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Pats are a good/great team, but on paper there were many, many years the Redskins had an all star roster. The contrary view "New England could implode with too many personalities". I doubt it but lets not crown them just yet. They gotta still play some games, have a feeling some team in green is going to scheme to beat them at least once this year. Oh and them damn Colts. All said and done I will put my sports book money on the Pats to take it all.
And.... Moss, Stallworth okay good, but I think the best "O" pick up was Welker, I see him stealing a lot of passes from both of these guys. He's the Pats Type of player. Im with you though, play first then brag.
Agreed! Some of their overzealous fans on this board, not so much.
Let's place a bet right now on who will be favored in that game. I say it will be the Patriots. $10? $100?
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I'm in for $100. Mark it down.Let's place a bet right now on who will be favored in that game. I say it will be the Patriots. $10? $100?-->
Confirmed and bookmarked.I'm in for $100. Mark it down.Let's place a bet right now on who will be favored in that game. I say it will be the Patriots. $10? $100?
sweet - you guys are not betting on the game, but instead betting on who is going to be favored? That's awesome.Confirmed and bookmarked.I'm in for $100. Mark it down.Let's place a bet right now on who will be favored in that game. I say it will be the Patriots. $10? $100?
I admire the Patriots organization, but at least part of their dominance arises from being in an extremely non-competitive division in the AFC for most of their current run.Compare the AFC East with the other AFC divisions from 2002-2006:The AFC West has had three different teams achieve 13 win seasons, while the fourth (OAK) won 11 games.The AFC South has had three different teams achieve 12 win seasons (all but the Texans).The AFC North has had three different teams achieve 11 win seasons (all but the Browns).Only the Patriots have won 11 or more games in the AFC East.Another way of saying this is that all but five teams in the AFC have won at least 11 games at least once in the past five seasons. Of those five who did not, three reside in the AFC East.Surely the Patriots have contributed to this statistic by dominating their AFC East opponents. However, my main point is just that eventually, at least one other AFC East team will become a serious championship threat, and that will make it harder for the Patriots to consistently be the team to beat in the AFC.By my count, the Pats are 24-6 against their division since the start of the 2002 season (and 1-0 in playoffs). New England is deservedly the current standard-bearer in the NFL. All I'm saying is that it's nice when a team can start a season essentially 5-1 because the intradivisional competition is so weak.
But still.
What are you laughing about? If you really are a Boston sports guy then you already know that Kool Kat is right.
<----This is the smilie Pats fans should be posting when talking about the Broncos dominance over their beloved team.
From a Colts fan? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm.
Wait, where is this game being played? Can I get in on this? If this is in NE barring some wierdness it's gonna be NE by 3 or more. At Indy and it might be indy -1.5 or so. I can't see vegas making them home dogs in any situation barring a manning injury.phthalatemagic said:sweet - you guys are not betting on the game, but instead betting on who is going to be favored? That's awesome.bostonfred said:Confirmed and bookmarked.pizzatyme said:I'm in for $100. Mark it down.bostonfred said:Let's place a bet right now on who will be favored in that game. I say it will be the Patriots. $10? $100?pizzatyme said:
It is at Indy.Wait, where is this game being played? Can I get in on this? If this is in NE barring some wierdness it's gonna be NE by 3 or more. At Indy and it might be indy -1.5 or so. I can't see vegas making them home dogs in any situation barring a manning injury.phthalatemagic said:sweet - you guys are not betting on the game, but instead betting on who is going to be favored? That's awesome.bostonfred said:Confirmed and bookmarked.pizzatyme said:I'm in for $100. Mark it down.bostonfred said:Let's place a bet right now on who will be favored in that game. I say it will be the Patriots. $10? $100?pizzatyme said:-->
I'd say best of the "Super Bowl Contenders". I think SF had the best off-season overall.
