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UPDATE: Childress says "Unlikely Peterson plays next week" (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Edit: Joe. If Vikings fans can't make fun of the situation, I don't know what we'll do.
For god's sake man let us have our catharsis!
For god's sake man let us have our catharsis!
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
So in your opinion, AD will be back as a full time starter right in time for the FF playoffs? Sounds more like wishful thinking. Odds are they are ultra careful with him for the rest of the year. No way they risk their franchise back considering they are all but out of the playoffs.I think im missing something here? Who created a new thread? The OP? or Someone else? And i dont see where they merged any threads.... someone fill me in please!IMO- ADP will be back week 13 RBBC and week 14 fully.Nothing to get. Sometimes it's easier to merge. Sometimes it's easier to start a new thread.And posts like yours and mine are always damaging to a thread where we get off the intended topic.Because his new thread had the new information on the tear in the headline.
J
TIA for fillling me in...
I all seriousness, as I was watching the game, it just "felt" like he was getting too many carries.Not sure if this makes any sense (and I understand that the injury had nothing to do with the # of carries).
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No, I know what you mean. You could just tell that all eleven guys on the defense were looking to take a shot at him, knowing that the Vikings couldn't pass the ball.It was literally dangerous for him to be out there under those conditions.
snogger
Footballguy
Huh?? he had 11 carries and 3 receptions.. If that is too many he may need to switch to Board Games.
shadyridr
Footballguy
AJ had an MCL or PCL IIRC. Not an LCL.lol at all the acronyms
Here are all of the Vikings offensive plays until AP got injured...1st Possession -- 2 touches, 3 plays
2-M.Crosby kicks 65 yards from GB 30 to MIN 5. 82-T.Williamson to MIN 29 for 24 yards (38-T.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (14:54) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 34 for 5 yards (56-N.Barnett).
2-5-MIN 34 (14:17) 9-B.Bollinger left tackle to MIN 38 for 4 yards (56-N.Barnett).
3-1-MIN 38 (13:41) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 38 for no gain (51-B.Poppinga, 20-A.Bigby).
4-1-MIN 38 (13:07) 5-C.Kluwe punts 54 yards to GB 8, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 21-C.Woodson to GB 18 for 10 yards (52-C.Greenway).
2nd Possession -- 4 touches, 5 plays
2-M.Crosby kicks 67 yards from GB 30 to MIN 3, out of bounds.
1-10-MIN 40 (7:18) 9-B.Bollinger pass short right to 28-A.Peterson to MIN 42 for 2 yards (20-A.Bigby).
2-8-MIN 42 (6:46) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to GB 46 for 12 yards (50-A.Hawk, 21-C.Woodson).
1-10-GB 46 (6:10) 28-A.Peterson left guard to GB 46 for no gain (97-J.Jolly).
2-10-GB 46 (5:34) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to GB 42 for 4 yards (50-A.Hawk).
3-6-GB 42 (4:55) (Shotgun) 9-B.Bollinger pass incomplete short right to 84-A.Allison.
4-6-GB 42 (4:52) 5-C.Kluwe punts 42 yards to end zone, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Touchback.
3rd Possession -- 2 touches, 1 target, 4 plays
1-10-MIN 20 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 31 for 11 yards (77-C.Jenkins).
1-10-MIN 31
41) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 35 for 4 yards (50-A.Hawk).2-6-MIN 35
04) 9-B.Bollinger pass incomplete short right to 28-A.Peterson.END QUARTER 1
3-6-MIN 35 (15:00) (Shotgun) 9-B.Bollinger pass incomplete short right to 81-V.Shiancoe.
4-6-MIN 35 (14:56) 5-C.Kluwe punts 57 yards to GB 8, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 21-C.Woodson to GB 10 for 2 yards (59-H.Farwell).
4th Possession -- 3 touches, 5 plays
2-M.Crosby kicks 64 yards from GB 30 to MIN 6. 82-T.Williamson to MIN 20 for 14 yards (59-T.White).
1-10-MIN 20 (6:25) 9-B.Bollinger pass short left to 49-T.Richardson pushed ob at MIN 24 for 4 yards (37-A.Rouse).
2-6-MIN 24 (6:03) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 35 for 11 yards (20-A.Bigby).
