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****Official AFC Title Game Thread**** (1 Viewer)

Gr00vus said:
pats3in4 said:
Granted, nobody has shut down the Pats' offense outright (the NYJ and Ravens came closest, both aided by horrendous throwing conditions), but the teams that "looked" the best (looked being a relative term, obviously) did so by mixing up their coverages, giving lots of fake pre-snap reads and overloading the blitz from alternate sides.
If you read my follow on comments you'll see that the Chargers have been doing exactly what you said, minus extensive blitzes. I know many have said the way to beat the Pats is to Blitz Brady and such, but honestly I haven't seen it work. Unless you're actually sacking him regularly due to blitzes, he'll eat you alive with them. And this year the offensive line just hasn't allowed the kind of pressure necessary to make blitzing pay.I think the Jags were as effective as you can expect to be against the Pats - you choose your poison, die fast or die slow. One advantage of die slow is that it gives the offense more opportunities to make a mistake, which the Charger D has been good at capitalizing on this year, and I think that's the direction Cottrell has been heading towards.The other side of the coin is you need to keep up in the scoring on your end. The Jags mistake was settling for field goals. They're a waste of time against the Pats for the most part this year.
Your logic is basically sound, and mimics what the Colts would be doing. In general, rush 5 and drop 6, selectively coming with the overload blitz. Too many teams have tried to crack this nut with a skewed approach, either all out blitzing (Eagles) or zero blitzing (Jags). You have to be able to match up. It really is eleven on eleven. If you have weaknesses, you uses aggressive play to mitigate the weaknesses. In this vein, I see the Boltz front 7 as being more talented than there back 4, and therefore should be a little, but not a lot, blitz happy in their game planning.
 
Gr00vus said:
pats3in4 said:
Granted, nobody has shut down the Pats' offense outright (the NYJ and Ravens came closest, both aided by horrendous throwing conditions), but the teams that "looked" the best (looked being a relative term, obviously) did so by mixing up their coverages, giving lots of fake pre-snap reads and overloading the blitz from alternate sides.
If you read my follow on comments you'll see that the Chargers have been doing exactly what you said, minus extensive blitzes. I know many have said the way to beat the Pats is to Blitz Brady and such, but honestly I haven't seen it work. Unless you're actually sacking him regularly due to blitzes, he'll eat you alive with them. And this year the offensive line just hasn't allowed the kind of pressure necessary to make blitzing pay.
The blitzing part is key because if the Chargers just drop Merriman and/or Philips in coverage, he'll have the time to find open guys. Brady must be pressured, but the blitzes must be unorthodox. If the Chargers line up in their normal 3-4 and bring Merriman and Philips off the edges, Brady will kill them. The Chargers need do to things like show blitz with both of them, but have Merriman stop his blitz and then not only drop in coverage, but drop to the zone where Welker will be crossing, even if it's to the spot Philips vacated. The Chargers need to do things like have Drayton Florence line up on Welker in the slot in bump-and-run, but blitz at the snap and have a safety and OLB jump out on Welker, since he'll be the hot read on such a play. The Eagles and Ravens threw the kitchen sink at Brady from a creativity standpoint. San Diego needs to do the same.
 
pats3in4 said:
A big mistake. This was Washington's strategy, putting the fast London Fletcher on Welker. The Redskins figured that Welker would make some catches, but pay a hefty price by the hits Fletcher would lay on him. :rolleyes: Welker made catches, dove to avoid hits and when he took hits he just bounced right back up and took some more. For a guy his size, Welker is tough as nails.
It's not about getting hits on Welker - it's about mixing up the coverage and having guys in positions Brady isn't expecting.
If Brady has the time, he'll see it. Plenty of teams went with a 3- and 4-man rush with a combination of coverages behind them. Brady pretty much tore them all up. Like I said in a previous post, blitzing is the Chargers friend...as long as they're smart about it. Straight OLB blitzes or safety blitzes will have Brady licking his chops.
 
The blitzing part is key because if the Chargers just drop Merriman and/or Philips in coverage, he'll have the time to find open guys. Brady must be pressured, but the blitzes must be unorthodox. If the Chargers line up in their normal 3-4 and bring Merriman and Philips off the edges, Brady will kill them. The Chargers need do to things like show blitz with both of them, but have Merriman stop his blitz and then not only drop in coverage, but drop to the zone where Welker will be crossing, even if it's to the spot Philips vacated. The Chargers need to do things like have Drayton Florence line up on Welker in the slot in bump-and-run, but blitz at the snap and have a safety and OLB jump out on Welker, since he'll be the hot read on such a play. The Eagles and Ravens threw the kitchen sink at Brady from a creativity standpoint. San Diego needs to do the same.
I think we're getting at the same thing here, and the Chargers are doing basically what you're talking about. The outside linebackers move all over the place - either side of the field, inside, outside, etc. Sometimes they rush, sometimes the drop into coverage, sometimes its a safety or ILB who rushes, etc. The only thing that remains relatively stable is the ratio of rushers to coverage which usually is 4/7. I think I've actually seen Olshansky drop into coverage once or twice even. The Chargers will definitely come at this from a multitude of angles Sunday.
 
The blitzing part is key because if the Chargers just drop Merriman and/or Philips in coverage, he'll have the time to find open guys. Brady must be pressured, but the blitzes must be unorthodox. If the Chargers line up in their normal 3-4 and bring Merriman and Philips off the edges, Brady will kill them. The Chargers need do to things like show blitz with both of them, but have Merriman stop his blitz and then not only drop in coverage, but drop to the zone where Welker will be crossing, even if it's to the spot Philips vacated. The Chargers need to do things like have Drayton Florence line up on Welker in the slot in bump-and-run, but blitz at the snap and have a safety and OLB jump out on Welker, since he'll be the hot read on such a play. The Eagles and Ravens threw the kitchen sink at Brady from a creativity standpoint. San Diego needs to do the same.
I think we're getting at the same thing here, and the Chargers are doing basically what you're talking about. The outside linebackers move all over the place - either side of the field, inside, outside, etc. Sometimes they rush, sometimes the drop into coverage, sometimes its a safety or ILB who rushes, etc. The only thing that remains relatively stable is the ratio of rushers to coverage which usually is 4/7. I think I've actually seen Olshansky drop into coverage once or twice even. The Chargers will definitely come at this from a multitude of angles Sunday.
:thumbup: I hope they do. My respect for Norv would shoot through the roof, even in a Pats win. Del Rio gameplanned a good game on offense Saturday night, but stubbornly sticking to the "4-man rush, play 7 deep" with an occasional blitz tossed in was unwise to say the least.

 
My thoughts on the "Classless Bowl" :goodposting: in regards to the Bolts chances:

a) the 15 pt. spread seems about right, however:

b) given that...nobody expects the Bolts to win = no presssure

c) they have athletes who can make plays on both sides of ball (and special teams)...athletes can make plays no matter BB's scheming

If they come out like they did against Indy and create havoc for Brady and co., it could be interesting.

 
It's been a while since the Pats v Philly and Baltimore games. I know both teams played the Pats close. Anything they schemed those games that would be useful for the Chargers to learn from.....

 
It's been a while since the Pats v Philly and Baltimore games. I know both teams played the Pats close. Anything they schemed those games that would be useful for the Chargers to learn from.....
If they could scheme the winds that BAL had, it'd be a big plus. :thumbdown:The philly game was a mix of overload blitzes that disrupted the timing, and was very effective, but NE was still able to adjust and made Welker the goto. Any scheme I've seen to date will leave some opening, and the Pats have shown themselves to be adept at finding and adjusting to whatever is open. What seemed to work was timely plays that stopped the pats short of TDs, which hasn't happened all that much. Thats the key, finding a way to hold them to FGs - easier said than done - to sticking with this team. They're going to move the ball, and if you can turn 2 or more drives into FG rather than TD...
 
The matchup as I see it from a Patriots fan view looking at the Pats plan:

Pats O vs SD D: San Diego has a better pass rush than Jacksonville but they are not as good as covering receivers as Jacksonville. I look for the Patriots continue with the short passing game but the passes will need to be quicker coming out. But the difference in this game is that the Pats will take some chances downfield trying to exploit SD’s secondary. They will try to run the ball on occasion early in the game but if it is not successful they will go to almost exclusively pass. They saw what manning did to this defense and will follow a similar path.

Pats D vs SD O: I think they will key on the run and try to bring a lot of pressure on the QB. Rodney Harrison will be close to the line of scrimmage and either rush the Qb or help against the run. This may lead to a couple of big plays from SD but the Pats only hope to stop the Chargers from having consistently long drives. Rivers will be fairly immobile if he plays and Volek does not have a quick release so pressure will be applied against either one. If Tomlinson is a no go then they can play the pass more. They usually have good success against the more physical straight ahead backs like Turner and less success against the shifty ones like Tomlinson.

 
The matchup as I see it from a Patriots fan view looking at the Pats plan:Pats O vs SD D: San Diego has a better pass rush than Jacksonville but they are not as good as covering receivers as Jacksonville. I look for the Patriots continue with the short passing game but the passes will need to be quicker coming out. But the difference in this game is that the Pats will take some chances downfield trying to exploit SD’s secondary. They will try to run the ball on occasion early in the game but if it is not successful they will go to almost exclusively pass. They saw what manning did to this defense and will follow a similar path.Pats D vs SD O: I think they will key on the run and try to bring a lot of pressure on the QB. Rodney Harrison will be close to the line of scrimmage and either rush the Qb or help against the run. This may lead to a couple of big plays from SD but the Pats only hope to stop the Chargers from having consistently long drives. Rivers will be fairly immobile if he plays and Volek does not have a quick release so pressure will be applied against either one. If Tomlinson is a no go then they can play the pass more. They usually have good success against the more physical straight ahead backs like Turner and less success against the shifty ones like Tomlinson.
Good insight.. NE will have success running the ball. Maroney will go for 100yds on the ground.. This guy is special he has kicked it up a gear each week and is running extremely well with not much wear and tear on him.
 
