What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Randy Moss unimpressive in mini-camp (1 Viewer)

JetsWillWin said:
mo542 said:
The real question here is if Moss is pregnant with Brady’s baby. :thumbup:
Click to expand...
Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. You are the weakest link goodbye. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. Because that's what she says on the show right? Isn't it? You are the weakest link goodbye. And, and yet you've taken that and used it out of context to insult me in this everyday situation. God what a clever, smart girl you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Dude… chillThat was my sarcastic way of saying this is a non-story; or rather, more like a tabloid story. “OMG, Moss was second in line to run sprints.” Who cares? Some journalists are just there to stir the pot. I am far from a Pats fan; however, I will reserve my judgment on the move when the season starts.
 
Two Deep said:
I would hope a veteran who is a lock to make the team wouldn't be first in line, one of the young guys who are trying to make an impression sure as hell better beat him from station to station.
Click to expand...
How soon they get to a station doesn't determine what order they line up in.Anyway, I don't think it's a knock against Moss that he's not first in line since he's new to the team. Guys like Troy Brown, Reche Caldwell, and Jabar Gaffney are probably first in line since they know the drills.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Two Deep said:
I would hope a veteran who is a lock to make the team wouldn't be first in line, one of the young guys who are trying to make an impression sure as hell better beat him from station to station.
Click to expand...
How soon they get to a station doesn't determine what order they line up in.Anyway, I don't think it's a knock against Moss that he's not first in line since he's new to the team. Guys like Troy Brown, Reche Caldwell, and Jabar Gaffney are probably first in line since they know the drills.
Click to expand...
...and are fighting for a roster spot.
 
i think the one that will benefit the most from the additions the Pats have made this offseason is Ben Watson. With so much attention being paid to Moss, Welker, Maroney etc., I think this will open up huge pieces of the field for Watson. :confused:

 
If Brady looked unispired in minicamp, would people be clamoring for Cassel or Testaverde to be starting or expect Brady to bomb?

 
burd said:
i think the one that will benefit the most from the additions the Pats have made this offseason is Ben Watson. With so much attention being paid to Moss, Welker, Maroney etc., I think this will open up huge pieces of the field for Watson. :confused:
Click to expand...
From what I've been hearing, I think Watson may actually lose out with all the additions to the team. NE seems to like Mills and Thomas in addition to having the other Brady as a replacement to Graham as a blocking TE. Add in all the other options now at WR and guys coming out of the backfield and there may not be a lot of looks left for Watson. He may do slightly better when he catches the ball, but there has been a lot of conjecture around here that Watson may be the one that gets a smaller piece of the pie. If nothing else, it does not appear that Benjamin will be on the field every down with the varied sets the Pats run and you can't catch anything when you are on the sidelines.
 
Banger said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Two Deep said:
I would hope a veteran who is a lock to make the team wouldn't be first in line, one of the young guys who are trying to make an impression sure as hell better beat him from station to station.
Click to expand...
How soon they get to a station doesn't determine what order they line up in.Anyway, I don't think it's a knock against Moss that he's not first in line since he's new to the team. Guys like Troy Brown, Reche Caldwell, and Jabar Gaffney are probably first in line since they know the drills.
Click to expand...
...and are fighting for a roster spot.
Click to expand...
Yes, the Patriots are kind of unique in that respect.In Indy, Harrison and Wayne would go first. In Cincy, C.Johnson and Houshmandzadeh would go first. Etc.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
You guys are all concentrating on the wrong story- Moss SHOWED UP for practice! Stupid negative liberal media. Moss just jumped up 3 spots on my draft board- to 38th. DJ Hackett better watch his ### or he might get passed up.

I still think Moss gets cut from this team at some point.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
David Yudkin said:
If Brady looked unispired in minicamp, would people be clamoring for Cassel or Testaverde to be starting or expect Brady to bomb?
Click to expand...
If Brady was generally unimpressive for the last three years, had a serious reputation for a poor work ethic, and was going to a brand new team with a brand new scheme, maybe.Look training camp means very little and minicamp means even less, everybody knows this. HOWEVER, if I knew I had a rep as a bad character guy and I really WASN'T a bad character guy, I'd be tempted to bust my ### in minicamp, even if it was ONLY for the sake of appearences. Whether it's fair or not, he's under a microscope and he knows it.IF this report is accurate (who knows), it simply shows that Moss hasn't changed from a personality standpoint, which is no real surprise (not many expected him too). In the old days, it didn't matter - his talent made it irrelavent. I'm not so sure that's the case anymore.
 
