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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Banger
Footballguy
Yes, LT is the best RB in the league but he isn't the only reason the Chargers are successful unlike the Peyton example. LT has been phenomenal his entire career but it's was when the got the huge left tackle, great defense, etc. that everything clicked, he broke all the records and they became a top NFL team. Peyton is the Colts, no if's and's or but's. While LT is the best player on the Chargers they have A LOT of other very good football players like Rivers, Gates, McNeil, Merriman, Castillo, etc. (as evidenced by the pro-bowl this year) and with a back like Turner to fall back on yes there would obviously be a dropoff but it wouldn't be a dramatic dropoff. The still have a very good defense and maybe they don't lead the league is scoring but they would certainly still be in the top 1/3.
I know this is a fantasy board and things are skewed to fantasy stats, but what eveiodence is there in the real NFL that Turner is anything better than a good situational backup.
I see the highlight reel runs, but no evidence or even discussion of whether he can block, pickups blitzes, run patterns or do the little things required of a feature back.
It would seem that SD seems to think he is clearly lacking in those areas in how they used him so far.
there is a reason he lasted unitl the 5th round even though he had great rushing stats in college.
there is a reason the Chargers drafted Darren Sproles to replace him even though Turner is a superstar in the making.
there is a reason that a team that goes 14-2 with multiple blow-outs still overworks LT with over 400 touches and can only get Turner 80 carries.
Marty is smart enough to know that he needs a healthy and fresh LT to make a playoff run. But he's also smart enough to know that an RB that can't or won't block will get his QB killed.
and why did he catch just 3 passes when the RB is such a big component of their offense. LT had over 50.
Posters are gaga over his yards per carry- which is heavily inflated by his long runs posted after the defense was worn down by LT.
If you take away his 1 longest carry in each of the 12 games he played, his average drops to a much more pedestrian 3.9. His stats are inflated due to his lack of carries.
show me something to support that he is the complete package and worthy of more than a 3rd pick.
I see the highlight reel runs, but no evidence or even discussion of whether he can block, pickups blitzes, run patterns or do the little things required of a feature back.
It would seem that SD seems to think he is clearly lacking in those areas in how they used him so far.
there is a reason he lasted unitl the 5th round even though he had great rushing stats in college.
there is a reason the Chargers drafted Darren Sproles to replace him even though Turner is a superstar in the making.
there is a reason that a team that goes 14-2 with multiple blow-outs still overworks LT with over 400 touches and can only get Turner 80 carries.
Marty is smart enough to know that he needs a healthy and fresh LT to make a playoff run. But he's also smart enough to know that an RB that can't or won't block will get his QB killed.
and why did he catch just 3 passes when the RB is such a big component of their offense. LT had over 50.
Posters are gaga over his yards per carry- which is heavily inflated by his long runs posted after the defense was worn down by LT.
If you take away his 1 longest carry in each of the 12 games he played, his average drops to a much more pedestrian 3.9. His stats are inflated due to his lack of carries.
show me something to support that he is the complete package and worthy of more than a 3rd pick.
zamboni
Footballguy
He sure looked good, but Parcells isn't there anymore, so you never know.
DanFouts
Footballguy
Cause Turner >>>>>>>>>>MB3
zamboni
Footballguy
I think that's a stretch to say at this point.
fsufan
Footballguy
I do not think the Cowboys future RB is on their roster
No reason at all. Banger replied to your post and I replied to his. Just so you are happy. Maurile, your thought (just pick one) on this subject carries no weight as well. Sorry you are all upset, I will apologize so that you feel better.
My post was probably more intended for Banger.Both of you seemed to bring up that there have been lessor SB caliber RBs and Banger brought up Addai/Rhodes/TJ/Benson. I think those examples have just as little weight as the OP who mentioned that if Turner was SB capable that he would be in RBBC. The RBBCs in Chicago and Indy were not the best parts of those teams, which means it is a bad example to compare them to SD where LT is the best part of their team.
