phthalatemagic
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I think he is subtly stating his contempt for the difference between a fluid ounce and a dry ounce, I for one share his frustration.
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Randy chats with the media (1 Viewer)
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PeaceBringer
Footballguy
I think it has more to do with the patriots over Raiders.
PeaceBringer
Footballguy
guy never has been one to sit because of injuries. Heck, with vikes he was on the field with the bad hammy. When his back was giving him problems, he still played. Granted, he could take plays off from time to time, but never let injuries keep him from playing as a vike. Now with the cancer that is the raiders, particularly last year. Another story.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Oh my Holy God...
OK, for all the Moss haters out there, shut up! This guy will walk the company line because if he doesn't BB will cut his ### so fast he won't know what hit him. They already were semi loaded with a lot of new faces at WR. I think Moss already knew they were a favorite to make the SB, with him now as the WR1 for Brady who throws a beautiful long ball with touch that many people seem to forget about...this is going to lead to great things and the Pats have to be even money to win the SB. Their offense is now capable to go out and put 40-50 points on the board...yes I wrote that but its true. They can run, pass, whatever they want to do on offense now they can do so.
Moss is now back as a top5 WR in most redrafts I would presume. If we are looking at projections you have to pencil him in for 80 rec 1,200+ yds and 8-10 TD easy with Brady chucking him the ball and there is a chance even in NE for this guy to possibly approach 1,500 yds and 15 TD...think Owens with Philly in year 1 when he was tearing it up. Defenses are going to go nuts.
And how will defenses stop Maroney and the ground game now? Imagine a 3 WR set with Moss, Stallworth and Welker in the slot, Watson at TE and Maroney in the backfield...HELLO!
OK, for all the Moss haters out there, shut up! This guy will walk the company line because if he doesn't BB will cut his ### so fast he won't know what hit him. They already were semi loaded with a lot of new faces at WR. I think Moss already knew they were a favorite to make the SB, with him now as the WR1 for Brady who throws a beautiful long ball with touch that many people seem to forget about...this is going to lead to great things and the Pats have to be even money to win the SB. Their offense is now capable to go out and put 40-50 points on the board...yes I wrote that but its true. They can run, pass, whatever they want to do on offense now they can do so.
Moss is now back as a top5 WR in most redrafts I would presume. If we are looking at projections you have to pencil him in for 80 rec 1,200+ yds and 8-10 TD easy with Brady chucking him the ball and there is a chance even in NE for this guy to possibly approach 1,500 yds and 15 TD...think Owens with Philly in year 1 when he was tearing it up. Defenses are going to go nuts.
And how will defenses stop Maroney and the ground game now? Imagine a 3 WR set with Moss, Stallworth and Welker in the slot, Watson at TE and Maroney in the backfield...HELLO!
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joffer
Footballguy
okey dokey
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
OK, Moss knob slobber. I'd love to see your team stat breakdown with Moss getting 1500 yards. It's preseason 2005 all over again.
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BostonSportsGuy
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Why the confusion? What's so hard to understand?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I'm just enjoying this right now. All the negative people can keep on saying what ever they want but I've been waiting for him to go somewhere for the last 2 months and I'm only going to think positive thoughts for atleast teh next 2 weeks.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
It's pretty easy to figure out who the Randy Moss dynasty owners are in this thread.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I own him. Yes I'm happy. Randy Moss sharing the ball with 6 other pass catching WR's/TE's and a happy Moss is still better than a un-motivated Moss in Oakland....
All I see this year is 61- 800 - 7 tds
All I see this year is 61- 800 - 7 tds
Justloveit
Footballguy
With that many passing options and NE's propensity to share the ball around, the real shark move would be to target Brady and Maroney in this year's drafts. I love Randy but he still comes with risk. I'm going to be LOCKING in on Brady and Maroney though.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I've got him at 1100 yards and 9 TDs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Don't own him in a single league...yet!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Moss was hurt in 2004, 2005 and 2006...I'll let you judge if Oakland has been a quality program the past 2 seasons.
Here are a few numbers to wake everybody the bleep up.
'98: 69 rec 1,318 and 17 TD...a per catch average of 19 yards...Cunningham was the QB
'99: 80 rec 1,413 and 11 TD...almost 18 yds per catch and Jeff George was the QB leader
'00: 77 rec 1,437 and 15 TD...about 19 yds a pop again, double digit TD 1st 3 seasons...CPepp was the QB...his 3rd QB in 3 years.
