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Is Vanden Bosch playing ? (1 Viewer)
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I Am Rick James
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WTF? Can't find anything on him.
I Am Rick James
Footballguy
Footballguys had that "ghost" listed as a top 5 DL this week.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Started him over Kerney because they said so, also started Carriker over OGun because i thought they knew something i didnt. Should have known better, Briggs was never in their top 10-15 LB's last year, yet he finished the season as a top 10 LB.Im certainly not blaming them however, i am responsible for my own decisions.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Here is the thing with IDPs: A lot of times their fantasy scores are based on big plays, which are not the easiest thing to predict. That is in general.
Now analyze the Jags-Titans game. Who in their right mind would have believed Tennessee would have the ball 36 minutes, compared to under 24 for Jacksonville. The Jags did not have the ball very long, which is why most of their defensive players had poor fantasy weeks.
Nobody would have predicted the Titans to run for 282 yards and control the clock that long, which had a huge impact on the IDP scores.
Now analyze the Jags-Titans game. Who in their right mind would have believed Tennessee would have the ball 36 minutes, compared to under 24 for Jacksonville. The Jags did not have the ball very long, which is why most of their defensive players had poor fantasy weeks.
Nobody would have predicted the Titans to run for 282 yards and control the clock that long, which had a huge impact on the IDP scores.
Young 8
Footballguy
i found this on Rotoworld
The Titans have moved Kyle Vanden Bosch to right defensive end.
Vanden Bosch will see fewer "chips" going against the weak side of the offensive line, but will face off against better players. Antwan Odom will start opposite him and be replaced by Travis LaBoy on obvious passing downs.
could this affect his stats ???
The Titans have moved Kyle Vanden Bosch to right defensive end.
Vanden Bosch will see fewer "chips" going against the weak side of the offensive line, but will face off against better players. Antwan Odom will start opposite him and be replaced by Travis LaBoy on obvious passing downs.
could this affect his stats ???
I Am Rick James
Footballguy
I understand all that, but I punched in my custom "tackle heavy" rules and the wk1 cheatsheet listed Vanden Ghost as top 3. Something must have happened for him to have 0 stats. Does anybody know how many of the 24 minutes he played? With him going up against Peyton next week, he just became a waiver wire candidate. Maybe I should pick up Ward. Jarod Allen will be back in week 3 for me. Does anybody have a week 2 takcle heavy DL sleeper?
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I would chalk this up as a player having an off game, and also not having many chances to make plays. The Jags ran 18 times and completed 17 passes...that is only 35 plays where he could get a non sack tackle.
He is proven and I think it would be foolish to cut him.
He is proven and I think it would be foolish to cut him.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
No one can promise you that Vanden Bosch will be a stud this year.
In 2006, he had 54 tackles -- 5th among defensive linemen -- and had four games where he made only one tackle. Tony is correctly pointing out that the Titans faced a well below average number of offensive plays. To put it in perspective, the average number of offensive plays faced per game in 2006 per team was 62. The Titans faced 48. Should VDB have made a tackle or two? Maybe. Did he get dinged and we've yet to hear about it? Maybe.
But Vanden Bosch's history -- including two games against Garrard last season where he finished 5-0-0 and 4-1-1.5 -- strongly suggests that this is a fluke. Reacting to a stat line like this is asking for trouble. Everyone who dumped Aaron Schobel early last season without considering the reasons for his uncharacteristic stat lines weren't happy campers over the last 13 games when Schobel racked up a pretty 36-14-13.5.
I started VDB in every league I owned him this week. I may well bench him this week (depending on my other matchups) against IND, where defensive ends rarely get sacks. Like Charles Grant did last week, however, VDB remains a decent play even against IND in a tackle heavy league.
If VDB struggles this week, it appears that there are going to be many happy sharks who snap him up off the waiver wire before Week 3.
In 2006, he had 54 tackles -- 5th among defensive linemen -- and had four games where he made only one tackle. Tony is correctly pointing out that the Titans faced a well below average number of offensive plays. To put it in perspective, the average number of offensive plays faced per game in 2006 per team was 62. The Titans faced 48. Should VDB have made a tackle or two? Maybe. Did he get dinged and we've yet to hear about it? Maybe.
But Vanden Bosch's history -- including two games against Garrard last season where he finished 5-0-0 and 4-1-1.5 -- strongly suggests that this is a fluke. Reacting to a stat line like this is asking for trouble. Everyone who dumped Aaron Schobel early last season without considering the reasons for his uncharacteristic stat lines weren't happy campers over the last 13 games when Schobel racked up a pretty 36-14-13.5.
I started VDB in every league I owned him this week. I may well bench him this week (depending on my other matchups) against IND, where defensive ends rarely get sacks. Like Charles Grant did last week, however, VDB remains a decent play even against IND in a tackle heavy league.
If VDB struggles this week, it appears that there are going to be many happy sharks who snap him up off the waiver wire before Week 3.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
.......I mean GREAT post, especially the reference to Schobel last year.IAMCANADIAN
Footballguy
I think the thing that should worry some managers (as it did myself), is that VDB is now playing that new position. Playing the RDE very well may help him produce better #s in the long term, but getting used to playing against higher caliber LTs, may take a little time to adjust to. I'm going start him against IND anyways, since they've got Ugoh starting.
Also, since he has an early bye (week 4), he's got till then to prove himself to me.
Also, since he has an early bye (week 4), he's got till then to prove himself to me.
I Am Rick James
Footballguy
I am still gonna sit VDB because of Peyton. Logic tells me to start a Bronco DL vs. Da Raiders, any idea which one, if any? It worked for the Det. DL's. Keep in mind, we only start one DL, so the waiver wire is loaded. Patterson(PHI) vs. Was. has potential
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
This has to be explained?
IDP is all about (if you start 7-11 players) getting the best players you can and having them produce for the year. Not one game.Sure you still use match ups and try and play hot players, but the greater majority sees players work themselves out appropriatley.But they are certainly high-low producers on a weekly basis for many of them. Especially at DL/OLB.
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Keith Lewis
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I just traded Geathers for him straight up. Good, Bad, Indifferent? 
I wish I had more than 4 bench spots because I have to reserve those for the o-fense. Someone dropped VDB but I'd have to drop Wimbley or Lenon which I'm not quite yet ready to do. I am going to replace Crowder with Tuck though who has a great chance at sacking Favre this week.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Favre is not the easiest QB to sack. I don't think Tuck is a great play this week.
Well, I saw that Favre got sacked 4 times last week and considering how ineffective the running game appears to be I see them going to the air a lot again. I did see that Favre escaped some sacks and easily could have been grounded more like 8 times. I'm in a league that gives 5 pts a sack so I'm obviously looking for the big play. However, it makes me sick that I might not put in a claim for either Vandenbosch or Burgess tomorrow.
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Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have then dropped Tuck for Osi?? Hopefully that move will pay off...
eom
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dude, how is a def end going to look good in a tackle heavy league?can you put up a screen shot of who's on your wire?