Being a MN homer and having watched Randy play for years this is typical Moss. He works hard when Randy feels like. I not sure what type of season Moss will have, but I do predict he make the NE papers sports section the most interesting section of the paper to read. First game that Brady only throws the ball two times to Moss, will have Randy talking :banned:

 
(haven't read whole thread in case some of this is redundant)...

a big question with moss is will he be physically as dominant as he once was...

lets face it, he has never been confused with the precision route running of harrison & holt or the toughness to go over the middle of TO & hines ward... he is about the fly pattern... run long, go over the top of two DBs & get a long bomb or TD...

is he still that physically dominant (in a way we haven't seen in a few seasons) that he can routinely split & go over the top of double coverage... i'm not so sure...

i did enjoy woods outstanding spotlight in the magazine previews...

an excellent point made in his favor as a rejoinder to the concern that NE distributes the ball so much is that brady has never before had a WR with the talent of moss (paralleling the PHI & TO situation a few seasons ago)...

but by the same rationale, brady has never had a WR2 as good as stallworth... or a WR3 as good as welker... so it is unclear whether he really will target moss a massively disproportionate number of times, imo...

 
Jason Wood said:
Moss is going to win me a lot of fantasy titles this year :X
Click to expand...
I thought that, too,last year when I "stole" him in the 3rd round of 3 redrafts as a WR2. Man, I sure felt good about those drafts walking out of the draftroom. Luster waned soon after.
 
jurb26 said:
Well, there's another writer with zero credibility.
Click to expand...
sad, but true.For those outside of NE that are not familiar with Felger, read on. You'll find that he's an excellent resource for you if you are digging up "sources" and links to bash NE.

Felger is a Wisconsin native (and Packer fan) who writes for the Boston Herald.

He took over as the Pats beat writer after the well repected Kevin Mannix left the job.

Felger had big shoes to fill in Mannix's absence and tried to do so by being a contrarian. Still, it was Ron Borges (of the rival Boston Globe) who was recognized as the tue Patriots critic in NE and as such, Felger's "act" was the second-rate version... until Borges was busted for plagiarism. Now, with only one Pats-bashing show in town, Felger has turned it up a notch.

Here are some of the articles/antics from Felger over the last year (or so):

Patriots' draft shuns defensive side (may, 2006):

Felger rips NE's draft because they didnt' take any defensive players. "The most glaring need on the team remains at linebacker where Willie McGinest left in free agency, and no attractive option remains"

Branch may go out on limb to get paid:

one of many Felger articles slanted in Branch's favor. "That's not the way anyone treated Richard Seymour's absence at this time last year... Branch is too dedicated and too hard-working for there not to be a message to his absence. He's always been here in the past."

Felger on numerous occasions pointed to the Givens contract and used the logic that if Givens is a borderline #1 WR, Branch is surely a #1 and should be paid as such.

Guidance counselor

Dillon enlightens this columnist:

Felger begins his attack on Corey Dillon and starts to churn the "RB Controversy (Dillon/Maroney). His pressing questions after mini-camp are over-the-top. Felger writes about Dillon being, "defiant when asked if he welcomes the challenge for his job at this stage of his career." Despite Dillon's claims that he'll mentor the rookie RB and that the high ankle sprain was a big factor in the sub-par '05 season, Felger continues to press with scathing questions.

Paxton won't make snap decision on kicker

(aug 2006)

Felger keying on the Adam Vinatieri loss is fishing for a player's quote to support the assertion that Vinatieri's departure is the final straw that will collapse the NE Dynasty. Longsnapper Paxton however, doesn't give up the damning quote and that's all Felger can write about.

Pre season Notes:

(aug 2006)

"Cassel has had an up-and-down camp so far, which can also be said of the Pats' offense as a whole. Like [Tom Brady], Cassel has been hurt throwing to a group of receivers who probably don't belong in the NFL."

