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Why would you draw that conclusion, he's averaging less than 4yrds per carry and in watching the game he hasn't seemed to get anything that he shouldn't have. Denver made Chicago look bad on a few option type runs early on where Hall gained big yards before he was touched.
Not sure if he'll ever be a starter or not, but give the kid some credit - It's Hall's first career start and he has 167 yards of total offense and a TD...Most RB's never sniff a game this good.
Look to me like he averaged almost 7 yards a touch.
Today's performance? He averaged 3.77 yards per carry. He had a couple of big gainers, but on every single one he hit a big hole and ran for a bunch before he was ever touched. Basically, outside of the long screen pass, all he did all day long was take exactly what was given to him, and nothing more.
does your league give negative points if an RB averages less than 4 yard per carry
Young would have ran for 200+ todaydoes your league give negative points if an RB averages less than 4 yard per carry
No offense, but from the start you have overvalued what Young has done and undervalued the threat of Hall. It's hard not to conclude that you are seeing this through the bias of being a Young dynasty owner. We all know there is more to a running performance than YPC. Have to do better than that especially since he was at 4.0 until some badly blocked carries when CHI knew they were running near the end.
So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.az_prof said:
Let me get this straight - Hall is a free agent in your dynasty league, but you've decided not to add him because you would rather roster Tatum Bell, Mewelde Moore and Chris Perry?So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.az_prof said:
So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.az_prof said:
Couldn't agree more. Hall seemed to be 1-dimensional compared to Henry / Young. He has quickness, but lacks power in the middle. Young is the better bet between hall / young in my opinion after today as long as Young can come back from injury.Either way, I have all 3 DEN backs, so I just hope that the Goodell makes our lives easy already and makes his decision public so that we don't have to take up a spot anymore or do but knowing he'll be OK. NO RBBC!!! Thats all I care about.
Says the guy who owns Selvin Young in both of his leagues (Check the sig.).Guys, it's OK to admit Hall played pretty well today and deserves to be discussed as part of the Denver RB situation.So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.az_prof said:Couldn't agree more. Hall seemed to be 1-dimensional compared to Henry / Young. He has quickness, but lacks power in the middle. Young is the better bet between hall / young in my opinion after today as long as Young can come back from injury.Either way, I have all 3 DEN backs, so I just hope that the Goodell makes our lives easy already and makes his decision public so that we don't have to take up a spot anymore or do but knowing he'll be OK. NO RBBC!!! Thats all I care about.
Young can't he has been hurt every year that he has played football.So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.az_prof said:
It's actually worse than that, even. My league has an IR option, so I essentially have an open roster spot thanks to Kenny Irons.Mike Bell's on the street, too. I'm just not in a rush to burn my waiver priority for a player buried deep on the depth chart of a team notorious for constantly adding fresh faces and churning its roster from year to year at that position.Let me get this straight - Hall is a free agent in your dynasty league, but you've decided not to add him because you would rather roster Tatum Bell, Mewelde Moore and Chris Perry?So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.az_prof said:
-1 penalty in mine.fsufan said:does your league give negative points if an RB averages less than 4 yard per carry
Shanahan says Henry's definitely playing next week.
i'm sure Goodell doesn't agree with that
if this is true and you would actually let an opponent pick him up with all the uncertainty there is in Denver right now, that is just arrogant and not playing strategically. You would leave a potential starter RB on waivers for an opponent to pick up and just keep an open roster spot? Are you serious?Man, I used to like alot of stuff you post and think you were pretty smart... That you wouldn't even consider trying to trade him or keep him from someone else means I will not put much stock in what you have to say on here in the future. Thats just not smart. Please explain further... Does it cost you something to pick up a player?It's actually worse than that, even. My league has an IR option, so I essentially have an open roster spot thanks to Kenny Irons.Mike Bell's on the street, too. I'm just not in a rush to burn my waiver priority for a player buried deep on the depth chart of a team notorious for constantly adding fresh faces and churning its roster from year to year at that position.Let me get this straight - Hall is a free agent in your dynasty league, but you've decided not to add him because you would rather roster Tatum Bell, Mewelde Moore and Chris Perry?So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.az_prof said:
I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. I think that one thing the Bears do well is tackle - at least, they have that capability (maybe not this year, but they can be good). Hall was taking some pretty strong shots today, and I'm not sure that many RB's would have broken off more tackles. OK, maybe a much larger back, but that isn't really Hall's game.I did see hall make a couple of nice cutbacks on at least one run and at least one catch - those probably were the big gainers. He does seem to have decent vision. Tatum Bell would have plowed onto the lineman vs hitting the cutback lane.So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.az_prof said:
I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.
I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.
