Plax was way too inconsistent for us, it was good to let him go.
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Big Ben Whining AGAIN! (1 Viewer)
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Holmes signed a 5 yr, $8.1M contract in summer of '06 that locks him up through the 2010 season. Burress signed a 6 YR, $24M with the giants in '05.
Why the hell is looking at what Brady won with a reason to hate on Roethlisberger? That's ****ing stupid. Ben's not saying he can't win without a big WR considering he ALREADY WON A SUPERBOWL with short guys, he's just saying that he would like to get another tall WR to make things even easier in the passing game. THAT'S IT.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
While SH might attempt to renegotiate at some point, there's no doubt in my mind that Holmes is the much better value. Spend the 16M on the OLine.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Bravo! Talk about making a mountain out a mole hill.I am getting tired of Hines' Rodney Dangerfield impression though...
Godsbrother
Footballguy
No cancer but Hines needs to ease up on the "I don't get no respect" routine...
chris1969
Footballguy
Is Ben allow to ask for a taller receiver? Yes, but you say it privately to the coach and the GM, not put it in the press where it's gonna upset your team-mates.
Is Hines Ward allowed to get upset that his QB doesn't think he's perfect? Yes, but you handle it privately and don't put it in the press to avoid all the "How are you and Ben getting along?" questions.
Does this mean anything in the overall scheme of things? Not really, unless the coach lets the players make a habit of it.
I hate the Steelers as much as anyone, but even I'm not pouncing on this one.
Move away people, there's nothing else to see here.
Is Hines Ward allowed to get upset that his QB doesn't think he's perfect? Yes, but you handle it privately and don't put it in the press to avoid all the "How are you and Ben getting along?" questions.
Does this mean anything in the overall scheme of things? Not really, unless the coach lets the players make a habit of it.
I hate the Steelers as much as anyone, but even I'm not pouncing on this one.
Move away people, there's nothing else to see here.
the branded hand
Footballguy
Bryant Johnson in the wings??? They have $18.6 million in cap room next year... hmmm... 
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Lets talk after Ben's contract is done. If it's structured so that we have a fair chunk of change for '08 left after that, then we should slap the F-tag on Faneca.Bryant Johnson in the wings??? They have $18.6 million in cap room next year... hmmm...
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Virtually zero chance of that happening.Lets talk after Ben's contract is done. If it's structured so that we have a fair chunk of change for '08 left after that, then we should slap the F-tag on Faneca.Bryant Johnson in the wings??? They have $18.6 million in cap room next year... hmmm...
chris1969
Footballguy
I thought you Steeler fans hated Faneca?Ahrn I could swear I can remember the words "He sucks" coming out of your mouth before the season started.Lets talk after Ben's contract is done. If it's structured so that we have a fair chunk of change for '08 left after that, then we should slap the F-tag on Faneca.Bryant Johnson in the wings??? They have $18.6 million in cap room next year... hmmm...
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I thought you Steeler fans hated Faneca?Ahrn I could swear I can remember the words "He sucks" coming out of your mouth before the season started.Lets talk after Ben's contract is done. If it's structured so that we have a fair chunk of change for '08 left after that, then we should slap the F-tag on Faneca.Bryant Johnson in the wings??? They have $18.6 million in cap room next year... hmmm...
....What are you talking about? You may have heard this from one fan but that certainly doesn't represent all Steeler fans. Faneca is one of the most respected athletes in Pittsburgh.
