams play through anything and don't look for excuses BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS.

 
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All of this blame the ref mentality is part of why the Colts don't play in Super Bowls...the Patriots are already in their heads and it's only mid week. The mentally tough teams play through anything and don't look for excuses BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS.
I guess I missed it where the Colts mentioned the Patriots were in their collective heads? Do you have a link for this?TIA
 
All of this blame the ref mentality is part of why the Colts don't play in Super Bowls...the Patriots are already in their heads and it's only mid week. The mentally tough teams play through anything and don't look for excuses BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS.
I guess I missed it where the Colts mentioned the Patriots were in their collective heads? Do you have a link for this?TIA
Yeah, like they will actually mention something like that. :thumbdown:
 
All of this blame the ref mentality is part of why the Colts don't play in Super Bowls...the Patriots are already in their heads and it's only mid week. The mentally tough teams play through anything and don't look for excuses BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS.
While I agree to some extent about the Colts worrying too much about the refs, you would be upset too if your team had been the victim of what happened to them in the AFC title game three years ago. Anyone with two eyes who watched that game knows that the Patriots got away with murder in it. Same goes with the Super Bowl win over the Rams. But hey, if the refs aren't calling it either way, the other team should do the same thing.
 
All of this blame the ref mentality is part of why the Colts don't play in Super Bowls...the Patriots are already in their heads and it's only mid week. The mentally tough teams play through anything and don't look for excuses BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS.
I guess I missed it where the Colts mentioned the Patriots were in their collective heads? Do you have a link for this?TIA
Yeah, like they will actually mention something like that. :goodposting:
Ahha, so you're making an assumtion and stating it as fact here, eh? Thanks for posting.
 
All of this blame the ref mentality is part of why the Colts don't play in Super Bowls...the Patriots are already in their heads and it's only mid week. The mentally tough teams play through anything and don't look for excuses BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS.
While I agree to some extent about the Colts worrying too much about the refs, you would be upset too if your team had been the victim of what happened to them in the AFC title game three years ago. Anyone with two eyes who watched that game knows that the Patriots got away with murder in it. Same goes with the Super Bowl win over the Rams. But hey, if the refs aren't calling it either way, the other team should do the same thing.
Saying that "if the refs aren't calling it either way, the other team should do the same thing", doesn't fly when the "other team" is predicated more on the passing game. Like one poster said, there's a big difference between Harrison and Wayne than the WRs NE brings to the table.
 
All of this blame the ref mentality is part of why the Colts don't play in Super Bowls...the Patriots are already in their heads and it's only mid week. The mentally tough teams play through anything and don't look for excuses BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS.
I guess I missed it where the Colts mentioned the Patriots were in their collective heads? Do you have a link for this?TIA
Yeah, like they will actually mention something like that. :D
Ahha, so you're making an assumtion and stating it as fact here, eh? Thanks for posting.
Excuse me....where in my comment did I state this to be a fact? It looks like an opinion to me. MY opinion. Thanks for posting.
 
After watching the last two regular-season meetings between these two teams, I think I know who's in whose head.

But that's just my opinion. :goodposting:

 
Actually, in the NE vs. Indy AFC championship game three years ago, his crew threw zero game-action penalties (pretty sure it was zero, but somebody should probably check that for me).In the days that followed, ESPN showed replays of Harrison, Wayne and Marcus Pollard getting tackled by DBs and LBs while passes were headed toward them, yet there were no pass-interference penalties. I seem to remember Coleman being involved in another NE playoff win a few years ago, but I can't recall the details. Maybe Oakland fans can help me out on that one. :wink
Good call purestrength. I reversed it.Do we know who the officials for each game are yet?
I haven't heard yet, Jake. Maybe the NFL doesn't announce stuff like that before the game. I'm not sure, but I wouldn't mind being corrected if somebody else knew.
 
Link to Article HERE

Playoff offense is fine -- everywhere but Indianapolis

By Tom Curran

NBCSports.comPosted: Jan.17, 2007, 3:55 pm EST

In the eight games played in these NFL playoffs, a total of 336 points have been scored. That works out to 42 points per game. Would anyone think that, say, a 28-14 final score would feel like a game devoid of excitement? Nah.

Now let's go a step further. Throw out the two lowest-scoring games in these playoffs -- the Colts' 23-8 win over the Chiefs and their 15-6 win over Baltimore.

If not for Adam Vinatieri's reliability, Peyton Manning's offense might have scored even fewer than 38 points the Colts managed in two playoff games.

