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Terrific frontcourt, very weak backcourt. I don't think either Rondo or West are starting-caliber players on a good team. Decent backups but I wouldn't want them as starters on a contending team.
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2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)
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ianfitzy
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True about Doc... Took him almost the whole year to realize he should be starting Rondo over Telfair. He is a horrible in game coach when it deals with substitutions, he uses like a 9 player rotation which never allows players like Allen and Rondo to fully get into a groove when they come in... Both showed flashes of brilliance when they finally got to start... Unfortunately Allen blew out his knee.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Better example would have been Penny Hardaway actually. Interesting that you don't seem to disagree with the point: sensationalizing picks happens every season. While it might be fun, and gives fans hope, it ultimately is a silly science. Felipe Lopez was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and in the story was the line, "if there hadn't been a Jordan first, there would be a Lopez" or something to that degree. Pure ridiculousness. I like Oden a lot. I think at worst you get Alonzo Mourning and at best you get Hakeem. But those achievements - which are WELL worth the #1 pick - are a long way off from Bill Russell.
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Colin Dowling
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Stephen A. Smith gets paid to espounse his opinion on sports...Rosie O'Donnell gets paid to espouse her opinions on most everything...Bill O'Reilly gets paid to espouse his opinions on politics....so on and so forth....Just b/c someone gets paid to do something doesn't mean they should necessarily be taken as wholly credible.
_4_
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You just made your point far better than your initial post. I can agree with most of it - however, you don't seem to want to leave room for comparisons. To whom WOULD you compare Oden? Olajuwon? Artis Gilmore?If I am drafting Greg Jennings, I want to know - is he providing a weapon more like Isaac Bruce or Tory Holt, James Lofton or Andre Reed? Oden is a team leader, quiet by nature, defense-first with a raw offensive game. Incredible feet and instincts along with very long arms. Does that sound like Andrew Bogut? No. That's why there were no comparisons of Bogut to Russell.
_4_
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You are a funny guy. Post more.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Not as familiar with Gilmore. Right now, Oden reminds me of Mourning. Very good defender and rebounder, limited but effective offensive game. I don't think he has near the footwork or quickness of Hakeem. That said, his injury murks the waters. I'll say: Upside - David Robinson w/ better defense. Downside: Mutombo (plenty of D, marginal offense).
Mariotti has a column in the Sun-Times every day.ditka...mike ditka
Footballguy
i say we stop this foolish Oden bucks/celtics talk. We all know Chicago deserves the first pick and will win it all next year with Oden
saintfool
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I don't think he has the quickness of a Robinson, nor does he have the hands. I think Mourning is a very good comparison. Mourning with size is a great player. Mourning with size and moves is a killer. Mourning averaged a double-double until the injuries/health took away his game.
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That's it. Keep posting!
When you can't support your source as credible, try and divert the subject.That's it. Keep posting!
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Spartans Rule
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Nobody's comparing him to Wilt Chamberlain.
BostonSportsGuy
Footballguy
Oden will be a Celtic next season. Or I will officially move my allegiance to the Clippers. Mark my words.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Your wife is funnier than you.
packersfan
Footballguy
T minus 5 hours.
_4_
Footballguy
Just because you don't like him, you call him less than credible. How do you suppose he has maintained his position at the Sun Times, added work with ESPN on both Around the Horn and PTI, and won numerous awards if he is not credible. I am sure you will say that being a "lightening rod" is not the same as being credible, but if a journalist lacks credibility, he will also lose respect, sources, readers, listeners and his job. He doesn't have your respect, but you help pay his salary either through online or newspaper purchases. On behalf of Jay, I thank you.....and ask you to keep posting. You are a funny guy.When you can't support your source as credible, try and divert the subject.That's it. Keep posting!
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Statorama
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Statorama
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I thought he meant Kareem
First off, he's a columnist and I never said he wasn't good at his job. He's controversial, and is a good writer, but he's a windbag. Just the fact that I, and many others, get upset reading his columns is the very reason he's the SunTimes' featured columnist. He's not there enlightening us as his opinions tend to change by the week. I'm sure if Oden gets off to a slow start, he'll be accusing him of being the biggest bust in recent NBA History._4_ said:Just because you don't like him, you call him less than credible. How do you suppose he has maintained his position at the Sun Times, added work with ESPN on both Around the Horn and PTI, and won numerous awards if he is not credible. I am sure you will say that being a "lightening rod" is not the same as being credible, but if a journalist lacks credibility, he will also lose respect, sources, readers, listeners and his job. He doesn't have your respect, but you help pay his salary either through online or newspaper purchases. On behalf of Jay, I thank you.....and ask you to keep posting. You are a funny guy.When you can't support your source as credible, try and divert the subject.That's it. Keep posting!
tommyGunZ
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Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.
He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.
I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.
He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.
I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.
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_4_
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So do you think with the salary cap room the Lakers would make a play for Vince Carter?
Assani Fisher
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Alonzo averaged 13 and 7 his freshman year. Oden, with one good hand, averaged 16.5 and 9.5.Not as familiar with Gilmore. Right now, Oden reminds me of Mourning. Very good defender and rebounder, limited but effective offensive game. I don't think he has near the footwork or quickness of Hakeem. That said, his injury murks the waters. I'll say: Upside - David Robinson w/ better defense. Downside: Mutombo (plenty of D, marginal offense).Mariotti has a column in the Sun-Times every day.
mr. furley
Footballguy
man those were some terrible questions
trader jake
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Its really not that much of an exaggeration at all.The TommyGunz are blazin' today.
Lakers need an inside presence....Carter would need the ball too much too blend with Bryant.
Capella
Footballguy
He's not a better prospect than Shaq was.Its really not that much of an exaggeration at all.
mr. furley
Footballguy
maybe the first time ever that Cappy and i agree 100%He's not a better prospect than Shaq was.Its really not that much of an exaggeration at all.
PadresLakers
Footballguy
The talking head on ESPN(Bilas?) just called him the best center prospect since Patrick Ewingmaybe the first time ever that Cappy and i agree 100%He's not a better prospect than Shaq was.Its really not that much of an exaggeration at all.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
so certain am i that the Celtics are a cursed franchise that i laid 6 to 1 odds to a buddy of mine that something that was 4 to 1 would not happenFinless said:
Capella
Footballguy
it's called hype.The talking head on ESPN(Bilas?) just called him the best center prospect since Patrick Ewingmaybe the first time ever that Cappy and i agree 100%He's not a better prospect than Shaq was.Its really not that much of an exaggeration at all.
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PatsWillWin
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1 in 5. so 4 to 1. unless i'm just being really stupid right now.Finless said:
mr. furley
Footballguy
i'm pretty sure that every year the top pick in every sport is hyped as "the best since X". lots of guys don't live up to be anywhere near that. they've gotta hype the show to generate interest.
they want us to believe that the #1 pick is going to be the best player of his generation... it's lame.
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PadresLakers
Footballguy
Shaq was all hype too before he was drafted. Same with Duncan, Yao, Kwame Brown and Micheal Olowakandi. Right now he is getting hyped as being a better prospect than all of those guys.it's called hype.The talking head on ESPN(Bilas?) just called him the best center prospect since Patrick Ewingmaybe the first time ever that Cappy and i agree 100%He's not a better prospect than Shaq was.Its really not that much of an exaggeration at all.
Your Mother
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Brandon Jennings gave a verbal to UofA today, so I'm ready to see someone else's basketball team (pro or college) get kicked in the nads.
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