Pai Mei
Footballguy
Admittedly stories like this CAN impact fantasy football. Sometimes you have these small issues that balloon into major problems and the next thing you know Hines gets traded or something. You never can tell.FreeBaGeL said:Sounds to me like you'd be better off watching soap operas than football, because you obviously crave some drama.So casually mentioning that a tall WR would help is "whining". Seriously, what a bunch of 14 year-old girls we have running around this place sometimes.Hines Ward spends his time these days at home in Atlanta, recovering from postseason surgery on his right knee. A different kind of hurt was delivered by his own quarterback last week. Ben Roethlisberger called for the Steelers to acquire a tall wide receiver, specifically to help inside the 20 and for a bailout target when he's under pressure. He said he had that with 6-foot-5 Plaxico Burress, but not since after the 2004 season. "I'm always going to ask for a tall receiver," Roethlisberger said in an interview with the Post-Gazette. "That's just me. Our receivers are unbelievable, but our tallest guy might be Hines. Or Santonio [Holmes]. Hines is going to say he's 6 foot, but he's 5-11." That stung Ward, the most decorated Steelers receiver in history. "I don't hear Tom Brady or Peyton Manning asking for that," Ward said yesterday.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nfl#
I think you should head into the Romo/Jessica Simpson drama thread, you can get your fill of tabloid garbage aimed at adolescent girls there while the rest of us talk about actual football.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I've said at age 31, I don't think he's worth a 5 or 6 year deal, which he will certainly be looking for. I don't believe I've ever said he sucks. You can link me if I'm wrong. Our line needs help. A lot of help. Faneca being around for another year or two is not a bad thing. Or if he does leave, getting a high pick for him would be nice.I thought you Steeler fans hated Faneca?Ahrn I could swear I can remember the words "He sucks" coming out of your mouth before the season started.Lets talk after Ben's contract is done. If it's structured so that we have a fair chunk of change for '08 left after that, then we should slap the F-tag on Faneca.Bryant Johnson in the wings??? They have $18.6 million in cap room next year... hmmm...
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He did say Ben is a whiner and continues to whine about everything, which is not true, if he's talking about the time his knee almost got taken out by a dirty play and he (Ben) said something about it, well, I would have said something about it too, and Ben did say Ward was "incredible" or something like that, sounds like a compliment to me...again, this is not news no matter who puts it where, the only reason it's news in Pittsburgh is because there isn't anything else for that writer to post right now since there is no football being played in that town, I simply don't pay attention to most of the garbage in the news anymore, most people should do the same...
RaiderBones
Footballguy
I don't see a problem with this at all. What QB wouldn't want a tall WR in the Red Zone. After reading the story it sounded like Hines Ward did most of the whining.Hines Ward spends his time these days at home in Atlanta, recovering from postseason surgery on his right knee. A different kind of hurt was delivered by his own quarterback last week. Ben Roethlisberger called for the Steelers to acquire a tall wide receiver, specifically to help inside the 20 and for a bailout target when he's under pressure. He said he had that with 6-foot-5 Plaxico Burress, but not since after the 2004 season. "I'm always going to ask for a tall receiver," Roethlisberger said in an interview with the Post-Gazette. "That's just me. Our receivers are unbelievable, but our tallest guy might be Hines. Or Santonio [Holmes]. Hines is going to say he's 6 foot, but he's 5-11." That stung Ward, the most decorated Steelers receiver in history. "I don't hear Tom Brady or Peyton Manning asking for that," Ward said yesterday.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nfl#
massraider
Footballguy
This is a pretty dumb thing to get worked up about.
Very, very lame.
Very, very lame.
So what a couple fans say suddenly= what all Steelers fan think? My personalI thought you Steeler fans hated Faneca?Ahrn I could swear I can remember the words "He sucks" coming out of your mouth before the season started.Lets talk after Ben's contract is done. If it's structured so that we have a fair chunk of change for '08 left after that, then we should slap the F-tag on Faneca.Bryant Johnson in the wings??? They have $18.6 million in cap room next year... hmmm...
on him is I still like him and he's still good but he's not worth the money that he wants especially seeing he's on the downside of his career.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
The real information reinforced in this thread is that fans of piss-ant also-rans like the Browns, Bengals, and Ravens are obsessed with all things Steelers.
