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Marvin: Bengals Ain't Tradin' Chad (1 Viewer)

QuizGuy66

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Haven't seen this posted elsewhere, hopefully not a Honda.

Link To Full Article From Bengals.com

Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said Wednesday in the Mike Zimmer news conference there will be no trade of Chad Johnson despite the wide receiver's plea during last week's ESPN interview. Lewis also disagreed with Johnson's assertion no one in the organization had his back the face of internal and external criticism.

"You know better than that because you were here when they asked the questions and they were answered," said Lewis of his defense of Johnson. "We know better."

Asked if he thinks Johnson will be amenable to not being traded, Lewis said, "I can't control that, that doesn't mean anything to me right now. He's a special player and he's a Cincinnati Bengal for quite awhile."

Alerted to the interview by hs daughter, Lewis didn't hear anything surprising.

"He felt like he was unduly chastized or ridiculed," Lewis said. "Definetely we defended him there. But you've got to go back and accept what being a pro is and that's part of it. For all of us. Go forward and play."

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So there ya go.

-QG

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Haven't seen this posted elsewhere, hopefully not a Honda.

Link To Full Article From Bengals.com

Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said Wednesday in the Mike Zimmer news conference there will be no trade of Chad Johnson despite the wide receiver's plea during last week's ESPN interview. Lewis also disagreed with Johnson's assertion no one in the organization had his back the face of internal and external criticism.

"You know better than that because you were here when they asked the questions and they were answered," said Lewis of his defense of Johnson. "We know better."

Asked if he thinks Johnson will be amenable to not being traded, Lewis said, "I can't control that, that doesn't mean anything to me right now. He's a special player and he's a Cincinnati Bengal for quite awhile."

Alerted to the interview by hs daughter, Lewis didn't hear anything surprising.

"He felt like he was unduly chastized or ridiculed," Lewis said. "Definetely we defended him there. But you've got to go back and accept what being a pro is and that's part of it. For all of us. Go forward and play."

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So there ya go.

-QG
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In other words "GROW UP"
 
They've been pretty consistent about it though. Every time I see a "rumor" about a trade destination it's really just some sportswriter pontificating. Plus the cap hit would be pretty brutal.

-QG

 
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QuizGuy66 said:
They've been pretty consistent about it though. Every time I see a "rumor" about a trade destination it's really just some sportswriter pontificating.-QG
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95% of the time, that's the case. On the other hand, you can only believe 5% of what coaches say this time of year. It's not like Lewis is the GM anyways.I Give the CJ trade about a 15% chance of happening unless he really starts pushing it (to which he hasn't to this point). So far, Chad doesn't seem to believe the Bengals want him back, and it's really just some sportswriter pontificating.
 
I thought it was a stretch that a "future HOF'er" would be traded in the first place. From the Bengals POV if they were to trade him they would want much more than he would fetch in the trade market. He's going nowhere. Henry on the other hand is gone IMO.

 
bringchad2philly.com

He'll probably stay in Cincinnati. He and TJ are pretty good friends, and the Bengals problems really start with the defense. I definitely don't think this Marvin Lewis report will be the last we hear of Chad trade rumors however.

 
That's fine but that doesn't mean they'll win.

He was there this year and we saw what happened.

Concentrate on the defense Marvin, that's what they brought you in for.

 
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The Bengals would take an estimated $8 million hit on the salary cap in 2008 if they traded or released Chad Johnson, which the seven-year veteran wide receiver has repeatedly said he wants.

Trading or terminating Johnson’s contract would cost the Bengals some $8.03 million in salary cap space this year.

In other words, if Johnson is not with the Bengals in 2008, the club would have $8 million in dead money on the salary cap of $116 million because of the acceleration of bonus money already paid to Johnson.

The Bengals can’t afford to part ways with Johnson.

If Johnson were traded or released, he would forfeit his 2008 salary of $3.25 million.

Players are paid in 17 weekly game checks during the regular season.

If he were to choose not to report for the team’s offseason strength and conditioning program, which normally starts the first week of April, Johnson also would forego a $250,000 workout bonus.

Beginning in early January, Johnson has used the national radio media and NFL Network to publicize his unhappiness with the Bengals. On Sunday, ESPN.com reported – citing an unnamed source – Johnson would sit out the 2008 season rather than play for the Bengals.

Drew Rosenhaus, Johnson’s agent, told The Enquirer that Johnson would be playing football in 2008 but stopped short of saying his client would be playing for the Bengals.

