Interesting post. While I find the 6 drops stat hard to believe, for fantasy purposes, it has not helped that three of those six drops were TD passes that should have been caught. For real football purposes, the B.Jones drop in the Indy game very likely cost Tenn that game.
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Vince Young QB13 going forward? (1 Viewer)
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Oh yeah. He's def been off. Just not awful like some here would make it sound. It's a combination of a lot of factors, some of which you mentioned, and some of which we've already hashed out. They have all combined to make him a fantasy non-factor to this point, which should really be no shock to anyone who paid attn in the off season. If he can get healthy, though, I believe he'll get better, possibly much better, as the playoffs near.
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
He will never be a solid week in and week out fantasy QB. Why would anyone want a QB like this guy leading their team into battle? I'll stick with guys that can air it out weekly and put up 250+ passing yards with ease (something Young has never done.....ever). That's right 250 yards passing.....he has yet to do it. I don't even want to hear the lame "he has no receivers" comments like those that were used with Vick. Magically now with Harrington in there, players like Roddy White and Jenkins are actually catching the ball. Why you ask? Becasue they run the route and the ball is where it is supposed to be. With Vick it was turn for the ball and see vick scrambling. Tougher to catch the ball when you aren't sure when it is coming at you.
Heck Kellen Clemons posted 250+ with lessor WR's in his 2nd start. Derek Anderson in his 2nd start did it against PIT last year with lessor players. FYI, Brandon Jones and Roydell Williams are good WR's. I had Roydell on my board and then the Titans picked him. Then it was Roydell Williams.
Derek Anderson stats: 12 games, 24 TD's 17 INTs and was stupidly cut by Billick. A late Rd. draft pick that is superior to Young.
In looking up Young TD-INT stats, here they are: 22 games, 15 TD's and 22 INTs. THAT BLOWS!!!!!! He is no better than hacks like Garrard. In fact he is actually worse. Garrard has 13 INT's in 35 games.
You know, I didn't realize how bad this bum is until I started looking at his stats. Good thing their defense can stop the other team and make it appear Vince Young has any value at all, which he doesn't. Lose the D and Young is exposed.
And I am talking pure fantasy value here.
As far as NFL value, he is strictly a game manager like any Raven QB and Garrard. What does that get you? Nothing come post season except a big fat L.
Heck Kellen Clemons posted 250+ with lessor WR's in his 2nd start. Derek Anderson in his 2nd start did it against PIT last year with lessor players. FYI, Brandon Jones and Roydell Williams are good WR's. I had Roydell on my board and then the Titans picked him. Then it was Roydell Williams.
Derek Anderson stats: 12 games, 24 TD's 17 INTs and was stupidly cut by Billick. A late Rd. draft pick that is superior to Young.
In looking up Young TD-INT stats, here they are: 22 games, 15 TD's and 22 INTs. THAT BLOWS!!!!!! He is no better than hacks like Garrard. In fact he is actually worse. Garrard has 13 INT's in 35 games.
You know, I didn't realize how bad this bum is until I started looking at his stats. Good thing their defense can stop the other team and make it appear Vince Young has any value at all, which he doesn't. Lose the D and Young is exposed.
And I am talking pure fantasy value here.
As far as NFL value, he is strictly a game manager like any Raven QB and Garrard. What does that get you? Nothing come post season except a big fat L.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Barring a major collapse, looks like we'll get to test your theory.
What does being black have to do with anything?
Brewzers
Footballguy
I think thats true, however, I think the real value play is grabbing him in dynasty. We all saw the incredible potential last year. I for one am extremely disappointed the Titans didn't sign any noteworthy WRs this year. That should be corrected next year.
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
It will be one and done if it's tested unless the Titans play the Jags (one of the 'game managers' has to win) or the AFC West champ. Any team can beat whoever comes out of that division. Pittsburgh will destroy Young. Absolutely destroy him. That's the last team you will want to go against in the 1st round (Indy and NE with the bye).the hairy scotsman said:
It will be the same as it was for Vick, six years into his career they will be saying this is the year that Young breaks out.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
why not? with different scoring passing vs. rushing yards and passing vs. running touchdowns, it can be a rel advantage. of course the qb needs to be playing better than vince is now. vick was a great fantasy qb last year.