NorrisB
Footballguy
Come on man when are you going to stop defending ben, I mean look at all the whining we've had to hear from him the past years:motorcycle accidentbroken toes before playoff game with patsbad ol broken fingerthe thumb for about 1000 times104 feverappendixa linemen stepping on his toes against bengals stopped come backneeded a taller receiverhand injury from helmet etc..etc..Ya see ACP Ben had his best statistical year no doubt but its mainly because he was given shorter fields which allows him to score TDs when it should of been a punt and over inflate his rating. Roethlisberger only had 404 attempts Carson Palmer had 575 attemps about 40% more attempts then Little Ben. When Ben had to make even 20% more attempts this what happened:RAT 75.4 | YDS 3,513 | TD 18 INT = 23 (I believe that was league leading)Ya see ACP Ben is nothing more then a game manager, he cant carry a team like Palmer, and probably looks great next to guys like Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart but I feel he's no better then a Garrard type.If I held him in a dynasty league I would be looking to move him, even Bloom said he was a good sell high.Yeah, being one of the best young QBs in the league with a SB ring -- he has a lot to make excuses for. Hey Norris, how'd the Bengals do this year?
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
:XPalmer's the most overrated QB in the league.Come on man when are you going to stop defending ben, I mean look at all the whining we've had to hear from him the past years:motorcycle accidentbroken toes before playoff game with patsbad ol broken fingerthe thumb for about 1000 times104 feverappendixa linemen stepping on his toes against bengals stopped come backneeded a taller receiverhand injury from helmet etc..etc..Ya see ACP Ben had his best statistical year no doubt but its mainly because he was given shorter fields which allows him to score TDs when it should of been a punt and over inflate his rating. Roethlisberger only had 404 attempts Carson Palmer had 575 attemps about 40% more attempts then Little Ben. When Ben had to make even 20% more attempts this what happened:RAT 75.4 | YDS 3,513 | TD 18 INT = 23 (I believe that was league leading)Ya see ACP Ben is nothing more then a game manager, he cant carry a team like Palmer, and probably looks great next to guys like Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart but I feel he's no better then a Garrard type.If I held him in a dynasty league I would be looking to move him, even Bloom said he was a good sell high.Yeah, being one of the best young QBs in the league with a SB ring -- he has a lot to make excuses for. Hey Norris, how'd the Bengals do this year?
NorrisB
Footballguy
Actually that title belongs to Worthlessberger:XPalmer's the most overrated QB in the league.Come on man when are you going to stop defending ben, I mean look at all the whining we've had to hear from him the past years:motorcycle accidentbroken toes before playoff game with patsbad ol broken fingerthe thumb for about 1000 times104 feverappendixa linemen stepping on his toes against bengals stopped come backneeded a taller receiverhand injury from helmet etc..etc..Ya see ACP Ben had his best statistical year no doubt but its mainly because he was given shorter fields which allows him to score TDs when it should of been a punt and over inflate his rating. Roethlisberger only had 404 attempts Carson Palmer had 575 attemps about 40% more attempts then Little Ben. When Ben had to make even 20% more attempts this what happened:RAT 75.4 | YDS 3,513 | TD 18 INT = 23 (I believe that was league leading)Ya see ACP Ben is nothing more then a game manager, he cant carry a team like Palmer, and probably looks great next to guys like Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart but I feel he's no better then a Garrard type.If I held him in a dynasty league I would be looking to move him, even Bloom said he was a good sell high.Yeah, being one of the best young QBs in the league with a SB ring -- he has a lot to make excuses for. Hey Norris, how'd the Bengals do this year?
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poopdawg
Footballguy
Wow. Just wow. He was literally seconds away from death in the accident, but I really dont remember him complaining at all. Youre really reaching for things. And asking for a tall receiver is not complaining. If a QB could get a bigger target to give him different options in the passing game, why would he not want it. Ward is the bigger whiner here. Your hatred of the Steelers is really mind-boggling, especially when you start stupid threads like this.Come on man when are you going to stop defending ben, I mean look at all the whining we've had to hear from him the past years:motorcycle accidentbroken toes before playoff game with patsbad ol broken fingerthe thumb for about 1000 times104 feverappendixa linemen stepping on his toes against bengals stopped come backneeded a taller receiverhand injury from helmet etc..etc..Ya see ACP Ben had his best statistical year no doubt but its mainly because he was given shorter fields which allows him to score TDs when it should of been a punt and over inflate his rating. Roethlisberger only had 404 attempts Carson Palmer had 575 attemps about 40% more attempts then Little Ben. When Ben had to make even 20% more attempts this what happened:RAT 75.4 | YDS 3,513 | TD 18 INT = 23 (I believe that was league leading)Ya see ACP Ben is nothing more then a game manager, he cant carry a team like Palmer, and probably looks great next to guys like Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart but I feel he's no better then a Garrard type.If I held him in a dynasty league I would be looking to move him, even Bloom said he was a good sell high.Yeah, being one of the best young QBs in the league with a SB ring -- he has a lot to make excuses for. Hey Norris, how'd the Bengals do this year?
