The Great Snook
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Since you can't have the Pats at 32, you should wrap it around and give #1 #32
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Obviously you HAVE TO look at roster composition when drafting. I think most teams draft for need at positions, but the need may be 2 or 3 years down the line (a la the Eagles taking Brown and Sheppard in 2002). Could you imagine if MIN has the #3 pick next year and Woodson/Brohm are gone. Does anyone in their right mind think they take McFadden, assuming that MIN thinks McFadden is the BPA?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
2.01 - KC - Mike McGlynn, OL - PittSince you can't have the Pats at 32, you should wrap it around and give #1 #32
H.K.
Footballguy
Nine ACC guys going in the first round. Interesting.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I'm starting to get a feel for what kind of team Petrino wants. I think he sees Norwood as a change of pace, role player type RB. I've been surprised by how little consideration Petrino gave to starting Norwood. Part of it comes down to pass protection - Dunn is simply a headier player in this aspect of the game and it's an aspect in which the Falcons struggle to begin with. That said, I think he likes what Norwood can do and bring to the table in certain situations, but he doesn't want to base his running game off him.This is not to say that they would pick McFadden, personally I'd rather them secure Jake Long. But they do need to find a workhorse and a versatile one at that. McFadden is a possibility.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
But drafting BPA doesn't necessarily help some teams either...Lions
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
I think Jonathan Stewart definitely goes before Choice, and possibly Mike Hart and James Davis also, assuming Stewart and Davis come out. Stewart possibly goes before Slaton imo.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I am hearing more and more good things about Stewart.
Atlanta better take Brohm if he is there because the current castoff QB's suck.
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
He's an incredible talent. If he stays healthy, his combination of speed/size should blow everyone away at the combine or his pro day. He was close to the consensus #1 runner his year coming out of high school, playing at Oregon he doesn't get near the exposure McFadden and Slaton do (plus his numbers, though impressive, don't hold up to theirs).
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
More athletic, and faster than those guys...
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
a little- maybe lewis before the leg injuries. Stewart reportedly was a 4.35 guy after his freshman year, so he's got better straight line speed than bettis. Also led the nation in kickoff return average his freshman year at 33.0 yards/return, something I'm not sure bettis or lewis would have done.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Oh my.
Going to have to keep an eye on this guy. He did all that at 230-lbs?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Healthy <> GoodWe still badly need another DT, so assuming we're unable to trade down I would be very happy with Dorsey.FWIW, I would rank WR as a bigger need than LB.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Mike Hart is not first round material.
i'm in the camp that McFadden is an elite talent.
I have not been this excited about a RB coming out of college since LT, and I loved Bush and Peterson but I just think McFadden is gonna be a complete MONSTER. Maybe I'm wrong name dropping him with those guys, but I guess we'll see.
I have not been this excited about a RB coming out of college since LT, and I loved Bush and Peterson but I just think McFadden is gonna be a complete MONSTER. Maybe I'm wrong name dropping him with those guys, but I guess we'll see.
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
yeah, he had limited touches but they used as a goalline guy (6 TDs and only 188 rush yards) and kick returner (2 TDs along with the impressive yardage average). That's a pretty rare combination.Oh my.Going to have to keep an eye on this guy. He did all that at 230-lbs?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Yup...Guy is a stud when healthy, but he has been injured all through college...Oh my.
Some
numbers for you:*Holds the school record for RB power clean at 385, bettered only by two DLs who went on to play in the NFL (Ngata and Olshansky)
*410 lb bench is also an Oregon RB record
*38.5 vertical, second all time amongst Oregon RBs
*4.34 40 is the school's 4th fastest time for a RB
If he stays healthy he could cause jaws to drop at the combine and fly up draft boards...
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
Does it say anywhere that I think he is? I don't think more than three RBs will go first round, I simply said I could see Stewart and possibly Hart and Davis all going before Choice.
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
Barry Richardson is another guy I could definitely see going in the first round, especially since a few teams (as usual) look like they'll be searching for left tackles.
Fiddles
Footballguy
with all of the sacks that harrington is taking and the awful run game all signs point to the oline
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I did consider Jake Long.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He's been down there a while. Lowering the boom, I assume!
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'm going to have to go in the witness protection program.He's been down there a while. Lowering the boom, I assume!
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
In Colin's mock I offerred my opinion on a top 30 draft eligible players. It's already changed quite a bit, so here, since we're talking first round, I offer a top five at each position.