His YPC in the first halves of games his higher than his YPC in the second halves of games (career 6.1 vs. 5.9). His preseason runs were made as a starter (since LT doesn't play in the preseason), and he's averaged 8.9 and 6.6 ypc in the last two preseasons.His YPC is high because he's an extremely good runner.
zamboni
Footballguy
If you go back and read all pages of this thread, I think all your points will be addressed. Maybe not to your satisfaction, but enough to show why there's so much leaguewide interest in him.
Banger
Footballguy
Football Outsiders does some interesting stats and basically breaks down every play and compares it to every other player in the same situation (down/distance/opponent/etc.) and even adjusts the stats based on the strength of the opponent. He was #1 in the NFL last year with a value of 43.8% above the average back. There were stats thrown around in one of the threads that he's broken the most tackles over the past two years (on a % basis) by a wide margin and has the most yards after contact by far over all other backs in the NFL. Do I think he would lead by such a wide margin if he got 300+ carries a year? No, but he's clearly got very good ability.
LT is the best in the business at nearly every phase of the game.
They were still in a dogfight for homefield advantage with Balt. until the last week so they needed to continue to win every week.
LT is the best receiving back in the game so if Turner doesn't do it better why would they use Turner over LT. The only thing Turner was arguably better than LT at was short yardage situations where they used Turner throughout the year including the NE game.
This has been dispelled several times (thanks MT for posting it just above).
I hope that's a joke. Couldn't it be that his YPC is distorted by his ability to break big runs?
If you can't see it I can't explain it.
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Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
What evidence do we have that Adrian Peterson is going to be any good? We see what they have done in the opportunities that have been given and evaluate from there. If you are looking for a guarantee, you simply won't get one in this league.
People who have watched the games would disagree. Considering he has been backing up the best RB in the league, Turner has been used quite a lot. Take a look at any game thread for a Chargers game this last year and see how much complaining was going on about how much Turner was being used. And he was used in a variety of situations too.
Yeah, he came from a small school with less-than-NFL-caliber competition. He is not the only guy in the history of the NFL draft that is a better player than the position he was drafted.
They didn't. Sproles was drafted primarily as a 3rd down back and a change-of-pace back. This statement was simply ignorant.
Take a look at the stats, bud. Almost half of his fourth quarter carries came when one team was within seven points of the other.
Is there a point to this?
Not every RB is LT just because they play in the same system. I had no idea someone would need to be told that.
43% of Turner's carries last year came in the second or third quarters. You need to look at some stats before you throw garbage out like this.
What were Barry Sanders' stats when you threw out his best carry per game? What are Turner's stats if you throw out his worst carries? You can't simply throw out the stats that you don't like and expect it to have any meaning to anyone.
The fact that Dallas and the Jets seem to be expressing interest despite having plenty of decent RBs should give you your answer. Wade Phillips and Brian Schottenheimer (who might know more than some random internet poster) have seen this kid up-close and personal, and apparently they really liked what they saw.
No problem. I would still disagree though as even for the Colts, I could throw out Freeney, Sanders, Wayne, Harrison, etc. If you weren't paying attention, which I am sure you were, once Sanders was healthy again, the Colts defense helped Manning in the playoffs quite a bit.By the way in SD's playoff loss to NE, here is what each of the players you listed did:Merriman: 1 sack for a loss of 0 yards on a NE TD drive. 1 tackle of Troy Brown after a 12 yard completion which got a 1st down.Castillo: 1 tackle of Faulk on a 7 yard run which got a 1st down. 1 tackle of OT Matt Light after Philips forced a fumble. Listed (not sure what he did) on a 15 yard Jabar Gaffney completion where he ran OBs. 1 assist on a -1 yard run by Dillon that kept NE to a FG on 3 and 5.Gates: 6 receptions for 61 yardsRivers: 14 for 32, 230 yards 0 TDs, 1 INT, 1 FumbleCompare that to LT:23 carries for 123 yards 2 TDs2 receptions for 64 yardsNow maybe it is possible that Turner is as good as LT, but when I watched the playoff loss with NE, it was pretty clear to me that LT was as important to SD as Manning is to Indy. People may disagree in terms of play calling, etc. that Manning does, but LT was clearly, far and away SD's best player on the field.ETA: I think we probably agree that without Turner, SD is a playoff contender, i.e. similar to say Denver who almost made the playoffs. I would just say that with the moves that NE made, Indy being the same, Baltimore, Pittsburgh with Big Ben healthy to start training camp, not sure about Cincy?, Denver with Cutler more ready and Henry, etc., that SD with Turner would be among the contenders and fighting to even be in the playoffs. IMHO with Turner instead of LT last year that Indy and NE (maybe Baltimore as well) would have easily beaten them.
