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Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :unsure: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :unsure:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :unsure:

 
BassNBrew said:
Lastly you throw out a defense as to how RBs are over rated in this format (x of the top 50) to justify taking a RB.
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No what I said is everyone at these boards knew the draft would start RB heavy despite the fact that they don't score (relatively) well in this format.YTD Pts Weekly Point Totals Bye

# Ovr Player

1. 1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 436.00 Rudnicki 3

2. 2. Manning, Peyton IND QB 385.00 Busman 6

3. 3. Brees, Drew NOS QB 362.00 Stuart 7

4. 4. Bulger, Marc STL QB 332.00 GridIron Menace 7

5. 5. Palmer, Carson CIN QB 326.00 Bri 5

6. 6. Jackson, Steven STL RB 322.00 Stuart 7

7. 7. Vick, Michael ATL QB 320.00 Free Agent 5

8. 8. Johnson, Larry KCC RB 306.00 ceo3west 3

9. 9. Brady, Tom NEP QB 297.00 Gray 6

10. 10. Kitna, Jon DET QB 290.00Pasquino 8

11. 11. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Pasquino 9

12. 12. Harrison, Marvin IND WR Yudkin 6

13. 13. Grossman, Rex CHI QB 273.00 Borbely's Bunker Brigade 7

14. 14. Gore, Frank SFO RB 270.50 Warehouse Nasty 7

15. 15. Favre, Brett GBP QB 270.00 Yudkin 6

16. 16. Manning, Eli NYG QB 270.00 Busman 4

17. 17. Rivers, Philip SDC QB 268.00 Gray 3

18. 18. McNabb, Donovan PHI QB 258.00 Storm of Destruction 9

19. 19. Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 254.00 Yudkin 4

20. 20. Wayne, Reggie IND WR 254.00 Tremendous Upside 6

21. 21. Driver, Donald GBP WR 253.00 Tefertiller 6

22. 22. Johnson, Chad CIN WR 252.00 Busman 5

23. 23. Owens, Terrell DAL WR 251.00 Borbely's Bunker Brigade 3

24. 24. Holt, Torry STL WR 249.00 GridIron Menace 7

25. 25. Losman, J.P. BUF QB 247.00 Rudnicki 8

26. 26. Parker, Willie PIT RB 244.50 Tefertiller 4

27. 27. Young, Vince TEN QB 239.00 Borbely's Bunker Brigade 7

28. 28. Pennington, Chad NYJ QB 238.00 Bri 9

29. 29. Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR 237.00 Pasquino 5

30. 30. Johnson, Andre HOU WR 237.00 Gray 5

31. 31. Bears, Chicago CHI Def 236.00 Yudkin 7

32. 32. McNair, Steve BAL QB 235.00 ceo3west 7

33. 33. Walker, Javon DEN WR 230.00 ceo3west 4

34. 34. Smith, Alex SFO QB 228.00 Warehouse Nasty 7

35. 35. Coles, Laveranues NYJ WR 226.00 Borbely's Bunker Brigade 9

36. 36. Evans, Lee BUF WR 225.00 Tremendous Upside 8

37. 37. Romo, Tony DAL QB 224.00 ceo3west 3

38. 38. Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 223.00 Warehouse Nasty 6

39. 39. Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def 223.00 Pasquino 7

40. 40. Smith, Steve CAR WR 223.00 Bri 9

41. 41. Williams, Roy DET WR 219.00 Rudnicki 8

42. 42. Barber, Tiki FA RB 216.50 Free Agent -

43. 43. Colston, Marques NOS WR 215.00 Storm of Destruction 7

44. 44. Carr, David HOU QB 213.00 Free Agent 5

45. 45. Jackson, Darrell SEA WR 213.00 Tremendous Upside 5

46. 46. Burress, Plaxico NYG WR 211.00 Pasquino 4

47. 47. Furrey, Mike DET WR 208.00 Pasquino 8

48. 48. Johnson, Rudi CIN RB 207.00 Borbely's Bunker Brigade 5

49. 49. Boldin, Anquan ARI WR 206.00 Warehouse Nasty 9

50. 50. Delhomme, Jake CAR QB 206.00 Tefertiller 9

51. 51. Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB 205.00 Rudnicki

When I picked, how many RBs were left for me out of the top 50 from 06?

So despite the fact that RBs aren't necessarily a good pick here everyone is doing it. Apparently you ignore the fact that a run can affect when you draft certain players as it tremendously affects their values. In this run many many many RBs were taken. When a run happens in a draft you either take part in it or hope that what's left after is suitable. I jumped in. I figured if I want "my RB" I'd better take him now.

All the players you mentioned-not in Top 50 outside of MJD and I said: I'm not drafting a backup as my top RB.

Let me repeat that all the players you want me to have drafted because you didn't look at the scoring and adjust your rankings/thoughts accordingly, weren't even in the top 50.

Not in the top 50 and you consider my pick a ridiculous reach

You cry I took Jacobs too early.

What do you call taking someone outside the top 50 with the 15th pick? Wouldn't that be a reach?

 
Warehouse Nasty said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Bri said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Jacobs was a huge reach at 2.01 by any standards. He went a good round-round and a half too early. It's fine to like players, but it doesn't mean it isn't a reach.
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To reiterate something I said earlier-He went 9 spots early, ADP is 2.10
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Who has his ADP at 2.10?
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It's listed as 34th on this site and 37th on Antsports which equates to 3.06 or 3.09 in a 14-teamer.
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Now why would you go converting a 12 team league to 14 and not just select 14 team league?That doesn't make much sense when the info is right there if ya select it rightWe drafted last night and I'm rolling with ADP for the last weekSo select 14 team league, Aug 22th(yeah "th") and Aug 29th, all draftsWhat do you get? Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 2.10.83
 
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Bri said:
BassNBrew said:
Lastly you throw out a defense as to how RBs are over rated in this format (x of the top 50) to justify taking a RB.
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No what I said is everyone at these boards knew the draft would start RB heavy despite the fact that they don't score When I picked, how many RBs were left for me out of the top 50 from 06?So despite the fact that RBs aren't necessarily a good pick here everyone is doing it. Apparently you ignore the fact that a run can affect when you draft certain players as it tremendously affects their values. In this run many many many RBs were taken. When a run happens in a draft you either take part in it or hope that what's left after is suitable. I jumped in. I figured if I want "my RB" I'd better take him now. All the players you mentioned-not in Top 50 outside of MJD and I said: I'm not drafting a backup as my top RB.Let me repeat that all the players you want me to have drafted because you didn't look at the scoring and adjust your rankings/thoughts accordingly, weren't even in the top 50.Not in the top 50 and you consider my pick a ridiculous reachYou cry I took Jacobs too early.What do you call taking someone outside the top 50 with the 15th pick? Wouldn't that be a reach?
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Just curious, were you prepared to go Manning/Smith?I might dive into this later deeper but need to get some work done. You make some good points, however best ball definately impacts the "scoring". A combo like Wilford/Northcutt while looking weak individualy will likely be a strong WR in this format.
 
