Sabertooth
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Stallworth is on a one year deal as well, no?
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Randy Moss to become Unrestricted Free Agent at season's end (1 Viewer)
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Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Agreed. After his two years in Oakland, I dont see him bolting from the Patriots just to go to the highest bidder. Even Moss is probably smart enough (ok, maybe not, but I'd like to hope) to realize that teams one WR away from being a Super Bowl contender most likely aren't flush with cash to give him top dollar, and he'd just be better off taking a nice healthy less than top dollar contract to stay with a winner.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I could see him going to Dallas. Moss and TO would be unstoppable.
yes.the Moss/Stallworth signings were both low money, one year deals that also allowed NE to buy time to see what they really had in C Jackson, K Washington, and J Gaffney... that trio of young WRs that may be better than what they were working with last year.Adam Schefter was on sports radio this morning suggesting that all his sources feel NE and Moss will reach a long term deal once they are able to discuss it.
Sweeper
Footballguy
You have started some pretty impressive thead topics. The list of threads you started does wonders for your credibility. IMO, it resembles the type of bashing that a high school kid does after he was dumped (or just ignored) by some girl that gave him the time of day.
I don't know you from a whole in the wall so I am not judging ... I'm just sayin'.
I really hope that this thread as well as your 300 * posts you've made lately is just an internet persona or schtick because I feel bad for you if you are like this in person.
I think the issue of the Pats resigning Moss is actually a good topic of discussion but this is just trolling.
I'm really not sure what to think of Moss coming back to New England next year. I feel that they will make him a decent offer, but I do not think it will be the highest offer in the open market. I think the best thing they can do is try to extend him during the season. I could really see Moss going either way on this after how terrible the experience in Oakland was and he really does seem to enjoy playing in New England and not being the star that every game relies on. In New England Brady is still the bigger star and takes the pressure off of Moss. However, if he goes out takes the largest contract you can't blame him and I couldnt' have been happier with his time on the Pats.
I think the issue of the Pats resigning Moss is actually a good topic of discussion but this is just trolling.
I'm really not sure what to think of Moss coming back to New England next year. I feel that they will make him a decent offer, but I do not think it will be the highest offer in the open market. I think the best thing they can do is try to extend him during the season. I could really see Moss going either way on this after how terrible the experience in Oakland was and he really does seem to enjoy playing in New England and not being the star that every game relies on. In New England Brady is still the bigger star and takes the pressure off of Moss. However, if he goes out takes the largest contract you can't blame him and I couldnt' have been happier with his time on the Pats.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Dman30
Footballguy
greenline
Footballguy
I think Moss will return at a below market deal. Welker is locked up. Gaffney I think is in his last year of his deal but I can't imagine him going anywhere. As of right now I could project Stallworth to get paid and head out of town.
Who knows though? His role is somewhat limited through 9 weeks but they might have a few last season plans for him that they are just waiting in the weeds with.
Who knows though? His role is somewhat limited through 9 weeks but they might have a few last season plans for him that they are just waiting in the weeds with.
twitch
Footballguy
I think Moss' visibility in NE, his perfromance, and his improved personna/attitude will set him up for some significant off season endorsements to supplement whatever it is New England ends up paying him. I can see he and Brady doing a couple of spots together for Gatorade or Nike or Visa or whoever it is wants to pay the 2 of those guys a small fortune. We've never seen Brady in very many commercials. He may actually have some fun doing some stuff with Moss.
Dman30
Footballguy
Seriously?, making VISA commercials with Brady is not what will keep Moss around, haha, this will $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
That IS reportable. You keep going Dman30! These toxic waste perpetuators will not stop, and they will not be stopped. The only thing you can do is acknowledge them on their toxic waste. Boston fans are the worst.
Sweeper
Footballguy
That was intentional. I didn't want to give the impression that I was calling him an a**hole.
I am not a Pats fan, although having Brady as my FF QB the past few years (kept him), I watch a lot of games. The one thing that has struck me every time I watch the Patriots is that when they are on defense, Randy and Tom sit side by side all the time. I think they have a great relationship and I think Moss will stay with the Patriots. First of all, they, like the Redskins, always seem to have plenty of $$$ around when they need it and no doubt in my mind they will use it.Also, people seem to forget non-football salary money. If NE goes undefeated or win the Super Bowl, Mr. Moss and Mr. Brady will be earning Petyon-lite* type of advertising money. Do people forget when Michael Jordan got paid peanuts from the Bulls because his other revenue was so much more that it was better for him overall $$$wise to take nothing from the team so that they could sign decent role players and keep winning? Again, it is a big if, but if NE goes undefeated, they will be Madison Avenue's finest.* I don't think it is physically possible to be in as many commercials as Manning. I am pretty sure Archie had 2 more illegitimate kids or clones that show up in those shots. Look close and you will see the moles move a bit, alah Cindy Crawford.
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
me too
with or without Moss, NE will still be one of the best teams in the NFL.If you dislike NE that much, I'm not so sure why this makes you so happy.
twitch
Footballguy
From the Horse's Mouth
"I think over the course of my career, Ive made alot of money. I still have money in the bank. By me coming to an organization such as the New England Patriots, why would money be a factor?" -Randy Moss
"I think over the course of my career, Ive made alot of money. I still have money in the bank. By me coming to an organization such as the New England Patriots, why would money be a factor?" -Randy Moss
Go take a look at Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning and Tiger Woods. Compare their salaries to their endorsements deals and you might learn something. Do you think athletes do commercials for free? I know you started this to get a rise out of people, which is easy here, unfortunately, but please get educated before you make really silly statements.As I mentioned a post before, if NE goes undefeated, Moss and Brady as the two biggest names on the Pats, will be rolling in Madison Avenue green. That won't continue to happen if Moss leaves.Do you realize that Jordan continues to get advertising money, even though he hasn't played basketball in years? Do you realize that people still mention the 72 Dolphins every single football year even though must of us fans know Larry Csonka more from American Gladiators?If NE goes undefeated, Moss and Brady could continue to cleanup in ad $$$ for years after they retire. Two HOF players with Super Bowl Rings and an undefeated season? Dear lord, we wouldn't stop hearing about them for years and years.
The_Man
Footballguy
If only there were a team with limitless cash to spend and a propensity for chasing aging, huge name stars. Maybe a team with a solid running game, and an emerging young QB, a team that could convince itself that a star WR is the only thing keeping them from a Super Bowl run. And maybe this team would have a coach in the last year of his contract who might be willing to pull out all the stops in order to make one last run at glory before retirement.
My skin is turning red, because I'm embarrassed at my inability to think of a team that matches those qualifications.
My skin is turning red, because I'm embarrassed at my inability to think of a team that matches those qualifications.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Who whispers in his ear? Is it his agent, Belichick, Brady? If they win it all, as seems likely might he want to go Deion Sanders and show he is the difference maker by taking his wears to another team and pushing them over the top?
Difficult to say right now. He seems quite content for now. He would not, however, be the first player to grow restless after agents, through constant cojoling, convince them that they are not getting their share of credit and respect as reflected in their contract. Certainly he will get offers.
In the end I suspect that he is enjoying the relief from being a lightening rod. He seems content.
Difficult to say right now. He seems quite content for now. He would not, however, be the first player to grow restless after agents, through constant cojoling, convince them that they are not getting their share of credit and respect as reflected in their contract. Certainly he will get offers.
In the end I suspect that he is enjoying the relief from being a lightening rod. He seems content.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
I agree, Moss will not take "significantly less" cash to stay in NE versus any other NFL sqaud with a pulse(although he may take the status of being the second highest paid WR over the #1, but I doubt it). The union would be all over his ###, and well, Moss doesn't seem like that kind of cat. It is no surprise Moss is playing with a chip on his shoulder this season, there is a huge payday at the end of the tunnel.