'01: 82 rec 1,233 and 10 TD...one of his worst years in the beginning of his career...what a bummer
'02: 106 rec 1,347 and 7 TD...not a lot of FF owners that were hurt in PPR leagues.
'03: 111 rec 1,632 and 17 TD...what more do you say?
Then he was injured and then he went to the Black Hole...I am willing to bet on a good team like NE...much like the Vikes were a year in year out playoff team when he arrived...Iam willing to bet he posts numbers much more like his early years in MN. But we can all meet next Dec/Jan and revisit the matter as I have a feeling many will not want to post in the thread at that time. Use your head folks...look at the team he is going to and don't just wipe away 6 of the most dominant years we ever saw for a WR coming out of college.
Here are a few numbers to wake everybody the bleep up.
'98: 69 rec 1,318 and 17 TD...a per catch average of 19 yards...Cunningham was the QB
'99: 80 rec 1,413 and 11 TD...almost 18 yds per catch and Jeff George was the QB leader
'00: 77 rec 1,437 and 15 TD...about 19 yds a pop again, double digit TD 1st 3 seasons...CPepp was the QB...his 3rd QB in 3 years.
'01: 82 rec 1,233 and 10 TD...one of his worst years in the beginning of his career...what a bummer
'02: 106 rec 1,347 and 7 TD...not a lot of FF owners that were hurt in PPR leagues.
'03: 111 rec 1,632 and 17 TD...what more do you say?
Then he was injured and then he went to the Black Hole...I am willing to bet on a good team like NE...much like the Vikes were a year in year out playoff team when he arrived...Iam willing to bet he posts numbers much more like his early years in MN. But we can all meet next Dec/Jan and revisit the matter as I have a feeling many will not want to post in the thread at that time. Use your head folks...look at the team he is going to and don't just wipe away 6 of the most dominant years we ever saw for a WR coming out of college.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
He's gonna suck. He may do better than what he did in Oakland but that'll be hard NOT to do. I'll revisit this thread. LOL @ thinking he'll post numbers like he did in his early years. 
He gave up in Oakland and showed exactly what kind of guy he was.
He gave up in Oakland and showed exactly what kind of guy he was.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is the mindset of someone that is letting personal bias get in the way of evaluating. Have you ever been in a no win situation and given up? Art Shell and the dumb dumb OC who was working a bed and breakfast before he got back into the NFL last season made for a horrible situation. Have you never given up Flap on anything in your life? You have been perfect your whole life and done the most you can at every turn...got straight As in school, went thru college, went to gradschool, got a fortune 500 job...I'd love to hear how you have never thrown in the towel in any situation.The fact is this guy performed at a level most never do when he entered the NFL, but you sit up on God's thrown and because Moss didn't duplicate those numbers on a pitiful oakland team you now paint the picture with a broadstroke and act like he will be awful this season. Absolutely ridiculous IMO.He's gonna suck. He may do better than what he did in Oakland but that'll be hard NOT to do. I'll revisit this thread. LOL @ thinking he'll post numbers like he did in his early years.
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fruity pebbles
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Brady is not Culpepper. New England is not Minnesota. Two completely different systems and styles of play. Randy's double covered and Brady's not going to lob the ball up to him, he'll throw underneath to an open Watson. Drool all you want over his numbers from 5 years ago willing to wipe away 3 years of piss poor play and a laundry list of injuries.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Brady sure isn't Culpepper, or Cunningham, or Jeff George, or Andrew Walter, or Tuiasasopo, Brady has 3 SB rings and throws one of the nicest long balls in the game. people never talk about it but he rarely has a set of WR that he can go deep with. He will hook up with Moss plenty in 2007. And eventually if he shredding a team underneath they will pinch up and then he will head up top to Moss. Also the ground game is going ot keep defenses honest as well. We can disagree but I see Randy Moss in a perfect situation now.
Limp Dogg Bizkits
Footballguy
I got you the 1st 2 times.
I agree that Moss is going to have a top 10 WR season if he can stay healthy.
I do not think we will hear of any negative attitude problems from Moss next season.
I agree that Moss is going to have a top 10 WR season if he can stay healthy.
I do not think we will hear of any negative attitude problems from Moss next season.