Though he has just completed his seventh NFL season – during which Johnson has earned five Pro Bowl berths; he already is the leading receiver in franchise history – Johnson has received three contracts. Twice, the Bengals tore up and extended existing contracts.

Beside the four-year contract Johnson signed as a rookie in 2001, he signed a seven-year deal from the Bengals in November 2003 and, essentially, a six-year contract from the club in April 2006.

The Bengals are still absorbing up-front bonus money on the salary cap that had been paid to Johnson on his last two contracts; he received an estimated $10.5 million in bonuses when he signed in 2003 and another $10.25 million with the 2006 contract.

For the 2006 season, Johnson was the sixth-highest paid wide receiver in the NFL with a total compensation of $6,769,801. The list was released by the NFL Players Association released in its annual designation of franchise and transition tag numbers in free agency. Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Andre Johnson, Rod Smith and Laveranues Coles were paid more than Johnson at that time, and Johnson was ahead of Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Amani Toomer and Larry Fitzgerald, according to the NFLPA.

In the past two seasons, the first two of his latest contract, Johnson was paid almost $16 million in salary and bonuses by the Bengals.

The Bengals hold the option for the final year, 2011, of the contract. If the club chooses not to exercise that option, it must make a $3.5 million non-exercise payment to Johnson.

Johnson in 2007 set a single-season Bengals franchise receiving record with 1,440 yards. He is the franchise’s all-time leading in receptions (559) and receiving yards (8,365). His 93 catches in 2007 marked his fourth career 90-catch season. He now has at least one catch in 92 consecutive games, one short of Carl Pickens’ team-record streak of 93 games.

Johnson had five 100-yard receiving games in 2007, tying the team record he already shares, and has extended to 26 his Bengals career record for 100-yard receiving games. His 209 receiving yards on Sept. 16 at Cleveland was the AFC high for the year.

On Monday, Johnson, the first alternative to the Pro Bowl, was selected to replace New England wide receiver Randy Moss, who withdrew because of injury.
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I'm posting the article because it has the numbers in there but the writer may have it incorrect. Wouldn't the cap hit be $8.03 - $3.25 (CJ's salary in 08') if the Bengals traded him? If that's correct it would put the cap hit well under 5 million if they traded Ocho Cinco. That seems very doable for Cincinnati, especially considering they're not known as big free agency spenders.
 
i think the Bengals are only on the hook for his signing bonus (5 million for 6 years)... leaving like 4.2 million. the Bengals don't have to pay the 3.5 option bonus. New team will probably want to work out a new contract anyways. And the Bengals can spread the hit over 2 years

someone correct me if i'm wrong

 
Per the Cincinnati Enquirer:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...PT02/302050076/

Big cost to Chad trade

BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM

The Bengals would take an estimated $8 million hit on the salary cap in 2008 if they traded or released Chad Johnson, which the seven-year veteran wide receiver has repeatedly said he wants.

Trading or terminating Johnson’s contract would cost the Bengals some $8.03 million in salary cap space this year.

In other words, if Johnson is not with the Bengals in 2008, the club would have $8 million in dead money on the salary cap of $116 million because of the acceleration of bonus money already paid to Johnson.

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The Bengals can’t afford to part ways with Johnson.

If Johnson were traded or released, he would forfeit his 2008 salary of $3.25 million.

Players are paid in 17 weekly game checks during the regular season.

If he were to choose not to report for the team’s offseason strength and conditioning program, which normally starts the first week of April, Johnson also would forego a $250,000 workout bonus.

Beginning in early January, Johnson has used the national radio media and NFL Network to publicize his unhappiness with the Bengals. On Sunday, ESPN.com reported – citing an unnamed source – Johnson would sit out the 2008 season rather than play for the Bengals.

Drew Rosenhaus, Johnson’s agent, told The Enquirer that Johnson would be playing football in 2008 but stopped short of saying his client would be playing for the Bengals.

Though he has just completed his seventh NFL season – during which Johnson has earned five Pro Bowl berths; he already is the leading receiver in franchise history – Johnson has received three contracts. Twice, the Bengals tore up and extended existing contracts.

Beside the four-year contract Johnson signed as a rookie in 2001, he signed a seven-year deal from the Bengals in November 2003 and, essentially, a six-year contract from the club in April 2006.