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Banger
Footballguy
Believe me, you aren't going to get me say a bad word about LT. He was the best player on the field in the playoffs, he is the best player on their team and is probably the best player in the league IMO. I don't think Turner is as good as LT and anyone who thinks that is nuts/totally wrong. My point was that the Chargers have a very good supporting cast and with Turner their year wouldn't necessarily be over. Would they be as good? Of course not. Would they be good enough to get in the playoffs? They'd have a decent shot (I still think they win their division).BTW - I forgot to add Phillips to that list
This topic contains a number of very passionate responses regarding a running back who has a number of talents and traits that I would look for in a starting back.
There is some question as to why MT lasted until the fifth round when drafted, and I believe it was noted in another post that scouts and GMs take pedigree into account as a factor of considerable weight when ranking college players. The level of talent between NCAA Division I to I-AA is considerable, as is the drop from perennial powerhouse Division I to bottom of the barrel Division I. Go down to Division II, III or the NAIA and it becomes little more than grown up high school football (former Division III player speaking). There are rare talents but many are playing because the love the sport or it is a big deal locally (small town mentality) or it was their only option/chance at higher education. I had the fortune to play against Jamie Mueller, who went on the Bills (3rd round) and had a lineman from my college who went onto be drafted, though he was a freshman when I was a senior, so I didn't have much of an impression of him. They were both dominant at that level. Mueller was as big as the D linemen and as fast as the D backs. It would take a two-legged Clydesdale to be a first day pick from anything other than Division I for the most part.
Turner has been the back up to LT for his entire career and if he were to remain there, for the rest of his career. I do not remember ever reading or hearing of a negative comment about his situation ever. That takes character. Turner was likely a star his whole career prior to the NFL and now is known for riding the bench behind the (arguably) greatest back in NFL history. Larry Johnson was in a similar situation and we all remember the "diaper" comment by KC coach. LJ complained frequently about his standing on the team. Turner has character, and remember, the SD papers do not hold back from discussing problems on the Chargers, ala Merriman.
Turner has not had problems, that I am aware of, with substance abuse, sexual disregard (define that for yourself) or other infractions. This is living in San Diego, a border town with opportunities to live life like it is a Quentin Tarantino movie. Again, character.
Turner has always delivered when called upon. I don't care if it is against the worst run D in the fourth quarter with a fifty point lead or against the top team at kickoff (not sure he has faced those scenarios, but it would not appear to matter the conditions). How many backs slack off because they are not in during important moments in the game?
His hands - I am sure the stats gurus can find out how many pass target, passes caught and passes dropped he has, but it is the limited number of passes, not passes dropped that I hear about. Maybe Rivers doesn't throw well to players he has not had time to develop chemistry with? Rivers didn't impress me much last year - please don't thread hijack defending Rivers or agreeing. Just my impression. MT handles kicks and that takes excellent eyes, hands and nerves. Try it sometime if you think it is easy. I was pulled from kickoffs because I couldn't judge the trajectory well enough to be in position. Of course, I had terrible hands too (I was a fullback).
Blocking and other skills. Rivers did not get sacked much, but he has a good O line, so I can't judge that, but I have never heard it criticized.
