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Player Spotlight: Chester Taylor (1 Viewer)

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2007 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Chester Taylor, RB, Minnesota Vikings

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I don't like this situation at all from a fantasy perspective. My guess is Childress with rely heavily on the running game and try to split carries between his two runners. I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor. Both players should be good #3 RBs/spot starters.

240 carries

960 yards rushing

5 rushing TDs

30 receptions

225 yards recieving

1 recieving TD

 
Chester Taylor

2006 - a great situation, with a huge opportunity to impress.

2007 - second string back up to the number 7 pick in the draft. How the mighty have fallen.

I forsee a straight back up here - with several key drops, as well as fumbles at key situations in 2006, he earned himself a role as the water boy unless A.P. can't do it. No one takes a RB at #7 unless they expect serious output and is given a full chance to perform. Especially when the competition for said #7 draft pick couldnt hold onto the ball. Ergo, CT is on the pine.

Rushes - 120

Rushing Yards - 340

Rush TDs - 2

Receptions - 15

Receiving Yards - 150

Receiving TDs - 0

 
smackdaddies said:
Chester Taylor2006 - a great situation, with a huge opportunity to impress.2007 - second string back up to the number 7 pick in the draft. How the mighty have fallen.I forsee a straight back up here - with several key drops, as well as fumbles at key situations in 2006, he earned himself a role as the water boy unless A.P. can't do it. No one takes a RB at #7 unless they expect serious output and is given a full chance to perform. Especially when the competition for said #7 draft pick couldnt hold onto the ball. Ergo, CT is on the pine.Rushes - 120Rushing Yards - 340Rush TDs - 2Receptions - 15Receiving Yards - 150Receiving TDs - 0
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A 2.8 ypc???
 
David Yudkin said:
smackdaddies said:
Chester Taylor2006 - a great situation, with a huge opportunity to impress.2007 - second string back up to the number 7 pick in the draft. How the mighty have fallen.I forsee a straight back up here - with several key drops, as well as fumbles at key situations in 2006, he earned himself a role as the water boy unless A.P. can't do it. No one takes a RB at #7 unless they expect serious output and is given a full chance to perform. Especially when the competition for said #7 draft pick couldnt hold onto the ball. Ergo, CT is on the pine.Rushes - 120Rushing Yards - 340Rush TDs - 2Receptions - 15Receiving Yards - 150Receiving TDs - 0
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A 2.8 ypc???
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I know it's low. I took CT last year in R4 of a 12 team ppr league and was happy to, so dont think me as a CT haterI see a guy on the pine without alot of incentive to perform, getting chances when Minn is ahead (which wont be very often) or behind (which will happen often) and the D he is facing tee'ng off.Think of it this way - Minn has a terrible QB, poor (terrible?) recievers, and a good running game. D's will focus on stopping the run, because Minnesota has nothing else. I see Minn RB as a situational play. Start AP against GB and Det, sit v. Chicago (etc). AP gets the majority of the carries, CT joins the other Minn RB in getting a few carries per game.
 
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.

 
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I'm not disagreeing you you, but I will ask this . . .Did Bush push McAllister to the curb?

How about Brown and Rickey Williams?

Or Benson and Thomas Jones?

Stephen Jackson and Marshall Faulk?

Maroney and Dillon?

DeAngelo Williams and Foster?

Addai and Rhodes?

LJ and Priest Holmes?

IIRC, the only top rookie RB that came in and started right away was Caddy. In most other situations, it was a RBBC (or worse) for the rookie.

I concur that Taylor may not be anywhere near as talented as some of the other vets on this list, and ADP may be more talented than others on this list, but I think Taylor will still get at least a fair amount of the workload this year.

 
David Yudkin said:
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I'm not disagreeing you you, but I will ask this . . .Did Bush push McAllister to the curb?

How about Brown and Rickey Williams?

Or Benson and Thomas Jones?

Stephen Jackson and Marshall Faulk?

Maroney and Dillon?

DeAngelo Williams and Foster?

Addai and Rhodes?

LJ and Priest Holmes?

IIRC, the only top rookie RB that came in and started right away was Caddy. In most other situations, it was a RBBC (or worse) for the rookie.

I concur that Taylor may not be anywhere near as talented as some of the other vets on this list, and ADP may be more talented than others on this list, but I think Taylor will still get at least a fair amount of the workload this year.
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Fair pionts, but I just think that ADP comes in with more "buzz" than most of those guys. And the ones that were drafted in roughly the same spot (Brown and Benson), there were extenuating circumstances: Brown had a very proven guy in Ricky to contend with (reefer and all), while Benson put himself behind the 8-ball right off the bat.I agree that Taylor won't be merely riding the pine, but I think he'll be more of the 3rd down back with AP being the primary 1st/2nd down guy. Just a hunch though.

