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Larry lohnson available? (1 Viewer)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
No it probably all has to do with the money LJ wants and the fact that he's a punk.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Chiefs | Running back a draft priority?
Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:12:39 -0700
Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs have met with some of the higher-profile running backs available in this year's NFL Draft, including California RB Marshawn Lynch and Ohio State RB Antonio Pittman. The Chiefs may look to draft a running back to serve as a backup to RB Larry Johnson. The team may also be willing to trade Johnson if the right trade offer came along.
Writer BS
Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:12:39 -0700
Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs have met with some of the higher-profile running backs available in this year's NFL Draft, including California RB Marshawn Lynch and Ohio State RB Antonio Pittman. The Chiefs may look to draft a running back to serve as a backup to RB Larry Johnson. The team may also be willing to trade Johnson if the right trade offer came along.
Writer BS
This is true.LJ hasn't been a good fit in KC. He didn't get along with Dicky, he says he can't relate to anyone in KC, he made comments about the offense being crappy.But unless someone really pays them a ransom, he isn't going anywhere. But they would like more depth behind LJ regardless.
Key phrase there is "IF THE RIGHT TRADE OFFER CAME ALONG"That phrase can be used for each and every NFL player, including LT2, P Manning......anyone is available for the right trade offer...This is a Business folks !! How could any owner ever say anything else ?
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yeah why would any team take an RB in the 1st round when they have a stud right now in his prime? then trade teir stud the next year. i guess there's no history of that.
who would know better than the chiefs how much punishment LJ has taken, and how long they expect him to be viable.
who would know better than the chiefs how much punishment LJ has taken, and how long they expect him to be viable.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I don't see him getting traded, but it does make sense for them to add a backup who can take some of the carries. Were I running the show in KC, I'd feel much more comfortable with LJ seeing 350ish carries/400ish touches as opposed to the obscene workload he had last year.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
His "self-life?"
i'm sorry, i don't know which is worse. my typing, spelling or grammar
Kleck.
Footballguy
At some point LJ will make a big issue about getting that $60M+ contract, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens before this time next year. He's way out performed that 7 year $9M w/ $3.3M bonus rookie contract. The last year is probably voidable too (isn't there some kind of 6 year max for rookie contracts?), but either way I don't see him playing it out. And I also don't see Carl Peterson being willing to pay him $60M kind of money.
This could get interesting if Lynch falls to #23. KC would be better off going elswhere with the pick, but I couldn't fault any team in that range for taking him based on the value.
This could get interesting if Lynch falls to #23. KC would be better off going elswhere with the pick, but I couldn't fault any team in that range for taking him based on the value.
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Routilla
Footballguy
I could see CP doing that if he thinks it will surely be an uphill battle to sign him. KC could probably drastically improve their team for the long term with such a trade assuming they could get several draft picks both this year and next.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Not too worried about this-
Any decent NFL team should keep all it's options open. Unless there is a player like Farve where your fan base would riot if you traded them then you look to do what is best for the team in the draft and any offers that are sent your way.
Does not seem anything special to me for now....
Any decent NFL team should keep all it's options open. Unless there is a player like Farve where your fan base would riot if you traded them then you look to do what is best for the team in the draft and any offers that are sent your way.
Does not seem anything special to me for now....
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Cant believe nobody has just posted the article and not gone off of what a secondary source interprets.
http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/77543.html
LJ on their mind?
Chiefs appear to be planning to draft a running back to back up or replace Johnson.
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Maybe the Chiefs are truly concerned about Larry Johnson’s welfare. Perhaps it’s a sign they believe he is ready to hold out or they’re preparing to trade him.
Or it could be just something as simple as the Chiefs doing their predraft homework.
Whatever the reason, they met this week at Arrowhead Stadium with at least four of the higher-profile running backs available in the coming draft: California’s Marshawn Lynch, Ohio State’s Antonio Pittman, Florida State’s Lorenzo Booker and Louisville’s Kolby Smith.