BusMan said:
Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :ptts: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :goodposting:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :thumbup:
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My team may not be top 3, but if you think my team is last in the league you obviously haven't reviewed the scoring system, nor realize it's best ball. Not only that, if you think your team is better then mine you're out of your mind. I've got you beat in every category except QB and possibly TE/PK. Sorry, but Ronnie Brown as RB1, and then backed up by Lynch? Also, Cotchery would be the 4th WR on my team, he's your #2.
 
BusMan said:
Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :ptts: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :goodposting:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :thumbup:
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Wow, I'm not sure I could disagree more wiht your projections! I think myself and TU are the top 2 MB teams and Jeff T is the top staff team! That's what makes it fun though; we'll see when the games start.
 
Bri said:
Warehouse Nasty said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Bri said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Jacobs was a huge reach at 2.01 by any standards. He went a good round-round and a half too early. It's fine to like players, but it doesn't mean it isn't a reach.
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To reiterate something I said earlier-He went 9 spots early, ADP is 2.10
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Who has his ADP at 2.10?
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It's listed as 34th on this site and 37th on Antsports which equates to 3.06 or 3.09 in a 14-teamer.
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Now why would you go converting a 12 team league to 14 and not just select 14 team league?That doesn't make much sense when the info is right there if ya select it rightWe drafted last night and I'm rolling with ADP for the last weekSo select 14 team league, Aug 22th(yeah "th") and Aug 29th, all draftsWhat do you get? Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 2.10.83
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I was only doing real drafts and they didn't have 14-man leagues. Anyways, no worries here, everyone has different evaluations of players. We'll see what happens when the season starts. Good luck to all except the 7 staff members!
 
I think the lesson I would take from Bri's draft is the same one I've seen before: If you're drafting at the end in a large league, you really need to let the draft come to you, more so than any other draft position. You're already at a disadvantage and big runs can take place in multiple positions between your picks. So you need to take good value and not really reach on any favorites until near the end of the draft. Now I understand that Bri is super high on Jacobs, but he's certainly not good value at 2.01. It's just one of the downsides of drafting at the back end.

 
ceo3west said:
BusMan said:
Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :ptts: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :popcorn:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :pickle:
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My team may not be top 3, but if you think my team is last in the league you obviously haven't reviewed the scoring system, nor realize it's best ball. Not only that, if you think your team is better then mine you're out of your mind. I've got you beat in every category except QB and possibly TE/PK. Sorry, but Ronnie Brown as RB1, and then backed up by Lynch? Also, Cotchery would be the 4th WR on my team, he's your #2.
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I do like your team ceo. Your RBs scare me but other than that I'm on board.
 
Warehouse Nasty said:
ceo3west said:
BusMan said:
Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :ptts: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :no:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :thumbup:
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My team may not be top 3, but if you think my team is last in the league you obviously haven't reviewed the scoring system, nor realize it's best ball. Not only that, if you think your team is better then mine you're out of your mind. I've got you beat in every category except QB and possibly TE/PK. Sorry, but Ronnie Brown as RB1, and then backed up by Lynch? Also, Cotchery would be the 4th WR on my team, he's your #2.
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I do like your team ceo. Your RBs scare me but other than that I'm on board.
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Thanks, I do need LJ & FT to come through for me, that's for sure. But I think guys like Morris & Hunt could provide some good weeks for me, not to mention when Turner gets heathy. It was difficult having Pasq snag so many guys right in front of me.
 
ConstruxBoy said:
I think the lesson I would take from Bri's draft is the same one I've seen before: If you're drafting at the end in a large league, you really need to let the draft come to you, more so than any other draft position. You're already at a disadvantage and big runs can take place in multiple positions between your picks. So you need to take good value and not really reach on any favorites until near the end of the draft. Now I understand that Bri is super high on Jacobs, but he's certainly not good value at 2.01. It's just one of the downsides of drafting at the back end.
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Aye, there's the rub. If you are in love with a guy, you have to take him too soon based on the potential that he won't make it back to you.I admit to pulling the trigger too soon on players in the past, but I normally would do that later in the draft. I'd have a harder time justifying to myself taking someone with the 15th overall pick that had a fair amount of risk. I could care less what others thought about my pick, but I'd have some soul searching to live with making it though.
 
David Yudkin said:
ConstruxBoy said:
I think the lesson I would take from Bri's draft is the same one I've seen before: If you're drafting at the end in a large league, you really need to let the draft come to you, more so than any other draft position. You're already at a disadvantage and big runs can take place in multiple positions between your picks. So you need to take good value and not really reach on any favorites until near the end of the draft. Now I understand that Bri is super high on Jacobs, but he's certainly not good value at 2.01. It's just one of the downsides of drafting at the back end.
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Aye, there's the rub. If you are in love with a guy, you have to take him too soon based on the potential that he won't make it back to you.I admit to pulling the trigger too soon on players in the past, but I normally would do that later in the draft. I'd have a harder time justifying to myself taking someone with the 15th overall pick that had a fair amount of risk. I could care less what others thought about my pick, but I'd have some soul searching to live with making it though.
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Right, so if you're drafting 14th or 16th in the first round of a league, you probably shouldn't be in love with anyone until round 10 or later, IMHO. Too much risk.
 
BassNBrew said:
Just curious, were you prepared to go Manning/Smith?
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PredraftI wanted Manning but thought he'd go 11,12 maybe even earlier if someone was frustrated with the mid 1st choices and wanted a "safe" choice. In this format he's about as safe as can be. During the draft he was "right there" and yep I really wanted him then but he went a pick shy of me.Looking at the scoring I wanted Carson or Manning predraft. For me, my opinion/outlook, those two were "gold" in this league.
I might dive into this later deeper but need to get some work done. You make some good points, however best ball definately impacts the "scoring". A combo like Wilford/Northcutt while looking weak individualy will likely be a strong WR in this format.
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I've done redraft leagues for 16-17 years but this survivor best ball stuff for only a few. Referring to once you get out of the top 8-10 rounds and things start to really drop/- From what I gather analyzing drafts(I could be wrong of course) is it's better to swing for the fences moreso than try and find someone steadyLaurent's feast or famine IMO and Jenkins doesn't seem so tough for him to beat out over the course of the season.Patten, I think he might wind up with a 2 TD week or a 100 yard week ....something nice, every 6 games or so with Brees throwing to him. Ya know maybe something happens....
 
