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**Official Greg Jennings Thread** (1 Viewer)

Pictus Cat said:
H.K. said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
:thumbup: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss.

If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Randy Moss? Post #21 of this thread

So far this year Jennings has 46 lucky catches 812 lucky yards and 11 lucky touchdowns. :rolleyes:

Targets: 74. Again, if he is so good, why don't they throw to him more?
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IMHO, Farve is spreading the ball, moving the chains, setting up the big play, and...winning with that. If Driver is so good, why don't they throw to him more?

Useless sidenote: A guy in my 3 keeper kept Jennings and dropped him midseason. Someone picked him up while I was figuring out who to drop. Lol
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Hey Pictus,Hope life is treating you well! Interesting year in WSL3 so far...

As far as Driver is concerned, that is a part of my whole point: 107 targets 73 recepts 936 yards, but only 2 scores.

If Jennings is so good, why is Driver the primary and Jones almost getting as many targets? If Jennings were so good with the ball in his hands, why do the Packers not give him more opportunity to make plays? I know Jennings missed two weeks so the YTD targets are not 100% peer to peer, but if Jennings were truly an elite talent, they would go to him more. In large part, Jennings has benefited from circumstance so far this year, and it sure feels like a lot of people are going to drastically overvalue him next season (as well as have false expectations for him the rest of the year).

 
H.K. said:
FavreCo said:
H.K. said:
:thumbup: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss.

If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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How many lucky 50+ yard TD's is that for Jennings this year? 4. Does anyone honestly think that he'll replicate those numbers next year?
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Not counting on it but if he does, it will be on my team with Favre slinging it again. In order to get those types of TD's you have to spread out the defense and have great RAC receivers. Jennings is that. He just missed a short TD earlier in the game under tight coverage inside the 10. Favre tried to stuff it in there so he gets the TD looks. Favre trusts him.
 
FavreCo said:
H.K. said:
FavreCo said:
H.K. said:
:thumbup: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss.

If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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How many lucky 50+ yard TD's is that for Jennings this year? 4. Does anyone honestly think that he'll replicate those numbers next year?
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Not counting on it but if he does, it will be on my team with Favre slinging it again. In order to get those types of TD's you have to spread out the defense and have great RAC receivers. Jennings is that. He just missed a short TD earlier in the game under tight coverage inside the 10. Favre tried to stuff it in there so he gets the TD looks. Favre trusts him.
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If he beats bad DB's like Champ Bailey :excited: again why not?
 
H.K. said:
Pictus Cat said:
H.K. said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
:thumbup: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss.

If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Randy Moss? Post #21 of this thread

So far this year Jennings has 46 lucky catches 812 lucky yards and 11 lucky touchdowns. :shrug:

Targets: 74. Again, if he is so good, why don't they throw to him more?
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IMHO, Farve is spreading the ball, moving the chains, setting up the big play, and...winning with that. If Driver is so good, why don't they throw to him more?

Useless sidenote: A guy in my 3 keeper kept Jennings and dropped him midseason. Someone picked him up while I was figuring out who to drop. Lol
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Hey Pictus,Hope life is treating you well! Interesting year in WSL3 so far...

As far as Driver is concerned, that is a part of my whole point: 107 targets 73 recepts 936 yards, but only 2 scores.

If Jennings is so good, why is Driver the primary and Jones almost getting as many targets? If Jennings were so good with the ball in his hands, why do the Packers not give him more opportunity to make plays? I know Jennings missed two weeks so the YTD targets are not 100% peer to peer, but if Jennings were truly an elite talent, they would go to him more. In large part, Jennings has benefited from circumstance so far this year, and it sure feels like a lot of people are going to drastically overvalue him next season (as well as have false expectations for him the rest of the year).
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There could be a lot of variables for the targets:Game plan - Spread it around to keep focus off one receiver, which translates to more effective plays and healthier recievers, and they are winning with the game plan, except that game with the Bears (Couldn't resist)

Reads - Defensive coverage at the time.

Health - He missed two games. He does not seem like the type of player that is going to take a lot of big hits. He is possibly healthier and more effective with this many targets. If you're winning this way, why increase them. From a defensive back stand point, if you know who the main WR is, and you always keep track of him when he is on the field, you will have better focus and a little more pop when the opportunity to deliver a blow presents itself.

I'm repeating myself because it all seems connected, winning game plan against what the defense gives you. This might answer the why.