The Bengals are still absorbing up-front bonus money on the salary cap that had been paid to Johnson on his last two contracts; he received an estimated $10.5 million in bonuses when he signed in 2003 and another $10.25 million with the 2006 contract.

For the 2006 season, Johnson was the sixth-highest paid wide receiver in the NFL with a total compensation of $6,769,801. The list was released by the NFL Players Association released in its annual designation of franchise and transition tag numbers in free agency. Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Andre Johnson, Rod Smith and Laveranues Coles were paid more than Johnson at that time, and Johnson was ahead of Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Amani Toomer and Larry Fitzgerald, according to the NFLPA.

In the past two seasons, the first two of his latest contract, Johnson was paid almost $16 million in salary and bonuses by the Bengals.

The Bengals hold the option for the final year, 2011, of the contract. If the club chooses not to exercise that option, it must make a $3.5 million non-exercise payment to Johnson.

Johnson in 2007 set a single-season Bengals franchise receiving record with 1,440 yards. He is the franchise’s all-time leading in receptions (559) and receiving yards (8,365). His 93 catches in 2007 marked his fourth career 90-catch season. He now has at least one catch in 92 consecutive games, one short of Carl Pickens’ team-record streak of 93 games.

Johnson had five 100-yard receiving games in 2007, tying the team record he already shares, and has extended to 26 his Bengals career record for 100-yard receiving games. His 209 receiving yards on Sept. 16 at Cleveland was the AFC high for the year.

On Monday, Johnson, the first alternative to the Pro Bowl, was selected to replace New England wide receiver Randy Moss, who withdrew because of injury.

 
this is the first I've read of upfront bonuses being spread out over several salary caps. bonuses are paid in full. The #s that actually count against the 08 salary cap shouldn't include the upfront bonuses that are being leaked. Should only be the signing bonus spread out, base salary, and any new bonus (workout, roster, incentives, etc)

Bengals have paid him a ton recently with his new contracts, they probably want more in return for what they've paid already. Bengals aren't going to have any leverage with a 3.5 million roster bonus due this offseason, but Chad is tradeable in my eyes because he can work out a new contract. I could be wrong, maybe the new agreement has changed a few things, just how I'm seeing this

 
Fear & Loathing said:
Don't forget the Mike Brown (Bengals' owner) factor here. He's not going to allow a Chad Johnson trade.
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I'm not doubting what you're saying but why not? Principle? Stubbornness? Butts in seats?Brown is an owner who wanted language in contracts that would penalize players for "conduct detrimental to the team"...so why would he be so willing to keep a player around who clearly has no desire to be there and will be a huge negative in the locker room and to team unity?
 
Banger said:
I thought it was a stretch that a "future HOF'er" would be traded in the first place. From the Bengals POV if they were to trade him they would want much more than he would fetch in the trade market. He's going nowhere. Henry on the other hand is gone IMO.
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What have you seen that makes you think Henry is gone? The guy has a serious knuckle head factor, but that hasn't necessarily persuaded the Bengals before.
 
Tecmo said:
this is the first I've read of upfront bonuses being spread out over several salary caps. bonuses are paid in full. The #s that actually count against the 08 salary cap shouldn't include the upfront bonuses that are being leaked. Should only be the signing bonus spread out, base salary, and any new bonus (workout, roster, incentives, etc) Bengals have paid him a ton recently with his new contracts, they probably want more in return for what they've paid already. Bengals aren't going to have any leverage with a 3.5 million roster bonus due this offseason, but Chad is tradeable in my eyes because he can work out a new contract. I could be wrong, maybe the new agreement has changed a few things, just how I'm seeing this
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The Redskins spread the money out fairly often. If you signed a contract in 2007 that had a $30 million signing bonus the team could spread that out over a certain number of years. I don't know what the max amount is (5 I think).
 
trader jake said:
Fear & Loathing said:
Don't forget the Mike Brown (Bengals' owner) factor here. He's not going to allow a Chad Johnson trade.
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I'm not doubting what you're saying but why not? Principle? Stubbornness? Butts in seats?
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Absolute 100% stubbornness. He's a throwback, a died-in-the-wool conservative old-line NFL lifer in addition to often being a clueless, tight-fisted, jackarse. He doesn't care how the rest of the league conducts business, or where else his players want to play, or really what anybody else thinks about his franchise. He's Paul Brown's son, god-dammit!If he says he's not allowing a Chad Johnson trade, you can take it to the bank that Chad Johnson will be wearing a Bengals uniform or no uniform at all. A quote from another thread regarding Mike Brown and the Bengals:
Mike Brown is like the bizarro version of the Rooney family in Pittsburgh. He has some of their same superpowers: i.e. loyalty, hidebound conservatism, aversion to change, appreciation for old-timey football. Unfortunately, while the Rooney's use their football powers for good, Brown uses his only for evil. Over the last 20 years the Brown family's hallmark has been its lack of vision, lack of ingenuity, general backwardness, and most importantly, a knack for tight pursestrings on talent evaluation, talent acquisition, and coaching.
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Regarding your second question:
trader jake said:
Brown is an owner who wanted language in contracts that would penalize players for "conduct detrimental to the team"...so why would he be so willing to keep a player around who clearly has no desire to be there and will be a huge negative in the locker room and to team unity?
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Remember the Carl Pickens era? Corey Dillon? Takeo Spikes? All detested being Bengals in much worse times than Chad Johnson has seen recently and all stayed Bengals through much worse kvetching than Chad Johnson has performed lately. While in their primes, Pickens (correctly) called the Bengals franchise a joke and a laughingstock, Dillon said he'd rather flip burgers than play for the Bengals, and Spikes was so beaten down by ineptitude and apathy that he openly pined for a new home continually. All of them stayed in stripes for as long as Mike Brown thought they were useful, talented, and reasonably priced. Chad Johnson will suffer the same fate.
 
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thayman said:
Tecmo said:
this is the first I've read of upfront bonuses being spread out over several salary caps. bonuses are paid in full. The #s that actually count against the 08 salary cap shouldn't include the upfront bonuses that are being leaked. Should only be the signing bonus spread out, base salary, and any new bonus (workout, roster, incentives, etc) Bengals have paid him a ton recently with his new contracts, they probably want more in return for what they've paid already. Bengals aren't going to have any leverage with a 3.5 million roster bonus due this offseason, but Chad is tradeable in my eyes because he can work out a new contract. I could be wrong, maybe the new agreement has changed a few things, just how I'm seeing this
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The Redskins spread the money out fairly often. If you signed a contract in 2007 that had a $30 million signing bonus the team could spread that out over a certain number of years. I don't know what the max amount is (5 I think).
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The bonus, for salary cap purposes, is prorated over the life of the contract, so a $30M bonus on a six-year contract is prorated at $5M per year. The actual cap hit is $5M plus whatever each year's salary is. If the player is cut after year four, he'd have two more years on his contract left, so the cap hit would be $10M. Usually the contracts have below market salary levels for the star players in the early years of the contract, and large and even ludicrously large salaries on the back end. This is done in order to encourage renegotiation of the contract later on, and also to allow the player to claim he was signed for "a contract worth $[large #], even though a big proportion of that number is just fluff that will never get paid.
 
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...

It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year. :rolleyes:

 
trader jake said:
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year. :excited:
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LOL, on ESPN first take today...he alluded that maybe he'd play Arena League instead.
 
trader jake said:
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year. :shrug:
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Wow, really?I saw a clip of CJ from the ESPN morning show and he didn't go that far, but it was clear he was unhappy. He said he hasn't spoken to Marvin Lewis since the end of the season and saw no reason to; and when asked directly if he would play in Cincy next year, he said he couldn't answer that question right now.
 
Jason Wood said:
trader jake said:
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year. :popcorn:
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Wow, really?I saw a clip of CJ from the ESPN morning show and he didn't go that far, but it was clear he was unhappy. He said he hasn't spoken to Marvin Lewis since the end of the season and saw no reason to; and when asked directly if he would play in Cincy next year, he said he couldn't answer that question right now.
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I think he would like out, but I also think he will play if he doesn't get moved. Doesn't surprise me that he'd say he won't play, as I think if a guy wants out, that is exactly what he should say.The list of players that say this is much, much longer than those that follow through on this threat.
 
He isnt going anywhere, no matter how much he cries about it. In fact he is really only hurting his chances of getting out by reducing his trade value. Alienating your fanbase when you wont be able to get out, brilliant!

 
notdarkyet said:
He isnt going anywhere, no matter how much he cries about it. In fact he is really only hurting his chances of getting out by reducing his trade value. Alienating your fanbase when you wont be able to get out, brilliant!
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How is he alienating his fan base? He refuses to throw his teammates under the bus, and has yet (at least that I've heard) to say anything negative about the city or its fans. Basically all he's said [by not saying anything directly] is that he has a troubled relationship with his head coach and that IF HE HAD CONTROL [which he admits he does not], he would opt for a change of scenery.
 