The total points scored in the six remaining games are 284, which works out to 47.3 points per game.

Seems like the league's offensive heart is beating pretty strong, doesn't it?

Not if you're Colts president Bill Polian.

In an interview on Colts.com, Polian chalked up his team's low-scoring playoff games to the referees.

"(The limited scoring is) just apropos of the kind of officiating that has been going on," Polian said. "When you have blitzing teams and you allow that downfield stuff, such as what happened to (Colts wide receiver) Reggie Wayne, you're going to limit offense. That's the net of it.

"You encourage the power-running game, you discourage the passing game and if you're limited to a running game, it's rare that you can do what we did in the fourth quarter and take the game over with a power-running attack."

Polian quickly added that it's not about his team. It's the product he's concerned about.

"I worry not so much about us -- we can play any style -- but I worry about what kind of a game we're getting when we allow so much rough stuff down the field," he told the website. "Whether or not the league office says that was a foul or should have been a foul, I don't know. … (The) explanation (referee Bill Leavy) gave in Baltimore I think is what the officials have been told. That worries me some. You went something like two-and-a-half games before a touchdown was scored? That's not good, when the best teams play that way. That's not good for the health of the game. I think that was certainly a contributing factor to a low-scoring game."

Polian didn't return a phone call seeking comment.

OK, where were the two-and-a-half games? The Saints and Eagles played a 27-24 thriller after the Ravens-Colts game ended. And the week before, the Cowboys and Seahawks had three offensive touchdowns in a gripping game.

So is it about the health of the product or something else like, say, getting in the heads of the officials before the Colts face the New England Patriots in the AFC Championship Game on Sunday so that the Colts' flagging offense gets some flags thrown on the opposition?

Gamesmanship is part of the game. That's reality. But to try to alter reality and have everyone nod and swallow it? C'mon. It's a good team Tony Dungy has out there. Do they really need that? Oops, forgot. It's not about the Colts.

"Anytime you get a game that's totally field goals, and especially in the playoffs when you do, without question, have the four best teams in the AFC left on that particular weekend, you ought to have more scoring than that," Polian continued. "Again, I think it's something we have to look hard at. Not with respect to individual games or individual teams, but what kind of a game are we going to have going forward."

Despite winning in Baltimore, Polian was still whinnying afterward.

Peyton Manning pursued by Terrell SuggsDoug Pensinger/Getty ImagesPeyton Manning was sacked just once in the Colts' 15-6 win at Baltimore. Terrell Suggs, right, had one of the team's four quarterback hurries.

"There were two hits on Peyton that we sent to the league office in terms of questioning whether or not they should have been called," Polian said. "We'll see when the league office comes back. There was also a low hit that I thought for sure should have been flagged. We'll see."

Wonder if the Ravens bothered to send in the clip of Ed Reed's second interception early in the fourth quarter. The one where he deftly lateraled the football to Chris McAlister before going out of bounds. That play was blown dead by the official on the spot -- wrongly as replay showed. Nary a mention's been made of that play but that was absolutely a blown call and a game-changer for the Ravens who, in McAlister, had an explosive runner in an unsettled situation.

The rules are great as long as they favor the Colts. Or Polian.

The "smarter than thou" animus is amazing. Check out this comment.

"It's certainly fun for the people in the media (to engage in negative analysis) and they make a good living doing it. It has absolutely no bearing on the game and most times, no bearing on reality. Having said that, the key for us is just to play the way we can play and not to let little things discourage us, not to let bad breaks get in the way of making the right plays. You have to play smart the whole time. The (San Diego) Chargers didn't play smart Sunday and it cost them. But in terms of picking apart, negatively speaking, any player or any platoon on any of these final four teams, that's simply ignorant.

Wait. It's "simply ignorant" to pick apart the final four teams remaining and highlight perceived weaknesses but the since-dispatched Chargers can be said to have been stupid?

The Colts have shown tremendous resolve all season long. They've overcome scads of injuries, especially to their defense. And, on the backs of that defense that "people in the media" lined up to discredit, the Colts are one win away from the Super Bowl and two wins away from the Super Bowl championship.

Polian's been this close or closer seven times as a GM in Buffalo, Carolina and Indianapolis. Oh, so close. No cigar. Makes a man say and do strange things, it seems.
 
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I just read on the Colts' Indy Star message board that Carollo would be the head guy Sunday.I don't have a problem with that. I don't recall any legendary bad games from him, unlike the two that stand out from Coleman.
 

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