 
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As you can see from my Peterson projections I am very high on Peterson taking over early this year. That makes Taylor nothing more than a RB3/spot starter. I can see him putting up similar to worse #s to Rhodes last year.

180 att, 700 yds, 4 tds, 20 rec, 150 yds, 0 tds

 
David Yudkin said:
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I'm not disagreeing you you, but I will ask this . . .Did Bush push McAllister to the curb? McAllister > Taylor & Bush is a different type of RB

How about Brown and Rickey Williams? Williams > Taylor

Or Benson and Thomas Jones? Benson < Peterson

Stephen Jackson and Marshall Faulk? Faulk > Taylor

Maroney and Dillon? Dillon > Taylor, Maroney < Peterson

DeAngelo Williams and Foster? Williams < Peterson

Addai and Rhodes? Addai < Peterson

LJ and Priest Holmes? Holmes > Taylor

IIRC, the only top rookie RB that came in and started right away was Caddy. In most other situations, it was a RBBC (or worse) for the rookie.

I concur that Taylor may not be anywhere near as talented as some of the other vets on this list, and ADP may be more talented than others on this list, but I think Taylor will still get at least a fair amount of the workload this year.
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Im just saying, in almost all of those situations the veteran RB was much better than Chester Taylor and in the few where the veteran RB was equal to Taylor the rookie RB was not nearly as good as Peterson.
 
shadyridr said:
David Yudkin said:
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I'm not disagreeing you you, but I will ask this . . .Did Bush push McAllister to the curb? McAllister > Taylor & Bush is a different type of RB

How about Brown and Rickey Williams? Williams > Taylor

Or Benson and Thomas Jones? Benson < Peterson

Stephen Jackson and Marshall Faulk? Faulk > Taylor

Maroney and Dillon? Dillon > Taylor, Maroney < Peterson

DeAngelo Williams and Foster? Williams < Peterson

Addai and Rhodes? Addai < Peterson

LJ and Priest Holmes? Holmes > Taylor

IIRC, the only top rookie RB that came in and started right away was Caddy. In most other situations, it was a RBBC (or worse) for the rookie.

I concur that Taylor may not be anywhere near as talented as some of the other vets on this list, and ADP may be more talented than others on this list, but I think Taylor will still get at least a fair amount of the workload this year.
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Im just saying, in almost all of those situations the veteran RB was much better than Chester Taylor and in the few where the veteran RB was equal to Taylor the rookie RB was not nearly as good as Peterson.
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Didn't I say the exact same thing in my post?
 
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smackdaddies said:
David Yudkin said:
smackdaddies said:
Chester Taylor

2006 - a great situation, with a huge opportunity to impress.

2007 - second string back up to the number 7 pick in the draft. How the mighty have fallen.

I forsee a straight back up here - with several key drops, as well as fumbles at key situations in 2006, he earned himself a role as the water boy unless A.P. can't do it. No one takes a RB at #7 unless they expect serious output and is given a full chance to perform. Especially when the competition for said #7 draft pick couldnt hold onto the ball. Ergo, CT is on the pine.

Rushes - 120

Rushing Yards - 340

Rush TDs - 2

Receptions - 15

Receiving Yards - 150

Receiving TDs - 0
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A 2.8 ypc???
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I know it's low. I took CT last year in R4 of a 12 team ppr league and was happy to, so dont think me as a CT haterI see a guy on the pine without alot of incentive to perform, getting chances when Minn is ahead (which wont be very often) or behind (which will happen often) and the D he is facing tee'ng off.

Think of it this way - Minn has a terrible QB, poor (terrible?) recievers, and a good running game. D's will focus on stopping the run, because Minnesota has nothing else.

I see Minn RB as a situational play. Start AP against GB and Det, sit v. Chicago (etc). AP gets the majority of the carries, CT joins the other Minn RB in getting a few carries per game.
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Sort of like Thomas Jones last year, eh? I think AP will be a great RB but the Vikes have little reason to give him the lion's share of carries unless he proves to be as much of a complete back as Taylor right off the bat. Taylor may not be nearly as talented running the ball but he's reliable and the team knows what to expect from him in different situations. I expect AP to come on later in the year but I don't expect much start the season.
 
I really think people are short-changing Chester here. Yes, I think Peterson is a STUD (OU fan as well as a Viking fan here, so I am really pumped), but Chester had over 1200 yards last year with over 40 receptions. He showed he could carry the load and did so with a 4.0 YPC on a team that got ZERO (or even less) from the QB position. He is being a bit undervalued in PPR leagues and think he will be on okay RB3 and bye week fill in.

I see 600-700 yards rushing with 4 TDs to go along with 35 receptions.