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Um, yeah. How'd the Bengals do this year?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
nice retort by HW.
Kirby
Footballguy
Yea... since Brady lobbied for Moss last year this is a great retort.nice retort by HW.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
No it is a terrible retort... Brady #####ed about Branch leaving and was always asking for WR's and Peyton is the reason Marvin and Wayne got their big extentions. Now while I will say that those look more loyal to their own WR's every QB always wants more weapons to throw to.nice retort by HW.
suchislife
Footballguy
A few weeks ago when McNabb made some of his wishes public, I heard an interview with Jaworski. Jaws was asked how he felt about McNabb's comments. Jaws told a story about his playing days under Vermeil. A reporter asked him if he had opinions on the upcoming draft. Jaws said he wouldn't mind the Eagles getting some speed at WR. The next day Vermeil called him into his office and ripped him up one side and down the other for 20 minutes. Vermeil told him his job was to play QB, not scout players or evaluate team needs. He asked Jaws how he would feel if one the WR's said they'd like to get a QB with a stronger arm.
I'm sure its different today with prima dona players, but back in the day the players were put in their place if they spoke out on team needs.
I'm sure its different today with prima dona players, but back in the day the players were put in their place if they spoke out on team needs.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
My question to you: would you say Jaws was whining when he said that he wouldn't mind the Eagles getting some speed at WR?I have no problem if Tomlin wants to rip him a new one over this but I don't consider it whining.
sdsjr3
Footballguy
WOW....Come on man when are you going to stop defending ben, I mean look at all the whining we've had to hear from him the past years:motorcycle accidentbroken toes before playoff game with patsbad ol broken fingerthe thumb for about 1000 times104 feverappendixa linemen stepping on his toes against bengals stopped come backneeded a taller receiverhand injury from helmet etc..etc..Ya see ACP Ben had his best statistical year no doubt but its mainly because he was given shorter fields which allows him to score TDs when it should of been a punt and over inflate his rating. Roethlisberger only had 404 attempts Carson Palmer had 575 attemps about 40% more attempts then Little Ben. When Ben had to make even 20% more attempts this what happened:RAT 75.4 | YDS 3,513 | TD 18 INT = 23 (I believe that was league leading)Ya see ACP Ben is nothing more then a game manager, he cant carry a team like Palmer, and probably looks great next to guys like Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart but I feel he's no better then a Garrard type.If I held him in a dynasty league I would be looking to move him, even Bloom said he was a good sell high.Yeah, being one of the best young QBs in the league with a SB ring -- he has a lot to make excuses for. Hey Norris, how'd the Bengals do this year?
This is as much false information as you'll see anywhere. To watch Ben play is enjoyable because of the way he does it. Game manager? Dude, I would think that being a fan of an AFC North team you'd know a little bit about the man. He sacrifices his body more than most QB's in the game. He's flat out tough and the reason he's always dinged is because he simply refuses to go down. He's able to make something out of nothing ALL THE TIME, and frankly, this year HE HAD TO because he got NO protection.I'll say this, I heard rumblings when Ben first came to Pitt out of college that he really had a bad attitude around town and rubbed many folks the wrong way. I think he's done a lot of overcome that appearance and has since endeared himself to the fans and city.Ben is a great athlete, and very good QB, and he's tough. I'll take that any day over Palmer, who this year proved he wasn't as good as he statistics made everyone think he is. You take one of his 2 incredible WRs away and he's average.Regarding the OP, I don't understand the concern with this, although I'm not surprised that the media took it an ran with it. It's what they do. Hines' response on the other hand was simply poor. Only a person with an agenda would look at this as anything more than Ben making a statement after complimenting his current corps of WRs.