It's been a while since the Pats v Philly and Baltimore games. I know both teams played the Pats close. Anything they schemed those games that would be useful for the Chargers to learn from.....
Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown played bump-and-run on Moss, grabbed his jersey without getting caught (not a whine, but a compliment...the Chargers should try this early to see how the refs will call it) and effectively took him out of the game. The Eagles did a good job with their blitz, disguising where the rushers were coming from, forcing Brady to make precise reads on every single snap. What killed Philly was that the Pats adjusted with an excellent hot-read game to Welker, who always found the zone behind the vacated blitzers. He ended up with something like 13 catches that night.Baltimore played bump-and-run on the Pats' WRs all night, but there were some mitigating factors. First, the Ravens starting CBs were both healthy for the first game together all year. As a pair, I'd put them above San Diego's pair, even though Cromartie is better than McAlister or Rolle at this point. Second, nickelback Corey Ivey mauled Welker all night and didn't get called for it. This time I'll whine because the lack of flags was ridiculous. Third, the game was played in a windstorm where anything over 25 yards was a crapshoot to see if it's on target, so the Ravens were smart to play man and dare Brady to throw long over the top. I do think bump-and-run must be mixed in by San Diego, but I don't know if they have the talent and circumstances to make it as effective as Baltimore made it.On offense, AJ Feeley had the game of his life hitting WRs on incuts about 12-15yds downfield. The Pats CBs typically play outside technique, trying to funnel routes to the inside where safeties roam and LBs drop into zones, hoping the QB will make one or two bad reads that turn into killer INTs (see Garrard's pick to Rodney last Saturday night). If Rivers or Volek can play like Feeley and have a precise game and throw to those routes (and the Chargers WRs can run them without fear), San Diego has a chance. I haven't watched much of Jackson, Chambers and Davis this year so I don't know if they like cutting to the inside. I've seen them get behind defenses and I'm fairly positive that the Pats will not allow that. If the middle-of-the-field passing game of the Chargers only involves Gates and not the WRs, then San Diego is in trouble.In the Ravens game, McGahee uncharacteristically ate the Pats alive. Yes, teams can run with moderate success on the Pats, but McGahee's success was an abberation. It was the only game all year in which the Pats focused on stopping a RB, yet got abused anyway (other games like Indy and Dallas where the RBs had decent games, the Pats were in a base nickel out of respect for those teams' passing games). It was the third prime time game in a row for the Pats and a few players commented that the schedule had thrown them off; After that game, the Pats had minimal practice the following week to rest up and the rest showed results in the Steelers thumping. It should be noted that despite McGahee's success, he was shut down in the 4th quarter once Rodney came in the box and the Pats sold out to stop him. If the Chargers can balance their offense, they should have success both running and passing, but if their passing game isn't working, I don't think their running game can carry them like McGahee carried the Ravens that night.
 
It's been a while since the Pats v Philly and Baltimore games. I know both teams played the Pats close. Anything they schemed those games that would be useful for the Chargers to learn from.....
Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown played bump-and-run on Moss, grabbed his jersey without getting caught (not a whine, but a compliment...the Chargers should try this early to see how the refs will call it) and effectively took him out of the game. The Eagles did a good job with their blitz, disguising where the rushers were coming from, forcing Brady to make precise reads on every single snap. What killed Philly was that the Pats adjusted with an excellent hot-read game to Welker, who always found the zone behind the vacated blitzers. He ended up with something like 13 catches that night.Baltimore played bump-and-run on the Pats' WRs all night, but there were some mitigating factors. First, the Ravens starting CBs were both healthy for the first game together all year. As a pair, I'd put them above San Diego's pair, even though Cromartie is better than McAlister or Rolle at this point. Second, nickelback Corey Ivey mauled Welker all night and didn't get called for it. This time I'll whine because the lack of flags was ridiculous. Third, the game was played in a windstorm where anything over 25 yards was a crapshoot to see if it's on target, so the Ravens were smart to play man and dare Brady to throw long over the top. I do think bump-and-run must be mixed in by San Diego, but I don't know if they have the talent and circumstances to make it as effective as Baltimore made it.On offense, AJ Feeley had the game of his life hitting WRs on incuts about 12-15yds downfield. The Pats CBs typically play outside technique, trying to funnel routes to the inside where safeties roam and LBs drop into zones, hoping the QB will make one or two bad reads that turn into killer INTs (see Garrard's pick to Rodney last Saturday night). If Rivers or Volek can play like Feeley and have a precise game and throw to those routes (and the Chargers WRs can run them without fear), San Diego has a chance. I haven't watched much of Jackson, Chambers and Davis this year so I don't know if they like cutting to the inside. I've seen them get behind defenses and I'm fairly positive that the Pats will not allow that. If the middle-of-the-field passing game of the Chargers only involves Gates and not the WRs, then San Diego is in trouble.In the Ravens game, McGahee uncharacteristically ate the Pats alive. Yes, teams can run with moderate success on the Pats, but McGahee's success was an abberation. It was the only game all year in which the Pats focused on stopping a RB, yet got abused anyway (other games like Indy and Dallas where the RBs had decent games, the Pats were in a base nickel out of respect for those teams' passing games). It was the third prime time game in a row for the Pats and a few players commented that the schedule had thrown them off; After that game, the Pats had minimal practice the following week to rest up and the rest showed results in the Steelers thumping. It should be noted that despite McGahee's success, he was shut down in the 4th quarter once Rodney came in the box and the Pats sold out to stop him. If the Chargers can balance their offense, they should have success both running and passing, but if their passing game isn't working, I don't think their running game can carry them like McGahee carried the Ravens that night.
:thumbdown: Nice breakdown. I like this thread (fans of both sides talking about the game) much better then the other one (who disrespected whom worse)!
 
Some Pats notes on what's changed since the week 2 game:

- Richard Seymour didn't play that game. He was on the PUP list. Jarvis Green played in his place and played well (best backup DL-man in the league, IMO...would start on almost any team). Seymour started off slow in his return, but has gotten better in recent weeks. He's not at the Pro Bowl level he was in 2003 or 2004, but he should do a better job of holding his own vs. McNeil than he did in the playoff game last year (with his hurt knee which lead to his surgery and trip to the PUP list). His return also gives the Pats some flexibility on the DL, in which they can go to a 4-3 with Green taking Seymour's DE spot and Seymour moving inside with Wilfork, where Seymour provides a better pass rush. Sometimes Green will be the DT in that formation as the Pats try to find a weakness to exploit.

- Rodney Harrison didn't play that game. He was serving his 4 game suspension for HGH. While there are times he shows his age (e.g. sometimes exploited in coverage, or bowled over by Brandon Jacobs), the D is usually better off with him in there (like the Ravens game I mentioned in a previous post). He also didn't play in the playoff game last year nor the 2005 regular season game...both games I'm sure he was dying to partake in.

- Rosevelt Colvin is now out. He had great games both in September and last January, so he'll be missed for sure. Adalius Thomas has moved outside full-time to replace him. The highly-prized (and priced) FA signing started off the season hot, but hasn't been the stud the Pats hoped they were getting. He's been accused of playing too upright in the run D. I saw him make the Jags' left tackle work in pass protection the other night so that was a good sign. Colvin's absence has directly affected the ILB rotation of Bruschi, Thomas and Seau. Bruschi and Thomas were the base ILBs with Seau getting lots of reps for Bruschi if teams tried running more frequently (see that September game). Now it's just Bruschi and Seau getting all of the reps. Neither look particularly tired, but San Diego should be a good test on how well they hold up. It should be noted that despite Bruschi and Seau being past their primes, they are a much better inside combo than the Bruschi/Vrabel combo that played in last January's matchup. Also, despite my criticisms of Thomas, he's a much better OLB than Tully Banta-Cain who had a nightmare game setting (or not setting) the edge against Tomlinson last January.

- Sammy Morris is now out. This one could hurt, depending on how Maroney does. If you remember that September game, Morris was huge in killing the clock in the 2nd half, helping the Pats answer two San Diego TD drives with two of their own. Morris, while not as talented as Maroney, knew his role was to hit a hole fast and hard and he did it well. Maroney was a bit tentative in deciding where to take the play and often could get caught in the backfield. Maroney has improved leaps and bounds lately and is much more decisive in making his cuts. And all that sharing the rock has kept Maroney fresh for the postseason. I'm curious to see how the new and improved Maroney does against this San Diego D that will need to worry about the 3- and 4-WR sets first.

 
If they can beat the Pats next week I will seriously tip my hat to them, much as I dislike the attitudes and antics of LT, Rivers, and Merriman. If they lose, I hope it's with more class than they lost with last year.
The Patriots didn't exactly show class when they beat the Chargers last year in San Diego.
Read up on your history to see how much class SD showed when they beat NE in Foxboro two years prior.
Do you need a baby rattle with that weak ####?Get your boyz ready, Lights Out and the Bolts D are about to punch your Patriots in the mouth.
:rolleyes:This is going to be my sig after my Pats curb stomp your little babies.
 
Here's something I've thought about more as the season goes on, and Pats fans can speak to this and correct me on this if I'm off base.

It seems to me that the weakest link for the Pats on offense or defense is Hobbes. I've watched a lot of Pats games this year, and come to the impression that this guy is just not a good CB. Now, I must be missing something because I'd figure someone would make going after this guy relentlessly until the Pats are forced to adjust a major feature in their offensive game plan, but I haven't seen it happen yet. But this guy doesn't make plays even when he's in position. If I were Norv I'd make finding where that guy is in coverage and going after him priorty 1 on offense, like what happened to that NO DB last year and what Manning did to that Denver DB a couple of years ago. I know it's not a complete offensive game plan by any means, but it seems like a very promising component that could really make things easier for your offense overall.