Patriots 19, Bills 17

(sept 06)

after a tough divisional game Felger is his usual positive self with comments like:

"Yet the Bills still were able to move the ball easily at times"

"You can take the optimistic approach and say that when Branch comes back and the Pats get totally healthy, a lot of their problems will correct themselves. Or you can be realistic and acknowledge... (insert litany of problems with NE team)"

PATRIOTS 24

((sept 06)

after a divisional win over the NYJ, Felger sums up NE 2-0 start with this gem: "Jets and Buffalo Bills, the Pats' Week 1 opponent, WON'Tbeat you even if you give them the opportunity to do so. And that's why the Pats feel very much like an imperfect 2-0 team."

BRONCOS 17, PATRIOTS 7

(sept 06)

After a loss to the Broncos, Felger can really go off on the Pats for both their on-field play and their front office decisions:

"Brady is in his prime, yet this offseason the Pats bid adieu to his No. 1 and No. 2 receivers, Branch and [David Givens], and the only reason was money (which the Pats have ample amounts of, both in terms of cap dollars and real cash). How can that feel good to him?

There's also this: When Brady signed his big contract extension just more than years ago, he did it with the idea that if he took a little less, the Pats would have a little more capital to spread around to the rest of the roster. Brady did it for the express purpose of KEEPINGplayers like Branch and Givens."

IN A DREAMWORLD, RANDY'D BE DANDY

(Oct 2006)

Felger, in '06, writes that it would be a good idea for NE to go ofter Moss with a 1st round pick and 4.85mil cap hit.

It's ironic that in '07 NE did land Moss (at a much cheaper, 4th round pick, $3mil cap hit) and now Felger's crucifying them for it.

here's the quote:

"On some levels, of course he would. Tom Brady has never had the benefit of a big, fast playmaker in his receiving corps, and [Randy Moss] is about as big and fast as it gets. If Moss played anywhere near his capabilities, he would open up huge avenues for the running backs and, especially, the tight ends. He would make the offense truly explosive, not just occasionally so. If Brady was upset over the losses of David Givens and Deion Branch, then a Moss trade would be a sign from the organization that it's committed to keeping Brady in the best position to succeed.

Bringing Moss to New England would also display the type of monetary commitment to the 2006 season that has been missing from the front office thus far. The Pats are still sitting with $10 million in cap room. Let's say Moss is traded just prior to the Oct. 17 deadline. At that point, Moss' remaining 2006 salary, which was $7.5 million to begin the season, would be a more reasonable $4.85 million. Cap-wise he would fit.

As for draft pick compensation, the Pats have the ammunition to meet the Raiders' needs. The Pats have Seattle's 2007 first-round pick (from the Branch trade) as well as their own first-rounder. When Moss went from the Vikings to the Raiders in 2005, it cost Oakland first- and seventh-round draft picks as well as linebacker Napoleon Harris, who is starting with the Vikings. If Moss were moved this fall, he would go for less."

PATRIOTS 17, BEARS 13

(Nov 2006)

Felger sums up NE big win over the elite NFC team with another back-handed compliment:

"You can say they got away with it because Bears quarterback Rex Grossman (three interceptions, fumble) was as single-handedly careless as the Pats were. You can say the Pats got away with it because the Bears are from the NFC and that only elite AFC teams really make you pay for those mistakes."

PATRIOTS 28, LIONS 21

(dec 2006)

After a physically beat up (from last week's CHI game) Pats team notches a win over the Lions, Felger again can't give NE much credit. He criticizes their play calling (harping on the lossed of Weiss, etc which is ancient history by now).

"...the Pats put up 15 late points to earn the harder- than-necessary victory over the lowly Lions."

"Brady is so good out of the alignment, why don't we see it more often? Under former offensive coordinator [Charlie Weis], the spread was a staple, but under Belichick and McDaniels it's more of a change of pace."

 
Agree with Cecil and Bloom,

I got a very different take from Patriots Insider Mike Reiss from our Footballguys Audible interview with him.

I've said it since the trade. Moss will be fine. He'll turn out to be about as much the "bad apple / cancer" as Corey Dillon was in New England.

J

http://www.footballguys.com/07interviews_reiss.php

Interview with Patriots Insider Mike Reiss (Boston Globe)

Posted 6/13 by Cecil Lammey and Sigmund Bloom, Exclusive to Footballguys.com

Cecil Lammey: The Patriots, after one of the busiest offseasons they've had in a while, have put themselves right back up at the top of the heap. Of course, last year, they were right there, going to the AFC Championship game against the Colts, such an exciting game, but now let's talk about the guy that everyone's talking about. It's Randy Moss. Does he come back to Earth; does he get a little grounded being on a championship caliber team?