Justloveit
Footballguy
I remember reading this exact same thing prior to both his Oakland seasons. Moss is my favourite player in the league, however I can't stop thinking that Moss is simply a speed receiver that has lost a lot of his speed. Over the past 2 seasons I've seen examples of Moss getting run down from behind by defenders, this is before he has been hurt. This NEVER used to happen during his glory days in Minnesotta, I have every one of his TD's saved on my computer and my favourite ones are the ones when he catches a short hitch and simply flies past the DB, LB AND safety. This guy could FLY. There haven't been too many times that has happened recently. Moss still has great hands and extroadinary body control in the air so he is still a huge redzone threat, however I think to suggest he could get back to his 1500 yards + 15tds seasons is going a bit over the top. The fact that Moss has been constantly banged up over the previous 3 seasons is another cause for concern. He's gonna say that he's healthy and that he's back to his best etc etc, but we've heard that all before. 1100 yards + 10TD's is more what I would be hoping for if I drafted him.
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
At 1100 + 10 TD's you are talking about a Top 10 WR. I'm not sure I get your "beef".His overall worth certainly depends upon when you can get him in the draft of your league.Additionally, how do you assess the "injury" card, the system and the teammate mix. Would you take him before you would take A. Boldin or L. Fitzgerald or J. Walker or L. Evans or R. Williams or M. Colston?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Good move by both teams. I agree, Oakland isn't going anywhere this year so if they can save 7 Million by cutting him lose, definately a good move.New England is a Super Bowl contender. Adding Moss could be the difference in getting home field advantage over the other top AFC contenders.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The same can be said about many teams and their leader? Where do you think the show will go if Peyton Manning gets hurt?
A lot of real good players get stuck in bad situations - should they all give up? Timmy Brown put up HOF numbers playing on the roller coaster that has been the Raiders. Watching guys like Moss and Vince Carter who just pack it in until they end up with a winner is what really turns people off to the modern athletes. NE will be winning so Moss' attitude will stay in check. The biggest question will be health. He obviously doesn't train like TO, so you gotta wonder how much longer he'll hold up as he seems to have had alot of nagging injuries recently.This is the mindset of someone that is letting personal bias get in the way of evaluating. Have you ever been in a no win situation and given up? Art Shell and the dumb dumb OC who was working a bed and breakfast before he got back into the NFL last season made for a horrible situation. Have you never given up Flap on anything in your life? You have been perfect your whole life and done the most you can at every turn...got straight As in school, went thru college, went to gradschool, got a fortune 500 job...I'd love to hear how you have never thrown in the towel in any situation.The fact is this guy performed at a level most never do when he entered the NFL, but you sit up on God's thrown and because Moss didn't duplicate those numbers on a pitiful oakland team you now paint the picture with a broadstroke and act like he will be awful this season. Absolutely ridiculous IMO.He's gonna suck. He may do better than what he did in Oakland but that'll be hard NOT to do. I'll revisit this thread. LOL @ thinking he'll post numbers like he did in his early years.He gave up in Oakland and showed exactly what kind of guy he was.
Fantastic move from New England that was bigger than just the move. Their record over the last 5 years was a huge part of their acquiring Moss. And a huge part of why I think he'll be fine in NE. I said the same of Corey Dillon and I think the same of Moss, he's not nearly the bad guy he's made out to be. Is he Marvin Harrison? Absolutley not. But he's not the worst guy in the world. There are a LOT of very respectable players that would have imploded in Oakland.
He'll be fine. His biggest problem is going to be the same problem all the Patriot receivers have - They're only giving Brady one football to throw for each play. He loves to spread the ball around and he now suddenly has a LOT of nice targets. But I think Moss himself will be fine.
J
He'll be fine. His biggest problem is going to be the same problem all the Patriot receivers have - They're only giving Brady one football to throw for each play. He loves to spread the ball around and he now suddenly has a LOT of nice targets. But I think Moss himself will be fine.
J
Nigel
Footballguy
I would love to see Moss take the same path of maturation as Irving Fryar. That guy had worlds of talent but was nothing but trouble in New England, then he left town, a light went on, and he turned into a great team guy with near Hall of Fame credentials when all was said and done.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Kind of sends an interesting message to Asante "Get Paid" Samuel, don't you think?
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Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
Funny. He's the first 'warrior' I've heard of who quit on his team because he wasnt' 'happy'.
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
Chris Carter also took this path. I'd love to see this with Randy, but frankly I think he's too old for this to happen.