suchislife
Footballguy
Keep in mine I only heard Jaws' recap of a 30 year old incident, but I got the impression it was more like an off the cuff answer to a reporter's question. Now if you ask me about McNabb's situation - as an Eagles fan I would have preferred he just kept his mouth shut. I'm not close the Steelers situation and I would think Ben was not whining, just expressing an opinion. I'm also pretty sure the Steelers front office would prefer Ben not make public statements like that.Personally, I don't view Ben's comments as whining...more like Jaws quick honest answer to a reporter's question. IMO, the difference between McNabb and Jaws/Big Ben is one was premeditated and the other 2 were more spontaneous.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. I don't think Ben said anything wrong when he said he would like a tall WR. I mean what QB wouldn't? But I guess at this point he needs to be careful in what he says to the media so he won't offend anyone (like Ward).Seemed like a pretty benign comment though...
switz
Footballguy
Excuse for choking in the playoffsExcuse him for what? Being one of the best young QB's in the league?Yeah, please excuse him for that.
As for one of the best young QBs - only a Steelers homer would say so. He had a great year, but he's definitely way overhyped.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
this thread is a magnet.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Just about everyone from non-Steeler fans on this board to professional pundits and studio hosts put Roethlisberger among the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Seeing as Favre, Peyton, and Brady are invariably 3 of those 5-6, I'd say that puts Roethlisberger almost unanimously among the top young QBs. Seriously, you're a GM, for whom besides Brady or Manning would you trade Roethlisberger in a one-for-one swap? Even assuming money is no factor? Romo, maybe (I wouldn't, but I could see a case made for it)? Carson Palmer ? Roethlisberger is 25 years old, already has a ring, has one of the best W-L records for a QB to start a career in NFL history, and in the first season in which the shackles were completely removed, he responded with a Pro Bowl season and VASTLY exceeded statistical expectations. So, where exactly does the "overhyped" part come in?It feels like Groundhog Day sometimes. What is it going to take, a 50 TD/ 8 INT season for people to acknowledge that Ben is an outstanding young QB? Have Brady and Manning set the bar so high that people have lost sight of the fact that there are other good signal-callers in this league?switz said:Excuse for choking in the playoffsExcuse him for what? Being one of the best young QB's in the league?Yeah, please excuse him for that.
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switz
Footballguy
Dude, you're a Steelers homer, you have ZERO perspective. If I was a GM starting a team, I'd take quite a few guys over Ben. Yes, he had a GREAT season. He was AWFUL in the SuperBowl that his team won, he totally choked in the playoffs this year, and he's not a team player.When I think young QBs in the game, I think Leinart, Roth, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, Grossman... it's not like there are a ton... and off that list, I'd probably rank Ben 4th out of 6. Romo is a playmaker, Palmer is an excellent QB, and Edwards looks like he's developing very nicely.Of course you may want to throw Kolb, Russell, and Beck in, but they're not starters yet, so I don't count them.Just about everyone from non-Steeler fans on this board to professional pundits and studio hosts put Roethlisberger among the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Seeing as Favre, Peyton, and Brady are invariably 3 of those 5-6, I'd say that puts Roethlisberger almost unanimously among the top young QBs. Seriously, you're a GM, for whom besides Brady or Manning would you trade Roethlisberger in a one-for-one swap? Even assuming money is no factor? Romo, maybe (I wouldn't, but I could see a case made for it)? Carson Palmer ? Roethlisberger is 25 years old, already has a ring, has one of the best W-L records for a QB to start a career in NFL history, and in the first season in which the shackles were completely removed, he responded with a Pro Bowl season and VASTLY exceeded statistical expectations. So, where exactly does the "overhyped" part come in?It feels like Groundhog Day sometimes. What is it going to take, a 50 TD/ 8 INT season for people to acknowledge that Ben is an outstanding young QB? Have Brady and Manning set the bar so high that people have lost sight of the fact that there are other good signal-callers in this league?switz said:Excuse for choking in the playoffsExcuse him for what? Being one of the best young QB's in the league?Yeah, please excuse him for that.As for one of the best young QBs - only a Steelers homer would say so. He had a great year, but he's definitely way overhyped.