I have more to say about it, but I'll sit back and see what kind of feed back rolls in on this first.

 
Here's something I've thought about more as the season goes on, and Pats fans can speak to this and correct me on this if I'm off base.It seems to me that the weakest link for the Pats on offense or defense is Hobbes. I've watched a lot of Pats games this year, and come to the impression that this guy is just not a good CB. Now, I must be missing something because I'd figure someone would make going after this guy relentlessly until the Pats are forced to adjust a major feature in their offensive game plan, but I haven't seen it happen yet. But this guy doesn't make plays even when he's in position. If I were Norv I'd make finding where that guy is in coverage and going after him priorty 1 on offense, like what happened to that NO DB last year and what Manning did to that Denver DB a couple of years ago. I know it's not a complete offensive game plan by any means, but it seems like a very promising component that could really make things easier for your offense overall.I have more to say about it, but I'll sit back and see what kind of feed back rolls in on this first.
Ellis Hobbs plays way off the receiver, so you've probably seen a ton of catches made in front of him. He's not as bad as New Orleans' Fred(?) Thomas and that Denver CB Manning and Wayne torched in the playoffs because those guys were toast while Hobbs rarely gets beat deep. However, he should be the targeted CB when gameplanning against the Pats. He's also short so big WRs tend to get the better of him and he's not the surest tackler, often going for the big hit instead of wrapping up. It's not uncommon to see him come up in run support and lay a lick on the RB, only to bounce off while the RB regathers himself for a few more yards before help arrives.
 
Here's something I've thought about more as the season goes on, and Pats fans can speak to this and correct me on this if I'm off base.It seems to me that the weakest link for the Pats on offense or defense is Hobbes. I've watched a lot of Pats games this year, and come to the impression that this guy is just not a good CB. Now, I must be missing something because I'd figure someone would make going after this guy relentlessly until the Pats are forced to adjust a major feature in their offensive game plan, but I haven't seen it happen yet. But this guy doesn't make plays even when he's in position. If I were Norv I'd make finding where that guy is in coverage and going after him priorty 1 on offense, like what happened to that NO DB last year and what Manning did to that Denver DB a couple of years ago. I know it's not a complete offensive game plan by any means, but it seems like a very promising component that could really make things easier for your offense overall.I have more to say about it, but I'll sit back and see what kind of feed back rolls in on this first.
Ellis Hobbs plays way off the receiver, so you've probably seen a ton of catches made in front of him. He's not as bad as New Orleans' Fred(?) Thomas and that Denver CB Manning and Wayne torched in the playoffs because those guys were toast while Hobbs rarely gets beat deep. However, he should be the targeted CB when gameplanning against the Pats. He's also short so big WRs tend to get the better of him and he's not the surest tackler, often going for the big hit instead of wrapping up. It's not uncommon to see him come up in run support and lay a lick on the RB, only to bounce off while the RB regathers himself for a few more yards before help arrives.
He has frustrated me as a fan for a couple of years, consistently being soft on outs and curls. However, he has shown decent ball skills and closing speed on deep routes, and often gets good position on down the field patterns. He certainly is the type of corner you'll leave out on an island. Surprisingly, he's not bad in the red zone, from what I recall seeing. How has Hobbs done in coverage against bigger receivers on fade or fade stops, down deep in the RZ? I haven't seen as much Patriots football since I moved away from NE a few years back.
 
Here's something I've thought about more as the season goes on, and Pats fans can speak to this and correct me on this if I'm off base.It seems to me that the weakest link for the Pats on offense or defense is Hobbes. I've watched a lot of Pats games this year, and come to the impression that this guy is just not a good CB. Now, I must be missing something because I'd figure someone would make going after this guy relentlessly until the Pats are forced to adjust a major feature in their offensive game plan, but I haven't seen it happen yet. But this guy doesn't make plays even when he's in position. If I were Norv I'd make finding where that guy is in coverage and going after him priorty 1 on offense, like what happened to that NO DB last year and what Manning did to that Denver DB a couple of years ago. I know it's not a complete offensive game plan by any means, but it seems like a very promising component that could really make things easier for your offense overall.I have more to say about it, but I'll sit back and see what kind of feed back rolls in on this first.
Ellis Hobbs plays way off the receiver, so you've probably seen a ton of catches made in front of him. He's not as bad as New Orleans' Fred(?) Thomas and that Denver CB Manning and Wayne torched in the playoffs because those guys were toast while Hobbs rarely gets beat deep. However, he should be the targeted CB when gameplanning against the Pats. He's also short so big WRs tend to get the better of him and he's not the surest tackler, often going for the big hit instead of wrapping up. It's not uncommon to see him come up in run support and lay a lick on the RB, only to bounce off while the RB regathers himself for a few more yards before help arrives.
:thumbup: This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not that I'm expecting him to get beat deep, I just think you can go after him with near impunity and expect success until he gets some serious help. Like I said I've seen him fail even when he was in good position - not making plays on the ball, and dropping what should have been easy interceptions several times. With the physical receivers the Chargers have in Jackson, Chambers, Naanee, Gates (if he plays much) they should be able to pick on Hobbs. Problem is Norv's changed the offense and doesn't run much short stuff. I hope he makes the adjustment. The Chargers need any advantage they can get, and I think they (and any of the teams remaining in the playoffs) have an exploitable advantage here.
 
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Here's something I've thought about more as the season goes on, and Pats fans can speak to this and correct me on this if I'm off base.

It seems to me that the weakest link for the Pats on offense or defense is Hobbes. I've watched a lot of Pats games this year, and come to the impression that this guy is just not a good CB. Now, I must be missing something because I'd figure someone would make going after this guy relentlessly until the Pats are forced to adjust a major feature in their offensive game plan, but I haven't seen it happen yet. But this guy doesn't make plays even when he's in position. If I were Norv I'd make finding where that guy is in coverage and going after him priorty 1 on offense, like what happened to that NO DB last year and what Manning did to that Denver DB a couple of years ago. I know it's not a complete offensive game plan by any means, but it seems like a very promising component that could really make things easier for your offense overall.

I have more to say about it, but I'll sit back and see what kind of feed back rolls in on this first.
Ellis Hobbs plays way off the receiver, so you've probably seen a ton of catches made in front of him. He's not as bad as New Orleans' Fred(?) Thomas and that Denver CB Manning and Wayne torched in the playoffs because those guys were toast while Hobbs rarely gets beat deep. However, he should be the targeted CB when gameplanning against the Pats. He's also short so big WRs tend to get the better of him and he's not the surest tackler, often going for the big hit instead of wrapping up. It's not uncommon to see him come up in run support and lay a lick on the RB, only to bounce off while the RB regathers himself for a few more yards before help arrives.
:rolleyes: This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not that I'm expecting him to get beat deep, I just think you can go after him with near impunity and expect success until he gets some serious help. Like I said I've seen him fail even when he was in good position - not making plays on the ball, and dropping what should have been easy interceptions several times. With the physical receivers the Chargers have in Jackson, Chambers, Naanee, Gates (if he plays much) they should be able to pick on Hobbs. Problem is Norv's changed the offense and doesn't run much short stuff. I hope he makes the adjustment. The Chargers need any advantage they can get, and I think they (and any of the teams remaining in the playoffs) have an exploitable advantage here.
Hobbs is'nt even healthy so he may only play in nickel situations. Randall Gay may be in there in his place. I think Hobbs is a decent player. Definitely not a huge weak link that teams try to exploit. They do tend to throw to his side a lot more because of Samuel but I would tend to say Hobbs is a little underrated and Samuels is actually a little overrated. Hobbs is a great kickoff returner as well and he will be missed in that department if his groin is still a problem.Edited to add some stats on Hobbs:

· ***Opposing teams threw at cornerback Ellis Hobbs 106 times, ranking him 13th in the NFL. Seattle’s Marcus Trufant led the league, as he was thrown at 133 times.

· *** Receivers Hobbs covered scored four touchdowns. There were 44 defensive backs in the league that gave up more touchdowns than Hobbs, including teammate Asante Samuel, who surrrendered six. Denver’s Dre’ Bly and New Orleans’ Jason David led the league by giving up 10 touchdowns.

· *** Of the 106 passes thrown at Hobbs, receivers caught 58 of those passes, making quarterbacks successful 54.7 percent of the time when throwing at the Pats’ defender. Among the defenders that were thrown on at least 30 times this season, 156 NFL defenders were less successful than Hobbs (the receivers they covered caught a higher percentage of passes). As a comparison with Samuel, receivers caught the ball 53.2 percent of the time (50-94).
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Those are interesting stats on Hobbs.

Here's one I find most interesting. He had 1 INT this year. Samuel had 6.

That's part of what I'm talking about. The completion % is somewhat interesting, but all it tells me is that he's in the ball park for average performance. The low INT number, in the context of how often he's thrown at, backs up my feeling that he doesn't make plays in coverage, which is also what I've seen when watching.

His 63 tackles put him in a 6 way tie for 66th most among DBs - also a low number considering how often he's thrown at, which speaks to pats3in4's point about his tackling not being so great.

I still see him as being an exploitable soft spot in an excellent defense.

Put it this way, if Bellichick were coaching against the Pats D, I guarantee you a big part of the game plan on offense would revolve around making Hobbs's life a living hell.

 
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Those are interesting stats on Hobbs.Here's one I find most interesting. He had 1 INT this year. Samuel had 6.That's part of what I'm talking about. The completion % is somewhat interesting, but all it tells me is that he's in the ball park for average performance. The low INT number, in the context of how often he's thrown at, backs up my feeling that he doesn't make plays in coverage, which is also what I've seen when watching.His 63 put him in a 6 way tie for 66th most among DBs - also a low number considering how often he's thrown at, which speaks to pats3in4's point about his tackling not being so great.I still see him as being an exploitable soft spot in an excellent defense.
Hobbs completion percentage against is not average. it is excellent. The most exploitable part of the Patriots IMO is Bruschi and Seau in coverage. they have trouble covering a Running back or TE. the Gates injury really hurts SD in this case. As for Samuel and Hobbs. Samuel obviously covers the number 1 guy so his stats would naturally lowered because of that. I thought Hobbs did a great job against Reggie Wayne last year in the playoffs. He was called for a penalty that the NFL later admitted was the wrong call. If you remember, it was Indys Tight ends that really killed the patriots. And this season it was addai catching balls out of the backfield that really killed the pats.
 
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Those are interesting stats on Hobbs.Here's one I find most interesting. He had 1 INT this year. Samuel had 6.That's part of what I'm talking about. The completion % is somewhat interesting, but all it tells me is that he's in the ball park for average performance. The low INT number, in the context of how often he's thrown at, backs up my feeling that he doesn't make plays in coverage, which is also what I've seen when watching.His 63 put him in a 6 way tie for 66th most among DBs - also a low number considering how often he's thrown at, which speaks to pats3in4's point about his tackling not being so great.I still see him as being an exploitable soft spot in an excellent defense.
Hobbs completion percentage against is not average. it is excellent. The most exploitable part of the Patriots IMO is Bruschi and Seau in coverage. they have trouble covering a Running back or TE. the Gates injury really hurts SD in this case. As for Samuel and Hobbs. Samuel obviously covers the number 1 guy so his stats would naturally lowered because of that. I thought Hobbs did a great job against Reggie Wayne last year in the playoffs. He was called for a penalty that the NFL later admitted was the wrong call. If you remember, it was Indys Tight ends that really killed the patriots. And this season it was addai catching balls out of the backfield that really killed the pats.
I wonder if Norv would think about using Nannee as a flex TE to take advantage of that. I heard on Sirius they plan to use him more this game. He had a nice play last week. I could see Sproles and Nannee get some more play time. Interesting if BB will plan for that....
 
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Those are interesting stats on Hobbs.

Here's one I find most interesting. He had 1 INT this year. Samuel had 6.

That's part of what I'm talking about. The completion % is somewhat interesting, but all it tells me is that he's in the ball park for average performance. The low INT number, in the context of how often he's thrown at, backs up my feeling that he doesn't make plays in coverage, which is also what I've seen when watching.

His 63 put him in a 6 way tie for 66th most among DBs - also a low number considering how often he's thrown at, which speaks to pats3in4's point about his tackling not being so great.

I still see him as being an exploitable soft spot in an excellent defense.
Hobbs completion percentage against is not average. it is excellent. The most exploitable part of the Patriots IMO is Bruschi and Seau in coverage. they have trouble covering a Running back or TE. the Gates injury really hurts SD in this case.

As for Samuel and Hobbs. Samuel obviously covers the number 1 guy so his stats would naturally lowered because of that. I thought Hobbs did a great job against Reggie Wayne last year in the playoffs. He was called for a penalty that the NFL later admitted was the wrong call. If you remember, it was Indys Tight ends that really killed the patriots. And this season it was addai catching balls out of the backfield that really killed the pats.
The bold part isn't true. Samuel plays LCB and Hobbs RCB and cover whoever lines up opposite them. They almost never switch sides (I'd say never, but maybe I've forgotten some instances where they did). If the best WR happens to line up opposite Samuel, he'll take him one-on-one more often than not. If the best WR lines up opposite Hobbs, he'll play way off in one-on-one to avoid anything deep or he'll play bump-and-run with safety help behind him.That being said, one of my predictions for a "Pats playbook surprise" this postseason is that Hobbs and Samuel will switch sides to match Samuel on the top WR. I thought the Pats were saving this for Indy to put Samuel on Wayne since Wayne lines up opposite RCB most of the time. With Indy out of the picture, either BB will reveal it now or save it for SB42 vs. Plaxico or Jennings if he doesn't think the San Diego WRs are dangerous enough to merit such a change.

 
Those are interesting stats on Hobbs.

Here's one I find most interesting. He had 1 INT this year. Samuel had 6.

That's part of what I'm talking about. The completion % is somewhat interesting, but all it tells me is that he's in the ball park for average performance. The low INT number, in the context of how often he's thrown at, backs up my feeling that he doesn't make plays in coverage, which is also what I've seen when watching.

His 63 put him in a 6 way tie for 66th most among DBs - also a low number considering how often he's thrown at, which speaks to pats3in4's point about his tackling not being so great.

I still see him as being an exploitable soft spot in an excellent defense.
Hobbs completion percentage against is not average. it is excellent. The most exploitable part of the Patriots IMO is Bruschi and Seau in coverage. they have trouble covering a Running back or TE. the Gates injury really hurts SD in this case.

As for Samuel and Hobbs. Samuel obviously covers the number 1 guy so his stats would naturally lowered because of that. I thought Hobbs did a great job against Reggie Wayne last year in the playoffs. He was called for a penalty that the NFL later admitted was the wrong call. If you remember, it was Indys Tight ends that really killed the patriots. And this season it was addai catching balls out of the backfield that really killed the pats.
I wonder if Norv would think about using Nannee as a flex TE to take advantage of that. I heard on Sirius they plan to use him more this game. He had a nice play last week. I could see Sproles and Nannee get some more play time. Interesting if BB will plan for that....
Sproles scares the crap out of me because he's a matchup nightmare. The moment he caught that pass and made the first guy miss, I said right there "He's gone!" That was before the last Colt was left in the dust.
 
Those are interesting stats on Hobbs.

Here's one I find most interesting. He had 1 INT this year. Samuel had 6.

That's part of what I'm talking about. The completion % is somewhat interesting, but all it tells me is that he's in the ball park for average performance. The low INT number, in the context of how often he's thrown at, backs up my feeling that he doesn't make plays in coverage, which is also what I've seen when watching.

His 63 put him in a 6 way tie for 66th most among DBs - also a low number considering how often he's thrown at, which speaks to pats3in4's point about his tackling not being so great.

I still see him as being an exploitable soft spot in an excellent defense.
Hobbs completion percentage against is not average. it is excellent. The most exploitable part of the Patriots IMO is Bruschi and Seau in coverage. they have trouble covering a Running back or TE. the Gates injury really hurts SD in this case.

As for Samuel and Hobbs. Samuel obviously covers the number 1 guy so his stats would naturally lowered because of that. I thought Hobbs did a great job against Reggie Wayne last year in the playoffs. He was called for a penalty that the NFL later admitted was the wrong call. If you remember, it was Indys Tight ends that really killed the patriots. And this season it was addai catching balls out of the backfield that really killed the pats.
I wonder if Norv would think about using Nannee as a flex TE to take advantage of that. I heard on Sirius they plan to use him more this game. He had a nice play last week. I could see Sproles and Nannee get some more play time. Interesting if BB will plan for that....
Sproles scares the crap out of me because he's a matchup nightmare. The moment he caught that pass and made the first guy miss, I said right there "He's gone!" That was before the last Colt was left in the dust.
That screen was designed for LT obviously. Norv said he just ran it for Sproles (rather then Turner) because of the speed. I think Sproles looked way faster then LT once he hit the corner....
 
Here's something I've thought about more as the season goes on, and Pats fans can speak to this and correct me on this if I'm off base.

It seems to me that the weakest link for the Pats on offense or defense is Hobbes. I've watched a lot of Pats games this year, and come to the impression that this guy is just not a good CB. Now, I must be missing something because I'd figure someone would make going after this guy relentlessly until the Pats are forced to adjust a major feature in their offensive game plan, but I haven't seen it happen yet. But this guy doesn't make plays even when he's in position. If I were Norv I'd make finding where that guy is in coverage and going after him priorty 1 on offense, like what happened to that NO DB last year and what Manning did to that Denver DB a couple of years ago. I know it's not a complete offensive game plan by any means, but it seems like a very promising component that could really make things easier for your offense overall.

I have more to say about it, but I'll sit back and see what kind of feed back rolls in on this first.
Ellis Hobbs plays way off the receiver, so you've probably seen a ton of catches made in front of him. He's not as bad as New Orleans' Fred(?) Thomas and that Denver CB Manning and Wayne torched in the playoffs because those guys were toast while Hobbs rarely gets beat deep. However, he should be the targeted CB when gameplanning against the Pats. He's also short so big WRs tend to get the better of him and he's not the surest tackler, often going for the big hit instead of wrapping up. It's not uncommon to see him come up in run support and lay a lick on the RB, only to bounce off while the RB regathers himself for a few more yards before help arrives.
:shrug: This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not that I'm expecting him to get beat deep, I just think you can go after him with near impunity and expect success until he gets some serious help. Like I said I've seen him fail even when he was in good position - not making plays on the ball, and dropping what should have been easy interceptions several times. With the physical receivers the Chargers have in Jackson, Chambers, Naanee, Gates (if he plays much) they should be able to pick on Hobbs. Problem is Norv's changed the offense and doesn't run much short stuff. I hope he makes the adjustment. The Chargers need any advantage they can get, and I think they (and any of the teams remaining in the playoffs) have an exploitable advantage here.
:confused: on the bolded part. Maybe you're thinking Brandon Meriweather. I can't think of many instances where Hobbs dropped surefire INTs. The rest is pretty much correct as Hobbs usually is playing too deep to come back and make a play on the ball. He is a target, that's for sure.
 