By acting like a jackass everytime he gets a chance to be in front of a camera. Saying you dont want to play for the team that your fans root for is causing many of his supporters to turn their backs on him.

He never says what is wrong, just that he wants a change. If he gave any reasons on how badly he was wronged, then maybe people wouldnt be starting to turn on him.

As far as refusing to throw his teammates under the bus: How about saying that Carson and TJ were the only players that had his back? Sure he hasnt named names at this point, but that isnt standing up with your teammates by any means.

 
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By acting like a jackass everytime he gets a chance to be in front of a camera. Saying you dont want to play for the team that your fans root for is causing many of his supporters to turn their backs on him.

He never says what is wrong, just that he wants a change. If he gave any reasons on how badly he was wronged, then maybe people wouldnt be starting to turn on him.

As far as refusing to throw his teammates under the bus: How about saying that Carson and TJ were the only players that had his back? Sure he hasnt named names at this point, but that isnt standing up with your teammates by any means.
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Fair enough, although Chad went out of his way to praise all 53 of his teammates last night on NFL Network.
 
Yea he did. However, when you do it after saying all the other stuff it doesnt carry much weight. And in the same interview saying he doesnt want to play with those guys, I cant imagine that sits too well with the teammates.

I still contend this is more about money than he wants to admit. Its all moot as he wont be going anywhere. He can either play, or hold out and waste some of his remaining time to play in the league.

 
Jason Wood said:
notdarkyet said:
He isnt going anywhere, no matter how much he cries about it. In fact he is really only hurting his chances of getting out by reducing his trade value. Alienating your fanbase when you wont be able to get out, brilliant!
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How is he alienating his fan base? He refuses to throw his teammates under the bus, and has yet (at least that I've heard) to say anything negative about the city or its fans. Basically all he's said [by not saying anything directly] is that he has a troubled relationship with his head coach and that IF HE HAD CONTROL [which he admits he does not], he would opt for a change of scenery.
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:shrug: Hey, people dont want to hear what another person is REALLY saying only what they want to hear. I didn't hear him not once say anything about the fans or the city. How about instead of choosing a side without knowing what happened lets wait and see what really happened and then make a choice.
 
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Yea he did. However, when you do it after saying all the other stuff it doesnt carry much weight. And in the same interview saying he doesnt want to play with those guys, I cant imagine that sits too well with the teammates.I still contend this is more about money than he wants to admit. Its all moot as he wont be going anywhere. He can either play, or hold out and waste some of his remaining time to play in the league.
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Dude clearly states that THEY(being his teammates) know what happened and know whats going on. Again he never says he doesn't want to play with his teammates. Thats what YOU are saying.
 
prymetyme25 said:
notdarkyet said:
Yea he did. However, when you do it after saying all the other stuff it doesnt carry much weight. And in the same interview saying he doesnt want to play with those guys, I cant imagine that sits too well with the teammates.I still contend this is more about money than he wants to admit. Its all moot as he wont be going anywhere. He can either play, or hold out and waste some of his remaining time to play in the league.
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Dude clearly states that THEY(being his teammates) know what happened and know whats going on. Again he never says he doesn't want to play with his teammates. Thats what YOU are saying.
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He's went both ways. :confused: YOU can choose to listen to the positive parts of the recent interview (there is plenty on both sides). Ill look at the whole interview and the tone of the interview in addition to his previous interviews since he has gone on this little tirade. He most certainly does say he doesnt want to play with them. He specifically says he wants out, says he wants a change of scenery. Unless they move the whole team, that probably implies that he doesnt want to play with them. Besides, I know how the fanbase in general is reacting to his act. So whether he specifically spoke badly about his teammates or not, he is still percieved that way.
 
I wont say that he doesnt have a valid reason for wanting out. He very well might have one. But when you act like a baby and dont ever provide that reason, it makes you look like a jackass.