 
David Yudkin said:
shadyridr said:
David Yudkin said:
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I'm not disagreeing you you, but I will ask this . . .Did Bush push McAllister to the curb? McAllister > Taylor & Bush is a different type of RB

How about Brown and Rickey Williams? Williams > Taylor

Or Benson and Thomas Jones? Benson < Peterson

Stephen Jackson and Marshall Faulk? Faulk > Taylor

Maroney and Dillon? Dillon > Taylor, Maroney < Peterson

DeAngelo Williams and Foster? Williams < Peterson

Addai and Rhodes? Addai < Peterson

LJ and Priest Holmes? Holmes > Taylor

IIRC, the only top rookie RB that came in and started right away was Caddy. In most other situations, it was a RBBC (or worse) for the rookie.

I concur that Taylor may not be anywhere near as talented as some of the other vets on this list, and ADP may be more talented than others on this list, but I think Taylor will still get at least a fair amount of the workload this year.
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Im just saying, in almost all of those situations the veteran RB was much better than Chester Taylor and in the few where the veteran RB was equal to Taylor the rookie RB was not nearly as good as Peterson.
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Didn't I say the exact same thing in my post?
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Well then its a stupid comparison
 
FunkyPlutos said:
I really think people are short-changing Chester here. Yes, I think Peterson is a STUD (OU fan as well as a Viking fan here, so I am really pumped), but Chester had over 1200 yards last year with over 40 receptions. He showed he could carry the load and did so with a 4.0 YPC on a team that got ZERO (or even less) from the QB position. He is being a bit undervalued in PPR leagues and think he will be on okay RB3 and bye week fill in. I see 600-700 yards rushing with 4 TDs to go along with 35 receptions.
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Besides the mental case that gave him a 2.8 ypc, you have the lowest projections for him in this thread.
 
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shadyridr said:
FunkyPlutos said:
I really think people are short-changing Chester here. Yes, I think Peterson is a STUD (OU fan as well as a Viking fan here, so I am really pumped), but Chester had over 1200 yards last year with over 40 receptions. He showed he could carry the load and did so with a 4.0 YPC on a team that got ZERO (or even less) from the QB position. He is being a bit undervalued in PPR leagues and think he will be on okay RB3 and bye week fill in. I see 600-700 yards rushing with 4 TDs to go along with 35 receptions.
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Besides the mental case that gave him a 2.8 ypc, you have the lowest projections for him in this thread.
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They were higher than yours, and I was refering to Yudkin who has been saying he won't do well, but hasn't put projections yet.
 
FunkyPlutos said:
shadyridr said:
FunkyPlutos said:
I really think people are short-changing Chester here. Yes, I think Peterson is a STUD (OU fan as well as a Viking fan here, so I am really pumped), but Chester had over 1200 yards last year with over 40 receptions. He showed he could carry the load and did so with a 4.0 YPC on a team that got ZERO (or even less) from the QB position. He is being a bit undervalued in PPR leagues and think he will be on okay RB3 and bye week fill in. I see 600-700 yards rushing with 4 TDs to go along with 35 receptions.
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Besides the mental case that gave him a 2.8 ypc, you have the lowest projections for him in this thread.
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They were higher than yours, and I was refering to Yudkin who has been saying he won't do well, but hasn't put projections yet.
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Huh? Who did I say would not do well? I think both guys will do pretty well, but I don't see ADP getting 350 touches this year and I don't see Taylor going to the bench to hold a clipboard.I suspect that Taylor will see more action early in the year and ADP will see a lot more action later in the year.As for comparisons that I brought up where a rookie phenom was brought in and an established back still saw a lot of action, my point was that there have been many backs in somewhat similar situations (maybe not talent wise) where the new guy was brought along slowly.The only backs that stepped in from the get go in the past 5 years was Caddy. Maybe the trend is to let the new guy earn it and progress slowly, maybe it's not.If I were to make a projection, I'd guess 150 carries, 600 rushing yards, 35 receptions, 250 receiving yards, 4 TD for Taylor. He's probably a Top 35-40 RB. IIRC, I have him ranked 37th.
 
David Yudkin said:
Huh? Who did I say would not do well? I think both guys will do pretty well, but I don't see ADP getting 350 touches this year and I don't see Taylor going to the bench to hold a clipboard.I suspect that Taylor will see more action early in the year and ADP will see a lot more action later in the year.As for comparisons that I brought up where a rookie phenom was brought in and an established back still saw a lot of action, my point was that there have been many backs in somewhat similar situations (maybe not talent wise) where the new guy was brought along slowly.The only backs that stepped in from the get go in the past 5 years was Caddy. Maybe the trend is to let the new guy earn it and progress slowly, maybe it's not.If I were to make a projection, I'd guess 150 carries, 600 rushing yards, 35 receptions, 250 receiving yards, 4 TD for Taylor. He's probably a Top 35-40 RB. IIRC, I have him ranked 37th.
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My bad...I didn't read your post thoroughly enough...I just didn't really agree with you saying that Taylor didn't compare well to the vets that the rookies competed with.I think that you could say that Taylor is better than the following based on how they were performing when the rookie actually came into the picture (not based on name alone):FaulkDillonRhodesT. JonesFosterRicky (because of his situation)That was the part of your post that I didn't agree with and didn't read the rest where you said that Taylor will get more carries than people think.
 