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twitch
Footballguy
That couldnt be further from the truth. Are you honestly saying that if the Dolphins step up and offer the guy $10mi a year, that he's heading to South Beach? Because that's what it sounds like youre saying. Straighten me out here. Moss is above chasing the money at this point in his career. Im not saying he wouldnt go to another very strong contender such as Dallas or Pittsburgh or the Colts if they break the bank for him, which is still incredibly unlikely. But there is absolutely no chance he goes to the highest bidder. Absolutely NONE. The guy's been there, done that. I think he'd rather be 9-0 and making half as much.
Sweeper
Footballguy
twitch
Footballguy
This isnt pro baseball or basketball. Players earn their money in the NFL. If the union had the power to do something, do you think they would have just stood by and done nothing while Moss tore up the last 2 years of a deal that was about to pay him $20mil? He's making about 5 this year. And the union could care less because $5mil is still $5mil.
"making half as much" is a stretch twitch.Moss will want a competitive contract from NE. It won't necessarily have to be the highest dollar amount possible, but it will be a big number. And likely it will be structured in such a way that the Pats homers will be able to claim he took a discount and the Pats haters will claim he broke the bank... the misinformed will argue all day about whether or not Moss really is the highest paid WR.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I agree. The tone of this pretty much precludes any real discussion of the situation. And that's from a guy that's been pretty critical of the Pats. DMan pretty much sounds like nothing more than a tool, offering no backup for his theories other than he doesn't like the Pats. Dumb, de dumb dumb.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
You know that pretty much every athlete says "its not about the money" and then go off to sign with the highest bidder. While I think Moss will be in NE next year, I would take comments like that with a grain of salt. If money really wasn't a factor he would play for the vet minimum so his beloved Patriots could save cap space.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Yes he did say that on WEEI. The best snippet I took from that was Schefter saying that Moss will not get to the open market and that "the Patriots will sign him after they win the Super Bowl and before free agency begins."Crazy when national media and a well respected guy like Schefter mentions it that way so non chalantly.TD Ryan said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
twitch said:
C'mpn, the guy digs "deep" to play for s top organization and now he's "above" such simple things like chasing money? I'm not saying he'll latch onto a team simply for the biggest paycheck. But this is the same malcontent piece of trash poster boy for ####### athletes. And just because he's sucking it up to win a ring and break some records doesn't turn him into a principled man all of a sudden.I would say that if the Pats make a concerted effort to keep the offense together that he'd probably take less to stay where he is, but let's not whip out the revisionist history brush and start painting Moss as something he's not. It takes more than one season on an utterly dominant team to wipe out years of being one of the biggest pricks in the league.
twitch
Footballguy
I only said that because that's literally what he's done this year. He was scheduled to make about 10mil this year. He's making 5mil this year instead. And he's on a 9-0 team. Im not saying that will happen every year, but Im pretty sure they'll work out nice deal when the time comes.TD Ryan said:
twitch
Footballguy
You took about a simple 5 or 6 word statement and let it get to you here. The post I quoted said he'd chase the money from the highest bidder. So, Ill ask you the same basic question. Do you see him going to Miami if they offer him the most cash? seriously. If not, then youve wasted a load of perfectly good bashing in the wrong place.twitch said:
I would say that if the Pats make a concerted effort to keep the offense together that he'd probably take less to stay where he is, but let's not whip out the revisionist history brush and start painting Moss as something he's not. It takes more than one season on an utterly dominant team to wipe out years of being one of the biggest pricks in the league.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
And this is what it will likely come down to. Professional athletes all have HUGE egos and it means an awful lot to them to be the highest paid player at their position. If Randy leads the lead in receiving this season he's going to want to get paid for it, especially if he wins a ring.TD Ryan said:
twitch
Footballguy
I pretty much agree. But I also think that every once in a while, some guys actually mean it. Its a rare thing. But so is being undefeated after at week 10 and leading the league with nearly 1000yds and 12TDs. Rare, rare things. And sometimes, its actually worth more than just money.southeastjerome said:
yup and given the tone of this thread, I don't blame you for it.Really, Moss took even less as his base salary is 2.5 mil with a 500k roster bonus and another 1.5 mil in incentive/bonus money.What's most concerning to me for next year is that Brady's cap number goes from 7mil to 14mil... '08 and '09 are the steepest cap years in Brady's contract.I'm no capologist, but it's clear they've got their work cut out. Will this be the last year for Bruschi (2.5 cap hit), Seau (1mil cap hit), and K Faulk (3.2mil cap hit)... all may be ready to retire. will they be able to sign Asante? I know if I had to choose between Asante and Moss, I'll take Moss.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
First of all, thanks for agreeing with my bashing being perfectly good. Moss certainly deserves it since it's now very clear that he violated the most serious tenets of sportsmanship by absolutely laying down on his team last year while cashing their checks. So bashing Moss' checkered past is never wasted time. Like I said, just having a good season doesn't change all the poor sporstmanship and selfish actions he's given us over the years. And for the answer to your question, it's already been answered if you'll direct your attention to the bolded sections of my post.You took about a simple 5 or 6 word statement and let it get to you here. The post I quoted said he'd chase the money from the highest bidder. So, Ill ask you the same basic question. Do you see him going to Miami if they offer him the most cash? seriously. If not, then youve wasted a load of perfectly good bashing in the wrong place.twitch said:
I would say that if the Pats make a concerted effort to keep the offense together that he'd probably take less to stay where he is, but let's not whip out the revisionist history brush and start painting Moss as something he's not. It takes more than one season on an utterly dominant team to wipe out years of being one of the biggest pricks in the league.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I don't think Moss is big on stats and chasing records, but if he were to stick around . . .
He's on pace this year for 100-1650-21. If he actually stays on track over the last 7 games and finishes with that stat line, that would mean his career numbers through AGE 30 would be in the neighborhood of:
775 receptions, 12350 receiving yards, and 122 TD.
Just to take a shot in the dark if he were to stay there 5 more years and was consistently productive, he could garner another 400 receptions, 6500 receiving yards, and 50+ TD. For the computationally impaired, that averages out to 80-1300-10 per season.
So at 35 he could be in the vicinity of: 1175-18850-172. That would leave him 374-4045-25 short of Jerry Rice's records.
Again, I'm not sure Moss could care less about chasing Rice's career totals, but it could put him in the discussion of being able to mount a charge to get to those levels if he played long enough and stayed healthy (neither of which I would say are very likely to happen).
He's on pace this year for 100-1650-21. If he actually stays on track over the last 7 games and finishes with that stat line, that would mean his career numbers through AGE 30 would be in the neighborhood of:
775 receptions, 12350 receiving yards, and 122 TD.
Just to take a shot in the dark if he were to stay there 5 more years and was consistently productive, he could garner another 400 receptions, 6500 receiving yards, and 50+ TD. For the computationally impaired, that averages out to 80-1300-10 per season.
So at 35 he could be in the vicinity of: 1175-18850-172. That would leave him 374-4045-25 short of Jerry Rice's records.
Again, I'm not sure Moss could care less about chasing Rice's career totals, but it could put him in the discussion of being able to mount a charge to get to those levels if he played long enough and stayed healthy (neither of which I would say are very likely to happen).
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twitch
Footballguy
Im not really disagreeing. It was a solid, well-earned bash. Just pointing out that he wouldnt go to the higest bidder if it meant playing for another 2 or 3 win team with a bad QB situation. None of what Moss does now erases any part of his past. But imo, it just doesnt affect what the guy does from this point forward. I agree he's worth more, but so are other players on this team. And Im guessing this time next year, both Moss and Brady will still be playing together, and theyll still both be underpaid.First of all, thanks for agreeing with my bashing being perfectly good. Moss certainly deserves it since it's now very clear that he violated the most serious tenets of sportsmanship by absolutely laying down on his team last year while cashing their checks. So bashing Moss' checkered past is never wasted time. Like I said, just having a good season doesn't change all the poor sporstmanship and selfish actions he's given us over the years. And for the answer to your question, it's already been answered if you'll direct your attention to the bolded sections of my post.You took about a simple 5 or 6 word statement and let it get to you here. The post I quoted said he'd chase the money from the highest bidder. So, Ill ask you the same basic question. Do you see him going to Miami if they offer him the most cash? seriously. If not, then youve wasted a load of perfectly good bashing in the wrong place.twitch said:C'mpn, the guy digs "deep" to play for s top organization and now he's "above" such simple things like chasing money? I'm not saying he'll latch onto a team simply for the biggest paycheck. But this is the same malcontent piece of trash poster boy for ####### athletes. And just because he's sucking it up to win a ring and break some records doesn't turn him into a principled man all of a sudden.