Mike Reiss: I think so guys. I watched him at a recent three day minicamp, and I'm impressed. This isn't a player that is coming out there and showing any errors. He just wants to fit in. He was running with quote-unquote the second string, and he was doing just fine with the way it works. To me, when I look at this situation, this is a competitive guy, who wants to be in a competitive winning environment. As long as Tom Brady stays healthy, he's going to get that in New England. You know guys, I think it's going to work out all right.

Sigmund Bloom: Mike, let's talk about a player that is going to step up and hopefully for the Patriots play a huge role, now that Corey Dillon has moved, possibly retired. Laurence Maroney - now the big question mark for Maroney is the shoulder. He had offseason shoulder surgery, some reports of him maybe favoring the shoulder or being a little ginger with the shoulder. Is this a case where we need to see him in the preseason, lower the shoulder, a running back needs to trust his shoulders to be effective, or is this just a normal part of the recovery, and he should be fine?

MR: I think anytime a player undergoes shoulder surgery, especially at the running back position where you take so many hits, I think it has to be a concern. I think you do have to wait and see. I do think that the Patriots think that he's young, at a point in his career where he can bounce back from it. Certainly there is some concern there with the Patriots, and that's going to be something to watch. Now at this minicamp, we're talking about reports where he was maybe favoring it and whatnot - he did not do really anything at this minicamp. He just came out and essentially watched it. There's no doubt, he's limited right now in what he can do. I think I'd be careful about reading too much into that because anytime you're coming back from surgery, there is rehab that you're going through, and he's certainly not 100% at this point.

CL: Now when you look at Laurence Maroney, certainly a (possible) superstar in this league, has the potential to be one of the top five backs in this league. Let's talk about the running backs behind him, because if Maroney is banged up, it'll be probably a running back by committee with Sammy Morris, of course the great Kevin Faulk, and Justise Hairston, the kid out of Central Connecticut. What do you think of these backups there behind Maroney?

MR: It's interesting because I think if you asked a lot of people and asked them, who would you rather have Corey Dillon or Sammy Morris, I think most people would say Corey Dillon simply based on the name recognition. The way the Patriots look at it, they think Maroney's going to be back and they're going to give him more carries than he had last year. I think they've used Sammy Morris probably as a better compliment at this point than Corey Dillon, and it's for a few reasons. One, I think they view Morris as someone that can give them six to eight carries a game on early downs, and even back up on third down if Kevin Faulk has any injury problems. He also can give some value on special teams. I think in terms of the full picture, they like the running backs they have, but you bring up an interesting point - if Maroney goes down, is Morris the guy that can handle a full time load? Really, his career high was 132 carries back in 2004. You've got to have some concerns there, but I don't think Dillon could do it in this point in his career either. I think if that happens, the Patriots could be in some trouble if Maroney goes down.

SB: Mike, let's talk a little bit about the other side of the ball. There's currently a standoff with Asante Samuel having the franchise tag on him. We see these kinds of standoffs every offseason. We were just talking to John Crist from the Bear Report, about Lance Briggs; he seems to think that once Briggs starts to think about those game checks not coming in at the franchise tag level, he'll report to camp. Do you foresee a similar scenario unfolding with Asante Samuel, or could this get ugly?

MR: I see a similar situation unfolding, but of course it could always get ugly. If you're asking me to predict what's going to happen, I think when the season's about to start and Asante Samuel asks himself, "Am I a sane individual, for turning my back on eight million dollars this year?", I think he'll show up for the start of the season, I do.

CL: Asante Samuel certainly a great playmaker, let's go back to the wide receiver corps. We talk about Randy Moss. Donte Stallworth, if healthy, that's the key with Stallworth, he's certainly a playmaker, but the guy I really like, and Bloom loves him too, is Wes Welker coming over from the Dolphins. This guy is basically a new Troy Brown, wouldn't you say?