PPlayers I was surprised were not drafted:

Michael Clayton

David Garrard

Corey Dillon

Chad Jackson

Musa Smith

Maurice Hicks

Jason Wright

Donald Lee

Sam Hurd

Anthony Mix

I am not saying I expected all of these players to be taken. But, some were decent options late. I like Hicks, Garrard, and Wright the best

 
7.14 QB Matt Hasselbeck, 8

9.14 QB JP Losman, 6

23.14 QB Seneca Wallace, 8

1.01 RB LaDanian Tomlinson, 7

3.14 RB Cadillac Williams, 10

5.14 RB LaMont Jordan, 5

11.14 RB Brian Leonard, 9

15.14 RB Najeh Davenport, 6

2.14 WR Roy Williams, 6

4.01 WR Braylon Edwards, 7

6.01 WR Bernard Berrian, 9

8.01 WR Kevin Curtis, 5

13.14 WR Eric Moulds, 4

14.01 WR Michael Jenkins, 8

16.01 WR Peerless Price, 6

22.01 WR Roscoe Parrish, 6

10.01 TE Dallas Clark, 6

12.01 TE Owen Daniels, 10

24.01 TE Steve Heiden, 7

19.14 PK Nate Kaeding, 7

21.14 PK Matt Bryant, 10

17.14 DEF Seattle, 8

18.01 DEF St Louis, 9

20.01 DEF Kansas City, 8

I figure Hasselbeck is a pretty safe QB1 and Losman is a pretty safe QB2. Would have liked to get 3 starters, but I got some injury insurance for Hass and think these guys will do fine. Won't help me against most teams here but shouldn't hurt me either.

at RB, Tomlinson obviously gave me a big edge. At the 3/4 turn, I had a choice between Cadillac and Thomas Jones and decided to go with Caddy but that was pretty much a coin flip. I figured Leon Washington was a bit more of a threat than anyone on the Bucs and Jones' preseason injury scared me a bit. I was psyched to get Lamont Jordan at the 5.14 spot. Don't normally expect to land a starting RB that late in the draft. He's looked awesome in preseason to me and is only one year removed from a top-10 season. I would have liked to grab Rhodes and/or Turner if they slipped far enough but I didn't feel I needed them in a best ball league like this. If some of my key starters get hurt or take a big hit to their value somehow, I don't expect to win so I was willing to take on more risk. I think Leonard is a great RB4 in this league b/c he should get work every week in the passing game and possibly short yardage, but he could also blow up huge if Jackson were to suffer an injury. Davenport is another RB who could be big if the starter goes down but could also vulture some TDs with a new coaching staff in Pittsburgh. St Louis and Pittsburgh are two of the best fantasy situations for RBs so those looked like two great backup spots to grab. All 5 of my RBs have a different bye week, which was generally by design, so I will have 4 RBs potentially contributing during every week and I think that will give me an edge over teams who didn't manage their bye weeks as well.

at WR, even though I was behind most other teams due to the 3rd round reversal, I was very happy with the top 4 guys I got. I think all 4 have the potential to put up big weeks. After I felt comfortable at that position, I started looking for value elsewhere as most other teams seemed to be scooping up WRs during those middle rounds. After avoiding WR for 4 rounds, I came back at 13.14/14.01 and grabbed two guys who aren't particularly exciting or explosive but they seem like relatively safe picks who should do well with the PPR rule. Roddy White would have been a pick for me over Jenkins, but Chase sniped him and then I apparently sniped him right back by taking Jenkins and preventing him from landing the Falcons WR handcuff. Filled out the roster here with another starter in Price, and a big-play handcuff to him with Roscoe Parrish. I think this combo will do pretty well in this format and they are only my WR7 and WR8.

I waited longer than most at TE but still like the tandem I wound up with. Took Clark over Heath Miller and then could have had Miller 2 rounds later but he shared a bye with Clark so I had to pass. Daniels looks like he could have some big weeks in Houston this year though as a favorite target for Schaub. With my last pick, I was going to grab RB Jason Snelling in Atlanta but he was sniped from me. I thought about taking Antonio Pittman in New Orleans as another backup in a great offense, but figured Heiden would help solidify my TE spot and I think I needed more help there anyway. The Browns run a lot of 2-TE sets so even with Winslow healthy, he'll produce but he could be a top-20 guy if Winslow goes down.

At PK, Nate Kaeding works well with Tomlinson as one of the two should have a good week almost every week. If Tomlinson isn't scoring, Kaeding should rack up FGs. Wasn't much there for my 2nd kicker but Bryant has the leg to hit some long ones and the same theory I used for Kaeding/LT applies with him and Cadillac.

At DEF, I almost pulled the trigger on the Patriots at the 11/12 turn b/c they seemed like great value but I went with Leonard/Daniels instead. I wanted to grab 3 defenses anyway so I don't think I needed one of the elite ones. These 3 I wound up with have a lot of sack potential and I didn't worry much about doubling up the bye week in week 8 since there are a bunch of teams off that week and a lot of my fellow owners will be weakened anyway. I think the Chiefs could wind up being a pretty big steal actually and was surprised they lasted as long as they did.

 
Warehouse Nasty said:
Jeff Tefertiller said:
Thank you, Nasty for the review. One thing that has not been brought out yet is the heavy defense scoring. I bring it up because one of the MB teams that many like, BusMan, got squeezed and only has one defense. That is why most of the staffer tried to get three, and always nice to put the squeeze on. Here is the defense scoring. Notice the points against scoring.

Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 0-10 2 points each

Interceptions Caught 0-10 2 points each

Sacked a QB 0-10 1 point

Safeties 0-10 2 points each

Total Points Allowed 0-0 12

Total Points Allowed 1-7 8

Total Points Allowed 8-12 4

Total Points Allowed 13-17 2

Total Points Allowed 18-99 0

Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 0-10 6 points each
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It's heavy if you allow 7 or less points. At first I didn't think that was very significant becuase most teams will score more than 7 but I went back and checked last year's results and of 512 possible scores (32*16), 54 of them (10.5%) were 7 or less so that's more significant than my initial inclination.I nearly took my D a lot earlier and now I kinda wish I had!
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From Grin and Bear It?:
Baltimore was the #2 Defense in 2006 mostly due to their ability to keep the other team from scoring. They had 11 games from Week 1-16 (and another in Week 17) where they held their opponent to 17 points or fewer, and they also had 6 games (and again another in Week 17) where they held the opposition to under 10 on the scoreboard. They even posted two shutouts during the year.

How does that compare to Chicago? They had two shutouts and four additional games under 10 just like Baltimore, but they held the opponent to 17 or less a total of just nine times (Baltimore had 12). That's a "push" on the scorecard, with a slight favorite going to the Ravens.
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PPlayers I was surprised were not drafted:Michael ClaytonDavid GarrardCorey DillonChad JacksonMusa SmithMaurice HicksJason WrightDonald LeeSam HurdAnthony MixI am not saying I expected all of these players to be taken. But, some were decent options late. I like Hicks, Garrard, and Wright the best
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If Tim Carter is starter week 1, he should qualify here too
 
BusMan's draft:

I decided to throw my hat into the ring for this contest about 15 minutes before Dodds announced the MB selections. I should've spent more time thinking through my KDS preferences, but as I rolled near the bottom of the list I would've had a rather poor spot anyway. My simplistic thinking at the time of my posting Tuesday morning was:

...if I pick later in the first I can get three of the the top however many players and that would be cool and all...
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I should've focused on middle-of-the-round selections after the top three slots, as I would've avoided the inevitable positional runs and other related miscues that picking near the turn allow. I grew to like the specific strategic facets of picking near the turn, but it definitely affected the overall quality of my team which is a definite :excited: , :wall: , and :pickle: .The picks:

1.13 - QB Peyton Manning IND/6: Didn't like any of the RBs here, so I went with big bro for all my QB1 needs. Figured I could take whatever crap was left at RB after Bri picked.