QB
1. Andre Woodson
2. Dennis Dixon
3. Matt Ryan
4. Brian Brohm
5. Colt Brennan
I am in love with Ryan and Dixon. They are playing better than any QBs in the country.
RB
1. Darren McFadden
2. Steve Slaton
3. Felix Jones
4. Ray Rice
5. Jon Stewart
I am very close to making the two Arkansas RBs 1 and 1a just like they play. Felix is so underrated.
WR
1. Mario Manningham
2. Limas Sweed
3. Darius Reynaud
4. DeSean Jackson
5. Earl Bennett
I wouldn't put up much of an argument if someone listed five completely different names. Reynaud deserves his props though. The guy is a serious playmaker with big time speed, cuts, hands, and expecially strength, power and balance. He reminds me more of Steve Smith than any WR anywhere.
TEs
1. Fred Davis
2. Jacob Tamme
3. Martellus Bennett
4. Dustin Keller
5. Craig Stevens
Kory Sperry was on his way to the top of this list before blowing out his knee and redshirting. I haven't seen Missouri play this year, but I liked Coffman better than Rucker last year. I'm not impressed with Carlson. This list is very inantile.
OL
1. Jake Long
2. Barry Richardson
3. King Dunlap
4. Gosder Cherilus
5. Michael Oher
Dunlap should be downgraded. He's been in the doghouse, but I'm being stubborn and anticipating a return to franchise LT form. Clady and Baker are solid candidates for any list. There's another half dozen. Very solid deep class coming out.
DT
1. Glenn Dorsey
2. Sedric Ellis
3. Andre Fluellen
4. Frank Okam
5. BJ Raji
Dorsey may be the best player in the country. 2 and 3 are very explosive undertackle prospects. 4 and 5 are beefy interior dominators. Fluellen might should be lowered, but when he makes big plays, he's pretty amazing. He does vanish too much. I'm looking at upside here I guess.
DE
1. Quention Groves
2. Calais Campbell
3. Chris Long
4. Derrick Harvey
5. Tyson Jackson
Wow. We have some nice DEs this year. Groves projects to 3-4 OLB, but he's playing so well, I have to give him his due here. Long did the right thing staying in school. What a beast. Blake and Gholston are very much in the top tier with these guys, imo.
LBs
1. James Laurinaitis
2. Dan Connor
3. Keith Rivers
4. Danny Lansanah
5. Rey Muauluga
Brinkley really disappointed me last weekend. Lansanah is a bit of an unknown, Like Moffet at USF, but he's looking like Brinkley should have... big athletic stud.
Safeties
1. Kenny Phillips
2. Darien Williams
3. Tom Zbikowski
4. Tom Horton
5. Corey Lynch
Hopefully there's some talent out there I know nothing about, because after Phillips I'm not real impressed with anyone.
CBs
1. Antoine Cason
2. Chevis Jackson
3. Malcolm Jenkins
4. Michael Jenkins
5. Terrell Thomas
Lots of change from my comments in Colin's mock. That the way it goes every season. Cason just made DeSean Jackson look like a little kid and there's a reason no one throws at Chevis... he catches the ball. Love all these guys and the depth is terrific, but I can't decide if it's a really good class or just a good class. No doubt it is a nice and deep class.
Comments from college junkies very appreciated. The season is young so much is yet to be seen, but things are starting to clear up in some areas. Bloom, certainly some of these rankings differ from your ongoing opinions? Dennis Dixon deserves his own thread, I think.
QB
1. Andre Woodson
2. Dennis Dixon
3. Matt Ryan
4. Brian Brohm
5. Colt Brennan
I am in love with Ryan and Dixon. They are playing better than any QBs in the country.
RB
1. Darren McFadden
2. Steve Slaton
3. Felix Jones
4. Ray Rice
5. Jon Stewart
I am very close to making the two Arkansas RBs 1 and 1a just like they play. Felix is so underrated.
WR
1. Mario Manningham
2. Limas Sweed
3. Darius Reynaud
4. DeSean Jackson
5. Earl Bennett
I wouldn't put up much of an argument if someone listed five completely different names. Reynaud deserves his props though. The guy is a serious playmaker with big time speed, cuts, hands, and expecially strength, power and balance. He reminds me more of Steve Smith than any WR anywhere.
