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Who's your Team To Tank? (1 Viewer)
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
Green Bay Packers. If they can't establish some kind of running game Favre is going to get killed. Even if he does have time where are the WR's? Driver's worthy but gets hurt alot, after that nothing but hopefuls. The D may be stiffer than last year but if the O doens't get going the D won't be able to stop the bleeding. I see double digit losses for the storied franchise with a possible in-season Favre retirement.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
picked the three that stood out most on each side of the coin
primed to tank:
Baltimore Ravens from 13-3 to around 9-7
Kansas City Chiefs from 9-7 to around 5-11
Green Bay Packers from 8-8 to around 3-13
primed to improve:
Detroit Lions from 3-13 to around 7-9
Houston Texans from 6-10 to around 8-8
Pittsburgh Steelers from 8-8 to around 12-4
primed to tank:
Baltimore Ravens from 13-3 to around 9-7
Kansas City Chiefs from 9-7 to around 5-11
Green Bay Packers from 8-8 to around 3-13
primed to improve:
Detroit Lions from 3-13 to around 7-9
Houston Texans from 6-10 to around 8-8
Pittsburgh Steelers from 8-8 to around 12-4
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Last year they ranked 23rd in rushing yards and 24th in rushing TDs.Who were his WRs last year? Oh wait...same as this year only Jennings has a year under his belt and so do the #4 and #5 WRs.Driver gets hurt alot? He has missed 1 game since becoming a regular starter. At least use facts...youd think with a name like stat cruncher you would know that.In-season retirement from Favre? Barring a major injury, do you think he would ever go out a quitter?
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
I think the Giants will be about 4-12 this year. Will be challenging the Chiefs for "biggest tanker".
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Those are my two picks as well.The Seahawks are my third choice.
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purestrength
Footballguy
When I saw the title of this thread, "Baltimore Ravens" immediately jumped into my head.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
I think we'll see just how much of an impact Adalius Thomas made to the team in any case.
Dodge
Footballguy
Being a Giants homer, I don't think we'll fall at all this year. I think we will sustain the same middle of the pack record from 7-9 to 9-7. I expect to see another 8-8 season. That is if we don't loose our whole defense to injury again.
To answer the question, I think we'll see Seahawks or Chicago fall this year.
To answer the question, I think we'll see Seahawks or Chicago fall this year.
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TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I think Chicago will drop, but that doesn't mean anyone in the NFC North is going to catch them.
I see them as a 9 or 10 win team, and mostly because they have the luxury of playing the Packers, Vikings, and Lions twice.
In the AFC, I see Kansas City from nine wins to 6.
I see them as a 9 or 10 win team, and mostly because they have the luxury of playing the Packers, Vikings, and Lions twice.
In the AFC, I see Kansas City from nine wins to 6.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Just don't see how a team can lose their best offensive player, and almost lose their best defensive player and not take a drop.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
I didn't say Driver missed alot of games, I said he gets hurt alot. There is a huge difference between a healthy WR and a WR who is playing through an injury. Don't forget they are replacing Ahman Green with Vernand Morency and rookie Brandon Jackson. I would imagine opposing D's will be much quicker to disrespect the run and concentrate on shutting down the pass.Yes, WR3 Ruvell Martin now has an another year and another 21 catches to his name. In '04 he was undrafted but then picked up by the Chargers and waived during training camp. In '05 the Bolts re-signed him and sent him to NFL Europe. They then waived him in the last preseason cuts. The Pack signed him to the practice squad and in '06 he played in NFL games. Should be a solid possession receiver with more reps but it doesn't appear he will every be a star or game-changer. Unless I'm mistaken the WR4 is rookie James Jones.No, I don't think Favre is a quitter, I think he might have stayed too long. His completion percentage has dropped every year since 2003 and for the last 2 years he has failed to thrown more TD's than INT's. In the past 2 years he set a career low for TD % twice and has set a career high for INT %. Management has been quietly watching his skills slowly erode while waiting for him to gracefully bow out and let the team start the rebuilding. Obviously he hasn't. If this team starts 2-6 what would be the point of letting Favre continue to play? Aaron Rogers is the future and he has been cashing a check for 2 years now waiting for his turn. He's not going to get better without actually stepping into a game situation. I respect everything that Favre has brought to the table but I also believe management may need to bench him to allow the franchise to avoid wasting the last half of the season. If that happens I can see Favre too proud to finish as a back-up and finding a "season-ending" injury to segue into retirement.
The posters predicting for the Packers to falter confuse me. The team came on strong last year and all they did was gel as a stronger defensive unit. Yeah, the RBs seem a little weak but do me a favor (especially "stat"cruncher) and tell me what the RBs did when Ahman Green wasnt playing. I'll give you a little insight: Vernand Morency gets the start against the Eagles and runs for 99 yards and 19 yards receiving. Noah Herron gets the start again St. Louis and runs for 106 yards and a TD and 20 yards receiving. So I wouldnt be worried about the running game as it wasnt a problem when Ahman wasnt in the game last year.
And Sho Nuff already touched on everything else. To say that the Packers are gonna go from a team that came on strong and was one game out of the playoffs to a basement dweller all because they lost Ahman Green...come on. You may as well say that Houston Texans are going to really turn it around because they signed him. Im not going to predict Green Bay to improve to 14 wins or anything but I wouldnt be suprised if they win totals swing two games either way.
And Sho Nuff already touched on everything else. To say that the Packers are gonna go from a team that came on strong and was one game out of the playoffs to a basement dweller all because they lost Ahman Green...come on. You may as well say that Houston Texans are going to really turn it around because they signed him. Im not going to predict Green Bay to improve to 14 wins or anything but I wouldnt be suprised if they win totals swing two games either way.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
you think that Arizona and San Francisco are locks to finish better than 6-10?
sho nuff
Footballguy
I guess I will take a guy who "gets hurt alot" yet plays and produces on a high level ever year. But maybe that is just me.And yes, the running game has its questions, no doubt, but its not as if they were world beaters running the ball last year with 3 rookies on the line either.Martin is actually the #4 guy...Jones is the #3. And looks to be a good #3 right now too. Not claiming Ruvell will be a star...but last year he was needed a bit more because of injuries and suspensions. This year he has more experience, a full camp with the team working with starters here and there. Oh...and if he gets reinstated let us not forget Koren Robinson's possible comeback and where he might fit in.I think his completion percentage will be a bit better this year. I say this for a few reasons. One, better protection from a line with more experience. More familiarity with his WRs. (Jennings in his 2nd year and the aforementioned Martin). Relying on shorter passes rather than longer routes all the time. And this one I think is important as they may use those short passes as other teams would use runs. Short routes, gain 4-6 yards. Watch his preseason games and you would see what I mean there.Thompson and McCarthy will not bench Favre unless he is hurt bad and playing horrible. Its not going to happen. And with only he and Rodgers on the roster, I would not see him retiring right there and not sticking around to be there if he needs to be for that team.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Ravens are returning 10 of 11 starters on defense and upgraded their running game. what am I missing?
Some bonus goodies: Demetrius Williams expanded role / a 3rd year Mark Clayton / a healthy Todd Heap/McNair
I got the Ravens winning the Superbowl. Alot of those guys on D know the windows about to close and they have been pushing McGahee all off-season.
Some bonus goodies: Demetrius Williams expanded role / a 3rd year Mark Clayton / a healthy Todd Heap/McNair
I got the Ravens winning the Superbowl. Alot of those guys on D know the windows about to close and they have been pushing McGahee all off-season.
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Dodge
Footballguy
I don't think losing just Tiki will cause us to win less games overall. If you remember the season last year we lost 2-4 games just because the defense sucked. At one point we were missing Strahan, Osi, Tuck, Emmons, Arrington, Webster, Madison with plenty of others banged up. If our defense stayed remotely healthy we would of won 2 more games I think. That opinion stated, I think not having Tiki could keep up us at 7-9 wins barring no big injuries like last year.