Those are interesting stats on Hobbs.Here's one I find most interesting. He had 1 INT this year. Samuel had 6.That's part of what I'm talking about. The completion % is somewhat interesting, but all it tells me is that he's in the ball park for average performance. The low INT number, in the context of how often he's thrown at, backs up my feeling that he doesn't make plays in coverage, which is also what I've seen when watching.His 63 put him in a 6 way tie for 66th most among DBs - also a low number considering how often he's thrown at, which speaks to pats3in4's point about his tackling not being so great.I still see him as being an exploitable soft spot in an excellent defense.
Hobbs completion percentage against is not average. it is excellent. The most exploitable part of the Patriots IMO is Bruschi and Seau in coverage. they have trouble covering a Running back or TE. the Gates injury really hurts SD in this case. As for Samuel and Hobbs. Samuel obviously covers the number 1 guy so his stats would naturally lowered because of that. I thought Hobbs did a great job against Reggie Wayne last year in the playoffs. He was called for a penalty that the NFL later admitted was the wrong call. If you remember, it was Indys Tight ends that really killed the patriots. And this season it was addai catching balls out of the backfield that really killed the pats.
I wonder if Norv would think about using Nannee as a flex TE to take advantage of that. I heard on Sirius they plan to use him more this game. He had a nice play last week. I could see Sproles and Nannee get some more play time. Interesting if BB will plan for that....
I think involving Nannee in the game plan significantly would be a very good move by Norv. The kid has looked great to me this year every time he's been given an opportunity.
 
:goodposting: on the bolded part. Maybe you're thinking Brandon Meriweather. I can't think of many instances where Hobbs dropped surefire INTs. The rest is pretty much correct as Hobbs usually is playing too deep to come back and make a play on the ball. He is a target, that's for sure.
No I meant Hobbs. I can think of at least three plays I saw this year where he got himself into position to make the INT, the ball hit him in the hands and he stone cold dropped it. It's one of the main things that lead me to believe somebody should build a game plan around working that guy over non-stop until they make an adjustment.
 
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS (13-5) at NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (17-0)

Gillette Stadium (68,756) – Foxborough, Massachusetts

Sunday, January 20, 2008 – 3:00 p.m. EST (12 noon PST)

Fresh off a hard-fought 28-24 win over the defending Super Bowl Champion Indianapolis Colts in the last NFL game ever played in the RCA Dome, the San Diego Chargers, winners of eight in a row, will travel to Foxborough, Massachusetts to take on the three-time World Champion and undefeated New England Patriots in the 2007 AFC Championship Game. The Chargers and Patriots will play for the Lamar Hunt Trophy and the right to represent the AFC in Super Bowl XLII in Glendale, Arizona. Kickoff from Gillette Stadium is set for 3:05 p.m. EST on Sunday, Jan. 20.

The Chargers and Patriots have a long and storied history in both the regular season and the postseason. It goes back to 1963 when the Chargers defeated the Boston Patriots, 51-10, in the 1963 AFL Championship Game. Decades later it continued, with the Chargers defeating the Pats in 2002 and again in 2005 during the regular season the year after New England won the Super Bowl. The latter, a 41-17 win in Foxboro in 2005, ended New England’s NFL-record 21-game home winning streak. The most recent memorable game in the series however is the Patriots’ 24-21 win in the 2006 Divisional Playoffs that knocked the topseeded Chargers from the playoffs after the Bolts had won a team-record 14 games during the regular season.

This year, the Chargers finished the regular season 11-5 and defeated the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Wild Card Playoffs and the Colts in the Divisional Round to reach Sunday’s AFC Championship Game. San Diego will play in the Championship Game for the first time since 1994. Coincidentally, 1994 was also the last time that the Bolts finished the regular season 11-5. That year, the Bolts defeated Miami in the Divisional Playoffs and they beat Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game before advancing to face the San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl XXIX in Miami, Florida.

While the Patriots come in undefeated (17-0), the Chargers have won eight straight and 12 of their last 14. Their eight-game win streak is the NFL’s second-longest behind New England’s (17) and their 46 wins in the last four years (reg. season) are the third most in the NFL behind only the Patriots (52) and the Colts (51).

WHAT TO LOOK FOR - DEFENSE

• Antonio Cromartie…”Cro,” the Chargers’ 2006 first-round draft choice out of Florida State, finished the year as the NFL’s leader with 10 interceptions…Cromartie, who had a career-high three picks off Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning in an NBC Sunday Night Football game on Nov. 11 at Qualcomm Stadium, picked off Manning again in last Sunday’s Divisional Playoff Game at the RCA Dome…he returned that pick 89 yards for an apparent touchdown, but a holding penalty behind the return negated the score…Cromartie still posted a 30-yard return following the pick…including that SNF game against the Colts, Cromartie had three multi-pick games during the season.

• Cromartie had another big defensive play in the Indy game, forcing a fumble while tackling Marvin Harrison after a catch…safety Marlon McCree recovered the fumble and the Bolts’ offense responded with a 78-yard touchdown drive that tied the game, 7-7.

• Thanks in part to their prowess in forcing turnovers, San Diego’s defense led the NFL in opponent passer rating (70.0) during the regular season…it was the first time the Chargers have ever led the NFL in that category…the Bolts will be challenged on Sunday by the Patriots’ Tom Brady, whose 123.0 passer rating when the teams met in September was the secondhighest posted against San Diego’s defense this season…the Bolts’ defense has had good success against Brady in recent meetings, holding him to a 57.6 rating in last year’s AFC Playoff Game, a 78.1 rating when the Chargers and Pats met at Gillette Stadium in 2005 and an 83.3 rating in the ’02 game at Qualcomm Stadium…the Bolts won two of those three games…Brady’s career rating vs. the Chargers (85.0) is nearly eight points below his career passer rating (92.9), which happens to rank fourth all-time in NFL history.

• Sunday’s game features the NFL’s top two ball-hawking defenses…the Chargers (+24) and Patriots (+18) ranked 1st and 3rd, respectively, in turnover margin during the regular season…it was the first time since 1993 that the Chargers led the NFL in turnover ratio…that trend has continued in the playoffs as the Chargers’ +3 turnover margin ranks first, ahead of the Patriots’ +2 ledger.

• During the regular season, the Bolts also ranked first in takeaways (48) and interceptions (30)…it was the first time a Chargers team ever led the NFL in either category…the Chargers scored 128 pts off turnovers in the regular season, second-most in the NFL…San Diego’s 48 takeaways in 2007 were the most in the NFL since Baltimore had 49 in 2000.

• In winning eight in a row, the Chargers have held five of their eight opponents to less than 300 yards of total offense, including Tennessee (248 yards) in the Wild Card Playoffs on Jan. 6.

• The Chargers are playing some of the best run defense in the NFL today…dating back to their game against Indianapolis on Nov. 11, the Chargers have allowed five rushing touchdowns (in 10 games) and no team has rushed for more than 131 yards…in those 10 games, the Chargers are 9-1 and they are only allowing 87.5 ypg on the ground…New England averaged 115.6 yards per game on the ground this season but in four of their last seven games, they’ve failed to rush for more than 100…in the first meeting this season, the Chargers were outrushed by the Patriots, 144-52.

• Shawne Merriman has eight sacks in the Chargers’ last eight games…what initially was ruled a sack in the Chargers’ win over Indianapolis on Sunday, was later changed to a six-yard tackle for loss…Merriman finished the Colts’ game with two tackles for loss.

• In his last two games against the Patriots, Merriman has turned in big efforts…he recorded two sacks and a tackle for loss when the teams met this September and he had a third sack in last season’s AFC Divisional Playoff game…Merriman’s multi-sack game against the Patriots in September was one of four he recorded this season…three of those four were in road games (at New England, at Kansas City and at Tennessee).

• Since the Chargers selected Merriman in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft, his 39.5 sacks and the Chargers’ 149 team sacks are the most in the NFL…Merriman has led the team in sacks each of his three seasons in San Diego: (10 in 2005; 17 in 2006 and 12.5 in 2007)…as a team this year, the Chargers had the fifth-most sacks in the league (42)…last year, the Bolts led the NFL and had the second-most in team history (60).

• A native of Wareham, Massachusetts, linebacker Stephen Cooper is one of the key cogs in the Chargers’ defense…Cooper has recorded double-digit tackle totals in 15 of the Bolts’ 18 games during the regular season and playoffs…”Coop” racked up 12 stops when the Chargers and Pats met in September and last Sunday at the RCA Dome, he racked up a team-high 16 (according to press box statistics) vs. the Colts…Cooper was the Bolts’ team leader this season with 179 tackles.

• Defensive end Igor Olshansky capped off the finest season of his career with his first-ever interception in the ’07 season finale at Oakland…he finished the regular season with a career-high and defensive-line-leading 69 tackles, 19 more than his previous high (50) from last season…he also set a career-high with 3.5 sacks and tied Shaun Phillips for the team lead with three forced fumbles.

• Safety Clinton Hart finished the regular season on a roll with two interceptions in the season’s final three games…he had a potential sixth interception just barely get away from him in the Bolts’ Wild Card Playoff game against the Titans…Hart had a career year for the Bolts, finishing the season with career highs in tackles (109) and interceptions (five), and also recording his first sack since 2003…Hart recorded his 100th tackle in the regular-season finale at Oakland.

WHAT TO LOOK FOR – SPECIAL TEAMS

• Despite being named a first alternate, Mike Scifres had another Pro Bowl-caliber season for the Chargers…his 46.1 average was the second-highest ever recorded in team history behind Darren Bennett (46.2 in 2000).

• Scifres is coming off a monster playoff game at Indianapolis that saw him set a new team record by averaging 59.0 yards per punt…it shattered the previous mark of 54.5 yards set by Darren Bennett against the Colts in 1995…Scifres saved his best for last, hitting a postseason team-record 66-yarder with the Bolts backed up at their own 14-yard line and only 1:42 left in the fourth quarter…kicking from his own goal line, Scifres punt was fielded back at the Colts’ 20…it fired up the entire sideline and the defense promptly went out and ended the Colts season on downs four plays later, sending the Chargers to Sunday’s AFC title game in Foxborough.