The smart thing for line makers to do right now is to set odds on what lines they will make in the fall. That would be brilliantWait, where is this game being played? Can I get in on this? If this is in NE barring some wierdness it's gonna be NE by 3 or more. At Indy and it might be indy -1.5 or so. I can't see vegas making them home dogs in any situation barring a manning injury.phthalatemagic said:sweet - you guys are not betting on the game, but instead betting on who is going to be favored? That's awesome.bostonfred said:Confirmed and bookmarked.pizzatyme said:I'm in for $100. Mark it down.bostonfred said:Let's place a bet right now on who will be favored in that game. I say it will be the Patriots. $10? $100?pizzatyme said:
SF lost their OC, and a very good one at that. It's a HUGE negative for them. Otherwise, I like SFs offseason as well, but not as good as the Pats.
All I am saying is that a great team without a decent backup can be one hit away from blowing it. The Eagles didn't make the SB last season but without Garcia they wouldn't have had a winning record, let alone make the playoffs.
2 words...JIM SORGI! Lock it up! :championship:
<br>You're kidding, right?
Vinny's always available in a pinch. He's been good for at least 1 TD every year since 1987. And they can always bring Flutie back if they need a drop kick.
BnB's playing a little bit here, but it's got a lot of truth in it. The choking part is a bit provocative, but the TD tidbit is pretty accurate. Brady has clearly shown clutch ability, but most of his late-game heroics have involved only needing a FG to win (or tie).
shredhead said:What are you laughing about? If you really are a Boston sports guy then you already know that Kool Kat is right.<----This is the smilie Pats fans should be posting when talking about the Broncos dominance over their beloved team.
He laughs to hide the pain.
How many game winning TD drives from behind has Brady engineered? I'll hang up and listen.
A team with a very good defense, and a good offense.
The Colts are a very good team. They've beaten the Patriots, and the Patriots have beaten them. This season, though, I would be absolutely shocked if an undefeated Patriots team went into Indy and was not favored. The only way that would happen is if Indy was also undefeated going into that game, which, after road games @JAX and @CAR, would still leave them weary enough going into this game that it could be a pickem. The Pats will be coming off a home game against Washington, and would have to have beaten the Chargers and Bengals in nationally televised games to be undefeated at that point. I don't think there's anything controversial about what I said, but I can understand why you did.
As you can tell from my previous post I largely agree with your sentiment. The Chargers playoff win comes close to this scenario, but all it did was tie the game. And of course there were myriad Chargers mistakes involved to contribute to the New England victory.
I don't know where to find the answer to your question, but here's a couple fun facts from patriots.com (updated as of last year):Brady threw for 53 yards on the Patriots’ game-winning drive in Super Bowl XXXVI, completing five of his eight passes. Two of his pass attempts were spiked to kill the game clock. With just 1:21 remaining, he moved the Patriots into field goal position without the benefit of timeouts. Brady entered 2006 with a 22-3 record in games where the final margin was less than a touchdown, including a 5-0 playoff record and a 3-0 Super Bowl record in such games. Brady entered 2006 as the NFL’s all-time leader in overtime wins without a defeat, recording a perfect 7-0 mark in overtime in his career. Terry Bradshaw is the only other quarterback to be undefeated in at least five overtime games, posting a 5-0 record. Brady has orchestrated 21 game-wining drives to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter or overtime. Five of his game-winning efforts have come in postseason, where he has played in 11 games. Brady has led a game-winning drive to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter of each of the Patriots' three Super Bowl victories, becoming the only quarterback in NFL history to lead three such game-winning drives in the Super Bowl. Brady has orchestrated 17 game-winning drives to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter or overtime. Five of his game-winning efforts have come in the postseason, where he has played in nine games. Brady has led a game-winning drive in each of the Patriots’ three Super Bowl victories.
BFred,We know all this, and we also know that it's a requirement of any true Patriot fan to rush to the defense of Brady when any negative criticism is delivered.I truly cannot remember when Brady delivered a TD drive to win a game. I know Brady has led 24 4th quarter and overtime winning drives. However, by my recollection Adam Vinatieri was the last person to touch the ball on most of them. You're the perfect guy to research this and find out how many of the 24 comebacks involved TDs and not FGs.It would be interesting to see this stat on all QBs not just Brady. But Brady is a great place to start.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20031103_NE@DENIf I knew where to look, I would. But this one was pretty memorable, especially since it was against the team that supposedly owns the Patriots. A lot of fans have since said that Belichick made the obvious call, but at the time, this was considered a pretty extraordinary game for a lot of reasons.