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
Because they are totally inconsistent. They really have no business under center in the NFL or on any fantasy team.
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
He IS horrible. These hack running QB's that are gold in college, come to the pros, and are not ready for the manly NFL. They look foolish.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Anyone ripping what Young did today has an agenda or is just clueless.
No. He wasn't perfect...but...he threw for 257 on 24-41 and threw in 52 rush yards. The rest of the team added TEN rushing yards. VY threw 1 TD and had another taken away by penalty, which then lead on the same drive to the 2nd pick (forced throw).
Why is the standard for Young so high? What do you want from the guy?
Cutler did far less for his far more offensively-talented Broncos today, and the tv boys heaped praise on him as if he won the game for them. Not taking anything away from Cutler. He did fine. I just don't get the harsh standard.
No. He wasn't perfect...but...he threw for 257 on 24-41 and threw in 52 rush yards. The rest of the team added TEN rushing yards. VY threw 1 TD and had another taken away by penalty, which then lead on the same drive to the 2nd pick (forced throw).
Why is the standard for Young so high? What do you want from the guy?
Cutler did far less for his far more offensively-talented Broncos today, and the tv boys heaped praise on him as if he won the game for them. Not taking anything away from Cutler. He did fine. I just don't get the harsh standard.
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Slingblade
Footballguy
The Tennessee O-line is horrid also.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
Ancient history. He was never relevent either. No one won consistently with him as their fantasy QB. If you did it was just because he was on the team not becasue he was a vital cog.-OZ- said:Calvitron Johnson said:I seem to remember Vick being relevant in FF.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Ancient history. He was never relevent either. No one won consistently with him as their fantasy QB. If you did it was just because he was on the team not becasue he was a vital cog.-OZ- said:Calvitron Johnson said:I seem to remember Vick being relevant in FF.
Gotta love it when you add that caveat.That's like me saying nobody ever won their league with Peyton as their QB... oh, it must be just a coincidence.
MCguidance
Footballguy
of course i sit him for a scrub and he has a half decent game...did he at least look ok?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
No. He had 3 TOs on the Jax side of the 50.
mon
(T)ool
He looked better. It was like Fisher gave him the ok to run and be himself again. And the guy above who said he would do better if Tenn gets behind may be right.
Slingblade
Footballguy
I thought it was 2?
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Or they didn't.Like I said. I saw the whole game. I and many others saw it very differently from what you saw, incl some in the national media.
It was two. VY threw 2 picks and fumbled once, recovering it. The t.o. Colin probably is thinking of is the bad snap that never got off the ground on 4th & inches, which Gannon gleefully declared as "another fumble for Young".
