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Early Vegas Lines for Week 12 (1 Viewer)

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Devil's Advocate
Home team on the bottom.

Thursday, 11/22

Green Bay -3½

Detroit 48

N.Y. Jets 47½

Dallas -14

Indianapolis -11 (Can the Colts even score 11 points???) :hophead:

Atlanta 42½

Sunday, 11/25

Oakland 35

Kansas City -6

Houston 51½

Cleveland -4

Buffalo 36

Jacksonville -7½

Seattle -3

St. Louis 45

Minnesota 41

N.Y. Giants -7½

New Orleans -3

Carolina 41

Washington 36½

Tampa Bay -3

San Francisco 38

Arizona -10½

Baltimore 38½

San Diego -9½

Philadelphia 50

New England -22

Monday, 11/26

Miami 42½

Pittsburgh -16

No lines available yet on Denver/CHI or Tennessee/CIN.

 
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Mimo said:
RAIDERNATION said:
RAIDERNATION said:


Philadelphia 50

New England -22
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BUMP for the highly-anticipated Pats spread. :thumbup:
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Pats will cover and take the over
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You'll have to take them separately, as most books won't let you parlay that with numbers that high.I'm frankly astounded at this line. I'm not implying that New England won't cover, but this isn't some scrub outfit they're playing. Sure, Philly is having a bit of a down year, but they are still a respected organization. At this rate, the Pats will almost certainly be 30 point favorites at home against Miami in week 16, which is too mind-blowing to even contemplate.

 
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I think I like the Pats over 50 more than -22. NWE has only won five games by more than 22 -- three times NWE has won by 21. Seven times NWE games have gone over 50.

 
Steelers cover the 16. They seem to always rebound after the losses with big wins, especially at home. Monday night, too...

 
Chase Stuart said:
I think I like the Pats over 50 more than -22. NWE has only won five games by more than 22 -- three times NWE has won by 21. Seven times NWE games have gone over 50.
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Chase, the thinking there is probably that Philly could get shut out if they have to start Feeley. Still, the Pats could go 50+ themselves.
 
Chase Stuart said:
timschochet said:
Chase Stuart said:
Jets at +14 is free money.
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The Jets defense really surprised me against the Steelers. and they've been in a lot of close games this year. I'd be hesitant to touch this game, actually.
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Jets are 9-1 against a spread of +14.Cowboys are 4-6 against a spread of -14.
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You can't look at it that way. Why should the Jets have lost by 14+ in games they were getting less than a TD, for instance?
 
RAIDERNATION said:
Mimo said:
RAIDERNATION said:
RAIDERNATION said:


Philadelphia 50

New England -22
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BUMP for the highly-anticipated Pats spread. :wall:
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Pats will cover and take the over
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You'll have to take them separately, as most books won't let you parlay that with numbers that high.I'm frankly astounded at this line. I'm not implying that New England won't cover, but this isn't some scrub outfit they're playing. Sure, Philly is having a bit of a down year, but they are still a respected organization. At this rate, the Pats will almost certainly be 30 point favorites at home against Miami in week 16, which is too mind-blowing to even contemplate.
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Unfortunately, I'm sure the Pats will have HFA locked up by then and will be playing 2nd stringers...Still prolly be a 16-20 point favorite -- but not 30..

 
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I suppose we could make this board all Pats all the time, but...

I really like Zona -10 1/2 at home vs San Fran.

Cardinals are tough in the desert and have beaten Seattle, Pittsburgh, and Detroit there. The one home loss was the Carolina disaster when Warner got hurt and Rattay came in. After being ahead 10-9 going into the 4th quarter, Rattay threw 3 INTs in the quarter to lose 25-10.

Their D is good enough to hold the pathetic 49er offense to 10 points and get some turnovers. Dilfer is again at QB, Gore aggravated his injury again in last week's game, and SF is just horrible on offense having scored just 113 points in 10 games. There's no way the Cardinals offense doesn't easily score 21 points, and 21-10 would cover. This looks more like about a 34-10 game to me, covering the 10 1/2 pretty comfortably.