• All season, Scifres gave opponents a long field to work with, landing 36 of his punts inside the 20, second-most in the NFL…Scifres finished the regular season as the NFL’s third-leading punter in terms of net average (39.6), narrowly missing out on becoming only the second punter in team history to post a season net average of 40.0+…Dennis Partee (40.6 in 1971) is the only punter in team history to finish a season with a net average of 40.0+…Scifres had only 29 punts returned this season, fourth-fewest among the league’s Top 25 punters…six times this season, opponents had either zero or negative punt return yards against the Chargers – Chicago (0), Kansas City (0), Oakland (0), Indy (-5), Baltimore (0), Detroit (0) and Denver (0).

• Scifres punted the ball well the last time the Chargers faced the Patriots in September…he averaged 49.6 yards per punt, his fifth-highest average of the season, but two of his punts did go into the end zone for touchbacks, the most he had in a game this season…the Patriots only returned two of his punts for 13 total yards.

• Scifres has hit at least one 60-yard punt in eight of the Chargers’ last 12 games, including playoffs…he hit a season-long 70 yarder Nov. 25 against Baltimore.

WHAT TO LOOK FOR - OFFENSE

• The San Diego Chargers’ passing game has come to life in the postseason behind the right arm of Philip Rivers and the outstanding hands of wide receivers Chris Chambers and Vincent Jackson…Rivers comes into Sunday’s AFC Championship Game as the NFL’s fourth-leading passer in the postseason with a rating of 115.7…his counterpart from New England, Tom Brady, is leading the league in postseason passer rating (141.4)…Rivers has thrown for 292 yards (vs. Tennessee) and 264 yards (at Indianapolis) in the playoffs with four touchdowns and a pair of interceptions…his completion percentage is a steady 67%.

• Where Rivers has really shined however is on third downs…he’s 16 of 20 for 264 yards (16.5 yards per completion) with a touchdown for a 135.4 rating, tied with Brady for the NFL lead…last Sunday before he left the Indianapolis game with a knee injury, Rivers made several big third down throws…he completed his first touchdown pass of the game to Jackson on a third-and-eight play and also during that drive, he completed a nine-yarder to “Jax” on a third-and-five and an 18-yarder to Chambers on a third-and-eight…he also got the Chargers out of a huge hole on a third-down play late in the third quarter, hitting Chambers again, this time for 22 yards on a third-and-14 play that set up a 56-yard touchdown catch-and-run by Darren Sproles, which put the Bolts up 21-17.

• Rivers numbers during the Chargers’ eight-game winning streak are sensational…he’s completed 133 of 214 (.621) for 1,656 yards with 14 TDs and only five INTs for a rating of 98.2, nearly 16 points higher than his cumulative season rating (82.4)…Rivers’ career passer rating in the regular season (86.6) is the highest in team history (min. 500 pass attempts).

• Jackson has come up huge for the Chargers in the playoffs, catching touchdown passes in back-to-back games for only the second time in his career…his 14-yard touchdown catch last Sunday in Indianapolis, in which he out-jumped two defenders in the back of the end zone, gave the Chargers their first points of the game…Jackson, who had his first-career 100-yard game in the Bolts’ Wild Card game against Tennessee, backed it up with a 93-yard effort last Sunday at the RCA Dome…his 12 catches in the postseason lead the NFL and he (207) and Chambers (188) rank 1-2 in receiving yards.

• Just like Rivers, Jackson too has been at his best on third down…he’s racked up an NFL-leading six third down catches for 113 yards (18.8 ypc)…his TD on Sunday against the Colts was on a third-and-eight play and during that drive, he helped move the chains earlier with a nice nine-yard grab on a third-and-five.

• For only the second time this year, a pair of Chargers’ wide receivers had TD catches in the same game as Chambers backed up Jackson’s TD catch in Indy with one of his own…while Jax beat two defenders in the air, Chambers beat two down the sideline, catching a 30-yard TD pass from Rivers on the opening drive of the third quarter…it was Chambers’ third TD catch in the last four weeks.

• Chambers is very familiar with the Patriots, having faced New England twice a year during his first six seasons with the Dolphins…his 48 catches vs. N.E. were the most he had against AFC East opponents as he scored five TDs and registered 493 yards, averaging 10.3 yards per catch.

• Chambers has at least two catches in every game since joining the Chargers in an Oct. trade from Miami and the Bolts are 10-2 since his arrival…he’s averaged 16.9 ypc since joining the Bolts and in his playoff debut in the Wild Card round against Tennessee, he had a monster, six-catch, 121-yard effort to lead all players…he went over the 100-yard mark on a 39-yard catch on a third-and-10 play during the touchdown drive in which the Bolts scored their final points in the 17-6 win.

• Chambers’ 44 catches since he joined the Bolts (prior to Week 7) are the most on the team.

• LaDainian Tomlinson is looking for his second-consecutive 100-yard playoff game against the Patriots…last January, Tomlinson went for 123 yards and a pair of TDs in New England’s 24-21 win over the Bolts…Tomlinson has faced the Patriots five times during his career and fared well, rushing for over 100 yards and two touchdowns in three of the five games…this included his first-ever 200-yard game, when he rushed for 217 and a pair of scores in a 21-14 win over the defending Super Bowl Champion Patriots in 2002…his longest run in that game was a 58-yard touchdown jaunt…speaking of 58, in addition to his 123 yards on the ground in last year’s playoff game, Tomlinson also had a 58-yard catch against the Pats, which was his longest catch of the year.

• Tomlinson finished the regular season with over 100 yards rushing in four of the last five games.

• Tomlinson has scored nine touchdowns (seven rushing and two receiving) in the Chargers’ last seven games…he finished the 2007 season leading the NFL with 15 rushing TDs.

• The Chargers offensive line, featuring starters Jeromey Clary, Mike Goff, Nick Hardwick, Kris Dielman and Marcus McNeill, has given up only four sacks in the last five games, while opening holes for the team’s running backs to rush for 640 yards (128.0 ypg), including a season-high 274 against Detroit Dec. 16…in last Sunday’s Divisional Playoffs, the line didn’t allow a single sack in 23 passing plays and in the two playoff games combined, they’ve only allowed one sack in 54 passing plays…in 12 games this season, including playoffs, the Chargers have given up zero or one sack and three times they rushed for over 200 yards…in the regular season, the Chargers’ offensive line only allowed 24 sacks, tied for eighth-fewest in the league.

REVENGE FACTOR

For the second time this year, the Chargers will be looking for revenge against the team that knocked it out of the 2006 NFL Playoffs. Since the NFL switched to its current playoff format, the Chargers have faced the team that knocked it out of the playoffs the previous season six times, including September’s meeting against the Pats. The Bolts are 5-1 in those “revenge” games with the lone loss coming to New England in Week 2. A look at the five previous revenge games is below.

• After being knocked out of the 1980 AFL Championship Game by the Oakland Raiders, the Chargers returned the favor by beating the Raiders twice in 1981 (55-21 in Oakland and 23-10 in San Diego)

• After falling to Cincinnati in the 1981 “Ice Bowl” AFC Championship Game, the Bolts exacted revenge late in the 1982 season with a 50-34 win over the Bengals.

• In 1992, the Miami Dolphins put the Chargers out of the playoffs in the Divisional Round, but a year later, the Bolts took out their frustration with a 45-20 win.

• And in 2005, the Chargers got their revenge against the New York Jets, winning 31-26 at Giants Stadium after the Jets had dashed the Chargers’ 2004 playoff dreams by upsetting the Bolts at Qualcomm Stadium.

The 2007 playoffs have all been “revenge-type” games for the Chargers. In the Wild Card round, San Diego faced the same Tennessee Titans team that it faced in Nashville in Week 13. The Bolts won the regular-season meeting, 23-17 in overtime, and the playoff game, 17-6. Then last week in the Divisional Playoff round, the Bolts faced the same Indianapolis team that they defeated in Week 10, winning then, 23-21, and again in last Sunday’s playoff affair, 28-24. Sunday’s matchup with the Patriots will be the Bolts’ third non-divisional rematch game of the season. Looking ahead on the NFC side (Packers vs. Giants), the Chargers did face Green Bay, losing to the Packers 31-24 this season in Week 3.

CHARGERS-PATRIOTS SERIES HISTORY

The Chargers and Patriots, two of the original members of the American Football League, have faced each other 33 times in the regular season and Sunday will mark the third postseason meeting between the two clubs. New England leads the all-time series 19-14-2 and holds a 10-8-1 edge in games that were played in Boston. The Patriots have won the last two meetings, including a 38-14 win in Week 2 of the regular season and last January’s 24-21 victory in the Divisional Playoffs. Two years ago, the Chargers knocked off the Patriots at Gillette Stadium to halt New England’s NFL-record 21-game home win streak.

CHARGERS-PATRIOTS CONNECTIONS

• Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith was a part-time scout with the Patriots from 1978-1980…Smith hails from Warwick, Rhode Island and played wide receiver for the semipro Attleboro (Mass.) Kings of the Eastern Football League…special teams coach Steve Crosby coached special teams and tight ends for the Patriots in 1990…Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer Jim Steeg is a Boston native.

• Chargers defensive end Jacques Cesaire is from Gardner, Mass…linebacker Stephen Cooper is from Wareham, Mass….fullback Andrew Pinnock attended Bloomfield High School in Bloomfield, Conn…quarterbacks coach John Ramsdell is a native of Springfield, Mass and played at Springfield College…wide receiver and Pro Bowl special teamer Kassim Osgood was born in Boston.