First off, as a tip... when you hear something, judge it on its own merits, and not whether you like the way that the guy who said it runs his dynasty team. The fact that you'd discount what I said because of a decision I made on what to do with the 30th roster slot in one of my five fantasy teams is a little silly, if you ask me.Since you asked, though, we have a waiver system. In order to make a waiver claim, I have to burn my waiver priority. I currently have the #2 waiver priority in the league- if I add Hall, that drops to #10. Why waste my waiver priority on a guy who I believe will be the next Mike Bell when I could hold it and hope for the next Anquan Boldin, Marques Colston, or Maurice Jones-Drew? If you don't trust your own projections, what's the point of playing?
Hall didn't look bad, by any stretch of the imagination. He looked very serviceable. The problem is that serviceable RBs don't hold much long-term value in Denver. Heck, they barely hold any short-term value. Maybe if I hadn't heard reports that Henry's very likely to win his appeal on a technicality, and I hadn't heard Shanahan specifically say that Henry would be good to go next week, I'd be more interested in Hall as he got an extended audition, but I think today was more than likely his one chance to shine, and I just don't think he shone bright enough to get another.I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. I think that one thing the Bears do well is tackle - at least, they have that capability (maybe not this year, but they can be good). Hall was taking some pretty strong shots today, and I'm not sure that many RB's would have broken off more tackles. OK, maybe a much larger back, but that isn't really Hall's game.I did see hall make a couple of nice cutbacks on at least one run and at least one catch - those probably were the big gainers. He does seem to have decent vision. Tatum Bell would have plowed onto the lineman vs hitting the cutback lane.So now I own Selvin Young in one of the many different leagues I participate in, and that totally disqualifies me from making educated decisions on him? It's not like I've been a Denver fan for about 20 years longer than I've been a Young owner or anything. I totally base all of my conclusions on Denver based entirely on who I own and not in the slightest bit on how Mike Shanahan has operated in the past.Hall is currently on the street in that exact same dynasty league. If I had wanted him, I could have him, but I chose not to add him. The reason that I'm not a Hall owner is because I don't think he's anything special, and that has NOTHING to do with me already owning Selvin Young, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he's #3 on the depth chart and Shanahan hasn't been pumping him up any. You might think that's my bias talking, but I could drop Selvin Young today and I'd still feel the exact same way about Hall.az_prof said:
I do agree with one thing, though- there is more to a running performance than YPC. Here's what I saw with Hall running the ball today- Andre Hall hitting big holes and going down on first contact. He took exactly what he was given, and nothing more. I apologize if I'm not ready to anoint him as the next Terrell Davis on the basis of one good but entirely uninspiring performance.
I'm in 5 fantasy leagues. If I'm too biased to comment on any players that I own, then I'm too biased to comment on pretty much anyone.
Hall may or may not be the next big thing - but he did nothing today to lead me to believe that he is a bum. At the very least, he's capable of filling the "DEN RB" role. If you want to come back with the "he's 3rd on the depth chart" - that's true. but, RB1 has chronic knee issues and a pending possible suspension. RB2 has a fairly significant injury history. Why not RB3?
How much buzz would Hall and/or Young have if they were in, say, Miami right now? Is this buzz purely because they are Broncos, or is there legit NFL caliber talent?
Both. Denver is still a crucial part of the equation because of A) the possibility that Henry gets the one year suspension and the long term job opens up and B) the ability of RB Coach Bobby Turner and Mike Shanahan to get the most out of overlooked backs. If they were in Miami (for instance), neither of those things would apply - and they'd be dealing with Ronnie Brown coming in 08.
Who was that DEN RB from 3 or 4 years ago who started the season as the starter and ripped it up for 2, maybe 3 games before getting hurt. Then we never heard from him again? Thats who Hall reminds me of.
Q. Griffin. He's better than Q.
Yeah, thats him. I don't remember buch about Q, but I casually watched last nights game and was not impressed with Hall. When I saw how many yards he ended up with I was shocked, it seemed like every time i saw him run it was for a 2 yarder. I mudt have missed a big play while flipping to college bball games because I never saw him gain more than 10 or so yards and that was on the option play for a TD.
Okay... I like what you say again and will value your opinion once more, since I can now understand your managing.
You were without realising it starting to sound like the posters that hate a guy so bad they say they wouldn't own him no matter what. You never struck me as that type before, in fact I assumed you might pick him up and trade him which is what I am doing... I really couldn't believe you would pass on him if it was free and no penalty whatsoever, I had to check though. At this point in my league there are 5 teams all tied up or within one game of each of other and eager to get a supposed upperhand for next week. I'll make him a throw in player on a trade I have been trying to get for a few weeks and be very happy.I was curious so I checked out LT's stats... He had good plays less often than Hall did, and Hall was playing the ENTIRE game with a sprain. You don't have to think that Hall is great, you don't even have to like him. But, don't bring in stats from a game played in the rain with a sprained ankle and act like he was subpar.(13:27) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 22 for 1 yard (95-J.Johnson).(13:00) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to SD 22 for no gain (95-J.Johnson).(7:00) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to SD 30 for 2 yards (52-R.Lewis).
55) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to BAL 31 for no gain (52-R.Lewis).(15:00) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 12 for 4 yards (57-B.Scott, 97-K.Gregg).(13:50) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 8 for -1 yards (55-T.Suggs, 92-H.Ngata).(9:22) 21-L.Tomlinson left end ran ob at SD 41 for -4 yards (57-B.Scott).(5:52) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to BAL 27 for 2 yards (35-C.Ivy).(3:10) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 32 for 3 yards (94-J.Bannan).(14:55) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 33 for 5 yards (55-T.Suggs).(14:21) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 37 for 4 yards (92-H.Ngata, 97-K.Gregg).(13:48) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to BAL 27 for 36 yards (20-E.Reed).(5:33) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 33 for 2 yards (92-H.Ngata).(14:52) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 13 for 1 yard (95-J.Johnson, 52-R.Lewis).(12:48) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 35 for 5 yards (93-D.Edwards, 52-R.Lewis).(12:11) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to BAL 31 for 4 yards (52-R.Lewis).(11:30) 17-P.Rivers up the middle to BAL 30 for 1 yard (94-J.Bannan).(10:46) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to BAL 28 for 2 yards (22-S.Rolle, 95-J.Johnson).(10:05) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to BAL 25 for 3 yards (95-J.Johnson).(7:07) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to BAL 37 for 2 yards (55-T.Suggs).(6:23) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to BAL 37 for no gain (57-B.Scott, 26-D.Landry).(5:40) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 32 for 5 yards (92-H.Ngata).(4:06) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 28 for no gain (95-J.Johnson). (4:06) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to BAL 38 for no gain (95-J.Johnson, 35-C.Ivy)(4:00) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 49 for -1 yards (55-T.Suggs).
Thanks, could you break down ADP's 66 yard game against Detroit for us.
You're being ridiculous. It's ludicrous to compare Hall to LT regardless of your weak comparison. LT has years of perfromance to analyze - while I posted Hall's only start. What else am I supposed to use for Hall? Apparently you only want to see the good plays - which pretty much makes your opinion worthless. Munch took the same dumb approach - trying to compare Hall whoe won his job due to an injury to a top draft pick that earned his starting gig. His opinion is worthelss also as neither of you want to be objective. I never threw out the conclusion that Hall wasn't good because of the numbers - I just posted the stats.So have it your way - Hall is the next LT or AP - Benm3218 & munchkin have spoken.I was curious so I checked out LT's stats... He had good plays less often than Hall did, and Hall was playing the ENTIRE game with a sprain. You don't have to think that Hall is great, you don't even have to like him. But, don't bring in stats from a game played in the rain with a sprained ankle and act like he was subpar.(13:27) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 22 for 1 yard (95-J.Johnson).(13:00) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to SD 22 for no gain (95-J.Johnson).(7:00) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to SD 30 for 2 yards (52-R.Lewis).
Quentin Griffin, but it wasnt injury that did him in ultimately. Griffin was a homerun hitter that had too many runs of zero or negative yardage. In the Denver system its paramount that you muscle out a positive gain on every play. Shanny just doesnt settle for the Barry Sanders school of nothing, nothing, 50 yard TD- its not their offense. I think Hall may have a problem in that light. There are 2 things that will get you benched in a hurry in a Shanahan offense- fumbles and negative plays. This offense is predicated on downhill running and setting up manageable third downs. That wears the defensive fronts down and the 3 yard gains in the first quarter become 12 yard games in the 3rd quarter. If you look at the play-by-plays of the great Denver RBs in their heydays, you wont see a ton of game breaking TDs, but a TON of 10 and 12 yard gains. Those are probably more devastating because they wear the defense down longer- its easy to mentally justify blowing one big play as opposed to constantly being run over for first down after first down. When it works its an extremely effective way to win football games. Total ball control.
You're being ridiculous. It's ludicrous to compare Hall to LT regardless of your weak comparison. LT has years of perfromance to analyze - while I posted Hall's only start. What else am I supposed to use for Hall? Apparently you only want to see the good plays - which pretty much makes your opinion worthless. Munch took the same dumb approach - trying to compare Hall whoe won his job due to an injury to a top draft pick that earned his starting gig. His opinion is worthelss also as neither of you want to be objective.I was curious so I checked out LT's stats... He had good plays less often than Hall did, and Hall was playing the ENTIRE game with a sprain. You don't have to think that Hall is great, you don't even have to like him. But, don't bring in stats from a game played in the rain with a sprained ankle and act like he was subpar.(13:27) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 22 for 1 yard (95-J.Johnson).