He's a good guy, but he is a crybaby, even on the field. And I do believe it negatively affects his performance. He lets the times where Carson doesnt see him affect half of the huddle on the next play. You see it time and again. He has a lot of work to do mentally IMO. End of the year he went out of bounds on a catch voluntarily short of a first down on fourth and whatever. He either A) didnt know where the first down marker was or B) didnt know what down it was. Either way it speaks to his mental stamina.

 
massraider said:
Jason Wood said:
trader jake said:
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year. :confused:
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Wow, really?I saw a clip of CJ from the ESPN morning show and he didn't go that far, but it was clear he was unhappy. He said he hasn't spoken to Marvin Lewis since the end of the season and saw no reason to; and when asked directly if he would play in Cincy next year, he said he couldn't answer that question right now.
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I think he would like out, but I also think he will play if he doesn't get moved. Doesn't surprise me that he'd say he won't play, as I think if a guy wants out, that is exactly what he should say.The list of players that say this is much, much longer than those that follow through on this threat.
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He might pull a Randy Moss where he quits on his team. It was obvious to everyone Moss wasn't trying his last year with Oakland. He quit on plays (more than usual) and looked like he was dropping passes intentionally.
 
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JohnnyU said:
massraider said:
Jason Wood said:
trader jake said:
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year. :D
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Wow, really?I saw a clip of CJ from the ESPN morning show and he didn't go that far, but it was clear he was unhappy. He said he hasn't spoken to Marvin Lewis since the end of the season and saw no reason to; and when asked directly if he would play in Cincy next year, he said he couldn't answer that question right now.
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I think he would like out, but I also think he will play if he doesn't get moved. Doesn't surprise me that he'd say he won't play, as I think if a guy wants out, that is exactly what he should say.The list of players that say this is much, much longer than those that follow through on this threat.
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He might pull a Randy Moss where he quits on his team. It was obvious to everyone Moss wasn't trying his last year with Oakland. He quit on plays (more than usual) and looked like he was dropping passes intentionally.
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He might, but really, not many players have taken this route. At least, not in as obvious a manner as Moss.I think the playbook is pretty clear: 1. Make a lot of noise, 2. Declare to NEVER play for the team again,3. Go on the interview circuit making cryptic comments and pretending to not want to talk about the situation, 4. show up at the last possible moment, and play.Chad really has no leverage, and after draft day, the chances of him leaving really drop dramatically. If he misses a portion of the season, he'll really hurt is reputation, which isn't perfect, although not as bad as some think.
 
JohnnyU said:
massraider said:
Jason Wood said:
trader jake said:
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year. :bag:
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Wow, really?I saw a clip of CJ from the ESPN morning show and he didn't go that far, but it was clear he was unhappy. He said he hasn't spoken to Marvin Lewis since the end of the season and saw no reason to; and when asked directly if he would play in Cincy next year, he said he couldn't answer that question right now.
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I think he would like out, but I also think he will play if he doesn't get moved. Doesn't surprise me that he'd say he won't play, as I think if a guy wants out, that is exactly what he should say.The list of players that say this is much, much longer than those that follow through on this threat.
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He might pull a Randy Moss where he quits on his team. It was obvious to everyone Moss wasn't trying his last year with Oakland. He quit on plays (more than usual) and looked like he was dropping passes intentionally.
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There were numerous times last season where Ocho Stinko appeared to quit on his team on the field
 
massraider said:
I think the playbook is pretty clear: 1. Make a lot of noise, 2. Declare to NEVER play for the team again,3. Go on the interview circuit making cryptic comments and pretending to not want to talk about the situation, 4. show up at the last possible moment, and play.Chad really has no leverage, and after draft day, the chances of him leaving really drop dramatically. If he misses a portion of the season, he'll really hurt is reputation, which isn't perfect, although not as bad as some think.
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:goodposting:
 
Fear & Loathing said:
massraider said:
I think the playbook is pretty clear: 1. Make a lot of noise, 2. Declare to NEVER play for the team again,3. Go on the interview circuit making cryptic comments and pretending to not want to talk about the situation, 4. show up at the last possible moment, and play.Chad really has no leverage, and after draft day, the chances of him leaving really drop dramatically. If he misses a portion of the season, he'll really hurt is reputation, which isn't perfect, although not as bad as some think.
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Again, I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill [not a surprise in this era of Internet chats, blogs and dedicated sites] but Chad said repeatedly that he would like to change teams IF IT WERE HIS DECISION, but that ultimately he understands HE HAS NO CONTROL OF THE SITUATION. Never once has the guy said he won't play for Cincy if they can't accommodate a trade, has he?
 