The production from those targets is another thing. I know fantasy football is all about delivering the stats. Sometimes the stats don't tell the whole story. This Jennings thread seems to focus on he won't sustain these #s vs a potential for a large increase. As Da Coach would say, maybe "He is what he is." This would lead me to believe he should repeat these numbers next year with the same # of targets in this game plan with close to the same production. I don't seem him straying far from where he is next year. Slight increase in targets could increase his stats a little and the high production you've outlined could be difficult to sustain, but I don't predict a big drop off because of the system and his talent. I just think that is where he fits in the current system.

Things have been well for me. 4 Survivors, 2 top 3 so far*. 6 leagues, 4 1sts & high TP (without Brady.) A good year. Real life good too.

Happy Holidays and Best Wishes. -Pictus Cat

* with Brady

 
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If they didn't have anyone else good to throw the ball to, they probably would target Jennings more, and he'd have the catches Driver did a couple years ago when he was the only option. Now Driver is the possession receiver (doesn't hurt that he can still RAC) instead of the everything receiver, and it doesn't surprise me that he still gets more looks.

If Jennings is so good, why don't they throw more 80-yard TDs to him? I dunno, maybe they're okay with winning by 30 points.

 
I'll take his lucky stats from a late rounder in redrafts every time. Guy is a TD scoring machine. Even if he doesn't score anymore, he will still surpass what almost all of us envisioned him doing this year. I thought he was in for a good year, but this is much better than that. HK, you can say that he won't replicate his numbers, thats one thing, but to say that he isn't that good or barely a number 2 on his own team is shortsighted, and I think you realize that. I believe some of your argument has merit, but please don't say that everything he does is lucky.

 
FavreCo said:
You can fall down and curl up in the fetal position like 2006-2007 Marvin Harrison....or you can take it to the house like Greg Jennings does. Out with the old, in with the new.
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The 2006 version of Marvin Harrison "fetal positioned" his way to the #1 receiver in my league last year.
 
dickey moe said:
Interesting discussion. Where would some of you guys rank Jennings for dynasty purposes?
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I'm not playing forever.....JUST ANOTHER 5 YEARS!!!! :goodposting: Bumped down because Rogers is frail and he is not Favre. He got the ball to Jennings while in there vs Dallas but he can't even make it thru a practice without being listed as out.
 
MCguidance said:
I'll take his lucky stats from a late rounder in redrafts every time. Guy is a TD scoring machine. Even if he doesn't score anymore, he will still surpass what almost all of us envisioned him doing this year. I thought he was in for a good year, but this is much better than that. HK, you can say that he won't replicate his numbers, thats one thing, but to say that he isn't that good or barely a number 2 on his own team is shortsighted, and I think you realize that. I believe some of your argument has merit, but please don't say that everything he does is lucky.
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Last year in the first 4 games he projected out to 1200 yards and 10 TD's. This year projected out games played 1180 and 11 TD's. Keep it up HK. Who else is going to be a lucky 1200 yard 10 TD performer next year? I need another 12 round stud.
 
bcr8f said:
MCguidance said:
I'll take his lucky stats from a late rounder in redrafts every time. Guy is a TD scoring machine. Even if he doesn't score anymore, he will still surpass what almost all of us envisioned him doing this year. I thought he was in for a good year, but this is much better than that. HK, you can say that he won't replicate his numbers, thats one thing, but to say that he isn't that good or barely a number 2 on his own team is shortsighted, and I think you realize that. I believe some of your argument has merit, but please don't say that everything he does is lucky.
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Last year in the first 4 games he projected out to 1200 yards and 10 TD's. This year projected out games played 1180 and 11 TD's. Keep it up HK. Who else is going to be a lucky 1200 yard 10 TD performer next year? I need another 12 round stud.
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He's definitely the best WMU Bronco in the league.Fire Up Broncos!
 
MCguidance said:
HK, you can say that he won't replicate his numbers, thats one thing, but to say that he isn't that good or barely a number 2 on his own team is shortsighted, and I think you realize that. I believe some of your argument has merit, but please don't say that everything he does is lucky.
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I said his 80 yard TD catch vs. OAK was lucky, not his season. He was one horribly misplayed ball by a defender from having a one catch for 20 yard day. His season has been a fluke, and based on his limited number of targets, it will not be replicated next year. Not even close.People in this thread have compared him to Randy Moss, Plaxico, B.Edwards and Andre Johnson...all guys who are physical studs and unquestioned #1 WR's. Jennings is barely the #2 on his own team. It's ridiculous.
 
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Top 10 WR's the last 6 weeks.