(13:00) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to SD 22 for no gain (95-J.Johnson).
(7:00) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to SD 30 for 2 yards (52-R.Lewis).
(15:00) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 12 for 4 yards (57-B.Scott, 97-K.Gregg).
(13:50) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 8 for -1 yards (55-T.Suggs, 92-H.Ngata).
(9:22) 21-L.Tomlinson left end ran ob at SD 41 for -4 yards (57-B.Scott).
(5:52) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to BAL 27 for 2 yards (35-C.Ivy).
(3:10) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 32 for 3 yards (94-J.Bannan).
(14:55) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 33 for 5 yards (55-T.Suggs).
(14:21) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 37 for 4 yards (92-H.Ngata, 97-K.Gregg).
(13:48) 21-L.Tomlinson left end to BAL 27 for 36 yards (20-E.Reed).
(5:33) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 33 for 2 yards (92-H.Ngata).
(14:52) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 13 for 1 yard (95-J.Johnson, 52-R.Lewis).
(12:48) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 35 for 5 yards (93-D.Edwards, 52-R.Lewis).
(12:11) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to BAL 31 for 4 yards (52-R.Lewis).
(11:30) 17-P.Rivers up the middle to BAL 30 for 1 yard (94-J.Bannan).
(10:46) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to BAL 28 for 2 yards (22-S.Rolle, 95-J.Johnson).
(10:05) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to BAL 25 for 3 yards (95-J.Johnson).
(7:07) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to BAL 37 for 2 yards (55-T.Suggs).
(6:23) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to BAL 37 for no gain (57-B.Scott, 26-D.Landry).
(5:40) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 32 for 5 yards (92-H.Ngata).
(4:06) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 28 for no gain (95-J.Johnson).
(4:06) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to BAL 38 for no gain (95-J.Johnson, 35-C.Ivy)
(4:00) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to BAL 49 for -1 yards (55-T.Suggs).
I never threw out the conclusion that Hall wasn't good because of the numbers - I just posted the stats.
So have it your way - Hall is the next LT or AP - Benm3218 & munchkin have spoken.
At least be forthright about what position you're taking.I am trading Hall this week and am in no way new to FFB. I think that its funny to make an argument that in a game where a guy hurts himself on the first play and then gets 160 yards of total offense and a TD, he is not that good. I just can't stand how rediculous this place has gotten. People who own a guy think he is made of gold, people who don't think he is Cedric Benson's second coming. NO objectivity. Your post using the plays of the game to indicate he wasn't that good, could have just been bad analysis on your part, but I took it for something different.Let's don't forget that on a team where the two normal starters are hurt pretty often this kid played thru pain that was so bad, Shanahan said he could barely walk on the sideline. To get what he did on a sprained ankle in the rain was pretty good in most any objective persons book.I am done with this topic. It is getting very rediculous around here. My two cents? TRADE him if you own him. You never know who will be the runner in Denver, and his value should be high over the next couple days as evidenced by all the Hall threads out there. Even if he is real good, he could be losing the job to Wali Lundy next week.*edit - to correct bad grammar in last sentence...
This board has gotten bad - and you're exhibiting part of the problem now - your opinion is the law while mine is flawed - but I'm posting this in vain as you are done with this thread.The irony in you posting regarding "no objectivity."
Good assessment on Hall.If the bolded part comes to fruition, we can look forward to the Denver backfield hierarchy being clear as mud for next year.
Ok, if that's the case then Terrell Davis would have run for 300+... nice hypothetical blanket statement that has zero relevance to the topic.I thought Andre hall looked solid. Yes he did "take what was given to him and nothing more" including busting a 60+ yard play for the 2nd consecutive week. The bottom line is that hall produced over 160 yards of offense when his teams top two running backs were out injured. Unfortunately, Cutler sucked and Hester didn't. The problem here is that both Young and Hall have proven they can perform in this offense at a high level, so it will be difficult to determine with much certainty who is going to get the valuable carries from now on.JohnnyU said:Young would have ran for 200+ todayfsufan said:does your league give negative points if an RB averages less than 4 yard per carrysnarfsnarf said:
I really appreciate this analysis. So, what I hear you saying is that both Young and Hall are worth owning and keeping in dynasty and that both could have a chance to be a starting RB. They have different talents but both are good.I do agree with some other poster above that we probably need more game time to analyze both these players as neither has had that many touches.Sigmund Bloom said:
