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Jim Zorn to be named Skins HC (1 Viewer)

the ultimate Yes man hire.....after all, Zorn was the seattle ball boy before his ascension to qb, might as well fetch danny some water while he's at it......

 
Brutis said:
buster c said:
Brutis said:
Bizkiteer said:
Brutis said:
As a cowboy fan I love the move. lol
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LMAO, typical cowpuke talking out the side of their #%@...errr...face! :rant: Just remember this comment when you ask someone to pass the salt when you eat crow. Becareful what you wish for... :yes:
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ok :thumbup: :excited:
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and the cowgirl HC? Wade Phillips :bag: the GM? Jerry Jones :bag: :goodposting:
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Wade Phillips went 13-3 as the HC. Skins lost a HOF HC in Gibbs and lost 2 very good coordinators. Forgive me for being a bit happy. :lmao:
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LOL, I'm sure you knew he'd go 13-3 when he took over too. :rolleyes: Oh, A. Saunders was one of the problems and the next guy in line on staff took over for Greg Williams, so not so sure what you're really happy about. Thanks for making the point!
 
Bizkiteer said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
sorry redskins fansy'all might need these --> :rolleyes:
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Dumb remark! You normally have well thought out answers or comments. I guess there is first time for everything. :goodposting:
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Sorry Biz, i did explain when asked in the next post
This move isn't bad as much as the entire episode dealing with the coaches has been bad. They went from two great respected football minds who had already laid the groundwork for their schemes in Williams and Saunders to Zorn and Blache. I suppose Blache won't be too bad and provide some continuity, but the way Fassel was handled (He's in, what people don't like that? ok, he's not in) reveals a lot about Snyder/Cerrato's decision making process.Zorn as HC sure feels like a punt to me. Honestly, I was happy for Saunders and Williams when they were let go so they go somewhere that good football people were actually appreciated.I wonder what the players think of all of this.
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But you're it was a tool-like comment - im just sick of the Snyder/Cerrato follies. Redskins fans deserve better.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Ripleys said:
Bloom why is this a bad move in your opinion? Seems MUCH better than Fossil doesn't it? And isn't Zorn about 20 years younger than Gibbs?
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This move isn't bad as much as the entire episode dealing with the coaches has been bad. They went from two great respected football minds who had already laid the groundwork for their schemes in Williams and Saunders to Zorn and Blache. I suppose Blache won't be too bad and provide some continuity, but the way Fassel was handled (He's in, what people don't like that? ok, he's not in) reveals a lot about Snyder/Cerrato's decision making process.Zorn as HC sure feels like a punt to me. Honestly, I was happy for Saunders and Williams when they were let go so they go somewhere that good football people were actually appreciated.

I wonder what the players think of all of this.
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Agreed but I think it's more of a shank than a punt.The Skins are now the front runners for last place in the East next year.

 
Brutis said:
buster c said:
Brutis said:
Bizkiteer said:
Brutis said:
As a cowboy fan I love the move. lol
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LMAO, typical cowpuke talking out the side of their #%@...errr...face! :confused: Just remember this comment when you ask someone to pass the salt when you eat crow. Becareful what you wish for... :yes:
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ok :bag: :mellow:
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and the cowgirl HC? Wade Phillips :bag: the GM? Jerry Jones :bag: :confused:
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Wade Phillips went 13-3 as the HC. Skins lost a HOF HC in Gibbs and lost 2 very good coordinators. Forgive me for being a bit happy. :rant:
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Joe Gibbs did one of his best coaching jobs in his career last year. I'll go out on a limb and say Jim Zorn doesn't do the kind of job Joe Gibbs did and I'll remember all the Skins fans who prior to the run at the end of the season to make the playoffs were calling for Gibbs to be removed or retire because the game passed him by.Giants fans did the same thing with Coughlin before this season and during this season.The grass is greener on the other side............watch what you wish for, you just might get it. All those sayings apply here. Gibbs is gone and we'll see just how easy he is to replace. Washington over and under 7 games IMO
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Ripleys said:
Bloom why is this a bad move in your opinion? Seems MUCH better than Fossil doesn't it? And isn't Zorn about 20 years younger than Gibbs?
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This move isn't bad as much as the entire episode dealing with the coaches has been bad. They went from two great respected football minds who had already laid the groundwork for their schemes in Williams and Saunders to Zorn and Blache. I suppose Blache won't be too bad and provide some continuity, but the way Fassel was handled (He's in, what people don't like that? ok, he's not in) reveals a lot about Snyder/Cerrato's decision making process.Zorn as HC sure feels like a punt to me. Honestly, I was happy for Saunders and Williams when they were let go so they go somewhere that good football people were actually appreciated.

I wonder what the players think of all of this.
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Agreed but I think it's more of a shank than a punt.The Skins are now the front runners for last place in the East next year.
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or they could be 13-3with Dallas in last

or the Eagles

hell, the Giants are even money to miss the playoffs.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Washington over and under 7 games IMO
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, but as a 'Skins fan I agree and am looking forward to it at this point.I think any shift to an offense that's more WCO than not will require a steep learning curve, but one I'm willing to wait through. There will certainly be growing pains, but at least 'Skins fans can feel hopeful now. We've got a relatively young guy who has learned at the feet of Holmgren and has been integral in the success of Matt Hasselbeck. It feels much better than having the known failings of Jim Fassel at the helm (I understand he had successes that can be pointed to, as well, but come on...does anyone out there want Jim Fassel coaching their home team?)The Process may have been unconventional, and even flawed, but I'm much happier with this result than with what I was expecting the past few days.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Bizkiteer said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
sorry redskins fansy'all might need these --> :bag:
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Dumb remark! You normally have well thought out answers or comments. I guess there is first time for everything. :shrug:
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Sorry Biz, i did explain when asked in the next post
This move isn't bad as much as the entire episode dealing with the coaches has been bad. They went from two great respected football minds who had already laid the groundwork for their schemes in Williams and Saunders to Zorn and Blache. I suppose Blache won't be too bad and provide some continuity, but the way Fassel was handled (He's in, what people don't like that? ok, he's not in) reveals a lot about Snyder/Cerrato's decision making process.Zorn as HC sure feels like a punt to me. Honestly, I was happy for Saunders and Williams when they were let go so they go somewhere that good football people were actually appreciated.I wonder what the players think of all of this.
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But you're it was a tool-like comment - im just sick of the Snyder/Cerrato follies. Redskins fans deserve better.
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Thanks for the clarification and honest answer. On a Saturday night, you could have easily used the :banned: excuse. Just goes to show Bloom is not a machine...he's a mortal man. ;)
 
Sidewinder16 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Washington over and under 7 games IMO
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, but as a 'Skins fan I agree and am looking forward to it at this point.I think any shift to an offense that's more WCO than not will require a steep learning curve, but one I'm willing to wait through. There will certainly be growing pains, but at least 'Skins fans can feel hopeful now. We've got a relatively young guy who has learned at the feet of Holmgren and has been integral in the success of Matt Hasselbeck. It feels much better than having the known failings of Jim Fassel at the helm (I understand he had successes that can be pointed to, as well, but come on...does anyone out there want Jim Fassel coaching their home team?)The Process may have been unconventional, and even flawed, but I'm much happier with this result than with what I was expecting the past few days.
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:shrug: Well said!
 