1. 2. Owens, Terrell DAL WR 165.4 33.4 30.5 49.3 18.5 28.6 5.1

2. 9. Moss, Randy NEP WR 131.5 29.5 B 46.8 9.3 13.4 32.5

3. 12. Colston, Marques NOS WR 126 25.9 20.9 20.8 22.3 5.9 30.2

4. 15. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 120.7 13.5 27.4 23.3 36.6 19.9

5. 19. Marshall, Brandon DEN WR 117.2 18.6 14.5 17.2 19.7 12.7 34.5

6. 21. Jennings, Greg GBP WR 112.3 23.5 10.3 17.8 23.0 19.7 18.0

7. 22. Wayne, Reggie IND WR 112.3 11.2 30.0 11.5 17.6 29.8 12.2

8. 24. Engram, Bobby SEA WR 106.1 33.9 9.3 16.4 14.0 17.0 15.5

9. 32. Johnson, Chad CIN WR 99.1 7.9 11.3 16.6 40.3 15.0 8.0

10. 37. White, Roddy ATL WR 96.5 8.5 11.7 6.8 22.4 30.6 16.5

Pay no attention to HK. He said the same about Driver the last few years even when he finished top 5 in yards last year and 8th in TD's last year. No one Green Bay has is ever any good.

No one compared Jennings to Randy Moss. Moss's name was mentioned in passing but HK twists what people say to make his hateful points.

 
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H.K. said:
MCguidance said:
HK, you can say that he won't replicate his numbers, thats one thing, but to say that he isn't that good or barely a number 2 on his own team is shortsighted, and I think you realize that. I believe some of your argument has merit, but please don't say that everything he does is lucky.
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I said his 80 yard TD catch vs. OAK was lucky, not his season. He was one horribly misplayed ball by a defender from having a one catch for 20 yard day. His season has been a fluke, and based on his limited number of targets, it will not be replicated next year. Not even close.People in this thread have compared him to Randy Moss, Plaxico, B.Edwards and Andre Johnson...all guys who are physical studs and unquestioned #1 WR's. Jennings is barely the #2 on his own team. It's ridiculous.
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BRUTAL. FYI, Favre will be playing next year so you can pretty much bet that Jennings will produce again. Will he have 5+ TD's of 40 yards or more? Doubtful. Will he have 2 80+ yard TD's? Very doubtful...in fact just about impossible. Will he be a solid starter on a fantasy team? All day long. He's my #3 behind E-15 and Andre. What he does when Favre is gone is another thing all together.
 
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Top 10 WR's the last 6 weeks.

1. 2. Owens, Terrell DAL WR 165.4 33.4 30.5 49.3 18.5 28.6 5.1

2. 9. Moss, Randy NEP WR 131.5 29.5 B 46.8 9.3 13.4 32.5

3. 12. Colston, Marques NOS WR 126 25.9 20.9 20.8 22.3 5.9 30.2

4. 15. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 120.7 13.5 27.4 23.3 36.6 19.9

5. 19. Marshall, Brandon DEN WR 117.2 18.6 14.5 17.2 19.7 12.7 34.5

6. 21. Jennings, Greg GBP WR 112.3 23.5 10.3 17.8 23.0 19.7 18.0

7. 22. Wayne, Reggie IND WR 112.3 11.2 30.0 11.5 17.6 29.8 12.2

8. 24. Engram, Bobby SEA WR 106.1 33.9 9.3 16.4 14.0 17.0 15.5

9. 32. Johnson, Chad CIN WR 99.1 7.9 11.3 16.6 40.3 15.0 8.0

10. 37. White, Roddy ATL WR 96.5 8.5 11.7 6.8 22.4 30.6 16.5

Pay no attention to HK. He said the same about Driver the last few years even when he finished top 5 in yards last year and 8th in TD's last year. No one Green Bay has is ever any good.

No one compared Jennings to Randy Moss. Moss's name was mentioned in passing but HK twists what people say to make his hateful points.
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I own these three WR's and Anthony Gonzalez of the Colts. Rode them to 1st place in my division after starting the season 0-3. Nothing to add to the Jennings discussion. Just celebrating that I am in the playoffs in a very competitive league. :lmao: Carry on.
 
FavreCo said:
Will he have 5+ TD's of 40 yards or more? Doubtful. Will he have 2 80+ yard TD's? Very doubtful...in fact just about impossible.
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:D I am not a fan of the Packers or any team, which enables me to look at a situation without bias and make honest assessments, so I appreciate you eliminating the blind homerism from the discussion.Ironically (contrary to bcr8f's posts), I'd actually prefer to see the Packers win the SB more than any other team this year because I am one of Favre's most ardent supporters in GOAT discussions. Still nobody has answered the question: If Jennings is so good, why don't they throw it to him more?Did any Patriot WR get as many targets last year as Randy Moss has this season?Why don't the Eagles throw it to Brown or Curtis as much as they targeted Owens?Why is that?
 