1-10-MIN 35 (6:03) PENALTY on MIN-78-M.Birk, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 35 - No Play.
1-15-MIN 30 (5:16) 9-B.Bollinger pass short left to 28-A.Peterson to MIN 31 for 1 yard (50-A.Hawk).
2-14-MIN 31 (4:30) 28-A.Peterson right end pushed ob at MIN 29 for -2 yards (74-A.Kampman).
3-16-MIN 29 (3:46) (Shotgun) 29-C.Taylor left guard to MIN 40 for 11 yards (21-C.Woodson).
4-5-MIN 40 (3:01) 5-C.Kluwe punts 55 yards to GB 5, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 21-C.Woodson to GB 19 for 14 yards (59-H.Farwell).
5th Possession -- 2 touches, 3 plays
2-M.Crosby kicks 74 yards from GB 30 to MIN -4. 82-T.Williamson, Touchback.
1-10-MIN 20 (9:29) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 23 for 3 yards (97-J.Jolly).
Timeout #1 by MIN at 08:41.
2-7-MIN 23 (8:41) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for no gain (20-A.Bigby). FUMBLES (20-A.Bigby), and recovers at MIN 20. 28-A.Peterson to MIN 20 for no gain (51-B.Poppinga).
3-10-MIN 20 (7:58) (Shotgun) 9-B.Bollinger sacked at MIN 16 for -4 yards (94-K.Gbaja-Biamila).
4-14-MIN 16 (7:34) 5-C.Kluwe punts 56 yards to GB 28, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 21-C.Woodson to GB 41 for 13 yards (27-R.Whitaker). PENALTY on GB-38-T.Williams, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 10 yards, enforced at GB 41.
6th Possession -- 1 touch, 4 plays
2-M.Crosby kicks 58 yards from GB 30 to MIN 12. 82-T.Williamson to MIN 28 for 16 yards (96-M.Montgomery).
1-10-MIN 28 (2:18) 9-B.Bollinger pass short right to 19-B.Wade to MIN 39 for 11 yards (21-C.Woodson) [99-C.Williams]. Penalty on MIN-19-B.Wade, Offensive Pass Interference, offsetting, enforced at MIN 28 - No Play. Penalty on GB-99-C.Williams, Roughing the Passer, offsetting.
1-10-MIN 28 (2:12) 9-B.Bollinger pass deep right to 89-R.Ferguson pushed ob at GB 37 for 35 yards (31-A.Harris).
1-10-GB 37 (1:47) 9-B.Bollinger pass incomplete deep right to 19-B.Wade (24-J.Bush).
2-10-GB 37 (1:40) 9-B.Bollinger pass short right to 28-A.Peterson to GB 26 for 11 yards (31-A.Harris). MIN-28-A.Peterson was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
As you can see...in the flow of the game, AP was the offense. While he only had 14 touches + 1 missed target, the Vikes only ran 24 plays before the injury (62.5% of the plays were to AP). I'm sure this has happened before with many RB's, but as I was watching the game, it just seemed like they were feeding the ball to AP on every play against a 12 man front.
As my previous post stated, I just had an uneasy "feeling" that he was getting the ball too much.
ETA: I'm kind of surprised at the 180 Childress pulled with feeding AP the ball...2 weeks ago, it seemed he was destined for 12-15 per game for the whole season.
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Isn't it the Defense' job to tackle the ball carrier?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
When they're playing the Vikings, yes. When playing the other 31 teams, some defensive players are reserved for defending recievers and tight ends.Isn't it the Defense' job to tackle the ball carrier?