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My team to tank:
One of the teams in the AFC north (outside of the Browns, that's obvious) and Im leaning towards the Bengals. I could see them getting swept by all the teams in their division and even splitting the Browns series. And then they play teams with pretty potent offenses (or at least the ingredients to be one) so their offense is going to have to be able to keep up because their D isnt going to be there to pick up the pieces. It's going to be hard for any team to be clicking on all fronts but I feel as if the Bengals have to every game to stay in the hunt. 5-11 isnt out of the question.
I had to go out on a limb, I could see the other AFC north teams taking a stumble also but for this thread I chose the Bengals.
One of the teams in the AFC north (outside of the Browns, that's obvious) and Im leaning towards the Bengals. I could see them getting swept by all the teams in their division and even splitting the Browns series. And then they play teams with pretty potent offenses (or at least the ingredients to be one) so their offense is going to have to be able to keep up because their D isnt going to be there to pick up the pieces. It's going to be hard for any team to be clicking on all fronts but I feel as if the Bengals have to every game to stay in the hunt. 5-11 isnt out of the question.
I had to go out on a limb, I could see the other AFC north teams taking a stumble also but for this thread I chose the Bengals.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
In a 31 - 9 loss to the Eagles Morency got 99 yards against a prevent defense by rushing the ball 26 times for a 3.8 yard per carry average.
In a 23 - 20 loss in week 5 to the Rams the Packers amassed 121 rushing yards. In the first 14 weeks of the season the Rams only held 3 teams to 121 yards rushing or less (Detroit 93yds, Arizona 101 yds, Packers 121 yds). The remaining 11 teams averaged 155 yards rushing.
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mdog1967
Footballguy
I think they are locks to compete for the Division title with the Rams. I would give the Edge to the 9rs and Cards. I dont think the Rams did enough in the offseason to improve. Either way I have Seattle finishing last as well.
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brednbuddah
Footballguy
I think my Jets could take a step backward this year.
a) Tougher sched
b) Kendall left a big problem on the Oline.
c) Pennington´s arm
d) Jones´ calf/achillies is a question mark.
They start the season at home against NE, then go to Baltimore. They could easily start off 0-2.
7 - 9 this year, but at least they´ll be better than the Giants.
Then again, I didn´t think they´d win 6 games last year and they went to the playoffs, so what do I know.
a) Tougher sched
b) Kendall left a big problem on the Oline.
c) Pennington´s arm
d) Jones´ calf/achillies is a question mark.
They start the season at home against NE, then go to Baltimore. They could easily start off 0-2.
7 - 9 this year, but at least they´ll be better than the Giants.
Then again, I didn´t think they´d win 6 games last year and they went to the playoffs, so what do I know.
laughinboy_2000
Footballguy
You guys are posting teams that are obvious!
My team to tank..
Bold pick, but I'm going with the Chicago Bears! Why?
1. Don't believe in GrossMan
2. Cedric Benson is unproven and has durability issues
3. They will truely miss Thomas Jones.
4. Much harder schedule, which starts week one against LT and company.
My team to tank..
Bold pick, but I'm going with the Chicago Bears! Why?
1. Don't believe in GrossMan
2. Cedric Benson is unproven and has durability issues
3. They will truely miss Thomas Jones.
4. Much harder schedule, which starts week one against LT and company.
laughinboy_2000
Footballguy
My predicted record for Da' Bears 7-9, possibly making the playoffs but getting ousted in the first round.You guys are posting teams that are obvious!My team to tank..Bold pick, but I'm going with the Chicago Bears! Why?1. Don't believe in GrossMan2. Cedric Benson is unproven and has durability issues3. They will truely miss Thomas Jones.4. Much harder schedule, which starts week one against LT and company.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
Bears fans should be happy if Benson leaves the Charges game with only a mild concussion that sidelines him for 2 weeks.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Except that that he had 11 carries for 44 yards in the first half which ended with the Packers up 9-7.Added 2 carries for 14 yards to start the 3rd quarter after Philly's FG put them ahead 10-7. Making it 13 carries for 58 yards.Philly scores making it 17-9 and he has one carry for 3 yards. So, still no prevent and he has 14 carries for 61 yards.Philly scores again making it 24-9. If I concede here they may have gone to a softer D...here is what you have the rest of the way.10 carries for 29 yards against the prevent.Seriously, for a statcruncher, you are terrible at looking at stats or using facts.To sum up.While still in the game or even leading, he had 14 carries for 61 yards (4.4 yards per carry)While down and facing softer defenses, he had 10 carries for 29 yards (2.9 yards per carry)Care to retract your statement?Lets also forget that the Packers played 2 rookies all year long, and sometimes 3...and their center had limited experience...oh yeah and were working for the first time with the zone blocking scheme.