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Still nobody has answered the question: If Jennings is so good, why don't they throw it to him more?

Did any Patriot WR get as many targets last year as Randy Moss has this season?

Why don't the Eagles throw it to Brown or Curtis as much as they targeted Owens?

Why is that?
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I don't have the answer. As a Favre/Jennings owner, I wonder about why he doesn't get more targets. I'll take it but yeah, the '2 targets' weeks are concerning. But make no mistake. He is good.Of the high powered offenses:

Packers top 3: 250 targets: Driver 108, Jennings 73, Jones 70

NE top 2: Moss 126, Welker 121

Saints top 3: 117, 99, 62 Colston, Bush, Patten

Indy: 117, 86 Wayne, Clark

Seattle: 108, 77,65 Engram - Yeah Engram, Burleson, Branch

Cincinnati: 145, 130 Whosyourdaddy, Johnson

Arizona: 131, 71 Fitz, Boldin

DAL: 119, 112, 63 Owens, Witten, Crayton

Let's remember who lines up 4-5 wide consistently? 9 players have 20 or more catches. He is not going to get as many targets as the CIN and ARI guys as they are 2 wide and 3 wide. But he does have 73 targets in a 3-5 wide and has missed 2 games. Maybe it's the fact that when he gets his chance it's because that read by Favre says 'we can get a TD here'.

If he was my #1 WR, it may be a concern. With AJ and E-15 as my other 2 WRs, I got no problem with Mr. Double points as my #3.

 
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:goodposting: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss. If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Um, because Favre has 6 other quality targets to throw to and he doesn't care how Jennings 'targets' look for your fantasy analysis?Just a guess.
 
H.K. said:
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HK, you can say that he won't replicate his numbers, thats one thing, but to say that he isn't that good or barely a number 2 on his own team is shortsighted, and I think you realize that. I believe some of your argument has merit, but please don't say that everything he does is lucky.
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I said his 80 yard TD catch vs. OAK was lucky, not his season. He was one horribly misplayed ball by a defender from having a one catch for 20 yard day. His season has been a fluke, and based on his limited number of targets, it will not be replicated next year. Not even close.People in this thread have compared him to Randy Moss, Plaxico, B.Edwards and Andre Johnson...all guys who are physical studs and unquestioned #1 WR's. Jennings is barely the #2 on his own team. It's ridiculous.
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I do agree with your assesment that he is NOT on the level of those aforementioned players, but he is unquestionably the number two on his team. In fact, it could be argued that he is 1A since he is in a totally different role than Driver. I do not think he is as polished as Driver, but again, it could be argued he is every bit as physically gifted. Also, in that GB offense, his assets are best used (it seems) in stretching the defense. He is also a greater "big play threat" than DD, and certainly above Jones, Robinson, and Martin in most, if not all, capacities. So come on man, drop the "he is barely the number two on his team" bit, you're otherwise strong arguement is ruined by that statement.
 
I have Jennings in one league. I still think I am living on borrowed time with him. I am not complaining at all, but it does seem he has got all the lucky breaks this season. I keep thinking it is not going to happen again. Then it does.

 
I actually think HK's perspective is very useful in breaking down the analysis of Jennings. I don't agree with his conclusion that Jennings' year is a fluke, but I understand the perspective. Let's face it, Jennings has little history to assess other than this year and a partial season last year. People who are uncomfortable with such a small sample size will not buy that Jennings as "arrived." Others, like myself, give weight to Jennings skills as demonstrated on the field such as his faster "game speed" and ability to make YAC.

HK's focus is on Jennings targets for the year. They are no doubt lower than Driver, even if you take into account the two games that Jennings missed. If you look more closely, you will see that Driver had 24 of of his 107 total targets (22.5%) come in just those two games. In other words, for the twelve games that both Driver and Jennings played this year, Driver has 83 targets to 73 for Jennings. Those numbers are much closer and show the gap between the two is much smaller than suggested.

Also, if you look at the red zone targets, the numbers indicate that Jennings is emerging as the primary RZ target among GB's receivers.

Driver has 14 targets in the redzone in 14 games. An average of 1 per game.

Jennings has 11 targets in the redzone in 12 games. An average of .92 per game.

