http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_f...UP.354f5bf.htmlYou Patriots haters can put this in your pipe and smoke it for a while.
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ESPN, NFLNETWORK FALSE REPORTS about the Pats cheating (1 Viewer)
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NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
I'd really rather they be innocent than go through this. I mean, I dont' hate the Pats personally, and while Belichick may be an SOB, it does no one good to go through this.
However, there is an awful lot of smoke for there to be no fire, but let the process play out. If anything, Godell already established a track record of law and order with fairness, so if he exonerates them, thats good enough for me. :whoosh:
However, there is an awful lot of smoke for there to be no fire, but let the process play out. If anything, Godell already established a track record of law and order with fairness, so if he exonerates them, thats good enough for me. :whoosh:
trader jake
Footballguy
:whoosh: Technicality.
"Has not found them guilty" and "there's no decision" doesn't exactly equal "The Pats didn't cheat"...it just means the NFL hasn't announced it yet.
"Has not found them guilty" and "there's no decision" doesn't exactly equal "The Pats didn't cheat"...it just means the NFL hasn't announced it yet.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Still doesn't look good for the Pats.
SSOG
Moderator
Regardless of what people might think about Chris Mortenson or John Clayton, Adam Schefter is an amazing reporter and a FotFBGs (Friend of the Footballguys). If he's reporting this story as if it were fact, I'm inclined to believe it's fact. There are lots of instances of reporters breaking a story while league officials are still saying that they have nothing to announce yet- I suspect this is just another such instance.
twitch
Footballguy
I think the title could easily have been, "Pipe Down ESPN or You'll Get Sued Out of your NFL Contract". Its this network that has been the driver of every single negative angle of every single story on every single subject EVERY SINGLE DAY. They do it over, and over, and over and over again. Its been old now for about 10 years. And you learn to tolerate it because you love sports so much, or football in this case, and you cant get enough information. But in this case, the only only appropriate story to report currently is that the NFL has a camera. THEY HAVE A CAMERA. How on earth is ESPN or anyone else reporting what was on that tape until something official came out from the league? New England right now is guilty of having a camera on the sidelines. Now, if its announced by the NFL that there were indeed illegalities and the Patriots were filming coaching signals, then slam them. My point is ALLOW THE STORY TO UNFOLD. DO NOT MAKE THE STORY by speculating on the unknown. Or if ESPN IS GATHERING INFORMATION ILLEGALLY, then THEY should come clean with their sources. Honestly, how are they getting this info? The league has not even released anything. This is what happens with ESPN far too often. The relentless negative spin in their reporting is mind numbing. And frankly, Im completely over it.
sadly, if New England is exonerrated of this and it turns out to be smoke and no fire, we'll never hear of it again. ESPN will drop it like a bad habit, and never come back to it. But I find it hard to believe that the Patriots, one of the more intelligent franchises in all of sports, would do something as IDIOTIC and SIMPLISTIC as have a guy stand right there on the sidelines and relay hand signals of a team's defensive calls to its coaching staff. Im sorry, but that garbage just wreaks of idiocy.
sadly, if New England is exonerrated of this and it turns out to be smoke and no fire, we'll never hear of it again. ESPN will drop it like a bad habit, and never come back to it. But I find it hard to believe that the Patriots, one of the more intelligent franchises in all of sports, would do something as IDIOTIC and SIMPLISTIC as have a guy stand right there on the sidelines and relay hand signals of a team's defensive calls to its coaching staff. Im sorry, but that garbage just wreaks of idiocy.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
A bit of an exaggeration?!?
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
change your thread title, there is nothing in this story that says Pats didn't cheat....the story is "NFL has not officially come to a determination whether the Patriots cheat"
It's not too hard to look at a tape and see hand signals. Pats will not be cleared. Sorry
It's not too hard to look at a tape and see hand signals. Pats will not be cleared. Sorry
radiohead417
Footballguy
Yea, ESPN is soooo anti-patriots EYEROLL
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Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Just a matter of formalities,
. Like Coach Tomlin said, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I'm not sure if you understand how news is gathered. Waiting for an official announcement from the league, which has a vested interest in controlling all news about its activities, is not the best avenue for getting at the truth of the matter.
