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Owen Daniels or Bo Scaife (1 Viewer)

Daniels vs Scaiffe

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I could see Vince getting dinged this year, and there are more off-setting weapons in Houston that should open up the underneath for Daniels. I like him, but I'm hoping to bag both of these guys later in the draft. Daniels is a tier or two above Bo though.

 
Daniels. Actually, these are the two tight ends I picked up at our auction draft last weekend. I'm sure that's valuable information for the rest of you.

 
Excellent poll. I chose Daniels over Scaife in a dynasty draft last week, but I'm not particularly confident in that choice.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
bentley said:
Actually, these are the two tight ends I picked up at our auction draft last weekend. I'm sure that's valuable information for the rest of you.
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I've been on pins and needles waiting for the "late tight ends: bentley's auction results".
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I've got a great piece on "drafting a token backup kicker or tight end from your alma mater" coming up soon. It'll probably be subscriber content.
 
I'm on the Scaife side here. I think the gap between the two is far less then some here are making it out to be. He can be had several rounds later and has more upside than Owens and a history with Young. I think it's far more likely that Scaife closes the gap rather then Owens widening it.

 
both good options for late TEs. in leagues where you don't have one of the top 8 TEs or so, you could do a lot worse than one of these guys. Daniels has the slight edge.

 
Interesting. Seems a few have caught on to the Scaiffe option. Call me crazy but I think that Scaiffe is the underdog winner here.

Shaub actually has some weapons now in AJ, Jones, Ferguson (if he signs), Green, and Daniels. I think the ball gets spread around more this year.

But Young has absolutely nothing other than his feet and Scaiffe. He has a tremendous rapport with him given their history. I think that he creates what he can this year and when he can't (which will be a LOT) he'll look to Scaiffe first as his bail out option. Scaiffe will probably have more receptions than Daniels but I'm not sure on the TD number.

This is a closer race than most might think.

 
whodeywhodey said:
Interesting. Seems a few have caught on to the Scaiffe option. Call me crazy but I think that Scaiffe is the underdog winner here. Shaub actually has some weapons now in AJ, Jones, Ferguson (if he signs), Green, and Daniels. I think the ball gets spread around more this year.But Young has absolutely nothing other than his feet and Scaiffe. He has a tremendous rapport with him given their history. I think that he creates what he can this year and when he can't (which will be a LOT) he'll look to Scaiffe first as his bail out option. Scaiffe will probably have more receptions than Daniels but I'm not sure on the TD number. This is a closer race than most might think.
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As others have allready said I like both for value TE picks and have them both projected to be very close.

Bo has a bit more upside based on Titans targeting the TE more than most other teams and the lack of WR options. If Bo does not split receptions with the other TE there as much as TE targets have been split in the past he could have a pretty huge season.

That being said I still like Daniels slightly more.

 
Owen Daniels performed phenomenally on a per-play basis at a position where rookies historically struggle mightily on a per-play basis. This has me very excited about what his upside might be after he makes the expected leap that a second season in the league usually results in. In addition, Gary Kubiak has an incredibly strong history of heavily using his TEs in his offense (and it wasn't just Shannon Sharpe- he went TEBC after Sharpe left town, but the TEs still accounted for every bit as much action as before). I really think that Owen Daniels has top-5 upside in Houston. Now, granted, this is UPSIDE, so his odds of reaching it aren't that great, but it's still a possibility. I think there's a possibility that Daniels could be the next Gates, and since he and Scaife have a similar floor (since the difference between TE10 and TE20 is negligible and I expect both to fall in that range), Daniels is my choice.

 
Daniels' rookie numbers compare favorably to the elite TEs in the league. And when you look at the other elite fantasy TEs, they all have the same thing in common, limited WR talent around them (Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Cooley, Winslow, Crumpler)...as is the case for Daniels this year. The Texans are struggling mightily to find a reliable WR2 and have brought in 37-year old Keenan McCardell and reportedly have interest in Robert Ferguson. If that's not an indication of their struggles at WR, I don't know what is...which means Daniels can and should see plenty of targets this year.

 
I did a little more research and actually just chose Daniels over Scaiffe in a draft in the 16th round. I waited and now have Heath Miller and Daniels as my TEs. Waiting this year isn't a bad idea if you can get a duo like these 2.

I will be watching Scaiffe with a lot of interest this year but in the end I had to re-think everything and realize that the floor was a little more sturdy with Daniels.

 
whodeywhodey said:
I did a little more research and actually just chose Daniels over Scaiffe in a draft in the 16th round. I waited and now have Heath Miller and Daniels as my TEs. Waiting this year isn't a bad idea if you can get a duo like these 2. I will be watching Scaiffe with a lot of interest this year but in the end I had to re-think everything and realize that the floor was a little more sturdy with Daniels.
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I agree with the choice here but it will not suprise me to see Bo fair better than Miller this year.
 
Biabreakable said:
whodeywhodey said:
I did a little more research and actually just chose Daniels over Scaiffe in a draft in the 16th round. I waited and now have Heath Miller and Daniels as my TEs. Waiting this year isn't a bad idea if you can get a duo like these 2. I will be watching Scaiffe with a lot of interest this year but in the end I had to re-think everything and realize that the floor was a little more sturdy with Daniels.
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I agree with the choice here but it will not suprise me to see Bo fair better than Miller this year.
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Miller was more of a safety blanket in case my TE2 goes to hell. I like having him as a baseline with the potential of Daniels as a boom/bust type player.
 
I like Scaife better. Being a Longhorn, I've been watching Vince to Scaife for a good 5 or so years now, and Vince is pretty comfortable with him, probably much more than Schaub is with Daniels at this point.

 
I have been targeting both in a series of leagues you don't have to play a TE. Either has the potential to make an impact. Sadly, the word is getting out. I saw Daniels snatched away just prior to my pick in the round I was targeting him.

 
whodeywhodey said:
I did a little more research and actually just chose Daniels over Scaiffe in a draft in the 16th round. I waited and now have Heath Miller and Daniels as my TEs. Waiting this year isn't a bad idea if you can get a duo like these 2. I will be watching Scaiffe with a lot of interest this year but in the end I had to re-think everything and realize that the floor was a little more sturdy with Daniels.
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Daniels didn't make it that far in my leagues ( of course that's could be because I took him earlier ;) ). Other league I, ended up with Miller and Scaife (missed Daniels)
 
so if you had miller, would you go for scaife or daniels as your second te (if you decided you wanted two)? miller is consistent and should be a solid #10 te. would you want the player with the bigger upside (but also bigger downside) to match with miller (that would probably be daniels), or would you want scaife to be paired with miller?

i guess a third choice would be to drop miller altogether and just go for daniels and scaife -- but that seems like a more risky strategy.

 
davidwb said:
so if you had miller, would you go for scaife or daniels as your second te (if you decided you wanted two)? miller is consistent and should be a solid #10 te. would you want the player with the bigger upside (but also bigger downside) to match with miller (that would probably be daniels), or would you want scaife to be paired with miller?i guess a third choice would be to drop miller altogether and just go for daniels and scaife -- but that seems like a more risky strategy.
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You already know my opinion. I drafted Miller and picked up Daniels very late as a TE2.
 
Just a thought. Daniels still has Bruener and Putzier who the team still utilizes and likes. Granted Daniels is the more talented and catches more passes, but he cannot block like the other two and is replaced by them frequently, or so it seems that way to me being a Texans fan :goodposting: . Tenn really only has Scaife and Troupe, with Young having the chemistry with Scaife. Just my opinion, no stats to back it up.

 
hoyaparanoia said:
Just a thought. Daniels still has Bruener and Putzier who the team still utilizes and likes. Granted Daniels is the more talented and catches more passes, but he cannot block like the other two and is replaced by them frequently, or so it seems that way to me being a Texans fan :doh: . Tenn really only has Scaife and Troupe, with Young having the chemistry with Scaife. Just my opinion, no stats to back it up.
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Putzier and block should not be used in the same sentence unless they're separated by the word "can't". Also, Bruener is THIRTY FIVE years old, which is positively decrepit for a TE- only 20 TEs in history have played a season at age 35+, and only 9 have done it at age 36+, so odds are that Bruener doesn't have much left in the tank. I suppose we'll see, but I think Daniels is going to see the field a LOT this year, simply because, outside of Andre Johnson, Houston is totally devoid of any other targets. He may not be much of a blocker, but Houston is going to need him running routes too much to care how well he blocks.
 
SSOG said:
Putzier and block should not be used in the same sentence unless they're separated by the word "can't". Also, Bruener is THIRTY FIVE years old, which is positively decrepit for a TE- only 20 TEs in history have played a season at age 35+, and only 9 have done it at age 36+, so odds are that Bruener doesn't have much left in the tank. I suppose we'll see, but I think Daniels is going to see the field a LOT this year, simply because, outside of Andre Johnson, Houston is totally devoid of any other targets. He may not be much of a blocker, but Houston is going to need him running routes too much to care how well he blocks.
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:goodposting: The only person I can see taking catches away from Daniels (other than AJ, of course) is the WR2. If its Walter I am not worried but if its Jacoby then I might be a little worried as I am convinced the kid has skills and might be the best rookie WR stat-wise this year if given the chance to start (yes, even including Calvin Johnson.)
 
hoyaparanoia said:
Just a thought. Daniels still has Bruener and Putzier who the team still utilizes and likes. Granted Daniels is the more talented and catches more passes, but he cannot block like the other two and is replaced by them frequently, or so it seems that way to me being a Texans fan :thumbup: . Tenn really only has Scaife and Troupe, with Young having the chemistry with Scaife. Just my opinion, no stats to back it up.
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Bruener blocks, he doesn't catch. Putzier just isn't very good. Troupe is a bigger threat to Scaife than either of these guys are to Daniels. I love both of these guys this year, but having watched all the Texans' preseason games, Daniels has been Schaub's first or second read a lot. I like him a little more.
 
After watching the Cowboys v. Texans, (3rd preseason game, and Most important) both Owen Daniels and Matt Schaub look very good. Both of these guys can be had for about nothing in a 10 teamer snake draft. My concern is that the vanilla preseason is all that it was. When teams begin heavy blitzing of Schaub and the Texans offense does nothing...I will be screwed. Is this a legitimate concern? The Texans O did ok w/Carr, and Schaub is 100 times better imo...For most teams, Schaub as a back/up ,Daniels as the main tight end.....or are they both backups? (I don't like drafting 2 TEs)

 
While we're here: how is "Scaife" pronounced? I said "scafe" (rhymes with "chafe") at a recent draft, and another guy piped up "That's 'Skay-Fee' ".

 
I'll say this about Scaife, everytime Young is under pressure he looks to Bo. I think Bo is a PPR Money play this year.

 
plymkr said:
After watching the Cowboys v. Texans, (3rd preseason game, and Most important) both Owen Daniels and Matt Schaub look very good. Both of these guys can be had for about nothing in a 10 teamer snake draft. My concern is that the vanilla preseason is all that it was. When teams begin heavy blitzing of Schaub and the Texans offense does nothing...I will be screwed. Is this a legitimate concern? The Texans O did ok w/Carr, and Schaub is 100 times better imo...For most teams, Schaub as a back/up ,Daniels as the main tight end.....or are they both backups? (I don't like drafting 2 TEs)
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I thought I read that the Dallas didn't play vanilla defense that game, that they threw an assortment of blitzes Schaubs way and he handled them perfectly.
 
After Matt Schaub hit TE Owen Daniels for 45 yards on three catches at Arizona, he told the Houston Chronicle that he's going to have an eye for Daniels this season. "I've always liked throwing to my tight ends," Schaub said. "They can be an incredible asset in the middle of the field. It keeps the safeties back and helps open up the running game."
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I am going with Daniels here. I like his rookie performance. I like the lack of a #2 WR. I am becoming a huge Schaub fan (I don't own him in any leagues though). But the thing that pushes this over edge for me is Kubiak. The former Broncos OC knows how to use the TE effectively. Daniels and Daniels owners should benefit.

 
Realistically, the last few drafts I've had Scaife is the (much) better value. I still think Daniels has the better season, but it seems that the word is out on him; I'm seeing him go quite often in the mid rounds during a mini TE run as teams try to fill in their starter. Meanwhile Scaife is still WAY off the non-Shark radar. I've grabbed him as my TE2 in three leagues over the last week; in the last three rounds of each draft.

 
Daniels probably has the better season, but Scaife is a guy you can get at the very end of the draft, whereas, you can't count on Daniels being there. I think the best move this year, if you wait on TEs like me, is to wait until the last few rounds, and if Daniels is there, get him, if not, get Scaife.

The thing about Scaife is, he has potential to shatter his projections. Scaife is talented. Young has great chemistry with him, trusts him, and looks to him when things break down. And, most importantly, the Titans are going back to Fisher ball this year, which means pounding the rock on the ground, and utilizing the TE early and often. I think Scaife has real potential for Wycheck-like numbers this year.

 
Jason Wood said:
Realistically, the last few drafts I've had Scaife is the (much) better value. I still think Daniels has the better season, but it seems that the word is out on him; I'm seeing him go quite often in the mid rounds during a mini TE run as teams try to fill in their starter. Meanwhile Scaife is still WAY off the non-Shark radar. I've grabbed him as my TE2 in three leagues over the last week; in the last three rounds of each draft.
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This has been my experience as well.Completed two drafts recently, and Daniels was taken as a starter, while I got Scaife in both as a backup, several rounds later.
 
Federal said:
After Matt Schaub hit TE Owen Daniels for 45 yards on three catches at Arizona, he told the Houston Chronicle that he's going to have an eye for Daniels this season. "I've always liked throwing to my tight ends," Schaub said. "They can be an incredible asset in the middle of the field. It keeps the safeties back and helps open up the running game."
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I am going with Daniels here. I like his rookie performance. I like the lack of a #2 WR. I am becoming a huge Schaub fan (I don't own him in any leagues though). But the thing that pushes this over edge for me is Kubiak. The former Broncos OC knows how to use the TE effectively. Daniels and Daniels owners should benefit.
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I have no problem with you liking Daniels more as a player, but you are not applying the reasoning to both sides. Tennessee doesn't even have a wr1 let alone a wr2. Andre Johnson is far superior to anyone that TEN has catching the ball. Secondly, Norm Chow has used the TE extensively over his last two years. In 2005 TE's caught 149 balls. Bo Scaife caught more balls last year than anyone currently on the TEN roster.
 
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