Sidewinder16 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Washington over and under 7 games IMO
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, but as a 'Skins fan I agree and am looking forward to it at this point.I think any shift to an offense that's more WCO than not will require a steep learning curve, but one I'm willing to wait through. There will certainly be growing pains, but at least 'Skins fans can feel hopeful now. We've got a relatively young guy who has learned at the feet of Holmgren and has been integral in the success of Matt Hasselbeck. It feels much better than having the known failings of Jim Fassel at the helm (I understand he had successes that can be pointed to, as well, but come on...does anyone out there want Jim Fassel coaching their home team?)The Process may have been unconventional, and even flawed, but I'm much happier with this result than with what I was expecting the past few days.
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I agree. Yes, the whole process was an episode. In the beginning, was it a good move to change their minds on Fassel because of the fan reaction? No. They certainly burned a few bridges in the process as well. Now at least they found a guy that they were comfortable enough in hiring without caring what the fans thought. This upheaval of sorts will certainly pass and what it will come down to is how well Zorn does with the "groceries" he is given.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Ripleys said:
Bloom why is this a bad move in your opinion? Seems MUCH better than Fossil doesn't it? And isn't Zorn about 20 years younger than Gibbs?
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This move isn't bad as much as the entire episode dealing with the coaches has been bad. They went from two great respected football minds who had already laid the groundwork for their schemes in Williams and Saunders to Zorn and Blache. I suppose Blache won't be too bad and provide some continuity, but the way Fassel was handled (He's in, what people don't like that? ok, he's not in) reveals a lot about Snyder/Cerrato's decision making process.Zorn as HC sure feels like a punt to me. Honestly, I was happy for Saunders and Williams when they were let go so they go somewhere that good football people were actually appreciated.I wonder what the players think of all of this.
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Zorn is a great hire. You'll see a dramatic improvement in Campbell's production.
 
D-Style said:
Zorn is a great hire. You'll see a dramatic improvement in Campbell's production.
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Could you be a little more specific? How does Zorn's hire help so much more than the coaching staff that left? Are you under the impression that Zorn was largely responsible for Hasselbeck's successes? I think the only way you see similar production out of the Redskin quarterback this year is if Zorn brings Hasselbeck with him.Seattle could have offered the same sort of deal to Zorn that they did to Mora. I can't imagine that Zorn would have passed it up. They picked Mora over Zorn. I see Zorn heading to Washington as the Redskins settling for a head coach that Seattle didn't want. All this said, I remember Seattle's first successful stints with Zorn at the helm. I wish him well and hope he's successful there.
 
Ripleys said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.Source: Washington Post New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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I think it bodes well for the offense. Portis has definitely proven he's a great all around back, and did very well in the passing game this year. He will be a great back in a WCO. I also think this helps Santana Moss tremendously. Only guy I worry about is Cooley. I just can't think of any TEs that really flourished in a west coast offense (who am I forgetting?)
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Off Hand: Shannon Sharp, LJ Smith
 
southeastjerome said:
Brutis said:
As a cowboy fan I love the move. lol
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You certainly have gall saying that with a proven "winner" like Wade Phillips leading your team.
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Wade Phillips has had prior head coaching experience and a winning record (prior to coaching the Cowboys).Your boy Snyder attempts to be like Jerry Jones but falls short. Jones will pay to keep talent, while Danny lets all the good players go so he can bring in flashy FA's that don't produce.Unlike Snyder, Jones has actually strapped on some shoulder pads in his lifetime. Although I'm sure there might be some X rated tapes floating around the Snyder Mansion of him and Vinny all lubed up.
 
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.Source: Washington Post New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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It's an upgrade. Of course it can't be worse but it will take time for Zorn to rid this team of bums on offense.
 
You Cowboy fans should remember that Wade Phillips was a stopgap hire in hope JJ could get Cowher after his Pittsburgh contract expired.I think everyone was surprised by their 13-3 mark.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Ripleys said:
Bloom why is this a bad move in your opinion? Seems MUCH better than Fossil doesn't it? And isn't Zorn about 20 years younger than Gibbs?
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This move isn't bad as much as the entire episode dealing with the coaches has been bad. They went from two great respected football minds who had already laid the groundwork for their schemes in Williams and Saunders to Zorn and Blache. I suppose Blache won't be too bad and provide some continuity, but the way Fassel was handled (He's in, what people don't like that? ok, he's not in) reveals a lot about Snyder/Cerrato's decision making process.Zorn as HC sure feels like a punt to me. Honestly, I was happy for Saunders and Williams when they were let go so they go somewhere that good football people were actually appreciated.