TEs
1. Fred Davis
2. Jacob Tamme
3. Martellus Bennett
4. Dustin Keller
5. Craig Stevens
Kory Sperry was on his way to the top of this list before blowing out his knee and redshirting. I haven't seen Missouri play this year, but I liked Coffman better than Rucker last year. I'm not impressed with Carlson. This list is very inantile.
OL
1. Jake Long
2. Barry Richardson
3. King Dunlap
4. Gosder Cherilus
5. Michael Oher
Dunlap should be downgraded. He's been in the doghouse, but I'm being stubborn and anticipating a return to franchise LT form. Clady and Baker are solid candidates for any list. There's another half dozen. Very solid deep class coming out.
DT
1. Glenn Dorsey
2. Sedric Ellis
3. Andre Fluellen
4. Frank Okam
5. BJ Raji
Dorsey may be the best player in the country. 2 and 3 are very explosive undertackle prospects. 4 and 5 are beefy interior dominators. Fluellen might should be lowered, but when he makes big plays, he's pretty amazing. He does vanish too much. I'm looking at upside here I guess.
DE
1. Quention Groves
2. Calais Campbell
3. Chris Long
4. Derrick Harvey
5. Tyson Jackson
Wow. We have some nice DEs this year. Groves projects to 3-4 OLB, but he's playing so well, I have to give him his due here. Long did the right thing staying in school. What a beast. Blake and Gholston are very much in the top tier with these guys, imo.
LBs
1. James Laurinaitis
2. Dan Connor
3. Keith Rivers
4. Danny Lansanah
5. Rey Muauluga
Brinkley really disappointed me last weekend. Lansanah is a bit of an unknown, Like Moffet at USF, but he's looking like Brinkley should have... big athletic stud.
Safeties
1. Kenny Phillips
2. Darien Williams
3. Tom Zbikowski
4. Tom Horton
5. Corey Lynch
Hopefully there's some talent out there I know nothing about, because after Phillips I'm not real impressed with anyone.
CBs
1. Antoine Cason
2. Chevis Jackson
3. Malcolm Jenkins
4. Michael Jenkins
5. Terrell Thomas
Lots of change from my comments in Colin's mock. That the way it goes every season. Cason just made DeSean Jackson look like a little kid and there's a reason no one throws at Chevis... he catches the ball. Love all these guys and the depth is terrific, but I can't decide if it's a really good class or just a good class. No doubt it is a nice and deep class.
Comments from college junkies very appreciated. The season is young so much is yet to be seen, but things are starting to clear up in some areas. Bloom, certainly some of these rankings differ from your ongoing opinions? Dennis Dixon deserves his own thread, I think.
Capella
Footballguy
The Bucs have a gazilion more needs than linebacker. Assuming that June stays with the team next year (I believe he can opt out), he and Ruud will be fine there, along with Brooks' final season or Quincy Black.
They need an under-tackle in the very worst way. I'll be stunned if they don't go that direction in the first two picks.
They need an under-tackle in the very worst way. I'll be stunned if they don't go that direction in the first two picks.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm going to have to go in the witness protection program.He's been down there a while. Lowering the boom, I assume!
I'm like Bob Magaw sometimes. I start replying and go to lunch... then come back and do something else.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It's not so bad if you set things up reasonably at the start. WITSEC people are pretty understanding after a few years.I'm going to have to go in the witness protection program.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I just try to make myself feel better whenever I disagree with you on a player. Slaton will be a fun debate all year. I agree with you on Jones and Rice. I also agree with most folks about Mike Hart not translating to the NFL as well, but it's damn hard to root against him. What a player.It's not so bad if you set things up reasonably at the start. WITSEC people are pretty understanding after a few years.I'm going to have to go in the witness protection program.
Jackie Treehorn
Footballguy
If Dennis Franchione weren't an idiot I think Martellus Bennett would be hands down the #1 TE in the class. I still think he is and will likely be a 15-20 pick.
LawFitz
Footballguy
1.1 LT 2.10 Wayne
1.2 Addai 2.9 Edge
1.3 ADP 2.8 Ocho Cinco
1.4 Willie P 2.7 TO
1.5 Henry 2.6 Palmer
1.6 Gore 2.5 Smiff
1.7 Westbrook 2.4 Moss
1.8 Alexander 2.3 Barber III
1.9 Rudi 2.2 P Man
1.10 LJ 2.1 CP
Barber could move into the top 5 if he establishes himself as the feature back by year end.