• Chargers special teams coach Steve Crosby was on Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick’s staff with the Cleveland Browns from 1991-95…Chargers fullback Lorenzo Neal played for the New York Jets in 1997 when Belichick was the team’s Assistant Head Coach…Chargers inside linebackers coach Ron Rivera coached with Patriots running backs coach Ivan Fears in Chicago...Chargers offensive line coach Jack Henry held the same position in New Orleans when Patriots safety Mel Mitchell played for the Saints…Chargers Head Coach Norv Turner was the head coach of the Oakland Raiders when Pats wide receiver Randy Moss played for the Silver & Black…Chargers defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell and assistant secondary coach Kevin Ross were on staff in Minnesota in 2004, Moss’ final season with the Vikings…Chargers running backs coach Matt Simon coached in Baltimore when Patriots linebacker Adalius Thomas played for the Ravens…Patriots assistant strength and conditioning coach Don Davis and Chargers running back Darren Sproles both hail from Olathe, Kansas…Norv Turner was the Dolphins offensive coordinator when Patriots secondary coach Joe Collier coached Miami’s running backs.

• Chargers tight end Antonio Gates was a student at Kent State when Pats defensive coordinator Dean Pees was the head football coach for the Golden Flashes…Gates, however, did not play football at Kent State.

• The Chargers used a fifth-round selection in the 1994 draft on Patriots safety Rodney Harrison…In nine seasons in San Diego, Harrison intercepted 26 passes, third-best in franchise history, and racked up 21.5 sacks…Patriots linebacker Junior Seau is a native of Oceanside, CA and played 13 seasons for the Chargers…Seau represented the Chargers in a team-record 12-straight Pro Bowls from 1991-2002…tackle Wesley Britt was selected by San Diego in the fifth round of the 2005 draft…Norv Turner was the offensive coordinator in Miami in 2003 when the Dolphins acquired Seau in a trade from the Chargers…Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker joined the Chargers as an undrafted free agent in 2004 and played one game with the Bolts that season…New England tackle Ryan O’Callaghan is from Redding, Calif. and long snapper Lonnie Paxton is from Corona.

• Patriots assistant head coach/offensive line Dante Scarnecchia is originally from Los Angeles, as is tight ends coach Pete Mangurian.

• Patriots guard Stephen Neal is from San Diego and attended San Diego High School.

• The following players were college teammates: Chargers wide receiver Buster Davis and Patriots linebacker Eric Alexander at LSU…Chargers defensive tackle Ryon Bingham and Patriots guard Russ Hochstein at Nebraska…Chargers linebacker Brandon Siler and Patriots wide receiver Chad Jackson at Florida.

2007 TAKEAWAY-GIVEAWAY RATIO

This season, the Chargers led the NFL with 30 interceptions, 48 total takeaways and a +24 turnover ratio. Antonio Cromartie paced the defense, leading the NFL with a team record 10 interceptions. Cromartie returned one of his interceptions 70 yards for a touchdown against Houston. Even more impressive than the touchdown Cromartie scored is the ones that he’s prevented. On Nov. 11 against Indianapolis, Cromatie had an interception in the end zone on a pass intended for Reggie Wayne. The Bolts ended up winning that game by two points. And on Dec. 2 in Kansas City, Cromartie had two interceptions in the end zone, preventing 14 Kansas City points in a game the Chargers won by 14 points, 24-10. Both his interceptions against the Chiefs came while covering veteran receivers, Eddie Kennison and perennial Pro Bowl tight end Tony Gonzalez. Cromartie is in only his second NFL season and he wasn’t even a starter until the team’s Nov. 11 game against Indianapolis. The Bolts recorded at least two takeaways in 16 of the team’s 18 games this season, including playoffs, and have 47 takeaways in the last 15 games.

 
Tomlinson's saying he'll be at or near 100% on Sunday and that he's going full speed in practice today.

Norv's said if they had to have played yesterday Rivers would not have played, Volek has gotten all the snaps in practice, but Rivers is still hopeful he can play Sunday, with no prep time. (This seems like a no win situation).

Lorenzo Neal thinks he'll be ready to play on Sunday.

Merriman missed yesterday's practice with an illness - don't know what it was. That could be a big problem if it lasts through Sunday.

Absolutely no word on Gates. I don't know if no news is good news in this case.

 
Tomlinson's saying he'll be at or near 100% on Sunday and that he's going full speed in practice today.Norv's said if they had to have played yesterday Rivers would not have played, Volek has gotten all the snaps in practice, but Rivers is still hopeful he can play Sunday, with no prep time. (This seems like a no win situation).Lorenzo Neal thinks he'll be ready to play on Sunday.Merriman missed yesterday's practice with an illness - don't know what it was. That could be a big problem if it lasts through Sunday.Absolutely no word on Gates. I don't know if no news is good news in this case.
A lot of the Pats had the flu the week before the game against the colts last season. They were definitely gassed in the 2nd half and could not stop the colts. Merriman is younger so he could probably play through the flu without too much effects if that is what it is.
 
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A lot of the Pats had the flu the week before the game against the colts last season. They were definitely gassed in the 2nd half and could not stop the colts. Merriman is younger so he could probably play through the flu without too much effects if that is what it is.
I think the two main reasons the Pats didn't get to the Super Bowl last year were:1) The pounding they took from the Chargers in the previous game2) Half the team being sickI could see the team literally becoming exhausted through the second half last year.Seems like the Chargers are facing the same scenario themselves this week.
 
A lot of the Pats had the flu the week before the game against the colts last season. They were definitely gassed in the 2nd half and could not stop the colts. Merriman is younger so he could probably play through the flu without too much effects if that is what it is.
I think the two main reasons the Pats didn't get to the Super Bowl last year were:1) The pounding they took from the Chargers in the previous game2) Half the team being sickI could see the team literally becoming exhausted through the second half last year.Seems like the Chargers are facing the same scenario themselves this week.
3) No receivers
 
A lot of the Pats had the flu the week before the game against the colts last season. They were definitely gassed in the 2nd half and could not stop the colts. Merriman is younger so he could probably play through the flu without too much effects if that is what it is.
I think the two main reasons the Pats didn't get to the Super Bowl last year were:1) The pounding they took from the Chargers in the previous game2) Half the team being sickI could see the team literally becoming exhausted through the second half last year.Seems like the Chargers are facing the same scenario themselves this week.
3) No receivers
4) Seymour twisting his ankle in the first half.Note: not disrespecting the Colts; they won straightup.
 
A lot of the Pats had the flu the week before the game against the colts last season. They were definitely gassed in the 2nd half and could not stop the colts. Merriman is younger so he could probably play through the flu without too much effects if that is what it is.
I think the two main reasons the Pats didn't get to the Super Bowl last year were:1) The pounding they took from the Chargers in the previous game2) Half the team being sickI could see the team literally becoming exhausted through the second half last year.Seems like the Chargers are facing the same scenario themselves this week.
3) No receivers
4) Seymour twisting his ankle in the first half.Note: not disrespecting the Colts; they won straightup.
As long as we're clear there's no excuses this year playing a decimated Chargers team... :goodposting:
 
My wife (who knows very little about the NFL, except that I am a Charger fan for 30 years) - "From what I hear, there is no way the Pats lose this weekend"

Me - "It would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of the game"

Wife- "Well, if they (the Chargers) win, you could go to the SuperBowl if you wanted and use our joint account to pay for it"

Me- :shock:

Wife - "Sure, that would be a blast for you"

Me - After the shock......I know it's a sucker bet (she wins if the Pats win since she was being gracious), but c'mon Bolts.......... :thumbup: :cry:

 
DanFouts said:
My wife (who knows very little about the NFL, except that I am a Charger fan for 30 years) - "From what I hear, there is no way the Pats lose this weekend"Me - "It would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of the game"Wife- "Well, if they (the Chargers) win, you could go to the SuperBowl if you wanted and use our joint account to pay for it"Me- :shock: Wife - "Sure, that would be a blast for you"Me - After the shock......I know it's a sucker bet (she wins if the Pats win since she was being gracious), but c'mon Bolts.......... :confused: :no:
As a Pats fan, I can't wish you good luck with this, but major props to the wife for the offer. :thumbup:
 
San Diego's baby-blueprint for victory

Cold, Hard Football Facts for January 17, 2008

(Ed. Note: the author and Chief Troll will join Dennis & Callahan on WEEI 850 AM in Boston Friday at 7:20 a.m. to discuss San Diego’s blueprint to beat New England.)

By Kerry J. Byrne

Cold, Hard Football Facts Mike Brady wanna-be

New England’s opponents this year – not to mention the pigskin “pundits” – have turned into amateur architects over the past few months, searching for the proverbial blueprint to beat the Patriots.

So far the effort has gone as well as O.J.’s quest for the real killers.

The best any team has been able to produce is a blueprint for remaining competitive midway through the fourth quarter. And that blueprint makes for a rickety row-house on Victory Lane.

The best the “pundits” have produced are a list of meaningless and misguided clichés about “aging” linebackers or a “vulnerable” defense. And that argument is imploded by the dynamite of actual evidence. The Patriots, for example, surrendered 288.3 YPG this season, the fewest by a New England team since 1979, while giving up just 8.4 second-half points per game (despite surrendering a lot of garbage-time points while sporting large second-half leads).

But leave it to the I.M. Pei of pigskin, the Cold, Hard Football Facts, to secure the necessary blueprints for beating New England.

The blueprint we uncovered tells us that if any team can complete the job, it’s the Chargers. Let’s call it San Diego’s baby-blueprint to beat New England, in honor of the pigskin-pastel of their alternative togs.

Despite their slow start, the Chargers proved to be one of the most statistically dominant teams in the NFL this year. If you size them up across the board in our Quality Stats, only New England and Green Bay were stronger, and the margin between the three was so slim that O.J.’s buddies use it to jimmy open doors in Vegas hotel rooms.