kremenull
Footballguy
Well, you ever heard of incentives?.........there are certain milestones in Peterson's contract that call for the Vikes to fork over additional $$$$$ if he exceeds them......1,300 yards rushing is one of the incentives, and there are several others, like R.O.Y. and NFL leading rusher, etc, that would call for the Vikes to fork over more $$$$$$.........So, given the fact that this org just tried to stiff a guy his weekly paycheck for attending a family member's funeral, do you actually think they (Vikes) would simply love to hand over (possibly) millions of $$$ to "AD" when they have no shot at the postseason this year?........There have been numerous situations like this in the past where team doctors can "suggest" an end to a player's season......and who's paying the team doctors?........hmmmmmmm
MCguidance
Footballguy
If anyone would know, its Schlereth:Before ending his playing career, Schlereth endured 29 surgeries, 20 on his knees (15 left, 5 right). After the 13th procedure on his left knee on July 24, 2000, Denver head coach Mike Shanahan stated, "He has a great pain threshold. I think the doctors said that it was the worst knee that they've ever seen." Schlereth would have two more procedures on his left knee during the 2000 season, his last in the NFL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Schlereth
FFdork
Footballguy
I listened to the local radio through this newfangled interweb thingy. Radio hosts have been talking to doctors who, admittedly without seeing the MRI, said this injury should be more like 4 weeks to heal + 2 to rehab. Again, this is speculation on their part without any first-hand knowledge of ADP's exact injury, so take it FWIW. Still, it's worrisome.
snogger
Footballguy
I'm sticking with my Week 15 return.. If the doctors clear him to play and he is feeling no pain from practice they will get him out there as part of a RBBC.
I don't expect we will see him carry the full load again this season. But I do expect, barring a set back, him to return by week 15.
FWIW
The foo
Footballguy
This is the correct answer. 6 weeks. Coming from an orthopedic i know.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I personally thought the veiled suggestion that formally educated people in this matter should say that, and those that aren't should add that caveat in the beginning of the post as a valuable suggestion. It's frustrating to read a blurb that ends up being a cut and paste from tehdoctor.com rather than from the mind of an actual one.snogger said:Joe Bryant said:Please don't go there. TIA.Jsnogger said:Yea.. Thanks for your info.. Because, as we know every LCL/ACL/MCL tear is exactly the same.Without your input where would we be.thehornet said:thanks for the added value.I love these "I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Express last night" comments.
I was making a statement as a whole about all the people in here claiming they know more than what we are being told. He took it as a personal
and I thought I'd run with it.Sometimes as a Vikings fan you have to go with what you have.. My bad.
Not sure why Joe didn't appreciate it. 
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Without reading all the posts in this thread, and I'm sure it's already been stated, but one would think that Peterson's season will be done if Minnesota doesn't have a chance at a playoff spot when ADP is healthy. You don't risk your future over a couple of meaningless regular season games.
thehornet
Footballguy
kid, what are you talking about? nobody cut and pasted anything here. go play with your baseball cards.I personally thought the veiled suggestion that formally educated people in this matter should say that, and those that aren't should add that caveat in the beginning of the post as a valuable suggestion. It's frustrating to read a blurb that ends up being a cut and paste from tehdoctor.com rather than from the mind of an actual one.snogger said:Joe Bryant said:Please don't go there. TIA.Jsnogger said:Yea.. Thanks for your info.. Because, as we know every LCL/ACL/MCL tear is exactly the same.Without your input where would we be.thehornet said:thanks for the added value.I love these "I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Express last night" comments.
I was making a statement as a whole about all the people in here claiming they know more than what we are being told. He took it as a personal
Not sure why Joe didn't appreciate it.
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Max Power
Footballguy
Sounds like good news. I always tend to worry about the physiological side of playing at less than 100%.
Red Apples
Footballguy
ESPN Clayton says 2-4 weeks out.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Commons sense over coach speak and rhetoric applies here. There is no way, NO WAY, that Peterson is put on the field unless he's absolutely 100%. That means full running/cutting without a brace. Vikings should be focusing on getting a QB, WR and retooling for next year at this point. They are going nowhere this season.
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
I tried to figure out how to link this with that quick access, but I didn't want to screw it up.
http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_childress111207.aspx
It's mostly a rehash to what has been said in bits and pieces throughout this thread.
As for the Clayton prognosis, that sounds promising. He knows his stuff and hopefully it's more like 2 weeks than 4.
http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_childress111207.aspx
It's mostly a rehash to what has been said in bits and pieces throughout this thread.
As for the Clayton prognosis, that sounds promising. He knows his stuff and hopefully it's more like 2 weeks than 4.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I have ADP in a dynasty, SHUT HIM DOWN NOW! The future is too bright. I got ADP because of his injury risk, well it happened, but so be it. No need to bring him back too early and risk further injury.
