Dynasty Defensive lineman #18 ranking (1 Viewer)

These are consensus dynasty rankings for year 2007 1pt./tackle .5pt assist 3pt./sack or interception 2pt. forced fumble/fumble recovery 1pt./pass defensed.

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Also, please comment on your vote, and list any player that should be nominated for the next round. By doing this we can get some good information about players being considered here and why. If everyone contributes then each poll position can be similar to a player spotlight. That is idealy what I would like to see. I definitly need feedback on what players you think should be on these polls that may not be. I do not have as much knowledge of IDPs as I do offensive players so all of the good players on defense are not neccessarily in my forward memory banks so to speak. So I need some help from the rest of your there.

1. Julius Peppers 1/18/1980

2. Jarred Allen 4/3/1982

3. Osi Umenyiora 11/16/1981

4. Terrell Suggs 10/11/1982

5. Jason Taylor 9/1/1974

6. Aaron Kampman 11/30/1979

7. Will Smith 7/4/1981

8. Aaron Schobel 4/1/1977

9. Robert Mathis 2/26/1981

10. Mario Williams 1/31/1985

11. Tamba Hali 11/3/1983

12. Charles Grant 09/03/1978

13. John Abraham 5/6/1978

14. Derrick Burgess 8/12/1978

15. (TIE)Leonard Little 10/19/1974

15. (TIE)Trent Cole 10/5/1982

15. (TIE)Dwight Freeney

18. Mark Anderson

I'm amazed at the voting so far - KVB is my pick here.

Tick said:

I'm amazed at the voting so far - KVB is my pick here.

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Yeah, me too. I'm starting to get discouraged from coming in here to check to see who people are voting on. It's almost like they're voting on players from thier home teams or guys on thier dynasty squads. It's getting dumb.

Have to go Anderson here this kid is a beast. 12 sack and not a full time starter. Just think when he is next season

The other is Ty Warren who scored more fantasy points than any of the players listed.

x260bm said:

The other is Ty Warren who scored more fantasy points than any of the players listed.

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History hasn't been very kind to 3-4 DEs repeating their numbers. That's what's holding down Warren in my eyes.

Tick said:

x260bm said:

The other is Ty Warren who scored more fantasy points than any of the players listed.

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History hasn't been very kind to 3-4 DEs repeating their numbers. That's what's holding down Warren in my eyes.

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Warren would be at the top of my sell high list among DL this off-season.

Jene Bramel said:

Tick said:

x260bm said:

The other is Ty Warren who scored more fantasy points than any of the players listed.

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History hasn't been very kind to 3-4 DEs repeating their numbers. That's what's holding down Warren in my eyes.

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Warren would be at the top of my sell high list among DL this off-season.

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Can I get some more information on this theory? Examples, articles, posts……

x260bm said:

Jene Bramel said:

Tick said:

x260bm said:

The other is Ty Warren who scored more fantasy points than any of the players listed.

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History hasn't been very kind to 3-4 DEs repeating their numbers. That's what's holding down Warren in my eyes.

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Warren would be at the top of my sell high list among DL this off-season.

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Can I get some more information on this theory? Examples, articles, posts……

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Here's my case against Ty Warren.1. By scheme, 3-4 defensive ends aren't provided much opportunity to make plays. They are asked to read-and-react in run support rather than attack and penetrate and are expected to take on blockers rather than make plays. Leaves them as an often inconsistent tackle option. Because of their responsibility in run support, these guys are often larger and not as quick and not elite pass rushers. The best of them draw double teams on every play.

2. The best of the 3-4 DE (recently Orpheus Roye, Aaron Smith) may find a way to put up 50 solo tackles or more. But their lack of big play stats keep them from consistently ranking among the elite DL from year to year.

For example...

Orpheus Roye

2003 42-15-1.5 (16 games)

2004 30-8-1 (15)

2005 65-23-5 (16)

2006 27-5-1 (9) >>> projected 48-9-2

2005 was the aberration but even with those tackle numbers, Roye barely cracked the top 12 by FBG scoring (fairly standard). His projected 2006 numbers would have put him in the mix for a roster spot but little more.

Aaron Smith

2002 55-11-7 (16 games)

2003 36-9-2 (16)

2004 30-13-7 (15)

2005 30-10-2 (16)

2006 46-17-4 (16)

His only above replacement level finish (top 25) was in 2002 when he was able to pair solid tackle stats with a reasonable number of sacks.

Ty Warren's previous three seasons?

2004 40-19-4 (14)

2005 40-27-1 (16)

2006 56-28-7.5 (15)

Only 2006 stands out as having significant fantasy value. The tackle and sack lines are well out of proportion with prior seasons. I don't see an appreciable reason for it. The Pats played a little more 4-3 this year than others but I don't think you can reliably expect that to continue.

The only 3-4 end in not-so-recent memory to consistently combine the best of solid tackle and high sack numbers was Bruce Smith. And the Bills tweaked the traditional 3-4 playbook to maximize Smith's talents.

3. You can find a solid defensive lineman (including the 3-4 DE du jour) early every season on the waiver wire. Why spend a high pick on or trade for a guy like Warren when you can find a Trent Cole, Tamba Hali, Trevor Pryce type with some good study.

Point 3 is really the crux of the "sell high" argument for me. Ty Warren is a very, very good 3-4 end. He's one of only two or three 3-4 ends I'd consider rostering (Luis Castillo would be my first choice). But there's just too much stacked against Warren (scheme, opportunity, history) to value him as a top DE. I realize at this point that there may not be much difference between the #20 dynasty DL and the player voted #28 or so. I'm making the argument that Ty Warren is likely to be way overvalued this off-season.

Unless your league values tackles much more than sacks, if you can get anywhere near starting DL value for Warren this off-season, take it and run. And let somebody else pay for him in redraft leagues.

No love for T. Pryce? He should be on this list.

Anderson (a back up) before Ogunleye or Alex Brown?