* The Patriots ranked an average of 4.44 in our nine Quality Stats

* The Packers ranked an average of 4.56 in our nine Quality Stats

* The Chargers ranked an average of 4.67 in our nine Quality Stats

The Chargers topped the entire NFL in three of our nine Quality Stats. Only New England itself led the league in more categories (four).

San Diego’s statistical dominance offers us a pretty definitive guide to why the Chargers can beat the Patriots. We didn’t say will beat the Patriots; we said can beat the Patriots.

And, certainly, the injuries to key San Diego players Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates and LaDainian Tomlinson (none of whom practiced Wednesday), can shatter the best-laid plans. But if the Chargers do win, only the Cold, Hard Football Facts will have outlined the pattern ahead of time.

Baby-blueprint: San Diego boasts the best pass defense in football

The Cold, Hard Football Facts measure pass defenses by Defensive Passer Rating, a “Quality Stat” because it has a direct correlation to winning football games: the top 11 teams in Defensive Passer Rating this year all reached the playoffs.

And the Chargers topped the list, allowing opposing passers a 70.0 rating this year. Their capabilities were most evident in their league-leading 30 picks, eight more than any other team in football. The 2007 Chargers are the first team in franchise history to lead the league in either category, let alone both.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts have proven time and again the devestating effect of interceptions in the playoffs. Teams that throw 0 INTs have won 78.6 of their playoff games in the Super Bowl Era. Teams that throw two or more picks in the playoffs win just 23.5 percent of the time.

We’ve yet to see anybody truly shutdown Tom Brady’s passing attack this year. And, of course, he absolutely shredded San Diego in their first meeting back in Week 2:

* 25 of 31 (80.6%) for 279 yards, 9.0 YPA, 3 TD, 1 INT, 123.0 passer rating.

But these lightning Bolts need only strike once. And if any team in football this year has a shot at humbling New England’s historic attack, it’s San Diego.

Baby-blueprint: San Diego is the top Big Play team in football

The Cold, Hard Football Facts measure each team in its ability to make “Big Plays” on both sides of the ball.

Most NFL contests are wars of attrition in which one or two Big Plays typically prove the difference between victory and defeat (our definition of “Big Plays” can be found here). Our Big Play Index is a hugely important indicator with a high correlation to winning football games.

Teams that won the Big Play battle this year were a remarkable 180-34 (.841). (Forty-two games featured an even Big Play battle.)

The "pundits," of course, once again fail to understand even the most basic concepts of football, such as the omnipotence of Big Plays in the NFL. Their "blueprints" to beat New England typically call for teams to "grind out" those "long drives" and "eat the clock." Not only do these arguments represent lazy, cliche-riddled work, it's the equivalent of calling for a Pickett's Charge of pigskin: ordering an under-equipped army to launch a full front assault over exposed territory against a larger enemy force in an entrenched position.

In other words, the plan preferred by the "pundits" is pure suicide. Their "blueprint" calls for outmanned teams to overpower the Patriots in a war of attrition. Stupid "pundits."

Instead, the baby-blueprint to beat New England calls for gridiron guerilla warfare, a series of quick, unforeseen (and, yes, even lucky) strikes in the Big Play department: the team that beats New England will strike quickly with Big Plays, and at times and places you could not predict.

And no team was better in the Big Play wars this year than San Diego. The Chargers led the league in the number of Big Plays they made (69), eight more than second-place Minnesota. More importantly, the Chargers led the league in Big Play differential (+29), two ahead of second place New England.

All those interceptions, long runs and explosive special teams plays add up to a lot of game-winning moments for the Chargers.

But the Patriots certainly pose a difficult Big Play challenge. They allowed just 28 Big Plays, fewest in the NFL this year.

Baby-blueprint: San Diego is the most efficient team in football

The Cold, Hard Football Facts measure the efficiency of each team’s offense and defense through our Scoreability and Bendability Indices. These Quality Stats have a high correlation to victory because they do not measure offenses and defenses in a vacuum. Instead, they measure how each unit on a team interacts to 1) put points on the board or 2) keep opponents off the scoreboard.

In other words, they are measures of team-wide efficiency.

And no team rated more highly than the Chargers: they defined the “bend-but-don’t break” phenomenon on defense this year, with a No. 1 ranking in our Bendability Index. And they were second only to New England in our Scoreability Index. (It's actually quite a tribute to the widely-criticized Norv Turner that his team played so efficiently in 2007; poorly coached teams never rate highly in these indicators.)

The San Diego defense this year forced opponents to march 18.04 Yards Per Point Scored, or the equivalent of a daunting 126.3 yards for every 7 points they put on the board. It tells us that opponents churned up a lot of empty yards against the Chargers.

The 30 INTs were certainly a big reason why. And the win over Indy last week provided a perfect example of this “bend-don’t-break” efficiency: the Colts cranked out 446 yards of offense, including 402 in the air. But they produced a measly 24 points – a pathetic number relative to the yards they generated. Two red-zone picks by San Diego were a big reason for Indy's lack of efficiency on offense.

The San Diego offense, meanwhile, was highly efficient throughout the year. The Chargers needed just 12.24 Yards Per Point Scored in 2007, or the equivalent 85.7 yards for every 7 points they put on the board. It tells us that the Chargers often find themselves in good scoring position, and then take advantage of those opportunities.

And we don’t want to get any of those “yeah, but” emails that these arguments about scoring efficiency always generate. Yes, special teams and defense have played a large role in San Diego’s scoring opportunities. Yes, we understand that argument. Yes, we understand that other teams were more spectacular on offense, if you compare only the production of those individual offenses.

But that’s the point, folks. The scoreboard does not care where the points come from. The scoreboad does not care that a big kick return gave the offense a short field. The scoreboard does not care if points came off a pick-six instead of a long offensive drive. The scoreboard is a truly egalitarian place: it treats all points equally. And so should football fans.

San Diego’s ability to score efficiently, paired with the most efficient defense in football this year – the one defense that makes opponents work harder than any other to put points on the board – spell out one very dangerous team.

It's a team that clearly offers a blueprint to topple the Patriots powerhouse.

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Current weather reports out of Foxboro... highs around 20, 20-25 mph winds, 10-30% chance of preciptation.

Not great for passing offenses.

 
Current weather reports out of Foxboro... highs around 20, 20-25 mph winds, 10-30% chance of preciptation.Not great for passing offenses.
I am hoping (praying) for strong gusty winds....this will recreate the Baltimore effect.Let the wind (and Cromartie) play the deep ball, the Chargers can focus on short stuff and run game. Counter with 30-40 plays of LT/Michael Turner/Screens to sproles.....
 
DanFouts said:
My wife (who knows very little about the NFL, except that I am a Charger fan for 30 years) - "From what I hear, there is no way the Pats lose this weekend"Me - "It would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of the game"Wife- "Well, if they (the Chargers) win, you could go to the SuperBowl if you wanted and use our joint account to pay for it"Me- :shock: Wife - "Sure, that would be a blast for you"Me - After the shock......I know it's a sucker bet (she wins if the Pats win since she was being gracious), but c'mon Bolts.......... :thumbup: :shock:
:shock: I can't decide if you're married to the greatest woman in the world or a devious shrew. :eek:
 
DanFouts said:
My wife (who knows very little about the NFL, except that I am a Charger fan for 30 years) - "From what I hear, there is no way the Pats lose this weekend"Me - "It would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of the game"Wife- "Well, if they (the Chargers) win, you could go to the SuperBowl if you wanted and use our joint account to pay for it"Me- :shock: Wife - "Sure, that would be a blast for you"Me - After the shock......I know it's a sucker bet (she wins if the Pats win since she was being gracious), but c'mon Bolts.......... :lmao: :lmao:
I was about to say you can even drive there from San Diego, but then I saw under your avatar that you're in Washington DC. I'm hoping things don't work out for you, but if they do then good luck.
 
DanFouts said:
if you wanted and use our joint account
bunch of joint rollin', dope smoking, California hippie, messican, charger fans. :excited: :D :wall:
:hot: Hey does anybody know which uniforms the teams are wearing? I believe the home team can decide at any point almost right up until game time. It would be cool to see the Chargers bust out the throw backs for this one.

That outsiders blueprint article made some great points. I'd like to take this moment to give props to the Chargers' special teams (except Kaeding :lol: ), they've had an incredible year, represent one of the few clear advantages the Chargers have over the Pats, and hopefully have a gigantic impact on Sunday's game.

 
Also another thought I had that was triggered by the Branch news. How happy are the Pats that that guy threw a hissy fit and got himself traded? I know it's a what if, but I doubt Randy Moss ends up a Pat if Branch stays on the team. Not having Branch may have hurt them some last year, particularly in the AFC championship game, but I think in the long run he ended up helping them get to a 17-0 season by forcing their hand. And now he's injured - again.

Hopefully youngsters coming up will learn from examples like Branch and Javon Walker how NOT to handle yourself in the NFL. Who says there's no such thing as karma?

:thumbup:

 
awesome thread :rolleyes: this is why i keep coming back to fbg.

i agree with everything pats3in4 said. losing colvin hurts more than most outside of ne realize, and i think lt/turner/sproles could really hurt the pats on screens (especially if they're run away from adalius and with vrabel coming off the edge). more importantly, having seymour back is a major boost to the pats d. if they can get pressure up the middle and flush either a gimpy rivers or jittery volek from the pocket, then san diego is in for a long afternoon.

on the other side of the ball, the pats will have some difficulties if they don't use a 2nd blocker on merriman. and from a fan's perspective, i'm really excited to watch moss vs. cromartie.

but the bottom line is this: if the pats can jump out to an early 2 score lead, i can't imagine the chargers fighting back.

my prediction: 31-14 pats (but nothing would surprise me).

 

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