I disagree with your opinion.Dude, you're a Steelers homer, you have ZERO perspective. If I was a GM starting a team, I'd take quite a few guys over Ben. Yes, he had a GREAT season. He was AWFUL in the SuperBowl that his team won, he totally choked in the playoffs this year, and he's not a team player.When I think young QBs in the game, I think Leinart, Roth, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, Grossman... it's not like there are a ton... and off that list, I'd probably rank Ben 4th out of 6. Romo is a playmaker, Palmer is an excellent QB, and Edwards looks like he's developing very nicely.Of course you may want to throw Kolb, Russell, and Beck in, but they're not starters yet, so I don't count them.Just about everyone from non-Steeler fans on this board to professional pundits and studio hosts put Roethlisberger among the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Seeing as Favre, Peyton, and Brady are invariably 3 of those 5-6, I'd say that puts Roethlisberger almost unanimously among the top young QBs. Seriously, you're a GM, for whom besides Brady or Manning would you trade Roethlisberger in a one-for-one swap? Even assuming money is no factor? Romo, maybe (I wouldn't, but I could see a case made for it)? Carson Palmer ? Roethlisberger is 25 years old, already has a ring, has one of the best W-L records for a QB to start a career in NFL history, and in the first season in which the shackles were completely removed, he responded with a Pro Bowl season and VASTLY exceeded statistical expectations. So, where exactly does the "overhyped" part come in?It feels like Groundhog Day sometimes. What is it going to take, a 50 TD/ 8 INT season for people to acknowledge that Ben is an outstanding young QB? Have Brady and Manning set the bar so high that people have lost sight of the fact that there are other good signal-callers in this league?switz said:Excuse for choking in the playoffsExcuse him for what? Being one of the best young QB's in the league?Yeah, please excuse him for that.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Ben was #2 in the NFL in passing behind Brady. Obviously you rank Romo and Palmer ahead of Roethlisberger (two guys that never won a playoff game) so out of Leinart, Edwards and Grossman which other two are ahead of Roethlisberger? Nice fishing trip!
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm not even talking about myself - I'm talking about every list of the league's best QBs I've seen (done by non-Steelers homers.)If you would seriously take 3 of : Leinart, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, and Grossman over Roethlisberger, I can't help you. granted, he threw a few bad passes in the Jax game this year, but he was brilliant in the second half. Also, if you want to point out how poorly he played in the Super Bowl 2 years ago, I can point out how great he was in the 3 road wins leading up to that game, and how the Steelers absolutely would not have even been in the Super Bowl were it not for Roethlisberger.I thought you were better than this.Dude, you're a Steelers homer, you have ZERO perspective. If I was a GM starting a team, I'd take quite a few guys over Ben. Yes, he had a GREAT season. He was AWFUL in the SuperBowl that his team won, he totally choked in the playoffs this year, and he's not a team player.When I think young QBs in the game, I think Leinart, Roth, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, Grossman... it's not like there are a ton... and off that list, I'd probably rank Ben 4th out of 6. Romo is a playmaker, Palmer is an excellent QB, and Edwards looks like he's developing very nicely.Of course you may want to throw Kolb, Russell, and Beck in, but they're not starters yet, so I don't count them.Just about everyone from non-Steeler fans on this board to professional pundits and studio hosts put Roethlisberger among the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Seeing as Favre, Peyton, and Brady are invariably 3 of those 5-6, I'd say that puts Roethlisberger almost unanimously among the top young QBs. Seriously, you're a GM, for whom besides Brady or Manning would you trade Roethlisberger in a one-for-one swap? Even assuming money is no factor? Romo, maybe (I wouldn't, but I could see a case made for it)? Carson Palmer ? Roethlisberger is 25 years old, already has a ring, has one of the best W-L records for a QB to start a career in NFL history, and in the first season in which the shackles were completely removed, he responded with a Pro Bowl season and VASTLY exceeded statistical expectations. So, where exactly does the "overhyped" part come in?It feels like Groundhog Day sometimes. What is it going to take, a 50 TD/ 8 INT season for people to acknowledge that Ben is an outstanding young QB? Have Brady and Manning set the bar so high that people have lost sight of the fact that there are other good signal-callers in this league?switz said:Excuse for choking in the playoffsExcuse him for what? Being one of the best young QB's in the league?Yeah, please excuse him for that.