Four of Driver's redzone targets came in the first two weeks that Jennings didn't play. If you only look at the games in which both Driver and Jennings played this year, Driver has 10 redzone targets to Jennings 11 in those twelve games. In the past six weeks, Jennings has 8 redzone targets to Driver's 4 (and Jones' 2). It is a small sample size, but suggests that Favre and GB has figured out that Jennings is the team's top redzone threat. That would be the most likely reason for Jennings keeping up his TD totals, not the fact that he gets flukey long TDs (which he does seem to get).

 
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Aaronstory said:
H.K. said:
:wall: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss. If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Um, because Favre has 6 other quality targets to throw to and he doesn't care how Jennings 'targets' look for your fantasy analysis?Just a guess.
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:goodposting: There it is. Jennings is not a special player where the Packers are going to make it a point to throw him the ball. He has the best QB in the history of the league throwing to him, so that is the reason for his numbers. Expecting this run to continue in the coming weeks or into next year is going against the odds. He simply does not get enough targets to support his current production, and his current rate of production per target is unsustainable. Nobody thought LT would have 31 TD's again this season, and he hasn't. Jennings is having a similar once in a blue moon season. There is no upside with Jennings, only downside.
 
H.K. said:
Aaronstory said:
H.K. said:
:rolleyes: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss. If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Um, because Favre has 6 other quality targets to throw to and he doesn't care how Jennings 'targets' look for your fantasy analysis?Just a guess.
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:goodposting: There it is. Jennings is not a special player where the Packers are going to make it a point to throw him the ball. He has the best QB in the history of the league throwing to him, so that is the reason for his numbers. Expecting this run to continue in the coming weeks or into next year is going against the odds. He simply does not get enough targets to support his current production, and his current rate of production per target is unsustainable. Nobody thought LT would have 31 TD's again this season, and he hasn't. Jennings is having a similar once in a blue moon season. There is no upside with Jennings, only downside.
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I don't disagree with any of this. Is his production going to fall? It basically has to. But do you really think that he is barely the number two on his team because his targets are near those of James Jones? How about the quality of the targets? Does that mean anything? I would suspect that no one here really believes he is barely the number two on GB?
 
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There it is. Jennings is not a special player where the Packers are going to make it a point to throw him the ball. He has the best QB in the history of the league throwing to him, so that is the reason for his numbers. Expecting this run to continue in the coming weeks or into next year is going against the odds. He simply does not get enough targets to support his current production, and his current rate of production per target is unsustainable.

Nobody thought LT would have 31 TD's again this season, and he hasn't. Jennings is having a similar once in a blue moon season. There is no upside with Jennings, only downside.
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I will agree with that and was considering trading him once Favre is done...in 2015 :goodposting: . However, Rodgers fed Jennings the ball when he was in there.
 
MCguidance said:
H.K. said:
Aaronstory said:
H.K. said:
:rolleyes: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss. If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Um, because Favre has 6 other quality targets to throw to and he doesn't care how Jennings 'targets' look for your fantasy analysis?Just a guess.
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:bag: There it is. Jennings is not a special player where the Packers are going to make it a point to throw him the ball. He has the best QB in the history of the league throwing to him, so that is the reason for his numbers. Expecting this run to continue in the coming weeks or into next year is going against the odds. He simply does not get enough targets to support his current production, and his current rate of production per target is unsustainable. Nobody thought LT would have 31 TD's again this season, and he hasn't. Jennings is having a similar once in a blue moon season. There is no upside with Jennings, only downside.
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I don't disagree with any of this. Is his production going to fall? It basically has to. But do you really think that he is barely the number two on his team because his targets are near those of James Jones? How about the quality of the targets? Does that mean anything? I would suspect that no one here really believes he is barely the number two on GB?
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I debunk HK's analysis above. Recap: during the twelve games Driver and Jennings both played this year, Driver only averages one more target per game than Jennings and Jennings has gotten more redzone targets than any other receiver on GB.
 
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H.K. said:
Aaronstory said:
H.K. said:
:lmao: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss. If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Um, because Favre has 6 other quality targets to throw to and he doesn't care how Jennings 'targets' look for your fantasy analysis?Just a guess.
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:rolleyes: There it is. Jennings is not a special player where the Packers are going to make it a point to throw him the ball. He has the best QB in the history of the league throwing to him, so that is the reason for his numbers. Expecting this run to continue in the coming weeks or into next year is going against the odds. He simply does not get enough targets to support his current production, and his current rate of production per target is unsustainable. Nobody thought LT would have 31 TD's again this season, and he hasn't. Jennings is having a similar once in a blue moon season. There is no upside with Jennings, only downside.
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Why do you think his targets will stay so low? He is a talented, young WR in only his 2nd season. Not many WR's become go to guys early in their career. Calvin Johnson only has 67 tagets through 12 games. Braylon Edwards averaged similar targets per game last year, in his 2nd year. Is CJ not a special player, is Edwards not a special player? The list goes on and on of todays top WR's who were not thrown at 10-12 times a game early in their career. Fact is Jennings is being targeted as much as most WR's at this stage of their career, but he is doing more with it than most others have done.
 