1.2 Addai 2.9 Edge
1.3 ADP 2.8 Ocho Cinco
1.4 Willie P 2.7 TO
1.5 Henry 2.6 Palmer
1.6 Gore 2.5 Smiff
1.7 Westbrook 2.4 Moss
1.8 Alexander 2.3 Barber III
1.9 Rudi 2.2 P Man
1.10 LJ 2.1 CP
Barber could move into the top 5 if he establishes himself as the feature back by year end.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I am a long way from being to sort out the order of players, but a Texans fan I like idea of attempting to get a CB opposite Dunta Robinson. Safety is the least talented position on the team, but there are usually not a ton of first round guys at that position. RBs should be deep enough where they don't have to force a pick there early. Of course, there will be a call for an OT (Scott Wright anyone?), but that is really dependant on if and how well that Charles Spencer is able to return from injury.
plymkr
Footballguy
Corner 2 seems the largest hole on the team right now, but I think you could make an argument for a player on o'line safety, wide receiver, running back if you wanted. Most fans seem to be crucifying Demarcus Faggins forgeting that the kid has had to play matched up against Marvin Harrison and Steve Smith the last 2 games. The fans also have a short memory in that Faggins is only our corner out of last resort due to the Phillip Buchanon debacle. Drafting a corner would be a great pick as not only do we hopefully get a legit #2, but it would also allow the Texans to move Faggins back to nickel and dime packages where he excelled. There seems to be some good depth at corner in the draft this year so the pool matches up well with our need.A safety would be nice, but the 2008 draft looks very weak there. I think you've pretty much got Kenny Phillips and not much else at all that would even justify a 1st round pick. If the JR's come out, the OT out there could be very tempting, but as u said, I guess that depends on what Kube's and his staff think of Spencer's chances to come back.I know a lot of fans dream scenario's would be to sign a FA like Asante Samuel (assuming the Pats let him go) but he's not going to come cheap and the Texans are going to have to sign Dunta Robinson to an extension sometime in the next 2 years. A high priced FA might really up the $ amt Robinson would demand. It seems we'd be more likely to draft a corner than bring in a FA, but you never know. Lots of dead money comes off the books next year for the Texans (over $30M!), but I'm sure Samuel's services will be in high demand.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
The smartest thing the Cowboys could do is go safety there.
DWidmar
Footballguy
I guess he is saying that MB III takes over the feature back thus negating the need for McFadden?
while I like MBIII alot, he is no McFadden.
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madviking10
Footballguy
You suck !
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
:sigh: This certainly is justified. It's just painful to think how bad the Jags first round picks have been under current management. I'm hoping the new GM can do better.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That would certainly be a good alternative slogan.madviking10 said:You suck !
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Works for me.That would certainly be a good alternative slogan.madviking10 said:You suck !
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Jasper Brinkley out for the year. Knee injury. :(
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Here and in Colin's mock I was very critical of his play last weekend. Dude was out there on a torn up knee. Wow, what a shame. Why in the world did he stay in that game? Oh well, he's getting the medical redshirt so I hope he rehabs well and comes back strong.Jasper Brinkley out for the year. Knee injury.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Draft order is loosely based on "if the season ended today" from NFL.Com...