I dont think anything is a lock. This thread is about predictions. Im makeing one. I do think that Stl, AZ, and 49ers finish better than 6-10.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
In those 2 games compared to Favre's season averages his passing attempts and INT's were higher while the completion percentage, passing yards, and TD's were lower. Probably because the D's stacked the pass and ignored the run. It must have worked because the Pack lost both games.
MarcO
Footballguy
I would LOVE to hear why a team that finished 9-7 last year with bits and pieces of their starting lineup would suddenly lose 3 more games this year...let me guess - losing D-Jack? let's not forget the Hawks won 11 straight games WITHOUT Jackson on their way to the SuperBowl two years ago.
or maybe the O-Line- How could it possibly get any worse that last year? the DEF? well they were without Tubbs last year too and the secondary was worse off than they are now - I just don't see it.
For the record you could make a case for any team in the NFC west to win or come in last place in that division but I don't think it will be a t 6-10.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Actually the Eagles were down 7-9 in the first half when Morency went 12 rushes for 50 yards.Then the Eagles first possession of the second half they got a field goal and went up 10-9.Then on GBs first possession of the second half Morency rushed 2 times for 14 yards and GB missed a field goal.Then the Eagles scored another TD and went up 17-9.Then Morency had 1 rush for 3 yards and Favre got intercepted. Philly scored and went up 24-9.So while the game was still close Morency rushed 15 times for 67 yards (4.46 per carry).
sho nuff
Footballguy
Or because Phily's D is softer against the run once you get past the initial aggressive blitz and Johnson (Philly's DC) has owned Favre the past few years.But don't give me the BS about being in a prevent because the final score was so lopsided. The majority of his carries and yards came with the Packers ahead or right in the game (within a TD) Sorry, but you were wrong.You may procede with more ignorance if you wish.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Already covered. And already excuses flying...http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7283198
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Easy dude, I'm new here and wasn't expecting my first stalker for another week or so. We both have opinions and should be able to discuss them like adults. Now that I have reviewed the unalienable facts you have presented I see the Pack going 15-1. Can we be friends now?
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
New guy should fit in pretty well around here.But is someone going to warn him that there's no such thing as "discussing like adults" in The Pool?
twitch
Footballguy
Baltimore will definitely not win 13 this year.
KC will not win 9.
San Fran will NOT win 7 games again. Too much mediocre depth in that division, and their top 2 receivers are either injury prone or suck. And they still dont have enough players on that team that know how to win.
The Jets will not win 10 games. Buffalo is an improved team, and I predict will finish 2nd in that division.
Pittsburgh will win more than 8 games, but Roethlisberger simply has to learn not to be such a slinger and turn the ball over. Im sure he'll have a better year than last, but he's still the weak link, imo.
Green Bay will finish 2nd in that division, but they'll go only as far as their running game allows. Their D looks to be solid.
Detroit will suck again, but they'll win more games than last year.
Denver is the most overhyped team in the league. They are expected by most to be a playoff team. With Jay Cutler at the helm, a guy not accustomed to winning, I dont buy it.
Oakland will win half their games this year if Culpepper is healthy and given the reigns. Screwing around with McCown at QB is a waste of time and everyone knows it, so that's not a good sign.
Washington will have a much better D this year....good enough to be in the playoff hunt. That division is a crapshoot again. Each of those teams are good.
Im not buying that the Giants are struggling to 5 or 6 wins. That team is loaded with veterans that have made the playoffs back to back years and knows how to win games. Theyre not all of a sudden going to suck just because their ex-big mouth RB retired early.
I think Cinci will struggle to win 8 games. Their D is bad, their Oline is questionable, and they'll miss Chris Henry more than most are acknowledging.