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Intitially, I knee-jerk reacted to HK's posting and took it as a knock on Jennings. And while I'll disagree with him on Jennings' talent level (I think he's very talented), I do agree that his target numbers are concerning. I do think fantasy folks will overrate Jennings heading into next year.

 
H.K. said:
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HK, you can say that he won't replicate his numbers, thats one thing, but to say that he isn't that good or barely a number 2 on his own team is shortsighted, and I think you realize that. I believe some of your argument has merit, but please don't say that everything he does is lucky.
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I said his 80 yard TD catch vs. OAK was lucky, not his season. He was one horribly misplayed ball by a defender from having a one catch for 20 yard day. His season has been a fluke, and based on his limited number of targets, it will not be replicated next year. Not even close.People in this thread have compared him to Randy Moss, Plaxico, B.Edwards and Andre Johnson...all guys who are physical studs and unquestioned #1 WR's. Jennings is barely the #2 on his own team. It's ridiculous.
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Barely the #2?You really have not watched the Packers have you.The guy is their deep threat...and gets a ton of looks in the redzone.Ridiculous is you insisting his season is a fluke.
 
H.K. said:
Aaronstory said:
H.K. said:
:confused: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss. If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Um, because Favre has 6 other quality targets to throw to and he doesn't care how Jennings 'targets' look for your fantasy analysis?Just a guess.
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:thumbup: There it is. Jennings is not a special player where the Packers are going to make it a point to throw him the ball. He has the best QB in the history of the league throwing to him, so that is the reason for his numbers. Expecting this run to continue in the coming weeks or into next year is going against the odds. He simply does not get enough targets to support his current production, and his current rate of production per target is unsustainable. Nobody thought LT would have 31 TD's again this season, and he hasn't. Jennings is having a similar once in a blue moon season. There is no upside with Jennings, only downside.
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Actually, Jennings is a special player...and the coaches and Favre have said as much.And they are getting him the ball...quite often especially in the redzone.Yes, I will expect the run of him getting deep balls and redzone looks in the coming weeks...as I have the past several weeks.Once in a blue moon season?The guy is having a great 2nd year in the league...non upside with him?After 2 years in the league the guy has no upside?You are a freakin joke.
 
Man in the yellow hat said:
Intitially, I knee-jerk reacted to HK's posting and took it as a knock on Jennings. And while I'll disagree with him on Jennings' talent level (I think he's very talented), I do agree that his target numbers are concerning. I do think fantasy folks will overrate Jennings heading into next year.
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Now that I agree with.and Driver will most likely be undervalued next year.

 
bumpman said:
MCguidance said:
H.K. said:
Aaronstory said:
H.K. said:
:confused: One lucky catch where the DB falls on his butt and you guys act like he's better than Randy Moss. If Jennings is so good, why doesn't he get more targets? Seriously, someone answer that question for me.
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Um, because Favre has 6 other quality targets to throw to and he doesn't care how Jennings 'targets' look for your fantasy analysis?Just a guess.
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:goodposting: There it is. Jennings is not a special player where the Packers are going to make it a point to throw him the ball. He has the best QB in the history of the league throwing to him, so that is the reason for his numbers. Expecting this run to continue in the coming weeks or into next year is going against the odds. He simply does not get enough targets to support his current production, and his current rate of production per target is unsustainable. Nobody thought LT would have 31 TD's again this season, and he hasn't. Jennings is having a similar once in a blue moon season. There is no upside with Jennings, only downside.
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I don't disagree with any of this. Is his production going to fall? It basically has to. But do you really think that he is barely the number two on his team because his targets are near those of James Jones? How about the quality of the targets? Does that mean anything? I would suspect that no one here really believes he is barely the number two on GB?
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I debunk HK's analysis above. Recap: during the twelve games Driver and Jennings both played this year, Driver only averages one more target per game than Jennings and Jennings has gotten more redzone targets than any other receiver on GB.
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i agree that it important to look at the context when dissing a player for being a #2 WR...when all their WRs are healthy, who is the #1 WR & #2 WR for IND, CIN & ARI... & does the distinction even matter?* BTW, who does jennings remind the board of as a comp player interms of physical attributes & skill set... since they were both punt returners and have outstanding feet & short area quicks & RAC skills, are also compact & deceptively strong for their size, as well as being expert route runners, jennings reminds me a little of a bigger, faster & more explosive derek mason (with better hops for good measure)...for the record, one source listed mason as 5'10" 192 & jennings at 5'11" 197", so at least in stature, the comparison may not be too far off the mark...also, mason went to michigan st. & jennings went to western michigan...
 