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I think people need to slow down on Peterson, especially for this season. I'm not saying that I think he will be a bust or anything, but proclaiming him as the second coming of Eric Dickerson before he has taken an NFL snap is absurd.Looking at things right now, prior to training camp, AD has a number of factors going angainst him being the starting running back when the season starts.

1. He's coming off of two significant collarbone injuries and even contemplated surgery as little as a few weeks ago.

2. Chester Taylor has six seasons of NFL experience, including last year as a primary RB.

3. Taylor alreay knows the Vikes playbook, schemes, offense...

4. This might be the biggest thing going for Taylor; he has paid his dues and performed for this team. What kind of message would Childress and the org be sending to the entire team if they annointed Peterson the #1 RB and relegated Taylor to the bench.

As of right now...

Good Chance - Taylor/Peterson split carries w/Taylor starting as the primary back

Fair Chance - Taylor is able to unseat Peterson fairly early and gets 60-65% of the work; still a RBBC.

Slight Chance - Peterson completely outperforms Taylor from the get-go and gets the majority of the work all season.

 
A lot of this is copied from my Peterson post. Since I have difficulty forecasting huge years for rookie running backs, especially on teams that have a moderately successful RB returning. I think that with A Peterson coming off an injury as well, that the Vikings will tag team the RBs and bring the rookie along slowly. So for the year, I am projecting a near 50/50 split between Peterson and Taylor.

I also believe as stated by several in the Peterson thread that Minnesota will attempt to feature the running game, but I don't think the offense will be successful enough to total anywhere near 500 rush attempts. I think that 440 is a very optimistic number for the Vikings.

The past three years they have had rushing attempts of 289, 326, and 393. Granted that 04 was with a successful Culpepper, but their QB play has not been that good for the past two years and they have still averaged less than 360 carries. I think that T Jackson will at least equal Brad Johnson.

This may be odd, because I had one of the lower projections for Peterson, but my projection is not going to be high for C Taylor either.

Chester Taylor 200 carries for 820 yards (4.1 ypc) 4 TDs and 35 catches for 250 yards and one more TD

 
JimboJim said:
Looking at things right now, prior to training camp, AD has a number of factors going against him being the starting running back when the season starts.1. He's coming off of two significant collarbone injuries and even contemplated surgery as little as a few weeks ago.2. Chester Taylor has six seasons of NFL experience, including last year as a primary RB.3. Taylor alreay knows the Vikes playbook, schemes, offense...4. This might be the biggest thing going for Taylor; he has paid his dues and performed for this team. What kind of message would Childress and the org be sending to the entire team if they annointed Peterson the #1 RB and relegated Taylor to the bench.
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And the one factor going for him. He is the most talented RB to enter the league in a long, long time. This isn't coming from me. This is coming from people that know. Same way people thought Bush didn't stand a chance last year with Deuce in town, Chester isn't 1/2 the RB Deuce is. And AP is built to handle the full load. He will not only be able to do everything Chester can do already, he'll be able to do them all better by day 1.
 
gianmarco said:
JimboJim said:
Looking at things right now, prior to training camp, AD has a number of factors going against him being the starting running back when the season starts.

1. He's coming off of two significant collarbone injuries and even contemplated surgery as little as a few weeks ago.

2. Chester Taylor has six seasons of NFL experience, including last year as a primary RB.

3. Taylor alreay knows the Vikes playbook, schemes, offense...

4. This might be the biggest thing going for Taylor; he has paid his dues and performed for this team. What kind of message would Childress and the org be sending to the entire team if they annointed Peterson the #1 RB and relegated Taylor to the bench.
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And the one factor going for him. He is the most talented RB to enter the league in a long, long time. This isn't coming from me. This is coming from people that know. Same way people thought Bush didn't stand a chance last year with Deuce in town, Chester isn't 1/2 the RB Deuce is. And AP is built to handle the full load. He will not only be able to do everything Chester can do already, he'll be able to do them all better by day 1.
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LOFL, it appears that his collarbone isn't! Matter of fact, he's had trouble showing that he's built to last an entire College season, so what makes you think he built or will last in a longer NFL season? One thing for sure is that there is at least one person drinking a bit too much of the kool aid. :o
 
JimboJim said:
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I think people need to slow down on Peterson, especially for this season. I'm not saying that I think he will be a bust or anything, but proclaiming him as the second coming of Eric Dickerson before he has taken an NFL snap is absurd.Looking at things right now, prior to training camp, AD has a number of factors going angainst him being the starting running back when the season starts.