djcolts
Footballguy
Yea, ESPN is soooo anti-patriots EYEROLL
ESPN can be legitimately be accused of a lot of things - Anti-Patriots is definitely not one of them. If they were, would Bill Simmons be employed by them?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
wow talk about over tagging a article. You work for fox news?Go back to southy. Maybe there you can find some drunk southies who will believe your tripe. You are just mad because it tarnishes the pats superbowls. Honestly, if they have been cheating this whole time Bullychickmight not be the mad genius he claims to be, it's like playing madden vs someone and looking to see what plays they call. It's easy to beat em then. well a HELLUVA lot easier.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
It's called journalism. You don't actually want journalists to sit and wait at their desks until someone calls and says, "Hey, we screwed up, come do a story now!" do you?If you do, I weep for you.
twitch
Footballguy
No, I understand. Like I said, Id just like everyone to know who the SOURCES are these guys are using . Im aware of how news is gathered. Im just pointing how unethical it is to do it until its actually NEWS. Like I said, REPORT news. Dont CREATE it. Its absolute speculation at this point, and basically alot of piling on. Why does waiting have to be so hard? The NFL is the OFFICIAL source. And really the only source that should apply. This is a ratings driven world we live in. Im not being naiive about it. Stories sell ratings. Even before theyre stories. No, ESPECIALLY before theyre actual stories. Creating drama and hype and speculation is what we've been stuffed with and Im personally a little full.f
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
No, you really don't understand a damn thing about journalism. Really. I promise.
twitch
Footballguy
2 points. -Who in their right mind would disagree with that? -Who in their rignt mind said anything about ESPN hating the Patriots??? Where did I say ESPN hates the Pats? They dont pick and choose who they hammer, but they typically PREFER to hammer teams or people that will help maximize their bottom line.Yea, ESPN is soooo anti-patriots EYEROLL
ESPN can be legitimately be accused of a lot of things - Anti-Patriots is definitely not one of them. If they were, would Bill Simmons be employed by them?
twitch
Footballguy
as long as you promise. who am I to argue with an all knower? Please, allow me to catch up to my herd.
greenline
Footballguy
Seriously. I think i should use the black dot here but I don't even know what that means.A bit of an exaggeration?!?
roadkill1292
Footballguy
He may not have been very nice in the way he said it but, if you don't understand the role of confidential sources in news gathering, then Keys is right.
I hear ya KeysI do not recall each article or report in their entirety and with the radio talk, other newspapers running with that story, and maybe even some board talk.....it's a little hazy for me- What was presented as fact? Stating the two firsts as the penalty and some other facts should deserve some "heat" from readers IF it was presented as such. I think we need to revisit the original articles/reports to evaluate them not all this jabber afterwards.Further, I don't expect a reporter to be an idiot either. (Go off topic for a "perfect" example)If a reporter saw Haynesworth stomp on Gurode and said the NFL would suspend/fine him; well yeah they would, we all knew that. I wouldn't want him to wait to hear the NFL say "we'll suspend and fine him" just for the sake of saying it. There's a grey line there too.
BeachBums
Footballguy
Keys is anaths. The need to use confidential sources to 'create' news is about competitive advantage and making $$. It's always preferable to name the source, but if you can't get them to go on the record and the story is important then it's a judgment call of the importance of the story and the likelihood of scooping the competition, making that news organization the 'source' for the latest as long as the story is hot. The decision to run a story or not is based on the editors' or producers' take on the accuracy of the information and credibility of the source and/or the reporter. The credibility of the news organization and the reporter essentially stands in for the credibility of a named source.ESPN is an aggressive news organization in a competitive business and a few ESPN reporters like Mortenson and Clayton seem to be really dialed in to the teams and league. If they break a story, someone posts a link here and elsewhere and they get 10000 hits on their site because of it, they make money.roadkill1292 said:
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
I stopped trying to be nice about a year ago. If people's feelings are hurt, tough...but at least I'm making a point.roadkill1292 said:
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
This is not true. Journalists, when using confidential sources, will give them credibility through a vague title (senior administration, etc.) to lend credibility to the source. The source is NOT the actual news network.And yes, I am an ###. Deal with it. I'm actually a very nice guy once you get to know me, but clearly, that's not going to happen.