2.02 - WR Chad Johnson CIN/5: Hey hey hey, whaddya know? The crap at RB at 1.13 was still crap at 2.02. I'll go ahead and lock up my WR1 here, although I'm gonna be hurting at RB. I've basically made my bed with Peyton and CJ, so if either of them don't put up #1 #s at their respective positions, I'm screwed.

3.02 - RB Ronnie Brown MIA/9: Not the ideal RB1 candidate for any FF team, but I'm still pleased to get him here after going QB/WR.

4.13 - RB Marshawn Lynch BUF/6: I like this pick. Whilst everyone was grabbing their WR2s, I got a solid upside RB2. I like Lynch's chances in an improving Buffalo offense. He should see plenty of dump off action out of the backfield as well.

5.02 - WR Jerricho Cotchery NYJ/10: I'm obviously high on J Cotch if I'm willing to take him as my second receiver. I actually think he can outperform Coles on a PPG basis, although he'll be less steady.

6.13 - WR Chris Chambers MIA/9: I'm pretty low on Chambers but at this point of the draft he's a value. This is the point where I really start focusing on Bri and anticipating who he might take. If he needs a WR, I'll take one and then fill another need after the turn.

7.02 - TE Kellen Winslow CLE/7: Winslow does have some question marks surrounding him, but at the end of the year, I anticipate he'll have as many receptions as Braylon, and I mean that in a good way.

8.13 - WR Jerry Porter OAK/5: Cue Porter for a major bounce back year. Veteran QB presence? check. Unproven WR talent around him? check. An offensive minded coach? check. A suspect running game? CHECKMATE.

Again I have Bri on a WR, so again I take one before the turn.

9.02 - QB Eli Manning NYG/9: I like little bro at this spot. I was looking at RB here but didn't like the options, so I picked up Eli for a Manningful year at QB.

10.13 - WR Amani Toomer NYG/9: Needed someone for little bro to throw TDs to when Big Bro is on his bye. Jets v. Giants in the Meadowlands week five? Can somebody say SPICY?

11.02 - RB Anthony Thomas BUF/6: I had been looking to cuff Lynch for a few rounds, but figured this would be my last viable option to make that happen. I'm higher than most on the Buffalo offense, so I'm liking my lock on the ground game.

12.13 - WR Bryant Johnson ARI/8: My hands-down #1 #3WR that won't be suspended for half of the season (hopefully). Were Boldin and/or Fitz to miss any time, BJ wouldn't miss a beat.

13.02 - RB Ron Dayne HOU/10: At this point in the draft I have to start gobbling up some RBs. Speaking of gobbling, I'm really looking forward to those post-Thanksgiving turkey sandwiches. They go great with a cold beer and Ron Dayne's annual late season explosion.

14.13 - RB Michael Bennett KC/8: He's my hero or zero pick. Probably zero. But its gotta worry C3PO, right?

15.02 - WR David Boston TBB/10: I honestly can't believe he didn't get snatched before here. Fell asleep at the wheel? No big deal. If Stovall were really having such a great camp, he would've already locked up the #2 spot. Boston will play 2002 Oakland Raider Tim Brown to Joey Galloway's Jerry Rice. :excited: IT UP!

16.13 - D/ST Minnesota Vikings MIN/5: Good thing I'm high on the Minny D this year as they're the only horse in my stable. I must've been getting tired because I never expected I wouldn't be able to grab a second D/ST.

17.02 - RB Mike Anderson BAL/8: I'm so low on McGahee I not only pass on him at 1.13 AND 2.02 but I also take his backup. MA will pound in some GL scores while McGahee is whining on the sideline.

18.13 - TE Chris Baker NYJ/10: Everyone else has more than one TE at this point. I might as well take a starter on a team whose quarterback can't throw it further than the TE can run. :penningtonandchasedig:

19.02 - PK Matt Stover BAL/8: Red rover red rover sent Matt Stover over to boot in some kicks. Bonus points for his multi-volume kicking anthology.

20.13 - PK Josh Scobee JAC/4: No WAY am I getting hosed out of a second kicker!

21.02 - QB Jim Sorgi IND/6: Actually Raul, we do need a stinkin' badger. Have you ever seen this guy carry a clip board? Seriously, he flaps his arms around and calls audibles with the best of 'em, and all from the relative safety of the sideline. Were Big Bro ever to get hurt, Polian would splurg for a mind transfer a la Young Frankenstein. The cuff I had to get in this format.

22.13 - WR Brandon Stokley DEN/6: You heard it here last, Cutler to Stokes will be at least half as successful as 2004's Big Bro to Stokes. These are the kind of picks championships are made of.

23.02 - TE Robert Royal BUF/10: I might be a loser in this format but at least I'm consistent. I'm high on the Buffalo offense (in case you missed the Lynch and/or A-Train selections), and I got a little late round jolt knowing I took a guy that Ruds was probably targeting.

24.13 - RB Kyle Johnson DEN/6: Here is where the molotov cocktail of homerism, sleep deprivation, and NFL replay came crashing into the BusMan. I made this pick immediately after Cutler hit KJ on a play I expect to see more than three times this season; the bootleg right FB flat untouched for a score.

 
BusMan said:
BusMan's draft:

I decided to throw my hat into the ring for this contest about 15 minutes before Dodds announced the MB selections. I should've spent more time thinking through my KDS preferences, but as I rolled near the bottom of the list I would've had a rather poor spot anyway. My simplistic thinking at the time of my posting Tuesday morning was:

...if I pick later in the first I can get three of the the top however many players and that would be cool and all...
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I should've focused on middle-of-the-round selections after the top three slots, as I would've avoided the inevitable positional runs and other related miscues that picking near the turn allow. I grew to like the specific strategic facets of picking near the turn, but it definitely affected the overall quality of my team which is a definite :thumbup: , :wall: , and :ptts: .The picks:

1.13 - QB Peyton Manning IND/6: Didn't like any of the RBs here, so I went with big bro for all my QB1 needs. Figured I could take whatever crap was left at RB after Bri picked.

2.02 - WR Chad Johnson CIN/5: Hey hey hey, whaddya know? The crap at RB at 1.13 was still crap at 2.02. I'll go ahead and lock up my WR1 here, although I'm gonna be hurting at RB. I've basically made my bed with Peyton and CJ, so if either of them don't put up #1 #s at their respective positions, I'm screwed.

3.02 - RB Ronnie Brown MIA/9: Not the ideal RB1 candidate for any FF team, but I'm still pleased to get him here after going QB/WR.