MR: I would. Very impressive - you look at the Patriots offense and what they want to do this year, I think you can make a case that Welker might lead the team in receptions. Coming off a career high 67 catch season last year in Miami, and with Tom Brady throwing the ball, that number could go even higher. He's going to play out of the slot, and the Patriots, in that position, look for a guy in the intermediate routes who can operate in tight spaces, get in and out of his cuts quickly, and Welker has looked terrific. I know that they haven't had pads on in these practices, but very impressive, you can already see the rapport developing with Tom Brady the quarterback. I'd say if you're looking for a guy to really emerge, if you're a fantasy football player out there, don't turn your back on Wes Welker, I think he's going to be a big time part of this offense this season.

SB: Mike, speaking of targets for Tom Brady, you just wrote this week about a possible emerging target, a guy that they drafted in the fourth round last year. Great hands out of Tulsa, extremely productive in college, really chalked up all of 2006 to injury. We're seeing Garrett Mills take more of a role in the practices, now you said maybe he could play a Larry Centers role. Do you see him hitting the ground running and becoming an important target for Tom Brady out of the backfield?

MR: Well, I think he's going to face a long battle. He looked good in the practices, but I guess I'd caution against saying - no pads, and this was a player who was undersized a little bit coming out of college, I don't think I'd go that far yet. He looked good in shorts and a T-shirt, and I guess I'll leave it at that. You look at the depth chart for the Patriots. Mills is sort of a hybrid tight end/running back, so I guess you'd put him in the H-back category. You look at who they have at tight end, Kyle Brady's going to be on the roster, David Thomas, a second year guy who showed a lot of promise last year, is going to be on the roster at tight end behind Brady, and then you also have Benjamin Watson, who's probably tops in that group. If Garrett Mills is going to make it in that tight end group, he's probably going to be the fourth guy. I think he faces an uphill battle, but he's certainly going to make it tough on the coaches if he performs like he did, like what I saw here in this recent minicamp.

CL: Mike, my last question has to do with another acquisition the Patriots had, another big name. Of course it's Adalius Thomas. How do you see him fitting in with this championship defense?

MR: They worked Adalius Thomas a lot of inside linebacker, which I thought was interesting, in the Patriots 3-4 defense, because Thomas is primarily an outside guy. He's been touted for his versatility and played a lot of different slots in Baltimore, but if you ask Ozzie Newsome, the GM in Baltimore, he'll tell you, now most of the time, you had Thomas at outside linebacker. Patriots are working him a little bit on the inside at the recent minicamp, and that's going to be something interesting to watch - how that evolves when they put on the pads in training camp. No doubt about it, he's going to be on the field on first down, second down, third down. They might take him off on fourth down to keep him fresh, but they have big plans for Adalius Thomas.

SB: Mike, my last question for you has to do with one of the grand old statesmen of the NFL, if you will, at 43 years old now, Vinny Testaverde, still doing it in minicamp, in the practices, is there any chance that he could make the final roster and possibly back up Tom Brady this year?

MR: It's an interesting situation with Testaverde and I'm curious to see how it unfolds, because clearly, the Patriots either have interest in him or have some concerns with their backup quarterback, Matt Cassel. The fact that Testaverde was at minicamp, technically now, he's not signed, he's still a free agent, but it tells me that they do have him as part of their plans, the question is how far are they going to take this? Are they going to sign him and run him through a training camp, or is he on your quote-unquote short list, where if you have an injury, and you need someone in a pinch, he'd be the guy. So I can't tell you which way it's going to go, but there's no doubt about it, if you're going to devote time and give the guy some snaps in this minicamp, it tells you that the Patriots still have interest, and they still believe Vinny Testaverde in a possible emergency situation, could help them out in their eyes.

CL: The Patriots going to make another championship run, and if you want to know everything about the Patriots, of course you read Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe. Mike, thanks for joining the show.

MR: All right. guys, thanks for having me, take care.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Ive written off Moss a long time ago. However if he were to break out this would probably be the right situation, I dont see it happening though.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Ministry of Pain
It felt good on Draft Night but now you have to actually start'em...Who Should I Start Thread "OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL"
3 4 5
Replies
206
Views
8K
Hot Sauce Guy
Hot Sauce Guy
JohnnyU
RB Tyrone Tracy Jr., NYG
7 8 9
Replies
420
Views
26K
Payne
P
BobbyLayne
Sonic & Knuckles (Gibbs + Montgomery) want to be the best RB duo of all time
Replies
24
Views
1K
BobbyLayne
BobbyLayne

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top