I would say that if the Pats make a concerted effort to keep the offense together that he'd probably take less to stay where he is, but let's not whip out the revisionist history brush and start painting Moss as something he's not. It takes more than one season on an utterly dominant team to wipe out years of being one of the biggest pricks in the league.
Ron_Mexico
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I'm loving all the hating on the Patriots.The whining never seems to end.Dman30 said:
really puts the exclamation point on Rice and what he's accomplished.
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mcjc4
Footballguy
He may not get offered the max, but it will have to have a heavy signing bonus. if he gets his ring this year, he will be looking to get paid very well. I could see a team like the Saints making a run at him. They have their QB & RB in place for several years. They can payoff Duece's injury and free up some of that money. Moss takes that offense to the next level. Moss and his agent both know he is 30 yrs old. This next contract will probably be his last monster payday. You can just hear his agent"Randy, this is the contract that sets you and your family up for the 40 years!"
The Jets could also make a pitch that has a contract that handcuffs the Pats. It's no secret these 2 teams like to do anything possible to screw with each other.
Oh yea, the Washington Redskins Fantasy Football owner can not help himself sometimes.
The Jets could also make a pitch that has a contract that handcuffs the Pats. It's no secret these 2 teams like to do anything possible to screw with each other.
Oh yea, the Washington Redskins Fantasy Football owner can not help himself sometimes.
Actually, I think it more puuts perspective on what Rice did. It basically says that with all Moss has done and if he puts up all pro stats the next 5 years, then at 35 he will only be another 4 good years away from Rice. That says a lot to me, because that is NINE more years away. At the end of 9 years, Moss will be 1 year from 40 instead of the 30 he is now. Maybe he can do it, but with Marvin seemingly breaking down this year, I think Moss would be best to end it early. Take a solid $$$ deal with NE and play the next 4 or 5 with Brady and end as a HOF lock and a guy people will say was as good as Rice, but just didn't stay too long (like Rice did).Again, I laugh at all the $$$ discussions without even an inkling of discussion about endorsement deals. It is still a big IF, but if NE goes undefeated this year, Moss and Brady could milk millions out of that. Think about how much press the 72 Dolphins still get and that was 35 years ago, a long time before the Media frenzy that is 2007.
Manning earned almost as much in 2006 in endorsements as he did in salary and that was before the Super Bowl win. I don't know about you, but I have seen a lot more Manning commercials this year, so I would bet his endorsment $$$ in 2007 eclipsed his salary.Moss <> Manning, but if NE goes undefeated, Moss will rake in a lot of endorsment money as will Brady. If Moss goes elsewhere, then Brady will be the only one in 2008 to really reap the benefits. As people mentioned above, Moss is a huge football name so I could easily see Moss/Brady being the faces of the undefeated team (if they do so).
Also, the NFL >>>>>>>>>>>> NBA, PGA, MLB, etc. Unfortunately for the NFL, it is so much more of a team game that while there are stars, the stars don't always win like Jordan, Jeter and Tiger. Well, I think Madison Avenue took a turn with Manning and an undefeated NE team would be advertising gold.
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
Don't be surprised if the Colts lose the championship game, NE goes on to win it all and Randy Moss is wearing a Colt jersey in 2008 ala Deion Sanders (SF/Dallas) back in the 1990's. Harrison is getting old fast. And Moss/Wayne/Harrison for 1 year would be nuts if Indy has the $ to do it. Moss is cashing in after this year but won't go to a turd offense like Washington or Baltimore among others with hack QB's. He will take a little less to play with a real NFL QB. But he won't be playing for the $ he is currently playing for if he has a Super Bowl ring.
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