4.13 - RB Marshawn Lynch BUF/6: I like this pick. Whilst everyone was grabbing their WR2s, I got a solid upside RB2. I like Lynch's chances in an improving Buffalo offense. He should see plenty of dump off action out of the backfield as well.

5.02 - WR Jerricho Cotchery NYJ/10: I'm obviously high on J Cotch if I'm willing to take him as my second receiver. I actually think he can outperform Coles on a PPG basis, although he'll be less steady.

6.13 - WR Chris Chambers MIA/9: I'm pretty low on Chambers but at this point of the draft he's a value. This is the point where I really start focusing on Bri and anticipating who he might take. If he needs a WR, I'll take one and then fill another need after the turn.

7.02 - TE Kellen Winslow CLE/7: Winslow does have some question marks surrounding him, but at the end of the year, I anticipate he'll have as many receptions as Braylon, and I mean that in a good way.

8.13 - WR Jerry Porter OAK/5: Cue Porter for a major bounce back year. Veteran QB presence? check. Unproven WR talent around him? check. An offensive minded coach? check. A suspect running game? CHECKMATE.

Again I have Bri on a WR, so again I take one before the turn.

9.02 - QB Eli Manning NYG/9: I like little bro at this spot. I was looking at RB here but didn't like the options, so I picked up Eli for a Manningful year at QB.

10.13 - WR Amani Toomer NYG/9: Needed someone for little bro to throw TDs to when Big Bro is on his bye. Jets v. Giants in the Meadowlands week five? Can somebody say SPICY?

11.02 - RB Anthony Thomas BUF/6: I had been looking to cuff Lynch for a few rounds, but figured this would be my last viable option to make that happen. I'm higher than most on the Buffalo offense, so I'm liking my lock on the ground game.

12.13 - WR Bryant Johnson ARI/8: My hands-down #1 #3WR that won't be suspended for half of the season (hopefully). Were Boldin and/or Fitz to miss any time, BJ wouldn't miss a beat.

13.02 - RB Ron Dayne HOU/10: At this point in the draft I have to start gobbling up some RBs. Speaking of gobbling, I'm really looking forward to those post-Thanksgiving turkey sandwiches. They go great with a cold beer and Ron Dayne's annual late season explosion.

14.13 - RB Michael Bennett KC/8: He's my hero or zero pick. Probably zero. But its gotta worry C3PO, right?

15.02 - WR David Boston TBB/10: I honestly can't believe he didn't get snatched before here. Fell asleep at the wheel? No big deal. If Stovall were really having such a great camp, he would've already locked up the #2 spot. Boston will play 2002 Oakland Raider Tim Brown to Joey Galloway's Jerry Rice. :IBTL: IT UP!

16.13 - D/ST Minnesota Vikings MIN/5: Good thing I'm high on the Minny D this year as they're the only horse in my stable. I must've been getting tired because I never expected I wouldn't be able to grab a second D/ST.

17.02 - RB Mike Anderson BAL/8: I'm so low on McGahee I not only pass on him at 1.13 AND 2.02 but I also take his backup. MA will pound in some GL scores while McGahee is whining on the sideline.

18.13 - TE Chris Baker NYJ/10: Everyone else has more than one TE at this point. I might as well take a starter on a team whose quarterback can't throw it further than the TE can run. :penningtonandchasedig:

19.02 - PK Matt Stover BAL/8: Red rover red rover sent Matt Stover over to boot in some kicks. Bonus points for his multi-volume kicking anthology.

20.13 - PK Josh Scobee JAC/4: No WAY am I getting hosed out of a second kicker!

21.02 - QB Jim Sorgi IND/6: Actually Raul, we do need a stinkin' badger. Have you ever seen this guy carry a clip board? Seriously, he flaps his arms around and calls audibles with the best of 'em, and all from the relative safety of the sideline. Were Big Bro ever to get hurt, Polian would splurg for a mind transfer a la Young Frankenstein. The cuff I had to get in this format.

22.13 - WR Brandon Stokley DEN/6: You heard it here last, Cutler to Stokes will be at least half as successful as 2004's Big Bro to Stokes. These are the kind of picks championships are made of.

23.02 - TE Robert Royal BUF/10: I might be a loser in this format but at least I'm consistent. I'm high on the Buffalo offense (in case you missed the Lynch and/or A-Train selections), and I got a little late round jolt knowing I took a guy that Ruds was probably targeting.

24.13 - RB Kyle Johnson DEN/6: Here is where the molotov cocktail of homerism, sleep deprivation, and NFL replay came crashing into the BusMan. I made this pick immediately after Cutler hit KJ on a play I expect to see more than three times this season; the bootleg right FB flat untouched for a score.
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On the defenses, I did not understand why you let 20, yes 20, defenses go past you after you take Minny. You had three shots at a defense, but chose Mike Anderson, Chris Baker and Matt Stover. I understand the Anderson love and upside, but Chris Baker? When you took Stover (19.02), there were only nine defenses left and you had two full rounds between picks. I like the Eli, Cotchery, and Dayne picks. Dayne finished very well down the stretch last year. You will live or die each week at RB.

 
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On the defenses, I did not understand why you let 20, yes 20, defenses go past you after you take Minny. You had three shots at a defense, but chose Mike Anderson, Chris Baker and Matt Stover. I understand the Anderson love and upside, but Chris Baker? When you took Stover (19.02), there were only nine defenses left and you had two full rounds between picks. I like the Eli, Cotchery, and Dayne picks. Dayne finished very well down the stretch last year. You will live or die each week at RB.
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I simply never anticipated that ALL the defenses would get picked. That anticipation, was, well, how do I say this....?Incorrect.
 
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Jeff Tefertiller said:
On the defenses, I did not understand why you let 20, yes 20, defenses go past you after you take Minny. You had three shots at a defense, but chose Mike Anderson, Chris Baker and Matt Stover. I understand the Anderson love and upside, but Chris Baker? When you took Stover (19.02), there were only nine defenses left and you had two full rounds between picks. I like the Eli, Cotchery, and Dayne picks. Dayne finished very well down the stretch last year. You will live or die each week at RB.
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I simply never anticipated that ALL the defenses would get picked. That anticipation, was, well, how do I say this....?Incorrect.
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Gotcha
 
I can see it now...

When an staffer's picks pan out it will be the "shark move"

When the Poster's picks pan out it will be "dumb luck" that no one could have foreseen...or due to an injury that no one could predict...

Looking forward to the games starting...

 
:goodposting: If Brandon Jacobs somehow cracks the top 10 RBs I hope Bri bumps this thread and says 'IN YOUR FACE, NONBELIEVERS!!!!'
 
Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?

 
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Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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I don't understand that strategy either.
 
BassNBrew said:
Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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who? Best in the hobby at what?
 