 
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RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
timschochet said:
Chase Stuart said:
Jets at +14 is free money.
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The Jets defense really surprised me against the Steelers. and they've been in a lot of close games this year. I'd be hesitant to touch this game, actually.
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Jets are 9-1 against a spread of +14.Cowboys are 4-6 against a spread of -14.
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You can't look at it that way. Why should the Jets have lost by 14+ in games they were getting less than a TD, for instance?
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You can look at it any way you like.The point is the Jets haven't lost by more than 11 in ten weeks. Thinking they're going to lose by 14 now seems out of place. Especially since they just a comparable team in Pittsburgh, while the Cowboys have won by more than 11 just once in seven weeks.

The Jets are playing pretty good football these days. They took Washington to overtime, and seemed to play them every bit as tough as Dallas did.

 
Chase Stuart said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
timschochet said:
Chase Stuart said:
Jets at +14 is free money.
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The Jets defense really surprised me against the Steelers. and they've been in a lot of close games this year. I'd be hesitant to touch this game, actually.
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Jets are 9-1 against a spread of +14.Cowboys are 4-6 against a spread of -14.
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You can't look at it that way. Why should the Jets have lost by 14+ in games they were getting less than a TD, for instance?
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You can look at it any way you like.The point is the Jets haven't lost by more than 11 in ten weeks. Thinking they're going to lose by 14 now seems out of place. Especially since they just a comparable team in Pittsburgh, while the Cowboys have won by more than 11 just once in seven weeks.

The Jets are playing pretty good football these days. They took Washington to overtime, and seemed to play them every bit as tough as Dallas did.
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The took Washington to OT at home, and they beat Pittsburgh at home. Thanksgiving day in Texas Stadium coming off a huge victory is a very tough spot. I hear what you're saying, but if my life depended on it, I'd lay the points. Dallas will score 38, minimum.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
Home team on the bottom.

Thursday, 11/22

Green Bay -3½

Detroit 48

N.Y. Jets 47½

Dallas -14

Indianapolis -11 (Can the Colts even score 11 points???) :goodposting:

Atlanta 42½

Sunday, 11/25

Oakland 35

Kansas City -6

Houston 51½

Cleveland -4

Buffalo 36

Jacksonville -7½

Seattle -3

St. Louis 45

Minnesota 41

N.Y. Giants -7½

New Orleans -3

Carolina 41

Washington 36½

Tampa Bay -3

San Francisco 38

Arizona -10½

Baltimore 38½

San Diego -9½

Philadelphia 50

New England -22

Monday, 11/26

Miami 42½

Pittsburgh -16

No lines available yet on Denver/CHI or Tennessee/CIN.
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I love the NY Giants, STL Rams and the NO Saints.I usually don't like big spreads but I like the G-Men alot right now.

I might be a homer but the Rams are healthy and while they didn't show it against SF I think they might be able to win 5-6 games here int he 2nd half.

And NO.............well Carolina is awful. They've lost 4 in a row overall and they haven't won at home yet this year (0-4 as well.)

 
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
timschochet said:
Chase Stuart said:
Jets at +14 is free money.
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The Jets defense really surprised me against the Steelers. and they've been in a lot of close games this year. I'd be hesitant to touch this game, actually.
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Jets are 9-1 against a spread of +14.Cowboys are 4-6 against a spread of -14.
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You can't look at it that way. Why should the Jets have lost by 14+ in games they were getting less than a TD, for instance?
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You can look at it any way you like.The point is the Jets haven't lost by more than 11 in ten weeks. Thinking they're going to lose by 14 now seems out of place. Especially since they just a comparable team in Pittsburgh, while the Cowboys have won by more than 11 just once in seven weeks.

The Jets are playing pretty good football these days. They took Washington to overtime, and seemed to play them every bit as tough as Dallas did.
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The took Washington to OT at home, and they beat Pittsburgh at home. Thanksgiving day in Texas Stadium coming off a huge victory is a very tough spot. I hear what you're saying, but if my life depended on it, I'd lay the points. Dallas will score 38, minimum.
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No way Cowboys win by less than 14. They will take them seriously after they just beat the Steel.
 