Oklahoma’s Adrian Peterson, widely considered the top running back available in the draft, did not visit with the Chiefs this week. Neither did some of the other top runners, including Arizona’s Chris Henry, Auburn’s Kenny Irons, Penn State’s Tony Hunt and Alabama’s Kenneth Darby.
The Chiefs were unavailable Thursday to speak about their motives. But the agents for all of the players said the Chiefs told them they planned to draft a running back in an early round.
“They’ve put that out there,” said Smith’s agent, Jerrold Colton. “They said they want the running-back duties shared a little more to save the wear and tear on (Johnson).”
That part makes sense. Johnson was the busiest NFL back ever last season when he set a league record with 416 carries, and coach Herm Edwards has said he would like to reduce the burden on Johnson.
Edwards also indicated recently there was a good chance the Chiefs would draft another running back.
The puzzling part is that the Chiefs are looking at some premier backs. Lynch probably will be selected by the time the Chiefs make their first pick, 23rd in the first round. Pittman is a likely second-round selection.
Booker and Smith, though, could be available in the latter half of the seven-round draft.
The Chiefs have an accomplished backup to Johnson in Michael Bennett. He didn’t help them much last year, mainly because of injuries.
But he once rushed for more than 1,000 yards with Minnesota. The Chiefs like that he’s fast and that he’s a good complement to Johnson.
Johnson and the Chiefs have worked on a new contract that would give him a raise, but they don’t have an agreement yet. Johnson has not threatened to hold out if he doesn’t get a new deal and has been participating in the offseason workout program.
The Chiefs also might be willing to trade Johnson if the right trade offer came along.
@ Go to KansasCity.com for a preview of the NFL draft, including video blogs from Adam Teicher and Randy Covitz.
To reach Adam Teicher, Chiefs reporter for The Star, call (816) 234-4875 or send e-mail to ateicher@kcstar.com
http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/77543.html
LJ on their mind?
Chiefs appear to be planning to draft a running back to back up or replace Johnson.
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Maybe the Chiefs are truly concerned about Larry Johnson’s welfare. Perhaps it’s a sign they believe he is ready to hold out or they’re preparing to trade him.
Or it could be just something as simple as the Chiefs doing their predraft homework.
Whatever the reason, they met this week at Arrowhead Stadium with at least four of the higher-profile running backs available in the coming draft: California’s Marshawn Lynch, Ohio State’s Antonio Pittman, Florida State’s Lorenzo Booker and Louisville’s Kolby Smith.
Oklahoma’s Adrian Peterson, widely considered the top running back available in the draft, did not visit with the Chiefs this week. Neither did some of the other top runners, including Arizona’s Chris Henry, Auburn’s Kenny Irons, Penn State’s Tony Hunt and Alabama’s Kenneth Darby.
The Chiefs were unavailable Thursday to speak about their motives. But the agents for all of the players said the Chiefs told them they planned to draft a running back in an early round.
“They’ve put that out there,” said Smith’s agent, Jerrold Colton. “They said they want the running-back duties shared a little more to save the wear and tear on (Johnson).”
That part makes sense. Johnson was the busiest NFL back ever last season when he set a league record with 416 carries, and coach Herm Edwards has said he would like to reduce the burden on Johnson.
Edwards also indicated recently there was a good chance the Chiefs would draft another running back.
The puzzling part is that the Chiefs are looking at some premier backs. Lynch probably will be selected by the time the Chiefs make their first pick, 23rd in the first round. Pittman is a likely second-round selection.
Booker and Smith, though, could be available in the latter half of the seven-round draft.
The Chiefs have an accomplished backup to Johnson in Michael Bennett. He didn’t help them much last year, mainly because of injuries.
But he once rushed for more than 1,000 yards with Minnesota. The Chiefs like that he’s fast and that he’s a good complement to Johnson.