All told, MT is a dominant runner that does not appear to have a glaring weakness and has very positive character traits. Has he ever shown up to off season camp 30 pounds overweight or mouthed off to the press because he is not getting playing time? Not to my knowledge. I do wish he would shave off that beard thing.
He is unproven, take AD or Lynch first. Well, he has played at NFL speed for three years, knows a complex playbook and can handle the fame, money and exposure that comes with being a professional football player. AD is phenomenal and will be excellent when he adjusts to the NFL (I believe he will make this adjustment sooner than most). Why would any rookie be considered a safer bet than an excellent back up? Lendale White has not impressed based upon his character as much as his performance. Is MJD a better back up or did he just have more opportunity (I realize they have different skill sets and MJD was splitting time with FT)? Much of MT's success or failure will depend upon factors outside of his control (schedule, offensive line and blocking scheme, playcalling, etc). Ron Dayne has been ridiculed on this board, but he had at least one impressive game last year.
Giving up draft picks, is it really such a big deal? Teams draft roughly seven new players and might pick up one or two undrafted players a year, typically dumping many of them to practice squad before preseason is over. We are seeing players with ten year careers, does not leave much room for new blood. Has every QB drafted by the Packers been a wasted pick since the Favre era began? Does St Louis have any justification for drafting WR the last five or six years?
The action this off season with trades and free agency suggests to me that many teams need NFL ready players, not potential.
Turner is a NFL ready back with character traits and skills that guarantee he will perform as well as most first rounders, if not better, immediately. I wish the best opportunity to him, because he deserves it, though honestly, I think the same argument can be used by SD to keep him, he is a NFL ready back in a RB dependent offense that can prevent a major drop in production should LT ever get injured or need personal time. I don't believe I would trade that for a couple picks.
I realize I have added nothing other than my opinion, but please recognize this is a player and individuals with exceptional talents and qualities. His fantasy production may meet the top ten next year, or it may be no better than 20 depending upon if he is in a RBBC or a pass happy offense. The only guarantees are the work ethic and abilities MT will bring to the field.
There is some question as to why MT lasted until the fifth round when drafted, and I believe it was noted in another post that scouts and GMs take pedigree into account as a factor of considerable weight when ranking college players. The level of talent between NCAA Division I to I-AA is considerable, as is the drop from perennial powerhouse Division I to bottom of the barrel Division I. Go down to Division II, III or the NAIA and it becomes little more than grown up high school football (former Division III player speaking). There are rare talents but many are playing because the love the sport or it is a big deal locally (small town mentality) or it was their only option/chance at higher education. I had the fortune to play against Jamie Mueller, who went on the Bills (3rd round) and had a lineman from my college who went onto be drafted, though he was a freshman when I was a senior, so I didn't have much of an impression of him. They were both dominant at that level. Mueller was as big as the D linemen and as fast as the D backs. It would take a two-legged Clydesdale to be a first day pick from anything other than Division I for the most part.
Turner has been the back up to LT for his entire career and if he were to remain there, for the rest of his career. I do not remember ever reading or hearing of a negative comment about his situation ever. That takes character. Turner was likely a star his whole career prior to the NFL and now is known for riding the bench behind the (arguably) greatest back in NFL history. Larry Johnson was in a similar situation and we all remember the "diaper" comment by KC coach. LJ complained frequently about his standing on the team. Turner has character, and remember, the SD papers do not hold back from discussing problems on the Chargers, ala Merriman.
Turner has not had problems, that I am aware of, with substance abuse, sexual disregard (define that for yourself) or other infractions. This is living in San Diego, a border town with opportunities to live life like it is a Quentin Tarantino movie. Again, character.
Turner has always delivered when called upon. I don't care if it is against the worst run D in the fourth quarter with a fifty point lead or against the top team at kickoff (not sure he has faced those scenarios, but it would not appear to matter the conditions). How many backs slack off because they are not in during important moments in the game?