1. St. Louis Rams - Jake Long, OT - Michigan
2. Miami Dolphins - Glenn Dorsey, DT - LSU
3. New York Jets - Chris Long, DE - Virginia
4. Atlanta Falcons - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky
5. New England Patriots (f/SF) - James Laurinitis, LB - Ohio State
6. Philadelphia Eagles - Kenny Phillips, S - U of Miami
7. Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, RB - Arkansas
8. New Orleans Saints - Dan Connor, LB - Penn State
9. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Ryan, QB - Boston College
10. Cincinnati Bengals - Keith Rivers, OLB - USC
11. Buffalo Bills - Sedrick Ellis, DT - USC
12. Houston Texans - Malcolm Jenkins, CB - Ohio State
13. Chicago Bears - Brian Brohm, QB - Louisiana
14. Arizona Cardinals - Reggie Smith, CB/S - Oklahoma
15. San Diego Chargers - Calais Campbell, DE - U of Miami
16. Denver Broncos - Philip Wheeler, ILB - Georgia Tech
17. Dallas Cowboys (f/Cle) - DeJuan Tribble, CB - Boston College
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Frank Okam, DT - Texas
19. Seattle Seahawks - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Oregon St.
20. Kansas City Chiefs - Sam Baker, OT - USC
21. Baltimore Ravens - Quentin Groves, DE/OLB - Auburn
22. Washington Redskins - DeSean Jackson, WR - California
23. Tennessee Titans - Early Doucet, WR - LSU
24. Pittsburgh Steelers - Gosder Cherilus, OT - Boston College
25. Detroit Lions - Mike Jenkins, CB - South Florida
26. Carolina Panthers - Ali Highsmith, LB - LSU
27. New York Giants - Xavier Adibi, OLB - Virginia Tech
28. Jacksonville Jaguars - Lawrence Jackson, DE - USC
29. Green Bay Packers - Aqib Talib, CB - Kansas
30. Dallas Cowboys - Malcolm Kelly, WR - Oklahoma
31. San Francisco 49ers (f/Ind) - Adarius Bowman, WR - Oklahoma St.
1. St. Louis Rams - Antoine Cason, DB - Arizona
2. Miami Dolphins - Terrell Thomas, CB - USC
3. New York Jets - Eric Young, OG/OT - Tennessee
4. Atlanta Falcons - Tony Hills, OT - Texas
5. San Francisco - D.J. Hall, WR - Alabama
6. Philadelphia Eagles - Shawn Crable, LB - Michigan
7. Oakland Raiders - Kentwan Balmer, DT - North Carolina
8. New Orleans Saints - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB - Tennessee State
9. Minnesota Vikings - Harry Douglas, WR - Louisville
10. Cincinnati Bengals - Red Bryant, DT - Texas A&M
1. St. Louis Rams - Jake Long, OT - Michigan
2. Miami Dolphins - Glenn Dorsey, DT - LSU
3. New York Jets - Chris Long, DE - Virginia
4. Atlanta Falcons - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky
5. New England Patriots (f/SF) - James Laurinitis, LB - Ohio State
6. Philadelphia Eagles - Kenny Phillips, S - U of Miami
7. Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, RB - Arkansas
8. New Orleans Saints - Dan Connor, LB - Penn State
9. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Ryan, QB - Boston College
10. Cincinnati Bengals - Keith Rivers, OLB - USC
11. Buffalo Bills - Sedrick Ellis, DT - USC
12. Houston Texans - Malcolm Jenkins, CB - Ohio State
13. Chicago Bears - Brian Brohm, QB - Louisiana
14. Arizona Cardinals - Reggie Smith, CB/S - Oklahoma
15. San Diego Chargers - Calais Campbell, DE - U of Miami
16. Denver Broncos - Philip Wheeler, ILB - Georgia Tech
17. Dallas Cowboys (f/Cle) - DeJuan Tribble, CB - Boston College
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Frank Okam, DT - Texas
19. Seattle Seahawks - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Oregon St.
20. Kansas City Chiefs - Sam Baker, OT - USC
21. Baltimore Ravens - Quentin Groves, DE/OLB - Auburn
22. Washington Redskins - DeSean Jackson, WR - California
23. Tennessee Titans - Early Doucet, WR - LSU
24. Pittsburgh Steelers - Gosder Cherilus, OT - Boston College
25. Detroit Lions - Mike Jenkins, CB - South Florida
26. Carolina Panthers - Ali Highsmith, LB - LSU
27. New York Giants - Xavier Adibi, OLB - Virginia Tech
28. Jacksonville Jaguars - Lawrence Jackson, DE - USC
29. Green Bay Packers - Aqib Talib, CB - Kansas
30. Dallas Cowboys - Malcolm Kelly, WR - Oklahoma
31. San Francisco 49ers (f/Ind) - Adarius Bowman, WR - Oklahoma St.
1. St. Louis Rams - Antoine Cason, DB - Arizona
2. Miami Dolphins - Terrell Thomas, CB - USC
3. New York Jets - Eric Young, OG/OT - Tennessee
4. Atlanta Falcons - Tony Hills, OT - Texas
5. San Francisco - D.J. Hall, WR - Alabama
6. Philadelphia Eagles - Shawn Crable, LB - Michigan
7. Oakland Raiders - Kentwan Balmer, DT - North Carolina
8. New Orleans Saints - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB - Tennessee State
9. Minnesota Vikings - Harry Douglas, WR - Louisville
10. Cincinnati Bengals - Red Bryant, DT - Texas A&M
Foosball God
Foos
You really see Atlanta taking Woodson over Brohm?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yes. For the same reason they took Jamaal Anderson over Amobi Okoye - he's better.
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