Johnson and the Chiefs have worked on a new contract that would give him a raise, but they don’t have an agreement yet. Johnson has not threatened to hold out if he doesn’t get a new deal and has been participating in the offseason workout program.
The Chiefs also might be willing to trade Johnson if the right trade offer came along.
@ Go to KansasCity.com for a preview of the NFL draft, including video blogs from Adam Teicher and Randy Covitz.
To reach Adam Teicher, Chiefs reporter for The Star, call (816) 234-4875 or send e-mail to ateicher@kcstar.com
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Also, IMO I would like to see KC trade him. the history of a guy carrying the ball 420 times (including playoffs) is not good. Combine that with his personality, attitude, and salary demands....to me, if I could deal him for the right price, I would.
I would also say, given the last 20 or so years, KC knows how to find RBs better than anyone else sans Denver. They found Okoye, Word, brought in a used Marcus Allen, took Priest off the scrap heap, etc.
I would also say, given the last 20 or so years, KC knows how to find RBs better than anyone else sans Denver. They found Okoye, Word, brought in a used Marcus Allen, took Priest off the scrap heap, etc.
brbarnhart
Footballguy
The Saints did it. Drafting McCallister when they already had Ricky Williams entering his prime. It killed me as a Vikings fan because McCalliser was falling to us when the Saints came out of nowhere to grab their second RB in a couple years. Vikings got stuck with Michael Bennett. The Saints were able to demand a pretty good price from the Dolphins the next year.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Two things strike me about this article:
1. It's not unusal for teams in negotiations to reveal to a player's agent (via the media) that they are considering all of their options. It's a negotiating tactic that's always used.
2. It's not unusual for a writer to create as much interest as possible in his story as long as it's a possibility. The whole part of "no one to comment" about it left him to openly speculate about all the possibilities of what this might mean. I'm sure the front office finds this to be a very self serving article and they will not rush to deny any speculation on this one.
Of course if it were about the coach they'd be all over it.
1. It's not unusal for teams in negotiations to reveal to a player's agent (via the media) that they are considering all of their options. It's a negotiating tactic that's always used.
2. It's not unusual for a writer to create as much interest as possible in his story as long as it's a possibility. The whole part of "no one to comment" about it left him to openly speculate about all the possibilities of what this might mean. I'm sure the front office finds this to be a very self serving article and they will not rush to deny any speculation on this one.
Of course if it were about the coach they'd be all over it.
The Jacket
Footballguy
No.
He'll be running over and through Houston in week one as a Chief.
He'll be running over and through Houston in week one as a Chief.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Tibereas
Footballguy
Or are they simply doing what they have done in the past. They had a pretty good RB at the time in P.Holmes. K.C. with the 27th pick in the 2003 draft selects Larry Johnson RB Penn State. And this after Priest Holmes was names the Offensive POY by the A.P. had 1615 yds rush 21 TD's, 70 rec 3 Td's. So, I would think it has worked out for the Cheifs at the RB position and they know what they are doing.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Exactly how much punishment did he take as a first year starter?
ruelvis
Footballguy
its a copy cat league as they say and all 4 teams in the conference championship games had rbbc of sorts (indy, ne, chicago and new orleans). coincidence? maybe. maybe not. its one thing to use a 1st rd pick on a rb when your defense needs help but i think rbbc will be the trend and kc could very well join that club.
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Family Matters
Footballguy
Let's assume you are right for just a moment. If you are then you have to ask yourself this:Why did Indy, NE & Chicago let 1 of their RB's leave? I mean if the RBBC was so successful then why break up the magic?
ruelvis
Footballguy
those teams having a rbbc of sorts, but i'm not saying that is why they won. i'm just saying other teams tend to copy the teams that win. who knows what they interpret as the reason they won - type of defense, playcalling, multiple tight end sets etc. and rbbc is becoming more commonplace as the days of the every down goal line to goal line back is slowly fading away. your point about them letting guys go is valid (as are the points u made yesterday about negotiations, the press etc) and my guess is that part of the equation is economics. i just dont think its unrealistic for the rb2 in kc (or any town for that matter) to get more touches thus increasing the importance of a rb2. depending on how they feel about bennett (and yes lj's contract issues may play a part too) the feasibility that kc may go rb on the first day or early 2nd is not out of the question.as for any of the nfl news we hear in the next 7 days leading up to the draft, i'd take it all with a grain of salt.