His hands - I am sure the stats gurus can find out how many pass target, passes caught and passes dropped he has, but it is the limited number of passes, not passes dropped that I hear about. Maybe Rivers doesn't throw well to players he has not had time to develop chemistry with? Rivers didn't impress me much last year - please don't thread hijack defending Rivers or agreeing. Just my impression. MT handles kicks and that takes excellent eyes, hands and nerves. Try it sometime if you think it is easy. I was pulled from kickoffs because I couldn't judge the trajectory well enough to be in position. Of course, I had terrible hands too (I was a fullback).
Blocking and other skills. Rivers did not get sacked much, but he has a good O line, so I can't judge that, but I have never heard it criticized.
All told, MT is a dominant runner that does not appear to have a glaring weakness and has very positive character traits. Has he ever shown up to off season camp 30 pounds overweight or mouthed off to the press because he is not getting playing time? Not to my knowledge. I do wish he would shave off that beard thing.
He is unproven, take AD or Lynch first. Well, he has played at NFL speed for three years, knows a complex playbook and can handle the fame, money and exposure that comes with being a professional football player. AD is phenomenal and will be excellent when he adjusts to the NFL (I believe he will make this adjustment sooner than most). Why would any rookie be considered a safer bet than an excellent back up? Lendale White has not impressed based upon his character as much as his performance. Is MJD a better back up or did he just have more opportunity (I realize they have different skill sets and MJD was splitting time with FT)? Much of MT's success or failure will depend upon factors outside of his control (schedule, offensive line and blocking scheme, playcalling, etc). Ron Dayne has been ridiculed on this board, but he had at least one impressive game last year.
Giving up draft picks, is it really such a big deal? Teams draft roughly seven new players and might pick up one or two undrafted players a year, typically dumping many of them to practice squad before preseason is over. We are seeing players with ten year careers, does not leave much room for new blood. Has every QB drafted by the Packers been a wasted pick since the Favre era began? Does St Louis have any justification for drafting WR the last five or six years?
The action this off season with trades and free agency suggests to me that many teams need NFL ready players, not potential.
Turner is a NFL ready back with character traits and skills that guarantee he will perform as well as most first rounders, if not better, immediately. I wish the best opportunity to him, because he deserves it, though honestly, I think the same argument can be used by SD to keep him, he is a NFL ready back in a RB dependent offense that can prevent a major drop in production should LT ever get injured or need personal time. I don't believe I would trade that for a couple picks.
I realize I have added nothing other than my opinion, but please recognize this is a player and individuals with exceptional talents and qualities. His fantasy production may meet the top ten next year, or it may be no better than 20 depending upon if he is in a RBBC or a pass happy offense. The only guarantees are the work ethic and abilities MT will bring to the field.
zamboni
Footballguy
You really should post more around here, RedZone.If you take away LT's one longest run in each of the 16 games he played (in 2006), his average drops to a pedestrian 3.8. So are LT's stats also inflated?
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df1wiseguy
Footballguy
I can't believe AJ Smith Visits these boards....welcome....just kidding good post though...still nobody should give up or swap anything higher than a second for turner...
zamboni
Footballguy
I thought it was kind of early in the offseason to start using the time-worn "if you took away the longest run" argument.
RC94
Footballguy
I second that notion.Excellent, not justYou really should post more around here, RedZone.
That is absolutely remarkable. If you take away 16% of his best runs (13 out of 80), he's still at about the NFL average in yards per carry.High praise for Turner indeed, Obie Wan.
How dare you step on this guys long and drawn out post.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Nice Maurile- per usual.Obie wan, go ahead and take away the best run in each game from any player, and you will be hard pressed to find a single player with a YPC higher than 3.9. That is the silliest codemnation of a player I have ever seen.
I wish one of them would grab him already.... at this point, I don't care which one.