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Throwing to Jennings more wouldn't make the team better. The offense GB is running succeeds in part because they don't have to force the ball to one player, and they shouldn't. If Jennings had a lot more targets he probably wouldn't have so many long TDs.

 
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3C said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
I am not a fan of the Packers or any team, which enables me to look at a situation without bias and make honest assessments,
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honest <> correct/logical
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100% correct & logical.12 TD's on 50 catches is not a ratio that will continue.

How many targets did he get this week?

The guy's numbers are circumstantial. He had another BS TD this week....pure luck. Anyone playing a Week 16 game can expect goose egg from him because his TD well has dried up and he is a non-factor in the Packers offense. Favre had completed passes to 7 or 8 other people before even looking Jenning's way this week, yet people think he is GB's primary WR or 1A to Driver. Ridiculous.

 
Keep fighting the good fight HK. It's quite entertaining. One of these weeks you might even be right.

 
H.K. said:
3C said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
I am not a fan of the Packers or any team, which enables me to look at a situation without bias and make honest assessments,
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honest <> correct/logical
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100% correct & logical.12 TD's on 50 catches is not a ratio that will continue.

How many targets did he get this week?

The guy's numbers are circumstantial. He had another BS TD this week....pure luck. Anyone playing a Week 16 game can expect goose egg from him because his TD well has dried up and he is a non-factor in the Packers offense. Favre had completed passes to 7 or 8 other people before even looking Jenning's way this week, yet people think he is GB's primary WR or 1A to Driver. Ridiculous.
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:angry:
 
H.K. said:
3C said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
I am not a fan of the Packers or any team, which enables me to look at a situation without bias and make honest assessments,
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honest <> correct/logical
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100% correct & logical.12 TD's on 50 catches is not a ratio that will continue.

How many targets did he get this week?

The guy's numbers are circumstantial. He had another BS TD this week....pure luck. Anyone playing a Week 16 game can expect goose egg from him because his TD well has dried up and he is a non-factor in the Packers offense. Favre had completed passes to 7 or 8 other people before even looking Jenning's way this week, yet people think he is GB's primary WR or 1A to Driver. Ridiculous.
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Methinks HK has Jennings and is trying reverse psychology...or is just in denial.He had 4 receptions...and was targeted at least 2 more times (the deep balls that were picked off)

 
H.K. said:
3C said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
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honest <> correct/logical
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100% correct & logical.12 TD's on 50 catches is not a ratio that will continue.

How many targets did he get this week?

The guy's numbers are circumstantial. He had another BS TD this week....pure luck. Anyone playing a Week 16 game can expect goose egg from him because his TD well has dried up and he is a non-factor in the Packers offense. Favre had completed passes to 7 or 8 other people before even looking Jenning's way this week, yet people think he is GB's primary WR or 1A to Driver. Ridiculous.
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Did you not see the other 2 pass attempts for TD's? Both the INT's. When he wants a home run, it's Jennings. Is he a FFL #1, nope? But as my #3, he is a bonafide back breaker.6 targets caught 4, the other 2 were INT's and if he caught them they were TD's. There is no primary WR in GB. There is an X, Y, Z and more.

 
FavreCo said:
H.K. said:
3C said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
I am not a fan of the Packers or any team, which enables me to look at a situation without bias and make honest assessments,
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:own3d:
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honest <> correct/logical
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100% correct & logical.12 TD's on 50 catches is not a ratio that will continue.

How many targets did he get this week?

The guy's numbers are circumstantial. He had another BS TD this week....pure luck. Anyone playing a Week 16 game can expect goose egg from him because his TD well has dried up and he is a non-factor in the Packers offense. Favre had completed passes to 7 or 8 other people before even looking Jenning's way this week, yet people think he is GB's primary WR or 1A to Driver. Ridiculous.
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Did you not see the other 2 pass attempts for TD's? Both the INT's. When he wants a home run, it's Jennings. Is he a FFL #1, nope? But as my #3, he is a bonafide back breaker.6 targets caught 4, the other 2 were INT's and if he caught them they were TD's. There is no primary WR in GB. There is an X, Y, Z and more.
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Exactly my point. 6 targets. If he were getting 10-15 a week, he'd be a bona fide stud. Right now, he's just been lucky and he's gonna kill everyone next week because he does not get enough looks to sustain his productivity. Take away his TDs (which is the most difficult thing to project and rely on in FF) and Jennings is completely middle of the road. The guy is a fluke and his flukish little run will end next week. It's simply impossible for him to sustain his performance with so few opportunities. I can't believe how nobody else sees that.
 