Dolfan said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Mimo said:
RAIDERNATION said:
RAIDERNATION said:


Philadelphia 50

New England -22
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BUMP for the highly-anticipated Pats spread. :unsure:
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Pats will cover and take the over
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You'll have to take them separately, as most books won't let you parlay that with numbers that high.I'm frankly astounded at this line. I'm not implying that New England won't cover, but this isn't some scrub outfit they're playing. Sure, Philly is having a bit of a down year, but they are still a respected organization. At this rate, the Pats will almost certainly be 30 point favorites at home against Miami in week 16, which is too mind-blowing to even contemplate.
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Unfortunately, I'm sure the Pats will have HFA locked up by then and will be playing 2nd stringers...Still prolly be a 16-20 point favorite -- but not 30..
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You're basing them playing 2nd stringers on logic that says resting up is the right move. But this is Belichick, angry against the world. When he's got Brady in there up 42-10, he clearly isn't thinking straight.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
Indianapolis -11 (Can the Colts even score 11 points???) :thumbdown:

Atlanta 42½
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If Ugoh and Gonzalez comes back - yes they can (as Colts.com implied could happen), yes they can. It hasn't been emphasized enough how awful Charlie Johnson and Aaron Moorehead have been (because it can't be emphasized enough).
 
Based on trends, I like Oakland +5.5 and UNDER 35. The last five games have been lower than the total set, and none of them were particularly high. This year, both offenses are struggling and the defenses are stout. The first meeting between the two teams this year was a 2-point winning margin with 22 total points.

I'd expect a scoreline of KC 13, Oakland 10; KC 16, Oakland 13, etc.

 
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
timschochet said:
Chase Stuart said:
Jets at +14 is free money.
Click to expand...
The Jets defense really surprised me against the Steelers. and they've been in a lot of close games this year. I'd be hesitant to touch this game, actually.
Click to expand...
Jets are 9-1 against a spread of +14.Cowboys are 4-6 against a spread of -14.
Click to expand...
You can't look at it that way. Why should the Jets have lost by 14+ in games they were getting less than a TD, for instance?
Click to expand...
You can look at it any way you like.The point is the Jets haven't lost by more than 11 in ten weeks. Thinking they're going to lose by 14 now seems out of place. Especially since they just a comparable team in Pittsburgh, while the Cowboys have won by more than 11 just once in seven weeks.

The Jets are playing pretty good football these days. They took Washington to overtime, and seemed to play them every bit as tough as Dallas did.
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The took Washington to OT at home, and they beat Pittsburgh at home. Thanksgiving day in Texas Stadium coming off a huge victory is a very tough spot. I hear what you're saying, but if my life depended on it, I'd lay the points. Dallas will score 38, minimum.
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Well... I was wrong about them scoring 38. :lmao:
 
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
I think I like the Pats over 50 more than -22. NWE has only won five games by more than 22 -- three times NWE has won by 21. Seven times NWE games have gone over 50.
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Chase, the thinking there is probably that Philly could get shut out if they have to start Feeley. Still, the Pats could go 50+ themselves.
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Line up to 24 so I teased it up to PHI+30.5. I've had success betting on NE this season but I think this game is my tipping point. Doubt if I'll take NE again this year with the point spreads they are seeing right now. PHI simply isn't THAT bad.
 
BoltBacker said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
I think I like the Pats over 50 more than -22. NWE has only won five games by more than 22 -- three times NWE has won by 21. Seven times NWE games have gone over 50.
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Chase, the thinking there is probably that Philly could get shut out if they have to start Feeley. Still, the Pats could go 50+ themselves.
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Line up to 24 so I teased it up to PHI+30.5.
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I'd be nervous about having Philly +30.5, which is an amazing statement. :)
 