J
flapgreen
Footballguy
Saying Moss is going to put up numbers like he did in his early career is what's ridiculous to me. He's playing for almost 10 years, been hurt on and off for the last few and mailed it in over and over again when his team needed him. It's not all Oaklands fault. You can call it personal bias all you want. I'm stating exactly what happened with this guy. I don't wish the guy to fail or dislike him as a human being. He was a damn good receiver at one time but he had attitude problems coming into the NFL and still does. That's why teams passed on him to begin with. He hasn't changed and there's nothing that indicates to me that he will.This is the mindset of someone that is letting personal bias get in the way of evaluating . Have you ever been in a no win situation and given up? Art Shell and the dumb dumb OC who was working a bed and breakfast before he got back into the NFL last season made for a horrible situation. Have you never given up Flap on anything in your life? You have been perfect your whole life and done the most you can at every turn...got straight As in school, went thru college, went to gradschool, got a fortune 500 job...I'd love to hear how you have never thrown in the towel in any situation.The fact is this guy performed at a level most never do when he entered the NFL, but you sit up on God's thrown and because Moss didn't duplicate those numbers on a pitiful oakland team you now paint the picture with a broadstroke and act like he will be awful this season. Absolutely ridiculous IMO.He's gonna suck. He may do better than what he did in Oakland but that'll be hard NOT to do. I'll revisit this thread. LOL @ thinking he'll post numbers like he did in his early years.
He gave up in Oakland and showed exactly what kind of guy he was.
Tell me how many guys with the talent of Moss has thrown in the towel like he has. You can spin it any way you want. It still happened. And not just with the Raiders. That's why I don't like him as a football player. He had to opportunity to do something most of us only dream of and blew it off.
And I never said I was perfect. Far from it.
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
This is poor logic. There were 52 other players on the raiders last year, in the same sorry ridiculous situation, and as far as I can tell 51 of the did not give up on the team.Half of NFL players play on losing teams each year, and the vast majority continue to give their all.If you're blaming the team for Moss quitting on the Raiders, you've got the wrong focus.This is the mindset of someone that is letting personal bias get in the way of evaluating. Have you ever been in a no win situation and given up? Art Shell and the dumb dumb OC who was working a bed and breakfast before he got back into the NFL last season made for a horrible situation. Have you never given up Flap on anything in your life? You have been perfect your whole life and done the most you can at every turn...got straight As in school, went thru college, went to gradschool, got a fortune 500 job...I'd love to hear how you have never thrown in the towel in any situation.The fact is this guy performed at a level most never do when he entered the NFL, but you sit up on God's thrown and because Moss didn't duplicate those numbers on a pitiful oakland team you now paint the picture with a broadstroke and act like he will be awful this season. Absolutely ridiculous IMO.He's gonna suck. He may do better than what he did in Oakland but that'll be hard NOT to do. I'll revisit this thread. LOL @ thinking he'll post numbers like he did in his early years.He gave up in Oakland and showed exactly what kind of guy he was.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Do you seriously think that 51 Raiders players were giving their all last season? And who was the 52nd who did give up on the team? Porter?Delusions Of Adequacy said:
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
Delusions,It's interesting what you've chosen to "snip" from my posting, but please review that the thesis for warrior was on the theme of physical toughness as it pertained to his given injuries.Since you brought it up though ...You're treading on thin ice when discussing who "quit" on the Raiders. One could argue that the front office "quit" on the Raiders last year by their feeble attempt to construct a team and then an even more feeble attempt to keep it together once it began crumbling. Last years Raider team was an accident waiting to happen and picking on Moss alone is ignoring the facts and the fact that an entire organization "quit" from Davis on down.I'd also ask you to tell us all if you believe the following players "quit" on their teams.Barry Sanders on the LionsCorey Dillon on the BengalsRicky Williams on the DolphinsEli Manning on the ChargersJohn Elway on the ColtsI'd say that they all quit on the respective teams ... what do you think?
Workhorse
Footballguy
Well, he just gave up $16 million in order to play for the Patriots. That says an awful lot.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I hope he turns it around but his entire past indicates otherwise. That being said, anything is possible and anyone can change. I guess we'll see.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
That doesn't say anything cause he would have never seen that money anyways. Raiders would have cut him before paying him 10 million this year. Randy and his agent obviously knew this or they would have never accepted the pay cut.
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
Comparing Randy Moss to the examples you give are like apples and oranges. The above players didn't want to play for those teams, in come cases never did play for those teams, and didn't give less than 100% when playing for those teams.Hey I'm a Moss fan and a Raider fan. But he quit on the team last year. Did you watch any Raider games last year. It was apparent to anyone who did that he was quitting on routes, quitting on plays. He admitted as much.I don't blame Randy for not wanting to play for a Raider organization in disarray. But while you're accepting their money, you owe the team your best. All the other Raiders of 2006 were let down by their organization, but except for Porter all played hard.
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redman
Footballguy
Typo?