1. He's coming off of two significant collarbone injuries and even contemplated surgery as little as a few weeks ago.

2. Chester Taylor has six seasons of NFL experience, including last year as a primary RB.

3. Taylor alreay knows the Vikes playbook, schemes, offense...

4. This might be the biggest thing going for Taylor; he has paid his dues and performed for this team. What kind of message would Childress and the org be sending to the entire team if they annointed Peterson the #1 RB and relegated Taylor to the bench.

As of right now...

Good Chance - Taylor/Peterson split carries w/Taylor starting as the primary back

Fair Chance - Taylor is able to unseat Peterson fairly early and gets 60-65% of the work; still a RBBC.

Slight Chance - Peterson completely outperforms Taylor from the get-go and gets the majority of the work all season.
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I think Chester does get the bulk of the carries, but warn that Peterson is much more explosive. Thus, I think his role will be similar to what we saw out of Tatum Bell the past years. He'll come in and hit some BIG runs that will make many sick that they didn't start him. I also see Peterson taking part in the passing game, not as much as Bush did...but we all know what the Minny WR's look like, so why not be him, right?
 
Appears to be a volatile subject.

This will be a true RBBC. I also believe this will carry over into next year as well. Unless an injury occurs.

205 carries.

820 yards.

4 TDs.

48 receptions.

325 yards.

3 TDs.

With Petersons prescence - Taylors draft position will make him an absolute steal.

Meanwhile Peterson will have 20 or so less carries (due to the 3rd down unit) but have a slightley better ypc and rushing TDs, but much less receiving then Taylor.

 
gianmarco said:
JimboJim said:
Looking at things right now, prior to training camp, AD has a number of factors going against him being the starting running back when the season starts.1. He's coming off of two significant collarbone injuries and even contemplated surgery as little as a few weeks ago.2. Chester Taylor has six seasons of NFL experience, including last year as a primary RB.3. Taylor alreay knows the Vikes playbook, schemes, offense...4. This might be the biggest thing going for Taylor; he has paid his dues and performed for this team. What kind of message would Childress and the org be sending to the entire team if they annointed Peterson the #1 RB and relegated Taylor to the bench.
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And the one factor going for him. He is the most talented RB to enter the league in a long, long time. This isn't coming from me. This is coming from people that know. Same way people thought Bush didn't stand a chance last year with Deuce in town, Chester isn't 1/2 the RB Deuce is. And AP is built to handle the full load. He will not only be able to do everything Chester can do already, he'll be able to do them all better by day 1.
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And wasn't Reggie Bush the second coming of Gale Sayers... and wasn't Ronnie Brown the best speed/size combo to hit the NFL in the last decade... and I bet at this time next year, there will be people touting Darren McFadden as "really" the best RB to come out of college in a long time.I don't disagree with you that Peterson is "probably" a much more explosive back; my projections for both player's YPC this season indicate as much.However, to think he is going to come in, unseat Taylor as the primary back prior to week one and set the league on fire is simply foolish. Yeah, it could happen; but I think we're a lot more likely to see Peterson get slowly worked into the offense as he learns the NFL game. At this point in time, and until I see otherwise, my guess is RBBC.
 
JimboJim said:
gianmarco said:
JimboJim said:
Looking at things right now, prior to training camp, AD has a number of factors going against him being the starting running back when the season starts.

1. He's coming off of two significant collarbone injuries and even contemplated surgery as little as a few weeks ago.

2. Chester Taylor has six seasons of NFL experience, including last year as a primary RB.

3. Taylor alreay knows the Vikes playbook, schemes, offense...

4. This might be the biggest thing going for Taylor; he has paid his dues and performed for this team. What kind of message would Childress and the org be sending to the entire team if they annointed Peterson the #1 RB and relegated Taylor to the bench.
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And the one factor going for him. He is the most talented RB to enter the league in a long, long time. This isn't coming from me. This is coming from people that know. Same way people thought Bush didn't stand a chance last year with Deuce in town, Chester isn't 1/2 the RB Deuce is. And AP is built to handle the full load. He will not only be able to do everything Chester can do already, he'll be able to do them all better by day 1.
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And wasn't Reggie Bush the second coming of Gale Sayers... and wasn't Ronnie Brown the best speed/size combo to hit the NFL in the last decade... and I bet at this time next year, there will be people touting Darren McFadden as "really" the best RB to come out of college in a long time.I don't disagree with you that Peterson is "probably" a much more explosive back; my projections for both player's YPC this season indicate as much.