H.K. said:
FavreCo said:
H.K. said:
3C said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
I am not a fan of the Packers or any team, which enables me to look at a situation without bias and make honest assessments,
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honest <> correct/logical
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100% correct & logical.12 TD's on 50 catches is not a ratio that will continue.

How many targets did he get this week?

The guy's numbers are circumstantial. He had another BS TD this week....pure luck. Anyone playing a Week 16 game can expect goose egg from him because his TD well has dried up and he is a non-factor in the Packers offense. Favre had completed passes to 7 or 8 other people before even looking Jenning's way this week, yet people think he is GB's primary WR or 1A to Driver. Ridiculous.
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Did you not see the other 2 pass attempts for TD's? Both the INT's. When he wants a home run, it's Jennings. Is he a FFL #1, nope? But as my #3, he is a bonafide back breaker.6 targets caught 4, the other 2 were INT's and if he caught them they were TD's. There is no primary WR in GB. There is an X, Y, Z and more.
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Exactly my point. 6 targets. If he were getting 10-15 a week, he'd be a bona fide stud. Right now, he's just been lucky and he's gonna kill everyone next week because he does not get enough looks to sustain his productivity. Take away his TDs (which is the most difficult thing to project and rely on in FF) and Jennings is completely middle of the road. The guy is a fluke and his flukish little run will end next week. It's simply impossible for him to sustain his performance with so few opportunities. I can't believe how nobody else sees that.
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Your logic is sound but your conclusion is incorrect.Improbable, not impossible, is the word that you are looking for.

 
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Your logic is sound but your conclusion is incorrect.Improbable, not impossible, is the word that you are looking for.
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Semantics. His TD/catch ratio won't be sustained and the only reason he has value is his TD's.
 
H.K. said:
Avery said:
Your logic is sound but your conclusion is incorrect.

Improbable, not impossible, is the word that you are looking for.
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Semantics. His TD/catch ratio won't be sustained and the only reason he has value is his TD's.
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It's not semantics.There is only a week (or two depending on your league) left in the season and it is possible (although perhaps improbable but not impossible at all) he can score on limited opportunities again next week.

It's fruitless to discuss next year at this point for the faces change in the off-season and so might the opportunities.

 
H.K. said:
FavreCo said:
H.K. said:
3C said:
bcr8f said:
H.K. said:
I am not a fan of the Packers or any team, which enables me to look at a situation without bias and make honest assessments,
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:lmao:
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honest <> correct/logical
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100% correct & logical.12 TD's on 50 catches is not a ratio that will continue.

How many targets did he get this week?

The guy's numbers are circumstantial. He had another BS TD this week....pure luck. Anyone playing a Week 16 game can expect goose egg from him because his TD well has dried up and he is a non-factor in the Packers offense. Favre had completed passes to 7 or 8 other people before even looking Jenning's way this week, yet people think he is GB's primary WR or 1A to Driver. Ridiculous.
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Did you not see the other 2 pass attempts for TD's? Both the INT's. When he wants a home run, it's Jennings. Is he a FFL #1, nope? But as my #3, he is a bonafide back breaker.6 targets caught 4, the other 2 were INT's and if he caught them they were TD's. There is no primary WR in GB. There is an X, Y, Z and more.
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Exactly my point. 6 targets. If he were getting 10-15 a week, he'd be a bona fide stud. Right now, he's just been lucky and he's gonna kill everyone next week because he does not get enough looks to sustain his productivity. Take away his TDs (which is the most difficult thing to project and rely on in FF) and Jennings is completely middle of the road. The guy is a fluke and his flukish little run will end next week. It's simply impossible for him to sustain his performance with so few opportunities. I can't believe how nobody else sees that.
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You can keep calling him lucky...it will not make it true.No fluke...product of a great system, with a great QB, and he is a great talent.

Nobody else sees things that just are not there...like you. :rolleyes:

 
H.K. said:
Avery said:
Your logic is sound but your conclusion is incorrect.Improbable, not impossible, is the word that you are looking for.
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Semantics. His TD/catch ratio won't be sustained and the only reason he has value is his TD's.
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He is 22nd in receiving yards for WRs....and missed the first 2 games with an injury.He is 12th for WRs in yards per game.I think the TDs give him more value for sure...but its not the only reason he has value.
 
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