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Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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I drafted an offensive system in Philly...I love McNabb's upside but if he is hurt then i am left with just a possible QB in KC...i wanted the QB in that system...if McNabb goes down i am done....I think this was a smart move....Would it not have made sense to have Garcia in the 22nd or 23rd round last year with McNabb or to have a late flier on a 3rd stringer RB or 4th string WR that may or may not ever help you....Injuries happen in the NFL, with no roster moves that was the move I wanted to make...It's very possible that some teams with just 2 qbs may not have a qb some weeks during the season
 
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Bri said:
BassNBrew said:
Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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who? Best in the hobby at what?
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Supposedly the guys Dodds think are bright enough to hire into his company and those he selects worthy to compete against them.
 
After having this draft, I can honestly say that the staff is excellent at what they do. I can only speak for myself with regards to the MB team and I will say that I feel like I have a very good team but it could have been a lot better. I think I had a great first 10 or so rounds and then I didn't get the guys I wanted as much. The staff taking solid guys at the right time had a lot to do with that. I've never competed in a best ball format and I think I will learn a lot from this year.

That said, I built a good team and I fully expect to compete in this league and I look forward to the results this year will bring. Good luck to all.

 
Warehouse Nasty said:
After having this draft, I can honestly say that the staff is excellent at what they do. I can only speak for myself with regards to the MB team and I will say that I feel like I have a very good team but it could have been a lot better. I think I had a great first 10 or so rounds and then I didn't get the guys I wanted as much. The staff taking solid guys at the right time had a lot to do with that. I've never competed in a best ball format and I think I will learn a lot from this year.That said, I built a good team and I fully expect to compete in this league and I look forward to the results this year will bring. Good luck to all.
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:thumbup: Very classy statement.
 
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Bri said:
BassNBrew said:
Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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who? Best in the hobby at what?
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Supposedly the guys Dodds think are bright enough to hire into his company and those he selects worthy to compete against them.
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I don't think "best in the hobby" fits and I love FBGs and respect and admire many staff members including those I drafted against. For example, I'd put Dodds up there if I were "building" a top 12 list and he didn't draft. I also think redraft is the best league/measure for this hobby.Two guys I drafted against I consider friends, Jeffs. I'm confident they would not be comfy with the best in the hobby label just yet but they're both on their way, IMO, to getting there. Years from now, maybe. I'm confident Tefertiller walked onto the staff better at FF than many of the staffers already there. I guess he's my underdog in this post.Carlton I've known and respected a long time, I would guess 10-11 years. I've filled in in drafts against him but never had just a normal draft against him. He's extremely sharp and could be just outside that top 12 for me. I'm sure he and DD know the old FanEx guys I'd begin listing and well this is a compliment to Clayton not an insult. To make my top 12, as if, I would have to see him in more expert leagues and of course win.Aaron is excellent at these best ball leagues and IDP.Chase I almost never agree with but I always chalk it up to Pats/Jets fan stuff. I love reading his fascinations with different stats and studies. So much so, I print them out from time to time, board post blog post...doesn't matter. I haven't seen Chase or Aaron in leagues. Anthony's new and I can't comment much on him. David is very methodical in his drafts and mr stat researcher and ...I have loads of respect for his work. OK I just got this book about my deceased Grandma's past memories, typing away quickly, and apparently I'm a bit sappy now. I suppose I think they're excellent but there's a big WWW outside of FBGs. I'd like to see them stack up against FanEx, FFWebmasters, Website Experts League and some of those types. I have seen other staff members struggle in experts leagues and for me, that's a good measuring stick. Ya know maybe they're a good writer and their rankings make sense and all but isn't applying it what counts most? Eh well I could see some visitors here only caring about the presented info not how they do so I could definitely see two sides to this. For me, it's results based to get into that top group. Not to say I don't have much respect for those I drafted against, as I mentioned above.ETA BNB I suppose I just wanted to reply, not so much disagree with your post
 
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BusMan said:
Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :ptts: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :lmao:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :thumbup:
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My team may not be top 3, but if you think my team is last in the league you obviously haven't reviewed the scoring system, nor realize it's best ball. Not only that, if you think your team is better then mine you're out of your mind. I've got you beat in every category except QB and possibly TE/PK. Sorry, but Ronnie Brown as RB1, and then backed up by Lynch? Also, Cotchery would be the 4th WR on my team, he's your #2.
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Full disclosure: I used DD to help me draft my team. I DID review the scoring system and I DO realize it's best ball. What effect that should have on my draft, I'm still processing. My method was to import the most recent projections into the PD, and weight them 25% Dodds, 25% Woods, 25% Smith, 15% Henry, and 10% Tremblay. I did this based on my general feel and agreement with their projections (no, I haven't yet taken the dive into doing my own projections).I then imported the PD files into DD and let it be my guide throughout the draft. The Win/Loss numbers I produced above come straight out of the DD at the end of the draft. I took a screen shot of the weekly points scored, translated those numbers into a spreadsheet, and then calculated each team's wins and losses based on those projected weekly point totals.

Obviously we disagree in how we value the respective players we drafted. I'm high on my players, as are you. That's kinda the way it should be, right? I usually took guys that DD were high on at my picks, so the DD evaluation is going to be high on my team. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing, eh?

The reason your projected win/loss totals are near the bottom is because the way I have DD set up it believes you'll be the lowest scoring team in weeks 2, 3, 4, and 8.

I haven't investigated your players matchups in weeks 2 and 3.

In week 4, you have Fred Taylor, Greg Jones, Santana Moss, and the New Orleans defense on bye.

In week 8, you have Tony Romo, Steve McNair, Larry Johnson, and Jason Witten on bye. You need to hope the Browns lose early and often so Quinn is playing by them, or you won't have a QB to play.

I meant no personal offense by my projected win/loss totals. I was simply uploading the results of my particular DD setup project for this league.

 
Warehouse Nasty said:
After having this draft, I can honestly say that the staff is excellent at what they do. I can only speak for myself with regards to the MB team and I will say that I feel like I have a very good team but it could have been a lot better. I think I had a great first 10 or so rounds and then I didn't get the guys I wanted as much. The staff taking solid guys at the right time had a lot to do with that. I've never competed in a best ball format and I think I will learn a lot from this year.That said, I built a good team and I fully expect to compete in this league and I look forward to the results this year will bring. Good luck to all.
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Well said, Nasty, and I completely agree. This was my first time swimming with the payrolled sharks, and there was definitely blood in the water, so to speak. It was a great opportunity, even if I was nodding off the last 12 rounds.
 
Warehouse Nasty said:
BusMan said:
Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :ptts: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :football:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :thumbup:
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Wow, I'm not sure I could disagree more wiht your projections! I think myself and TU are the top 2 MB teams and Jeff T is the top staff team! That's what makes it fun though; we'll see when the games start.
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See my justification above. My approach might be totally off-base, but I didn't just throw some numbers up there. I specifically aimed to have a team that scored in the top half of the teams each week, with no stinkers that would really create a hole.
 