However, to think he is going to come in, unseat Taylor as the primary back prior to week one and set the league on fire is simply foolish. Yeah, it could happen; but I think we're a lot more likely to see Peterson get slowly worked into the offense as he learns the NFL game. At this point in time, and until I see otherwise, my guess is RBBC.
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Thank God for fools! If it weren't for them, I wouldn't be so successful in all my leagues! I love the overhype machine! :no:
 
Taylor eases into the role that he is ultimately most suited for, that of "solid backup RB." Still, a great handcuff for AD owners, and decent RB4 for non-owners.

140 carries for 560 yards, 40 catches for 280 yards, 3 total TDs

 
JimboJim said:
And wasn't Reggie Bush the second coming of Gale Sayers... and wasn't Ronnie Brown the best speed/size combo to hit the NFL in the last decade... and I bet at this time next year, there will be people touting Darren McFadden as "really" the best RB to come out of college in a long time.I don't disagree with you that Peterson is "probably" a much more explosive back; my projections for both player's YPC this season indicate as much.However, to think he is going to come in, unseat Taylor as the primary back prior to week one and set the league on fire is simply foolish. Yeah, it could happen; but I think we're a lot more likely to see Peterson get slowly worked into the offense as he learns the NFL game. At this point in time, and until I see otherwise, my guess is RBBC.
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First of all, yes, there was huge hype surrounding Reggie Bush. And guess what...in just 1 year, he's now a consensus top 5 overall pick in dynasty leagues. Just one year. And last year, even with a RB like Deuce, he came in immediately.As far as the hype every year about the best RB, yep it's there, and it's always going to be there. But the hype around AP isn't like every other RB. He has been described as the best RB to come out of college since OJ. Not just from so-called fantasy "experts" or media hype artists, but by many in the actual NFL whose job it is to scout these guys.Now, whether or not you believe this is the case, that's fine. You don't have to agree. If you want to think this is just like all the other hype, then that's fine too. Even so, the hype was there for S. Jackson. The hype was there for Bush. And the hype is there for Adrian Peterson. And I just don't think Chester Taylor is nearly talented enough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field. I know the consensus is that it's going to be a RBBC, but I personally believe otherwise and think AP gets at least 225 carries and runs for 1000-1100 in his first season with an additional 200 receiving yds. By midseason, Chester Taylor will barely see the field on 3rd downs.Projections for Chester Taylor150 carries550 rushing yds3 rushing TDs20 receptions150 receiving yds1 receiving TD
 
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David Yudkin said:
zamboni said:
JimboJim said:
I'm projecting roughly 400 carries between the two with a 60/40 split in Chester's favor.
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Strike it, reverse it. And that's being kind to Taylor.Chester is a decent back, but Peterson is one of the most highly touted RBs to enter the league in some time. I havel little doubt that AP will get the lion's share of carries as long as he is healthy.
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I'm not disagreeing you you, but I will ask this . . .Did Bush push McAllister to the curb?

How about Brown and Rickey Williams?

Or Benson and Thomas Jones?

Stephen Jackson and Marshall Faulk?

Maroney and Dillon?

DeAngelo Williams and Foster?

Addai and Rhodes?

LJ and Priest Holmes?

IIRC, the only top rookie RB that came in and started right away was Caddy. In most other situations, it was a RBBC (or worse) for the rookie.

I concur that Taylor may not be anywhere near as talented as some of the other vets on this list, and ADP may be more talented than others on this list, but I think Taylor will still get at least a fair amount of the workload this year.
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:goodposting: I'm so glad I'm not the only person who sees the light. Yes AD is a talented rb but CT still holds value. Personally I see him as being this year's version of MB3. 200 carries for 700 yards(3.5 ypc) and 8 rushing TDs, 30 catches for 250 yards and 1 TD

 
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JimboJim said:
And wasn't Reggie Bush the second coming of Gale Sayers... and wasn't Ronnie Brown the best speed/size combo to hit the NFL in the last decade... and I bet at this time next year, there will be people touting Darren McFadden as "really" the best RB to come out of college in a long time.

I don't disagree with you that Peterson is "probably" a much more explosive back; my projections for both player's YPC this season indicate as much.

However, to think he is going to come in, unseat Taylor as the primary back prior to week one and set the league on fire is simply foolish. Yeah, it could happen; but I think we're a lot more likely to see Peterson get slowly worked into the offense as he learns the NFL game. At this point in time, and until I see otherwise, my guess is RBBC.
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First of all, yes, there was huge hype surrounding Reggie Bush. And guess what...in just 1 year, he's now a consensus top 5 overall pick in dynasty leagues. Just one year. And last year, even with a RB like Deuce, he came in immediately.As far as the hype every year about the best RB, yep it's there, and it's always going to be there. But the hype around AP isn't like every other RB. He has been described as the best RB to come out of college since OJ. Not just from so-called fantasy "experts" or media hype artists, but by many in the actual NFL whose job it is to scout these guys.