twitch
Footballguy
thanks, rk. Im with you. I understand what his point was despite the tone. But for those of us with degrees NOT in journalism nor working in the field professionally, 'understanding' the methods need not always apply. On some level, its the equivalent of saying because Im not a politician, I dont understand the issues, and shouldnt be allowed to vote.roadkill1292 said:
BeachBums
Footballguy
You misread what I wrote. Read the whole sentence. "...making that news organization the 'source' for the latest as long as the story is hot" as in the source of information for readers/viewers/listeners.It's people like you that make reading and participating in forums like this unpleasant. "I'm actually a very nice guy" yet you lose all sense of decorum when you enter an anonymous setting and make a complete aths of yourself.
twitch
Footballguy
KM, for what its worth, nooone's feelings were hurt, and you go on delivering your message however you feel fit.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Yes, I did misread. I apologize.And no, the second part isn't true if you actually look at my posts. I'm an ### in here, because I'm just trying to get information across. Any other forum in here, or when I'm just screwing around, I might be one of the most pleasant people on here.
In here, I don't see the need to be nice. If people's feelings really get hurt when people disagree with them, that's their own problem. I'm not calling anyone names. I'm not personal with my "attacks". I'm just disagreeing with you, but I don't feel the need to sugar-coat it.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Thank you.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Yeah, I miss that league, too.I sure left that new owner a trainwreck of a team to deal with, didn't I? Heh.
BeachBums
Footballguy
I'm probably tilting at windmills. You say you were making a point with
but I can't really see any point to saying what you said except to shut the guy up or blow your own horn about how brilliant you are. If you know so much about journalism, why not enlighten him? He made a legitimate argument, which I agree with, but the realities of the news biz, as with everything else in the world, is that it's all about $$. 'Nuf said, enjoy your day.
twitch
Footballguy
listening to the Cowherd show on ESPN radio. So, naturally he's beginning the full-blown bashfest. Hammering Belichick. Head coach, understandable. But then, "Brady knew about this. Brady knew about this". Huh? So, Brady is on the great conspiracy? Do we have film of Brady studying opponents hand signals, too. This is just the type of typical garbage I was getting at. Again, if the Pats get hammered by the NFL for cheating, and theyre made to forfeit a game, or several for that matter, or they lose picks, or get fined or all of the above, so be it. But listening to radio idiots call Tom Brady a cheat is wreckless, without merit, and completely intolerable.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
You had made the statement that you understood. You clearly didn't, and I didn't want people to become confused and think you actually did--mistakenly taking your statements as truth. They weren't.In management, the news business is all about the money. For individual reporters/etc., it's anything but. I'm not saying that their intentions are always pure, because they're not. But, if you knew what reporters/analysts/etc. got paid, except the upper echelon, you'd agree.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Cowherd is a moron. He shows it every time he opens his mouth about baseball.Well, maybe he's not a moron, and he thinks people will respect him more or listen to him more if he makes inane statements. Either way, his show sucks.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
Um, sorry. There is a big difference between them saying "no decision has been made" and proclaiming that the Pats are innocent.I don't think the NFL would allow Adam Schefter's article to be posted on the front page of NFL.com if it weren't true.Mr.Happy said:
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aardball44
Footballguy
twitch
Footballguy
thanks. positively brilliant addition.
You don't have to be nice. But don't be an ### here. TIA.J
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
But if this is true, we have to ask the question of who implented the information stolen, how the information was implented, and the execution of the information. It would seem most logical and most contained if it were Brady. Again, if this is true, Brady almost has to be guilty.
apalmer
Footballguy
You don't think that the message on Brady's headphone might be: "Their weakside linebacker and safety are going to blitz, so ...."? Wouldn't that tell him that they're cheating? And, if (and yes it's a big IF) there is evidence of that, why is the comment wrong? You are attacking Cowherd without any evidence at all that he's wrong. Isn't that "wreckless, without merit and completely intolerable"?
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BusterTBronco
Footballguy
Whaddsa matta, Pats fan? You don't like other people pointing out the fact that your team is a bunch of CHEATERS?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
If at some point I'm over the top, I have no problem apologizing for it.I don't think I am.
If at any point I wasn't welcome here, I'd gladly leave, JB.
Yes. IF IF IF this is true that the Pats were using stolen signals to alert their guys to blitzes and coverages, Belichick likely isn't the only one culpable here.But right now, it's IF IF IF.
J
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