poopdawg
Footballguy
Having an average QB rating of 122.9 over three games leading up to the Superbowl is pretty damn impressive for a 2nd year QB. I dont think anyone will argue about his dismal SB performance, but its funny how all the haters only concentrate on that one game when we all know they would not have even been there if it was not for him. Period. And I think he has shown us this year that his subpar performance last year was due to the accident. With his injuries behind him, he had quite possibly the best season in '07 for someone not named Brady.I'm not even talking about myself - I'm talking about every list of the league's best QBs I've seen (done by non-Steelers homers.)If you would seriously take 3 of : Leinart, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, and Grossman over Roethlisberger, I can't help you. granted, he threw a few bad passes in the Jax game this year, but he was brilliant in the second half. Also, if you want to point out how poorly he played in the Super Bowl 2 years ago, I can point out how great he was in the 3 road wins leading up to that game, and how the Steelers absolutely would not have even been in the Super Bowl were it not for Roethlisberger.Dude, you're a Steelers homer, you have ZERO perspective. If I was a GM starting a team, I'd take quite a few guys over Ben. Yes, he had a GREAT season. He was AWFUL in the SuperBowl that his team won, he totally choked in the playoffs this year, and he's not a team player.When I think young QBs in the game, I think Leinart, Roth, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, Grossman... it's not like there are a ton... and off that list, I'd probably rank Ben 4th out of 6. Romo is a playmaker, Palmer is an excellent QB, and Edwards looks like he's developing very nicely.Just about everyone from non-Steeler fans on this board to professional pundits and studio hosts put Roethlisberger among the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Seeing as Favre, Peyton, and Brady are invariably 3 of those 5-6, I'd say that puts Roethlisberger almost unanimously among the top young QBs. Seriously, you're a GM, for whom besides Brady or Manning would you trade Roethlisberger in a one-for-one swap? Even assuming money is no factor? Romo, maybe (I wouldn't, but I could see a case made for it)? Carson Palmer ? Roethlisberger is 25 years old, already has a ring, has one of the best W-L records for a QB to start a career in NFL history, and in the first season in which the shackles were completely removed, he responded with a Pro Bowl season and VASTLY exceeded statistical expectations. So, where exactly does the "overhyped" part come in?switz said:Excuse for choking in the playoffsExcuse him for what? Being one of the best young QB's in the league?Yeah, please excuse him for that.
It feels like Groundhog Day sometimes. What is it going to take, a 50 TD/ 8 INT season for people to acknowledge that Ben is an outstanding young QB? Have Brady and Manning set the bar so high that people have lost sight of the fact that there are other good signal-callers in this league?
Of course you may want to throw Kolb, Russell, and Beck in, but they're not starters yet, so I don't count them.
I thought you were better than this.