I wonder what the players think of all of this.
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Agreed but I think it's more of a shank than a punt.The Skins are now the front runners for last place in the East next year for the next five years.
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Fixed.
 
Man, sure are a lot of experts on the coaching capabilities of Jim Zorn round here.

I feel so dumb, because I don't have a clue how he's going to do.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Ripleys said:
Bloom why is this a bad move in your opinion? Seems MUCH better than Fossil doesn't it? And isn't Zorn about 20 years younger than Gibbs?
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This move isn't bad as much as the entire episode dealing with the coaches has been bad. They went from two great respected football minds who had already laid the groundwork for their schemes in Williams and Saunders to Zorn and Blache. I suppose Blache won't be too bad and provide some continuity, but the way Fassel was handled (He's in, what people don't like that? ok, he's not in) reveals a lot about Snyder/Cerrato's decision making process.Zorn as HC sure feels like a punt to me. Honestly, I was happy for Saunders and Williams when they were let go so they go somewhere that good football people were actually appreciated.I wonder what the players think of all of this.
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:lmao: There has been positive feedback from the players, but Zorn "should" be an OC for a year or two before he becomes HC. IMHO, this would have been fine if they'd done pretty much everything else they've done (Blache as DC; and Zorn as OC) and named Williams as HC. With him, you can take two years (or less if it's a disaster) to assess how much he learned under Gibbs' tutelage, and if it's not working you can fire him and Zorn is then there for you to promote to HC. Two years is an incredibly short period of time in the NFL, so I really don't know why they couldn't have taken that approach. Patience is showing that you're willing to wait two years with a guy like Williams to see if he's developed as a better head coach; it's not taking 30+ days to go 'round and 'round with interviews of candidates. This process reeked of indecision more than deliberation.
 
FavreCo said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....

Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et

The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.

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New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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It's an upgrade. Of course it can't be worse but it will take time for Zorn to rid this team of bums on offense.
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Sorry, but I'm going to have to see better performance from this offense before I conclude that someone's an upgrade over Al Saunders, especially given that this "upgrade" will be based upon an entirely different scheme (the Walsh/Holmgren WCO versus the Coryell coaching tree) that utilizes entirely different terminology. Campbell was improving under Saunders. I think Portis could benefit from more receptions and fewer runs between the tackles that wear him down. Cooley should likewise be fine. Otherwise, I'm concerned about the following:

1) Campbell and the WR's adjusting from a more vertically oriented passing game to one that utilizes more screens, slants, and crossing routes (I will note that Campbell has probably been best passing over the middle of the field in the intermediate range, and he did run a WCO at least one year in college);

2) there are no established WR's on the roster who are over 6' tall, which is not what you want with the WCO; and

3) an older offensive line that has been built around power running now switching to a more finesse style of run-blocking.

In other words, there's a lot of work to do.

 
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....

Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et

The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.

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This bolded comment is laughable. Zorn is a complete unknown. He may do well, and I certainly wish him the best.In Seattle, one single man took the majority of the burden when it came to game planning and 100% of the burden when it came to calling plays. That was Mike Holmgren. Further, if Hollmgren was to lean on someone for advice at a given point it would be his offensive coordinator, not the quarterbacks coach.

 
I don't know anything about Zorn's HC qualifications apart from what I've read. But as someone who grew up cheering for the Seahawks when he was at QB, I'd love to see him succeed.

 
Enforcer said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....

Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et

The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.

Source: Washington Post

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This bolded comment is laughable.

Zorn is a complete unknown. He may do well, and I certainly wish him the best.In Seattle, one single man took the majority of the burden when it came to game planning and 100% of the burden when it came to calling plays. That was Mike Holmgren. Further, if Hollmgren was to lean on someone for advice at a given point it would be his offensive coordinator, not the quarterbacks coach.
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Really? That seems like an overstatement, and I can't help but note your location and presume your bias when I read something like that.
 