BoltBacker said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
I think I like the Pats over 50 more than -22. NWE has only won five games by more than 22 -- three times NWE has won by 21. Seven times NWE games have gone over 50.
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Chase, the thinking there is probably that Philly could get shut out if they have to start Feeley. Still, the Pats could go 50+ themselves.
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Line up to 24 so I teased it up to PHI+30.5. I've had success betting on NE this season but I think this game is my tipping point. Doubt if I'll take NE again this year with the point spreads they are seeing right now. PHI simply isn't THAT bad.
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It's getting comical. Now up to 25.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
BoltBacker said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
I think I like the Pats over 50 more than -22. NWE has only won five games by more than 22 -- three times NWE has won by 21. Seven times NWE games have gone over 50.
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Chase, the thinking there is probably that Philly could get shut out if they have to start Feeley. Still, the Pats could go 50+ themselves.
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Line up to 24 so I teased it up to PHI+30.5.
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I'd be nervous about having Philly +30.5, which is an amazing statement. :no:
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Most people agree with you. At my book 71+% are betting on NE right now. It'll be interesting to see how the line changes before kickoff. I think there are some people like myself that were hoping it would go up a bit before they took the dog. Usually the heavy favorite gets a ton of bets late but I'm not so sure in this instance. At my book it's still PHI+24 but I believe Pasquino. There probably are 25 point lines somewhere.What would be your tipping point? I rode the wave when I could tease NE down to -9 or so but now there's no way I can pass up 30+ points to a team that is pretty good. If it were NYJ/MIA in coming weeks maybe I'd just stay away but if I can tease +30 on PHI/PIT/NYG or maybe BAL I'm gonna take the points.
 
Chase Stuart said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Chase Stuart said:
timschochet said:
Chase Stuart said:
Jets at +14 is free money.
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The Jets defense really surprised me against the Steelers. and they've been in a lot of close games this year. I'd be hesitant to touch this game, actually.
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Jets are 9-1 against a spread of +14.Cowboys are 4-6 against a spread of -14.
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You can't look at it that way. Why should the Jets have lost by 14+ in games they were getting less than a TD, for instance?
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You can look at it any way you like.The point is the Jets haven't lost by more than 11 in ten weeks. Thinking they're going to lose by 14 now seems out of place. Especially since they just a comparable team in Pittsburgh, while the Cowboys have won by more than 11 just once in seven weeks.

The Jets are playing pretty good football these days. They took Washington to overtime, and seemed to play them every bit as tough as Dallas did.
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Jet fans will never learn. Their green colored goggles just don't allow them to see things objectively...they just can't. Even someone who gets it like Chase; it is Jet disease
 
Well, I did it. I took a 15.5 point teaser and took Philly getting 40 along with Jacksonville getting 7.5, Pitt -.5, and the Giants getting 8 (One odd bet)

I like Cleveland straight today -3 as I think they will cover that spread 60% of the time. I also think TB will cover 3.

I like Seattle as they destroyed St. Louis last time they played, but St. Louis is a better now so with Hass banged up and Seattle on the road I am staying away.

I would look at a few teasers as getting SD down or the Giants down and then go over with the NE/Phil game. NE could score 40 by themselves so all you need is 10 from Philly and you are in business.

FWIW, I had GB big on Thanksgiving (I also have GB in an open teaser). I took Dallas, but also lost taking the under in the Indy/Atlanta game.

 
Liquid Tension said:
Well, I did it. I took a 15.5 point teaser and took Philly getting 40 along with Jacksonville getting 7.5, Pitt -.5, and the Giants getting 8.
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What's the juice on that sweetheart teaser? I would imagine it's something like $150 to make $100?If you lose with Philly +40, it's time to quit gambling forever. :shrug: Those other three legs look unbeatable.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
Liquid Tension said:
Well, I did it. I took a 15.5 point teaser and took Philly getting 40 along with Jacksonville getting 7.5, Pitt -.5, and the Giants getting 8.
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What's the juice on that sweetheart teaser? I would imagine it's something like $150 to make $100?If you lose with Philly +40, it's time to quit gambling forever. :thumbup: Those other three legs look unbeatable.
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My over bets worked as Cleveland (my best bet), and TB but I lost the teaser on the Giants. With GB it was a very good week, but it could have been great if the Giants didn't lay an egg. I don't remember the exact odds but the teaser was something like 220 to win $100.
 
Surprised the Raiders and Chiefs tacked on just a few more points than the over/under. Knew that Oakland +5.5 was easy money, though. Any team, any game at any stadium in that series shouldn't have a 5.5-point favorite. Even in 2003 when the Chiefs won 13 games and the Raiders only five (I think; something like that), both games were close.

 
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