BusMan said:
Warehouse Nasty said:
After having this draft, I can honestly say that the staff is excellent at what they do. I can only speak for myself with regards to the MB team and I will say that I feel like I have a very good team but it could have been a lot better. I think I had a great first 10 or so rounds and then I didn't get the guys I wanted as much. The staff taking solid guys at the right time had a lot to do with that. I've never competed in a best ball format and I think I will learn a lot from this year.That said, I built a good team and I fully expect to compete in this league and I look forward to the results this year will bring. Good luck to all.
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Well said, Nasty, and I completely agree. This was my first time swimming with the payrolled sharks, and there was definitely blood in the water, so to speak. It was a great opportunity, even if I was nodding off the last 12 rounds.
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I think if the staff had an advantage it's because many of us have played in bigger leagues and have some experience sifting through the bottom feeders. I also think that most of the staff are very up to date on current news and depth chart changes. I know personally that I check player news every couple hours and (sadly) I scour the NFL news wire for any news a few times a day. And I think I am one of the staff people that's on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of seeking out information.This is not to say that the MB crowd is not well educated or fantasy football knowledgable. But when you do enough leagues and drafts with deep rosters or a lot of teams, most of the time there will be teams stuck with fewer QB, DEF, or PK, so you learn not to get stuck in that position. It's one thing to be a good drafter in 10 team leagues with 18 man rosters (= 180 players drafted). It's a lot different with 14 or 16 teams and 24 man rosters (= 336 and 384 players drafted) as the talent pool gets diluted pretty quickly.
 
Soaring Eagle said:
BassNBrew said:
Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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I drafted an offensive system in Philly...I love McNabb's upside but if he is hurt then i am left with just a possible QB in KC...i wanted the QB in that system...if McNabb goes down i am done....I think this was a smart move....Would it not have made sense to have Garcia in the 22nd or 23rd round last year with McNabb or to have a late flier on a 3rd stringer RB or 4th string WR that may or may not ever help you....Injuries happen in the NFL, with no roster moves that was the move I wanted to make...It's very possible that some teams with just 2 qbs may not have a qb some weeks during the season
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I did the same thing with the Indy QBs. I took Sorgi because I feel like there is slightly more risk of a Big Bro injury with a rookie at LT instead of the now retired Glenn. The way Peyton runs the QBs in practice, he's been able to mold Sorgi into a mini-Big Bro---significantly less talented, but still very well versed in the system. He knows the reads and progressions, knows how to call the protections, and would be able to produce given all the other weapons in Indy.I wouldn't have cuffed any other QB, with the very slightest possible exception of Palmer.Please tell me why this thinking is wrong, though, because this is my first draft in this type of a format, and I'm still working on the notes for my Matt Stover-inspired daily FF journal. :football: No seriously, poke some holes in my theory.
 
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Soaring Eagle said:
BassNBrew said:
Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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I drafted an offensive system in Philly...I love McNabb's upside but if he is hurt then i am left with just a possible QB in KC...i wanted the QB in that system...if McNabb goes down i am done....I think this was a smart move....Would it not have made sense to have Garcia in the 22nd or 23rd round last year with McNabb or to have a late flier on a 3rd stringer RB or 4th string WR that may or may not ever help you....Injuries happen in the NFL, with no roster moves that was the move I wanted to make...It's very possible that some teams with just 2 qbs may not have a qb some weeks during the season
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I did the same thing with the Indy QBs. I took Sorgi because I feel like there is slightly more risk of a Big Bro injury with a rookie at LT instead of the now retired Glenn. The way Peyton runs the QBs in practice, he's been able to mold Sorgi into a mini-Big Bro---significantly less talented, but still very well versed in the system. He knows the reads and progressions, knows how to call the protections, and would be able to produce given all the other weapons in Indy.I wouldn't have cuffed any other QB, with the very slightest possible exception of Palmer.Please tell me why this thinking is wrong, though, because this is my first draft in this type of a format, and I'm still working on the notes for my Matt Stover-inspired daily FF journal. :goodposting: No seriously, poke some holes in my theory.
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Any theory is great when it works. BUt if Manning plays and doesn't get hurt the Sorgi pick will have been a wasted pick. I personally am less concerned about what people think about strategies and certain picks. For example, if I really felt Jacobs was going to be a Top 10 RB I could careless if people thought I made a stupid pick. Speaking from experience, there were plenty of times I picked guys and literally got laughed at beacue I took players WAY too early and sometimes others would never have drafted them. But when the names of those players are Gates, Portis, McAllister, Chad Johnson, etc. and they exploded from nobodies to somebodies and I kicked major butt then they shut up pretty quick.At a certain point in every draft, most of the picks turn into wings and a prayer and hoping good things will happen. Earlier this year I got flack for taking Priest Holmes in like the 18th round of a staff draft for it being a bad pick. It was the 18th round . . . how many guys on the board really have much value at that point? As an isolated pick taking Sorgi is not going to hurt you. BUt sometimes teams do this several times and it becomes essentially teams with 24 players up against ones with 20 if there are too many handcuffs.I'm pretty sure this league will turn out way different than some are predicted if for no other reason that's how things normally work out. I remember one year in the Staff/MB Survivor I was a huge favorite but I had a lot of injuries and my QBs ended up getting benched and I got crushed. But they looked great in Week 1 . . .
 
David Yudkin said:
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Soaring Eagle said:
BassNBrew said:
Question to those who chose to handcuff a backup QB behind a stud QB. Were you that confident in your team finishing on top against the best in the hobby that you felt like burning a roster spot was no problem? We're you not comfortable with your #2 QB? Ran out of guys to draft?
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I drafted an offensive system in Philly...I love McNabb's upside but if he is hurt then i am left with just a possible QB in KC...i wanted the QB in that system...if McNabb goes down i am done....I think this was a smart move....Would it not have made sense to have Garcia in the 22nd or 23rd round last year with McNabb or to have a late flier on a 3rd stringer RB or 4th string WR that may or may not ever help you....Injuries happen in the NFL, with no roster moves that was the move I wanted to make...It's very possible that some teams with just 2 qbs may not have a qb some weeks during the season
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I did the same thing with the Indy QBs. I took Sorgi because I feel like there is slightly more risk of a Big Bro injury with a rookie at LT instead of the now retired Glenn. The way Peyton runs the QBs in practice, he's been able to mold Sorgi into a mini-Big Bro---significantly less talented, but still very well versed in the system. He knows the reads and progressions, knows how to call the protections, and would be able to produce given all the other weapons in Indy.I wouldn't have cuffed any other QB, with the very slightest possible exception of Palmer.Please tell me why this thinking is wrong, though, because this is my first draft in this type of a format, and I'm still working on the notes for my Matt Stover-inspired daily FF journal. :D No seriously, poke some holes in my theory.
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Any theory is great when it works. BUt if Manning plays and doesn't get hurt the Sorgi pick will have been a wasted pick. I personally am less concerned about what people think about strategies and certain picks. For example, if I really felt Jacobs was going to be a Top 10 RB I could careless if people thought I made a stupid pick. Speaking from experience, there were plenty of times I picked guys and literally got laughed at beacue I took players WAY too early and sometimes others would never have drafted them. But when the names of those players are Gates, Portis, McAllister, Chad Johnson, etc. and they exploded from nobodies to somebodies and I kicked major butt then they shut up pretty quick.At a certain point in every draft, most of the picks turn into wings and a prayer and hoping good things will happen. Earlier this year I got flack for taking Priest Holmes in like the 18th round of a staff draft for it being a bad pick. It was the 18th round . . . how many guys on the board really have much value at that point? As an isolated pick taking Sorgi is not going to hurt you. BUt sometimes teams do this several times and it becomes essentially teams with 24 players up against ones with 20 if there are too many handcuffs.I'm pretty sure this league will turn out way different than some are predicted if for no other reason that's how things normally work out. I remember one year in the Staff/MB Survivor I was a huge favorite but I had a lot of injuries and my QBs ended up getting benched and I got crushed. But they looked great in Week 1 . . .
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That is both the appeal and the frustration of this kind of league setup---you draft and you're done. I like to devote my limited FF time to managing my most important teams, so best ball and/or survivor formats are very appealing to those who want a really hardcore mock experience. Hopefully this exercise has been enlightening for upcoming NFFC drafters, on top of being a heckuva lot of fun for the drafters. And with the certain uncertainty that comes when you're six days in front of the season, us MBers might still have a slim chance at that sweet three-year deal. :ninja:
 