And Switz, please tell us between Leinart, Edwards, and Grossman you would rather have over Roethlisberger. Your blind hate specs give YOU zero perspective.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Everyone knows this, but it doesn't support their argument, so it's conveniently not mentioned. All I heard up to this year was how all Ben did was manage the game and he doesn't put up numbers, can't carry the team, blah blah, blah. So this year, he goes out and puts up bonafide Pro Bowl numbers and is clearly the team's best player, and still people knock him.The guy is 25 years old and this is only his 8th year playing QB on any level. There's still a lot of upside there... even if he'd already maxed out his potential, he's a top-5 QB, and he hasn't even hit his ceiling yet. Call him overrated all you want, but save for Brady and Manning, there's not a QB in the league I'd rather have.Having an average QB rating of 122.9 over three games leading up to the Superbowl is pretty damn impressive for a 2nd year QB. I dont think anyone will argue about his dismal SB performance, but its funny how all the haters only concentrate on that one game when we all know they would not have even been there if it was not for him. Period. And I think he has shown us this year that his subpar performance last year was due to the accident. With his injuries behind him, he had quite possibly the best season in '07 for someone not named Brady.I'm not even talking about myself - I'm talking about every list of the league's best QBs I've seen (done by non-Steelers homers.)If you would seriously take 3 of : Leinart, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, and Grossman over Roethlisberger, I can't help you. granted, he threw a few bad passes in the Jax game this year, but he was brilliant in the second half. Also, if you want to point out how poorly he played in the Super Bowl 2 years ago, I can point out how great he was in the 3 road wins leading up to that game, and how the Steelers absolutely would not have even been in the Super Bowl were it not for Roethlisberger.Dude, you're a Steelers homer, you have ZERO perspective. If I was a GM starting a team, I'd take quite a few guys over Ben. Yes, he had a GREAT season. He was AWFUL in the SuperBowl that his team won, he totally choked in the playoffs this year, and he's not a team player.When I think young QBs in the game, I think Leinart, Roth, Edwards, Palmer, Romo, Grossman... it's not like there are a ton... and off that list, I'd probably rank Ben 4th out of 6. Romo is a playmaker, Palmer is an excellent QB, and Edwards looks like he's developing very nicely.Just about everyone from non-Steeler fans on this board to professional pundits and studio hosts put Roethlisberger among the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Seeing as Favre, Peyton, and Brady are invariably 3 of those 5-6, I'd say that puts Roethlisberger almost unanimously among the top young QBs. Seriously, you're a GM, for whom besides Brady or Manning would you trade Roethlisberger in a one-for-one swap? Even assuming money is no factor? Romo, maybe (I wouldn't, but I could see a case made for it)? Carson Palmer ? Roethlisberger is 25 years old, already has a ring, has one of the best W-L records for a QB to start a career in NFL history, and in the first season in which the shackles were completely removed, he responded with a Pro Bowl season and VASTLY exceeded statistical expectations. So, where exactly does the "overhyped" part come in?switz said:Excuse for choking in the playoffsExcuse him for what? Being one of the best young QB's in the league?Yeah, please excuse him for that.This is just another one of Ben's excuses
It feels like Groundhog Day sometimes. What is it going to take, a 50 TD/ 8 INT season for people to acknowledge that Ben is an outstanding young QB? Have Brady and Manning set the bar so high that people have lost sight of the fact that there are other good signal-callers in this league?
Of course you may want to throw Kolb, Russell, and Beck in, but they're not starters yet, so I don't count them.
I thought you were better than this.
And Switz, please tell us between Leinart, Edwards, and Grossman you would rather have over Roethlisberger. Your blind hate specs give YOU zero perspective.
And you can call me a homer all you want, but if you knew me and how long I have been bashing Steeler QBs (Stoudt, Woodley, Malone, Brister, Graham, Stewart, Maddox, Tomczak, O'Donnell) you'd know I'm not touting Ben because he's the Steelers' QB. I tout him because he's damned good. When the Steelers drafted him, friends of mine actually called me and asked how long before he'd be hanging in effigy in my driveway - I was that critical of Steelers' QB play.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
So, according to Switz:
Trent Edwards > Roethlisberger.
And you have nerve to tell anyone else they have no perspective?
I haven't had to bust this out in quite a while, but it's time for another round of :
YOU MAKE THE CALL -- or :11: ?
Trent Edwards > Roethlisberger.
And you have nerve to tell anyone else they have no perspective?
I haven't had to bust this out in quite a while, but it's time for another round of :
YOU MAKE THE CALL --
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