-OZ-
Footballguy
FWIW, one of the draft analysts (not Kiper, one of the others) was on Nashville 104.5 this morning, seemed convinced a deal would happen before the draft. His thought was Turner, 1.30 for TN's 1.19. Makes a fair amount of sense, SD would be able to either take Meachem or Reggie Nelson, TN could take Anthony Spencer.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
With all the Turner Hype (man is it out of control) there are going to be a lot of disappointed people when he goes nowhere!
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-OZ-
Footballguy
call me crazy, but as a LT owner who doesn't need to start Turner, I'm somewhat hoping he stays in San Diego.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think there has been enough smoke that Turner gets moved on draft day for a 2nd & a 4th something like that.
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You are crazy. Plain and simple. Why wouldn't you want Turner as a starter somewhere else and just grab another handcuff? I can't understand any possible reason to want someone on your team to stay as a backup. If he fizzles as a starter, then I would think that he would fizzle a bit if he has to take over for LT. If he is a stud like some think he will be, then he might easily be better than the RB2 and RB3 on your team. With LT's injury history, I would certainly want to take the risk of having a lesser handcuff to have Turner start elsewhere.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't think a draft day deal will happen for the simple fact that a team will need to come to terms with the Chargers AND come to terms with Turner during the draft. I don't think any team will take the risk that they make a deal with the Chargers but haven't come to terms with Turner since Turner will then be able to dictate an outrageous deal because he has the team over a barrell. If Turner was already under contract long term and it was just a player deal it could happen on draft day but since it's a trade AND sign deal there's just too much to do in a compressed time frame.
As a guy who can keep Turner, I am looking forward to this potentially happening to team him with Willie Parker for two late draft picks. I didn't think this had a chance of happening early on, but there have been a bunch of teams actively inquiring about him. This isn't like the Randy Moss to GB rumors, because we actually have other teams confirming that they are looking at him.NFL draft andd compressed time frame used in the same paragraph. Now that is funny. What is it now, four hours between each pick?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well it might happen before the actual draft, but I think something is going to happen with Turner.I usedto think that AJ wouldnt budge unless he got a 1 & 3 but I think he's going to move him, if he can get decent value
Davej626
5.56 solves all
If need be, then Turner plays under his current salary of 2 mill a year for the new team and they work on a long term deal. There would be risks to both side. Turner could demand a ton or he could get injured early on. Either way, both would want to work out that long term deal asap to protect themselves. I could see this being done on Day one of the draft. AJ could take a third this year and a conditional first next year if Turner hits certain marks.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Just my opinion, but if Turner started for San Diego (following an LT injury), I think he'd outproduce what he would on Buffalo, Green Bay, or Tennessee (although TN is intriguing). This is team specific, but I don't see Turner on one of those teams outproducing Portis or McGahee (and we only can start 2). Now, his trade value increases, so I wouldn't mind sending him off for help elsewhere, but it's not really needed.You are crazy. Plain and simple. Why wouldn't you want Turner as a starter somewhere else and just grab another handcuff? I can't understand any possible reason to want someone on your team to stay as a backup. If he fizzles as a starter, then I would think that he would fizzle a bit if he has to take over for LT. If he is a stud like some think he will be, then he might easily be better than the RB2 and RB3 on your team. With LT's injury history, I would certainly want to take the risk of having a lesser handcuff to have Turner start elsewhere.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Jim Trotter who is the Charger beat writer for the Union Tribune said yesterday in his On-Line Chat that he wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers traded Turner to the Bills straight up for their 2008 1st rd pick. He said that AJ Smith is open to whatever kind of deals teams would offer, and something like that isn't out of the question.
zamboni
Footballguy
If the Bills offered Turner roughly the same contract they would offer a rookie drafted at the #12 spot, that seems to be a good deal for both teams (especially the Chargers IMO).