New England will win 14 games this year....with or without anyone.
The Colts have 12 rookies......TWELVE...on their 53 man roster. Im no rocket scientist, but considering there are only 7 rounds in the NFL draft, that just doesnt sound good. I think their chances of repeating this year are slim.
San Diego may not win 14 this year, but they'll still be rock solid, and Philip Rivers will be an MVP candidate as teams completely stack the line trying to shut down LT.
I like Dallas and New England in the Superbowl, with the Pats winning 34-24.
KC will not win 9.
San Fran will NOT win 7 games again. Too much mediocre depth in that division, and their top 2 receivers are either injury prone or suck. And they still dont have enough players on that team that know how to win.
The Jets will not win 10 games. Buffalo is an improved team, and I predict will finish 2nd in that division.
Pittsburgh will win more than 8 games, but Roethlisberger simply has to learn not to be such a slinger and turn the ball over. Im sure he'll have a better year than last, but he's still the weak link, imo.
Green Bay will finish 2nd in that division, but they'll go only as far as their running game allows. Their D looks to be solid.
Detroit will suck again, but they'll win more games than last year.
Denver is the most overhyped team in the league. They are expected by most to be a playoff team. With Jay Cutler at the helm, a guy not accustomed to winning, I dont buy it.
Oakland will win half their games this year if Culpepper is healthy and given the reigns. Screwing around with McCown at QB is a waste of time and everyone knows it, so that's not a good sign.
Washington will have a much better D this year....good enough to be in the playoff hunt. That division is a crapshoot again. Each of those teams are good.
Im not buying that the Giants are struggling to 5 or 6 wins. That team is loaded with veterans that have made the playoffs back to back years and knows how to win games. Theyre not all of a sudden going to suck just because their ex-big mouth RB retired early.
I think Cinci will struggle to win 8 games. Their D is bad, their Oline is questionable, and they'll miss Chris Henry more than most are acknowledging.
New England will win 14 games this year....with or without anyone.
The Colts have 12 rookies......TWELVE...on their 53 man roster. Im no rocket scientist, but considering there are only 7 rounds in the NFL draft, that just doesnt sound good. I think their chances of repeating this year are slim.
San Diego may not win 14 this year, but they'll still be rock solid, and Philip Rivers will be an MVP candidate as teams completely stack the line trying to shut down LT.
I like Dallas and New England in the Superbowl, with the Pats winning 34-24.
Other teams in their division got better. Other teams are younger and I think Seattles age will catch up with them this year. In addition to the tough in division scheudle they play Cin, Pit, NO, Chi, Phi, Bal. Thats rough.Plus a drop from 9-7 to 6-10 isnt exactly a monumental dropoff. I know that they had a lot go wrong last year but sometimes players dont bounce back to the levels that they used to play at. Sometimes they regress. I think their window has closed.I would LOVE to hear why a team that finished 9-7 last year with bits and pieces of their starting lineup would suddenly lose 3 more games this year...
let me guess - losing D-Jack? let's not forget the Hawks won 11 straight games WITHOUT Jackson on their way to the SuperBowl two years ago.
or maybe the O-Line- How could it possibly get any worse that last year? the DEF? well they were without Tubbs last year too and the secondary was worse off than they are now - I just don't see it.
For the record you could make a case for any team in the NFC west to win or come in last place in that division but I don't think it will be a t 6-10.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Stalker? Please. I can discuss things like adults.Ignorance is a state of not knowing. When you post things about Morency that are blatantly false, that tag applied quite well.15-1? Nah. Im a Packer fan and have called for them to be 8-8 again.I have no problem discussing their issues, but at least be factual about it.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
KC
BroadwayG
Footballguy
That not why we here.There may be a 'Which teams won't change much' thread out there for you.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
Interesting. Would love to hear you expand on this one if it's more than just a 'gut feeling' kind of thing.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They won't win 14, but discounting Turner offhand is not right either. Even if they go 10-6, Turner at least gives them a better chance than Schottenheimer in the playoffs. And before you ask "Why?" I'll just tell you it's "Just because."
CalBear
Footballguy
Schottenheimer has 4 more playoff wins than Turner.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
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