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IMHO, this would have been fine if they'd done pretty much everything else they've done (Blache as DC; and Zorn as OC) and named Williams as HC.
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At the end of this clown show of a coach-selection process, that's the same opinion I'm left with. On the other hand I'd rather Zorn be given a shot based on his perceived merits, rather than fall back on Fassell or Mariucci. And I'm glad the man chosen wasn't chosen based on name recognition --- that hasn't worked so well for Washington in their last several HC hires. For those predicting chaos and disarray for the Redskins, that's easy to do but I doubt it'll work out that way. The defensive side of the coaching staff is relatively unchanged and their defense did surprisingly well last year, especially considering the lack of sacks. Washington's opponents aren't going to be racking up big point totals every week, which sets the bar a bit lower for offensive output needed. The first half of the season will probably look like players getting used to a new offense, but still hanging in there in games (their schedule this year isn't that frightening). For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
 
redman said:
FavreCo said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....

Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et

The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.

Source: Washington Post

New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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It's an upgrade. Of course it can't be worse but it will take time for Zorn to rid this team of bums on offense.
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Sorry, but I'm going to have to see better performance from this offense before I conclude that someone's an upgrade over Al Saunders, especially given that this "upgrade" will be based upon an entirely different scheme (the Walsh/Holmgren WCO versus the Coryell coaching tree) that utilizes entirely different terminology. Campbell was improving under Saunders. I think Portis could benefit from more receptions and fewer runs between the tackles that wear him down. Cooley should likewise be fine. Otherwise, I'm concerned about the following:

1) Campbell and the WR's adjusting from a more vertically oriented passing game to one that utilizes more screens, slants, and crossing routes (I will note that Campbell has probably been best passing over the middle of the field in the intermediate range, and he did run a WCO at least one year in college);

2) there are no established WR's on the roster who are over 6' tall, which is not what you want with the WCO; and

3) an older offensive line that has been built around power running now switching to a more finesse style of run-blocking.

In other words, there's a lot of work to do.
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DJ Hackett (6'1") is the only regular Seahawk WR the last several years over 6', since KDrop (who is also only 6'1"). It's not ideal, but that's where the big athletic TE comes into the WCO. For those talking earlier about the demise of Cooley in a WCO, think of the Niners TEs mentioned earlier along with guys like Chmura and Franks in GB. Hasselbeck has been extremely effective without anyone (WR) over 6' for most of his time in Seattle. I wouldn't worry about height as a major problem to overcome.

 
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:bag: :bag: every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
 
buster c said:
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:lmao: :goodposting: every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
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:lmao: at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have? :lmao:
 
Brutis said:
buster c said:
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:lmao: :goodposting: every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
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:lmao: at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have? :lmao:
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How have the Cowboys done since the real "JJ" and the roster he built left?
 
Akkum said:
Brutis said:
buster c said:
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:lmao: :thumbup: every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
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;) at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have? ;)
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How have the Cowboys done since the real "JJ" and the roster he built left?
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No kidding. Cowboys fans have no room to talk with their 6 straight playoff losses.
 
cstu said:
Akkum said:
Brutis said:
buster c said:
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:yes: :lmao: every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
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;) at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have? :lmao:
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How have the Cowboys done since the real "JJ" and the roster he built left?
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No kidding. Cowboys fans have no room to talk with their 6 straight playoff losses.
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JJ = 3 ringsSnyder = 0 rings :lmao:
 
Arm Chair Express said:
Ripleys said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.Source: Washington Post New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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I think it bodes well for the offense. Portis has definitely proven he's a great all around back, and did very well in the passing game this year. He will be a great back in a WCO. I also think this helps Santana Moss tremendously. Only guy I worry about is Cooley. I just can't think of any TEs that really flourished in a west coast offense (who am I forgetting?)
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Off Hand: Shannon Sharp, LJ Smith
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GB - Mark Chmura, Bubba Franks, Keith JacksonSF - Brent JonesCIN - Bob Trumpy
 