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Turner would never take that.Last year's twelfth pick was Haloti Ngata, who got a five-year contract worth "up to" $14M.Turner will get at least $5M a year, maybe more than $6M.Veteran free agents always make way more than rookies of similar skill.
zamboni
Footballguy
Maybe if they threw more in a signing bonus, it would be more palatable - don't know.The other issue is that if such a deal were actually on the table and Turner turned it down, he'd be risking going into next offseason for a better deal. It could work to his benefit, but also with the risk factors we've discussed (injury, glut of RBs in the draft, etc).
toxicbees
Footballguy
The longer this drags on the more likely he stays in SD. I think a few teams probably were willing to give up a second, but AJ isn't taking anything less than a first.
I'm sure SD feels very comfortable keeping MT knowing that their RB situation is locked up for another year until he becomes a free agent. SD is going for a superbowl, they don't need 2nd and 4th rounders. Who knows, MT's value might be lower next year and they can resign him as a backup.
I'm sure SD feels very comfortable keeping MT knowing that their RB situation is locked up for another year until he becomes a free agent. SD is going for a superbowl, they don't need 2nd and 4th rounders. Who knows, MT's value might be lower next year and they can resign him as a backup.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
People still just want to hold on to the arguement that AJ fired Marty. It was quite clear after the news broke for people who truly sought the facts that Marty fired Marty. Trotter backs it up, and even puts his reputation on the line talking about it.If the Cowboys had just hired Norv, Marty would still have a job. Heck, if Romo held on to the ball Marty would likely still have his job...kinda crazy to think about.
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cowboy homer
Footballguy
Our Titans source tells us the team is "indeed very interested" in nabbing restricted free-agent Chargers RB Michael Turner after a "wonderful visit" to Nashville last week. The buzz is that the Titans offered their 19th overall pick and a 3rd-rounder for Turner and San Diego's 30th overall pick. So basically San Diego would just move up 11 spots in the 1st round plus add a 3rd-round pick. Turner's restricted tender actually calls for an extra 1st- (not just swapping up) and 3rd-rounder in compensation, so it's up to Chargers GM A.J. Smith to accept this lesser offer in a sign-and-trade deal. However, our source also says not only is Buffalo "really after him" but Green Bay is now "in the mix" as well... Fantasy Nation is watching this situation closely because not only could it shake up the NFL Draft with exchanged picks, many experts see Turner as capable of top-10 fantasy status in a feature role
From Draftsharks
From Draftsharks
I have never (constantly) read about one subject with so much hype that one wonders if a crack pipe was being passed around.
People, Edge couldn't get a nibble for a 2nd rounder, but you all somehow think an up-until-now backup is going to haul in a 1st? From any year? OMG! If Marv makes a deal like that I'll have to go on a bender.
We know that one of the reasons Edge couldn't pull a 2nd was because of his high contract. But somehow giving up a 1st for Turner is not a problem? With a soon to be signed 4-5 mil/yr contract?
Forget the crack pipe. You all have graduated to overdosing on LSD. And I mean that in the kindest way...
People, Edge couldn't get a nibble for a 2nd rounder, but you all somehow think an up-until-now backup is going to haul in a 1st? From any year? OMG! If Marv makes a deal like that I'll have to go on a bender.
We know that one of the reasons Edge couldn't pull a 2nd was because of his high contract. But somehow giving up a 1st for Turner is not a problem? With a soon to be signed 4-5 mil/yr contract?
Forget the crack pipe. You all have graduated to overdosing on LSD. And I mean that in the kindest way...
pgreenfan
Footballguy
Edge also had a major knee injury and quite a few carries on him in comparison.I have never (constantly) read about one subject with so much hype that one wonders if a crack pipe was being passed around.People, Edge couldn't get a nibble for a 2nd rounder, but you all somehow think an up-until-now backup is going to haul in a 1st? From any year? OMG! If Marv makes a deal like that I'll have to go on a bender.We know that one of the reasons Edge couldn't pull a 2nd was because of his high contract. But somehow giving up a 1st for Turner is not a problem? With a soon to be signed 4-5 mil/yr contract?Forget the crack pipe. You all have graduated to overdosing on LSD. And I mean that in the kindest way...