Jason Wood said:
Fear & Loathing said:
massraider said:
I think the playbook is pretty clear: 1. Make a lot of noise, 2. Declare to NEVER play for the team again,3. Go on the interview circuit making cryptic comments and pretending to not want to talk about the situation, 4. show up at the last possible moment, and play.Chad really has no leverage, and after draft day, the chances of him leaving really drop dramatically. If he misses a portion of the season, he'll really hurt is reputation, which isn't perfect, although not as bad as some think.
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Again, I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill [not a surprise in this era of Internet chats, blogs and dedicated sites] but Chad said repeatedly that he would like to change teams IF IT WERE HIS DECISION, but that ultimately he understands HE HAS NO CONTROL OF THE SITUATION. Never once has the guy said he won't play for Cincy if they can't accommodate a trade, has he?
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What about post #21 up above?
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year.
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Fear & Loathing said:
Jason Wood said:
Fear & Loathing said:
massraider said:
I think the playbook is pretty clear: 1. Make a lot of noise, 2. Declare to NEVER play for the team again,3. Go on the interview circuit making cryptic comments and pretending to not want to talk about the situation, 4. show up at the last possible moment, and play.Chad really has no leverage, and after draft day, the chances of him leaving really drop dramatically. If he misses a portion of the season, he'll really hurt is reputation, which isn't perfect, although not as bad as some think.
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:goodposting:
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Again, I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill [not a surprise in this era of Internet chats, blogs and dedicated sites] but Chad said repeatedly that he would like to change teams IF IT WERE HIS DECISION, but that ultimately he understands HE HAS NO CONTROL OF THE SITUATION. Never once has the guy said he won't play for Cincy if they can't accommodate a trade, has he?
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What about post #21 up above?
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year.
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I watched the NFL Network that night with Ocho on and didn't hear him say that. Now I missed the last few minutes but if he said that after taking the higher road for most of the show, it would surprise me.
 
Jason Wood said:
Fear & Loathing said:
Jason Wood said:
Fear & Loathing said:
massraider said:
I think the playbook is pretty clear:

1. Make a lot of noise,

2. Declare to NEVER play for the team again,

3. Go on the interview circuit making cryptic comments and pretending to not want to talk about the situation,

4. show up at the last possible moment, and play.

Chad really has no leverage, and after draft day, the chances of him leaving really drop dramatically. If he misses a portion of the season, he'll really hurt is reputation, which isn't perfect, although not as bad as some think.
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:hophead:
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Again, I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill [not a surprise in this era of Internet chats, blogs and dedicated sites] but Chad said repeatedly that he would like to change teams IF IT WERE HIS DECISION, but that ultimately he understands HE HAS NO CONTROL OF THE SITUATION. Never once has the guy said he won't play for Cincy if they can't accommodate a trade, has he?
Click to expand...
What about post #21 up above?
Chad Johnson was just on NFL Network...

It was live and he looked straight into the camera and said that he WOULD NOT play for the Bengals this season...even if it means sitting out the year.
Click to expand...
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I watched the NFL Network that night with Ocho on and didn't hear him say that. Now I missed the last few minutes but if he said that after taking the higher road for most of the show, it would surprise me.
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Chad has NOT been taking the higher road the majority of the time, he has been :banned: about being traded ever since the season ended.I think we will see much more of Chad's true nature and personality emerge this season as he sulks over not being traded and becomes a weekly distraction for the Bengals.

I seriously think there's a very high chance of a very disappointing FF season from CJ this coming year.

 
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Thursday, Mar 20, 2008 9:04 am EDT

Chad Johnson wants to be a Cowboy

Chad Johnson

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Chad Johnson could've climbed on the coffee table on the middle of the Best Damn Sports Show Period set Wednesday and yelled at the top of his lungs "Trade me to to Dallas!!!" And he really wouldn't have been much more clear than he was in batting his eyes in the direction of Valley Ranch according to the Dallas Morning News.

"If I end up in Dallas, I would just look at which finger I'm gonna put it on," Johnson declared. "That's it. Ain't no ifs, ands or buts about it."

Johnson said he and Terrell Owens would co-exist on the same team: "It's gonna work," Johnson said. "T.J. (Houshmandzadeh) and Chad Johnson are no different than '81' and '85' because T.J. is a No. 1 receiver. We just happen to be two No. 1 receivers on the same team at the same time. It's no different."

Source: Dallas Morning News

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