BusMan said:
That is both the appeal and the frustration of this kind of league setup---you draft and you're done. I like to devote my limited FF time to managing my most important teams, so best ball and/or survivor formats are very appealing to those who want a really hardcore mock experience. Hopefully this exercise has been enlightening for upcoming NFFC drafters, on top of being a heckuva lot of fun for the drafters. And with the certain uncertainty that comes when you're six days in front of the season, us MBers might still have a slim chance at that sweet three-year deal. :ninja:
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I've drafted so many teams lately (like 15) that I started to get fried a while ago. I didn't even find out I was in this draft until the night before and did zero prep work to try to figure out the best course of action. The only real wrinkle for me was the 3RR reversal part and having rolled the highest die roll I had no choice where to draft from anyway. I agree that with the proper research and planning I think many of us likely would have done a little better.
 
BusMan said:
ceo3west said:
BusMan said:
Sorry I haven't chimed in yet today guys. The five hour draft combined with work really crunching today (four interviews already) has delayed my analysis. I know I know :lmao: and all. Here's a quick tidbit to chew on though:

BusMan's projected league results:

Staff in red (like an infected throat/lung/toe) and MB in doodoo brown. :homer:

Rudnicki - 167-41

Stuart - 137-71

BusMan - 133-75

Gray - 124-84

Pasquino - 116-92

Yudkin - 107-101

Gridiron Menace - 103-105

Borbely - 93-115

Soaring Eagle - 90-118

Bri - 83-125

Tefertiller - 81-127

Warehouse Nasty - 81-127

Tremendous Upside - 78-130

ceo3west - 71-137

Final totals:

Staff 25

MB 6

Looks like I'll need to keep recapping to get my comped subscriptions. :excited:
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My team may not be top 3, but if you think my team is last in the league you obviously haven't reviewed the scoring system, nor realize it's best ball. Not only that, if you think your team is better then mine you're out of your mind. I've got you beat in every category except QB and possibly TE/PK. Sorry, but Ronnie Brown as RB1, and then backed up by Lynch? Also, Cotchery would be the 4th WR on my team, he's your #2.
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Full disclosure: I used DD to help me draft my team. I DID review the scoring system and I DO realize it's best ball. What effect that should have on my draft, I'm still processing. My method was to import the most recent projections into the PD, and weight them 25% Dodds, 25% Woods, 25% Smith, 15% Henry, and 10% Tremblay. I did this based on my general feel and agreement with their projections (no, I haven't yet taken the dive into doing my own projections).I then imported the PD files into DD and let it be my guide throughout the draft. The Win/Loss numbers I produced above come straight out of the DD at the end of the draft. I took a screen shot of the weekly points scored, translated those numbers into a spreadsheet, and then calculated each team's wins and losses based on those projected weekly point totals.

Obviously we disagree in how we value the respective players we drafted. I'm high on my players, as are you. That's kinda the way it should be, right? I usually took guys that DD were high on at my picks, so the DD evaluation is going to be high on my team. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing, eh?

The reason your projected win/loss totals are near the bottom is because the way I have DD set up it believes you'll be the lowest scoring team in weeks 2, 3, 4, and 8.

I haven't investigated your players matchups in weeks 2 and 3.

In week 4, you have Fred Taylor, Greg Jones, Santana Moss, and the New Orleans defense on bye.

In week 8, you have Tony Romo, Steve McNair, Larry Johnson, and Jason Witten on bye. You need to hope the Browns lose early and often so Quinn is playing by them, or you won't have a QB to play.

I meant no personal offense by my projected win/loss totals. I was simply uploading the results of my particular DD setup project for this league.
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I assume you realize that since you used DD to draft off of, it shows you as a contender. I tweaked some things in preparation because it was best ball. I assume some others did as well. I can say that doing all of the Survivor drafts this spring helped me a ton in prep of this, and other drafts. Those 16 teamers are great learning situations with some strong players.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Warehouse Nasty said:
After having this draft, I can honestly say that the staff is excellent at what they do. I can only speak for myself with regards to the MB team and I will say that I feel like I have a very good team but it could have been a lot better. I think I had a great first 10 or so rounds and then I didn't get the guys I wanted as much. The staff taking solid guys at the right time had a lot to do with that. I've never competed in a best ball format and I think I will learn a lot from this year.That said, I built a good team and I fully expect to compete in this league and I look forward to the results this year will bring. Good luck to all.
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:football: Very classy statement.
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:thumbup: agreed.
 


BassNBrew said:
Captain Hook said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I like my squad so far1.01 RB LaDanian Tomlinson, 73.14 RB Cadillac Williams, 105.14 RB LaMont Jordan, 52.14 WR Roy Williams, 64.01 WR Braylon Edwards, 76.01 WR Bernard Berrian, 9
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Love LT and your WR, but :X Caddy and Jordan
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It's fun watching him unravel under the pressure of LT.
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Fiddles said:
Captain Hook said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I like my squad so far1.01 RB LaDanian Tomlinson, 73.14 RB Cadillac Williams, 105.14 RB LaMont Jordan, 52.14 WR Roy Williams, 64.01 WR Braylon Edwards, 76.01 WR Bernard Berrian, 9
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Love LT and your WR, but :thumbdown: Caddy and Jordan
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agree here
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LHUCKS said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I like my squad so far1.01 RB LaDanian Tomlinson, 73.14 RB Cadillac Williams, 105.14 RB LaMont Jordan, 52.14 WR Roy Williams, 64.01 WR Braylon Edwards, 76.01 WR Bernard Berrian, 9
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Looks good to me...what other backs were available at 5.14?
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LaMont Jordan = SOD
 
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