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
That's funny. You compare Vick to Manning.Ancient history. He was never relevent either. No one won consistently with him as their fantasy QB. If you did it was just because he was on the team not becasue he was a vital cog.-OZ- said:Calvitron Johnson said:I seem to remember Vick being relevant in FF.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
To be fair, Mon did get behind what VY did today....I'm not sure what that sig's all about though.I agree...As for people like "mon" and "Calvitron"...they are going on my ignore list. I mean seriously. Mon's sig speaks volumes about his quality.the hairy scotsman said:
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enfuego
Footballguy
Not ringing endorsement here: LINKI maintain QB13 is about right for the rest of 07...he was about 10 this week...depending in your scoring.To be fair, Mon did get behind what VY did today....I'm not sure what that sig's all about though.I agree...As for people like "mon" and "Calvitron"...they are going on my ignore list. I mean seriously. Mon's sig speaks volumes about his quality.the hairy scotsman said:
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I have zero agenda and actually believe I have a clue.Young's stats were misleading. He was just horrid for most of the game. Jax gave him all of the underneath stuff in the second half when it didn't matter. Bad decisions, bad touch, picks, confusion. Couldn't keep a drive alive. Jax thoroughly dominated the game. He looked nothing like a good NFL quarterback, let alone a stud. And I watched every play. Out of the pocket he can do some good things. In the pocket he probably ranks about 20th or worse in effectiveness. And unless Young's name rhymes with ROOOOOOOOOO, I believe the fans at the game agreed with me.the hairy scotsman said:
And for Hairy, how do you think you anybody could read your stuff objectively when your man-love is so great it is uncomfortable. You even found a positive in his only turning the ball over two times because the third wasn't his fault. Isn't two times two too many? Would you please just admit to us that you are surpressing and tell us what your true feelings are for Vince.I think "many" is a huge stretch. And I mean HUGE. Other than a few Titan homers in this thread, I don't think anyone in the country that saw this game would be happy with what they saw out of VY. Now, if you and a few other Titan homers are happy with that kind of production and decision making out of your QB, then great. Obviously nothing else anyways says is going to sway you one bit. And that's fine, I couldn't care less honestly. But I hope you are happy with your team being mired in mediocrity, because that's where the Titan's will be unless VY starts to show some definite improvement.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Who's spinning here? Not me. I found no positive in it whatsoever. I was merely clarifying Colin's mistake. That's not spin or finding a positive.Tell me how I spun his turnovers positively. I clearly stated that he forced the ball on one and threw behind on the other. Bad throws. Reading comp down for you?I've been more than willing to admit mistakes by VY. It's all there in the thread. He's not perfect. He's a 2nd year qb. What I'm railing against here is so many who can't admit anything positive he does. Some of his detractors are mature and insightful enough to do it...they're just rare.Every qb makes these mistakes. Every one. Second year qbs make more of them. Why is it worse when VY does that than when others do it?Nobody's answered that one yet.Why is the bar so high for him?I really want to know.And for Hairy, how do you think you anybody could read your stuff objectively when your man-love is so great it is uncomfortable. You even found a positive in his only turning the ball over two times because the third wasn't his fault. Isn't two times two too many? Would you please just admit to us that you are surpressing and tell us what your true feelings are for Vince.
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
How can you read my posts and tell me I said I was "happy" with the way things are going for VY right now?Reading comprehension is most definitely down in this thread. Not once did I say he was playing great. You have a few guys in this thread saying he's essentially worthless, sucks, can't do anything right, never will be worth a damn. I'm saying it's closer to the middle of the road than that....and I'm being unreasonable trying to get to middle ground? I've seen the guy struggle before, and I've seen him come out of it.
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mon
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I agree...As for people like "mon" and "Calvitron"...they are going on my ignore list. I mean seriously. Mon's sig speaks volumes about his quality.
You obviously don't have a clue what my sig is about.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
I wasn't sure it was anything to get upset about, either, but I was just as clueless. Obviously, we're missing the context. Can you provide it?I agree...As for people like "mon" and "Calvitron"...they are going on my ignore list. I mean seriously. Mon's sig speaks volumes about his quality.
mon
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There are many threads discussing BGP's sig-worthy posts. He's the Dwight Schrute of the FFA.I wasn't sure it was anything to get upset about, either, but I was just as clueless. Obviously, we're missing the context. Can you provide it?I agree...As for people like "mon" and "Calvitron"...they are going on my ignore list. I mean seriously. Mon's sig speaks volumes about his quality.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Schrute....'nuff said.There are many threads discussing BGP's sig-worthy posts. He's the Dwight Schrute of the FFA.I wasn't sure it was anything to get upset about, either, but I was just as clueless. Obviously, we're missing the context. Can you provide it?I agree...As for people like "mon" and "Calvitron"...they are going on my ignore list. I mean seriously. Mon's sig speaks volumes about his quality.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio today was basically saying that VY is not smart enough to be a successful QB in the NFL today. He cited the very low Wonderlic score as a proxy for one's ability to quickly process info and make decisions in an NFL of increasing complexity.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Tell that to Carson Palmer.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Looks like Vince is finally coming around this year...still thinking Madden jinx?
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Nice day for VY & the Titan O.
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