Pickle Rody
IBL Representative
Johnson, punk or no punk, would look great in Eagles green running behind our stud O-line. Westbrook's career would be extended for a few more years while being utilized as a change of pace back.
Dreaming, of course, but I love to imagine this happening.
Dreaming, of course, but I love to imagine this happening.
cstu
Footballguy
Edge was 28 when traded, Dillon is 33 and TJ is 29. LJ turns 28 this year and maybe the Chiefs are seeing the writing on the wall and want to get a lot for him while they can. I don't think they are going to give him away but if someone gives 2 1st's for him (not likely) then they'd trade him.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I'm surprised it took this many posts before someone brought this up. The only reason LJ is on the roster is because Holmes had been outperforming his contract and it was pretty well known at the time he expected a BIG increase in pay despite his contract. Looks like a very similar situation with LJ. Standard operating procedure for CP. If KC drafts RB early then LJ looses a ton of leverage.
Beaumont
Footballguy
Chiefs | L. Johnson on trading block?
Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:54:43 -0700
Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs have offered RB Larry Johnson to teams in order to acquire more draft picks.
http://www.kansascity.com/175/story/78663.html
Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:54:43 -0700
Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs have offered RB Larry Johnson to teams in order to acquire more draft picks.
http://www.kansascity.com/175/story/78663.html
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Ned
Footballguy
edge was a cardinal last year. they let rhodes walk.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Just to clarify, my comment was directed to the RBBC comment he had made.As for the trade talks, I think any team out there would take 2 firsts for their RB. But no one is going to do that. My take on the whole trade discussion is that it's directed more to LJ's agent than anyone else. I do not think they have any intention of trading him. In fact the Chiefs are probably hoping that no one has an interest because that takes away some of the agents leverage. This likely has more to do with contract discussion than anything else.cstu said:
toxicbees
Footballguy
From Rotoworld:
NFL Network's Adam Schefter confirms the Chiefs have had "general trade discussions" regarding Larry Johnson.
Kansas City has reportedly spoken with the Browns, Bills, Titans, and Packers, though the Chiefs deny that any of the talks have been "specific." We suspect the Chiefs are willing to deal Johnson for multiple picks, and not necessarily a first-rounder, to address their long list of needs.
NFL Network's Adam Schefter confirms the Chiefs have had "general trade discussions" regarding Larry Johnson.
Kansas City has reportedly spoken with the Browns, Bills, Titans, and Packers, though the Chiefs deny that any of the talks have been "specific." We suspect the Chiefs are willing to deal Johnson for multiple picks, and not necessarily a first-rounder, to address their long list of needs.
trader jake
Footballguy
I would dismiss the trade possibility but LJ isn't a great locker room guy and, more importantly, because he has reached certain levels of production his current contract will void after the 2008 season.
trader jake
Footballguy
The Chiefs would be foolish to pass on that deal if it's on the table. The #3 pick and a high 2nd rounder for LJ? Get a 2 for one with Adrian Peterson and BPA...and have your RB locked up for more years with less wear and tear on his body + another player to fill some defensive holes and/or along the offensive line.
the differance is Johnson has 892 carries under his belt--a far cry from "over" (Eddie George had 2K more!)this is all a load of
, to put LJ into that group of guys with so much more tread worn off the tiresnot likely...Clev didn't sign Jamal Lewis, to trade the 3 and 35 for LJ--not w/all those holes