Now, whether or not you believe this is the case, that's fine. You don't have to agree. If you want to think this is just like all the other hype, then that's fine too. Even so, the hype was there for S. Jackson. The hype was there for Bush. And the hype is there for Adrian Peterson. And I just don't think Chester Taylor is nearly talented enough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field. I know the consensus is that it's going to be a RBBC, but I personally believe otherwise and think AP gets at least 225 carries and runs for 1000-1100 in his first season with an additional 200 receiving yds. By midseason, Chester Taylor will barely see the field on 3rd downs.

Projections for Chester Taylor

150 carries

550 rushing yds

3 rushing TDs

20 receptions

150 receiving yds

1 receiving TD
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Gianmarco, while I totally agree with JimboJim's stance on this one, your retort was a well put-together read that at least got me thinking. Right up until this line. I'm sorry, but even to think that will happen is absolute rubbish :lmao:
 
chook said:
Gianmarco, while I totally agree with JimboJim's stance on this one, your retort was a well put-together read that at least got me thinking. Right up until this line. I'm sorry, but even to think that will happen is absolute rubbish :pickle:
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When I went back and read what you bolded, that didn't come out right. Not sure why I even put that there, but it was meant to be along the lines that he will barely see the field, mostly on 3rd downs. i.e.--Chester Taylor will be the 3rd down back by midseason.Upon rereading it, it came out as he won't even see the field on 3rd downs which wasn't intended. Nevertheless, I expect the ratio of carries to start off somewhat close (although probably still in AP's favor), but to shift heavily near the mid to the end.
 
Interesting tidbit...

Now, I am not one to discount huge plays and their value. But, in certain cases I do think it's fair to chalk up some plays has rather fluke-ish. I'm not talking Lee Evans 80 yard TDs, cuz he does that on the regular. But I do feel as though Chester's 95 yard TD run last year was a product of just random luck more than anything, and did not really have much to do with him or his talent. He's not known as a big play threat, nor does he usually show breakaway speed. Therefore, I do consider that run pretty much a fluke.

When we take out that 95 yard run, Chester's ypc drops from 4.0 to 3.7 on the year. I think the 3.7 ypc is much more indicative of the kind of year that he had, and the kind of player that he is.

 
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Interesting tidbit...Now, I am not one to discount huge plays and their value. But, in certain cases I do think it's fair to chalk up some plays has rather fluke-ish. I'm not talking Lee Evans 80 yard TDs, cuz he does that on the regular. But I do feel as though Chester's 95 yard TD run last year was a product of just random luck more than anything, and did not really have much to do with him or his talent. He's not known as a big play threat, nor does he usually show breakaway speed. Therefore, I do consider that run pretty much a fluke.When we take out that 95 yard run, Chester's ypc drops from 4.0 to 3.7 on the year. I think the 3.7 ypc is much more indicative of the kind of year that he had, and the kind of player that he is.
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I agree that he is not a big play guy and that his big run was a fluke, but I think it just goes to show how solid he is. He is not flashy but tends to get his 3.7 on every carry, which isn't great for fantasy purposes, but on a first and second down run he puts the Vikings in a 3rd and short situation which is exactly what they want. He doesn't lose yardage which I think helps keep him on the field which is what you want from a 3rd fantasy RB (opportunity).
 
RAIDERNATION said:
I'm wondering what people who have Taylor and Peterson ( :football: ) are doing this week...

:useless:
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Starting AD. I paid much more for him in our auction draft, and my daughter was excited to get his autograph at training camp, so I have to go with him despite his not starting yet. If CT outscores him, I won't be that upset, but if I bench AD and he goes off, I'd be kicking myself...

I think AD gets nearly as many touches as CT if not more, and will get the goal line work, so has a higher likelihood of scoring.

 
PahtyTom said:
Interesting tidbit...

Now, I am not one to discount huge plays and their value. But, in certain cases I do think it's fair to chalk up some plays has rather fluke-ish. I'm not talking Lee Evans 80 yard TDs, cuz he does that on the regular. But I do feel as though Chester's 95 yard TD run last year was a product of just random luck more than anything, and did not really have much to do with him or his talent. He's not known as a big play threat, nor does he usually show breakaway speed. Therefore, I do consider that run pretty much a fluke.

When we take out that 95 yard run, Chester's ypc drops from 4.0 to 3.7 on the year. I think the 3.7 ypc is much more indicative of the kind of year that he had, and the kind of player that he is.
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:drive: :bag: Why do people always do this? "When we take out..."

How about we go through Barry Sanders career and use this same theory? Let's just take out all the big runs...or let's just take out all the negative runs.