Saint
Footballguy
Anyone watching the game would know it was just a low-hit. Could have happened to any RB at anytime. Has nothing to do with the number of carries, etc. Minnesota was playing their best offensive weapon. Some of these posts make me laugh about being overworked. That's like saying LT should only get 10-15 carriers per game. Let's be real, you play your offensive weapons as much as you can.
Fact is football is a rough sport. Injuries happen. Judge Smails nailed it. At this point, the Vikes know what they have in Peterson. Based on the terrible Offensive passing game, their playoff shot is over. Peterson will hit the field for experience factors, but ONLY when he is 100%. The Vikes have to worry about becoming more of a complete team. That's their biggest concern.
At this point, the LCL injury tends to be of the lesser nature from all of the posts and commentaries from the various sporting channels. To say he would be back early is probably a misnomer as there is no reason to risk their best weapon until he is 100% healthy. I would say Wk 14-15 sounds about right based on some rehab and the fact that he heals quickly. Maybe in time for fantasy playoffs, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Fact is football is a rough sport. Injuries happen. Judge Smails nailed it. At this point, the Vikes know what they have in Peterson. Based on the terrible Offensive passing game, their playoff shot is over. Peterson will hit the field for experience factors, but ONLY when he is 100%. The Vikes have to worry about becoming more of a complete team. That's their biggest concern.
At this point, the LCL injury tends to be of the lesser nature from all of the posts and commentaries from the various sporting channels. To say he would be back early is probably a misnomer as there is no reason to risk their best weapon until he is 100% healthy. I would say Wk 14-15 sounds about right based on some rehab and the fact that he heals quickly. Maybe in time for fantasy playoffs, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
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treat88
Footballguy
Pains me to say it, as I'm fighting for a playoff spot, but I agree.Until there is a Vikes QB who D's need to respect AD will be a marked man.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That is a fact, without a QB and at 3-6 it does not make sense.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I am just glad it wasn't his collarbone again. That was my first thought after seeing how he landed. Too talented to be pulling a Chuck Rogers.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
First point well taken, should he come back. To the second point by the DaGuru, if he is fully healed, which looks like he should be, you have some stuff to work on... why not put him out there. If is 100% fully healed, why not? Risk that he gets re-injured... it's like the Chargers benching LT in week 17 if they already know they are going to miss the playoffs. There's pride all the way around, much less getting the kid to learn the NFL as much as you can, so he's not doing it Week 1 in '08.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Well if he heals up and is healthy, how would that put him at more risk to be injured? Its not as if he made his ACL or MCL for that matter, weaker by tearing his LCL. In other words, they don't support eachother. In fact, the LCL heals a lot faster and better than an ACL.
3nOut
Footballguy
Exactly, AD owners should prefer to have teams teeing off on him at the beginning of the season and lose him for more games
Bodysnatcher
Footballguy
Well, here is the problem for ADP owners. He won't be the same for the rest of the year, even if he does return.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Now how on earth can you make a definative statement like that?
snogger
Footballguy
OK then.. Why not just shut him down until 2009.. The Vikings probably won't be competing for a Super Bowl until then any ways... No need to risk it.
snogger
Footballguy
Because they will return to the RBBC approach they started the year off. I don't expect him to have more than 15 carries a game when he returns.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
How does that explain that he will not be the same? Might he have less opportunity? Yes. Will he definately not be the same? Who the heck knows!?
gianmarco
Footballguy
Guys, the NFL doesn't work that way. You don't sit him if he's able to play just because you're out of the playoffs. If that were the case, why on earth was S. Jackson, Bulger, T. Holt, and Bruce playing yesterday? Why does any team in the NFL continue to play their starters despite being eliminated? Because they get paid to do so and the fans who buy tickets pay to see them, not 2nd stringers. If AP is healthy and cleared to play, he will be out on the field carrying the ball. Of course, they won't "rush him back", but you better believe he'll be out on the field even if it's just the last game of the season if he's able to play. And he should be.
PantherPower
Footballguy
Ya i agree with this. you sit him only if he CAN'T come back 100% this year, Do you take a chance and play him if he is not 100% and cause more damage for next year , IMO NO!! But your right you don't just sit him to sit him, if healthy he will play, but I believe the Vikes will be extra carfeful with him
GoBirds
Footballguy
I think even if he comes back I think Taylor carries the load to increase his trade value, his days in MIN are numbered w/ADP there. Assuming they are out of playoffs.