They are legit numbers that need to be added when doing the numbers. Or we could go through every RB's stats throughout history saying: "Welllll....if we take out these runs he wouldn't have been a hall of famer

Yada, yada, yadda

 
Warpig said:
PahtyTom said:
Interesting tidbit...

Now, I am not one to discount huge plays and their value. But, in certain cases I do think it's fair to chalk up some plays has rather fluke-ish. I'm not talking Lee Evans 80 yard TDs, cuz he does that on the regular. But I do feel as though Chester's 95 yard TD run last year was a product of just random luck more than anything, and did not really have much to do with him or his talent. He's not known as a big play threat, nor does he usually show breakaway speed. Therefore, I do consider that run pretty much a fluke.

When we take out that 95 yard run, Chester's ypc drops from 4.0 to 3.7 on the year. I think the 3.7 ypc is much more indicative of the kind of year that he had, and the kind of player that he is.
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:thumbup: :confused: Why do people always do this? "When we take out..."
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Because it's appropiate to if it was an anomaly. And it was. I was hoping like crazy that Taylor was the real deal last year. He wasn't. He's a backup caliber player.
 
Warpig said:
PahtyTom said:
Interesting tidbit...

Now, I am not one to discount huge plays and their value. But, in certain cases I do think it's fair to chalk up some plays has rather fluke-ish. I'm not talking Lee Evans 80 yard TDs, cuz he does that on the regular. But I do feel as though Chester's 95 yard TD run last year was a product of just random luck more than anything, and did not really have much to do with him or his talent. He's not known as a big play threat, nor does he usually show breakaway speed. Therefore, I do consider that run pretty much a fluke.

When we take out that 95 yard run, Chester's ypc drops from 4.0 to 3.7 on the year. I think the 3.7 ypc is much more indicative of the kind of year that he had, and the kind of player that he is.
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;) :tfp: Why do people always do this? "When we take out..."

How about we go through Barry Sanders career and use this same theory? Let's just take out all the big runs...or let's just take out all the negative runs.

They are legit numbers that need to be added when doing the numbers. Or we could go through every RB's stats throughout history saying: "Welllll....if we take out these runs he wouldn't have been a hall of famer

Yada, yada, yadda
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Did you even read my entire post? :blackdot:
 
zadok said:
Warpig said:
PahtyTom said:
Interesting tidbit...

Now, I am not one to discount huge plays and their value. But, in certain cases I do think it's fair to chalk up some plays has rather fluke-ish. I'm not talking Lee Evans 80 yard TDs, cuz he does that on the regular. But I do feel as though Chester's 95 yard TD run last year was a product of just random luck more than anything, and did not really have much to do with him or his talent. He's not known as a big play threat, nor does he usually show breakaway speed. Therefore, I do consider that run pretty much a fluke.

When we take out that 95 yard run, Chester's ypc drops from 4.0 to 3.7 on the year. I think the 3.7 ypc is much more indicative of the kind of year that he had, and the kind of player that he is.
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:sadbanana: :sadbanana: Why do people always do this? "When we take out..."
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Because it's appropiate to if it was an anomaly. And it was. I was hoping like crazy that Taylor was the real deal last year. He wasn't. He's a backup caliber player.
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Exactly.
 
Warpig said:
PahtyTom said:
Interesting tidbit...

Now, I am not one to discount huge plays and their value. But, in certain cases I do think it's fair to chalk up some plays has rather fluke-ish. I'm not talking Lee Evans 80 yard TDs, cuz he does that on the regular. But I do feel as though Chester's 95 yard TD run last year was a product of just random luck more than anything, and did not really have much to do with him or his talent. He's not known as a big play threat, nor does he usually show breakaway speed. Therefore, I do consider that run pretty much a fluke.

When we take out that 95 yard run, Chester's ypc drops from 4.0 to 3.7 on the year. I think the 3.7 ypc is much more indicative of the kind of year that he had, and the kind of player that he is.
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:angry: :bag: Why do people always do this? "When we take out..."

How about we go through Barry Sanders career and use this same theory? Let's just take out all the big runs...or let's just take out all the negative runs.

They are legit numbers that need to be added when doing the numbers. Or we could go through every RB's stats throughout history saying: "Welllll....if we take out these runs he wouldn't have been a hall of famer

Yada, yada, yadda
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There is a difference between taking out long runs from a guy who regularly busted 40 yard plays versus a guy who had only 6 plays for more than 20 yards, and only 3 for over 40, on the entire year.Taylor's 95 yard TD does appear to be an anomoly, but the question is what relevance does that have to Taylor's 4.0 versus 3.7. The team has selected a back with explosive big play ability and Taylor appears relegated to short yardage and backup duties. The reason we discuss the 3.7 instead of the 4.0 is b/c the team seems to prefer a guy with big play ability, and Taylor's 4.0 per carry was slightly illusory when 3.7 is closer to what he did on a per carry basis.

 
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