Brutis said:
cstu said:
Akkum said:
Brutis said:
buster c said:
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:mellow: :goodposting:

every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
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:lmao: at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have? :lmao:
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How have the Cowboys done since the real "JJ" and the roster he built left?
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No kidding. Cowboys fans have no room to talk with their 6 straight playoff losses.
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JJ = 3 ringsSnyder = 0 rings

:lmao:
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Of course JJ has been at it for twice as long . . .Let's look at the roster of coaches these guys have hired, something which we know they control, and see what we have:

Jones:

Johnson - great hire . . . of course Jerruh ran him off at the peak of his success

Switzer - read as "keep this seat warm and don't do anything to hurt Jimmy's team while it wins championships"

Gailey - an ok assistant coach, but most importantly nobody strong enough to challenge Jerruh

Campo - see Gailey

Parcells - read as "Ok, I've drafted like caca for a decade without anyone's help and my team's in trouble, so I'd better bring in a football guy."

Phillips - "Now that Bill and his people have saved my bacon by accumulating and coaching good personnel, [see Gailey]"

Snyder:

Schottenheimer - bona fide football guy, but Snyder's mistake was that he surrendered too much power to him, especially over personnel, and Marty's megalomaniacal tendencies came out

Spurrier - praised by virtually everyone at the time of the hire, Spurrier was a mess, but I can't fault the aggressive risk taking; this was high risk/high reward, but the risk won out

Gibbs - a coup of a hire, he let Gibbs work (most of) his old magic and the team got better, but Gibbs was no longer the innovator he was the first time around, which is not Snyder's fault

Zorn - largely unknown as of yet, and under-qualified on paper, but I'm a big fan of taking risks with first time coaches as opposed to taking the "safer" route with retreads

The themes here IMHO are that Jones tends to hire personalities that will bow to his direct, hands-on (and I would add "official", as he's the GM) control over personnel matters, unless and until he's at a crisis point (like three consecutive 5-11 seasons) at which point he'll panic and hire a real football guy to resuscitate the franchise; in other words Parcells is the only thing that separates Jerruh's last 13 years from Al Davis; Snyder seems to be looking for the best coach he can find, including hiring a couple of first timers who seem like they want their first shot. Zorn could be a step back the way that Spurrier was, but I don't sense at all a fear of hiring a coach who is a strong personality and deferring to him if he likes him.

 
Brutis said:
cstu said:
Akkum said:
Brutis said:
buster c said:
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:mellow: :goodposting: every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
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:lmao: at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have? :lmao:
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How have the Cowboys done since the real "JJ" and the roster he built left?
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No kidding. Cowboys fans have no room to talk with their 6 straight playoff losses.
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JJ = 3 ringsSnyder = 0 rings :lmao:
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Neither the Redskins nor Cowboys have anything to brag about from the last 10 years. Both teams had their times, but they haven't come recently.
 
Daniel Snyder wants a guy who won't stand up to him and cause team turmoil. Answer = Jim Zorn. The only problem is, the coaching decision alone caused the team turmoil.

O/u on Washington wins next year? 6.5

 
redman said:
Enforcer said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....

Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et

The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.

Source: Washington Post

New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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This bolded comment is laughable.

Zorn is a complete unknown. He may do well, and I certainly wish him the best.In Seattle, one single man took the majority of the burden when it came to game planning and 100% of the burden when it came to calling plays. That was Mike Holmgren. Further, if Hollmgren was to lean on someone for advice at a given point it would be his offensive coordinator, not the quarterbacks coach.
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Really? That seems like an overstatement, and I can't help but note your location and presume your bias when I read something like that.
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I watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan. I hope he does well, but anyone calling him a "bright offensive mind" is really searching for things to say. We don't know. He might be. He might not. He had little to no responsibility in Seattle as far as being an offensive mind went. That was all on Holmgren. Their successes and failures are on his shoulders. He's been very clear where the buck stops. As a fan of the Zorn I hope he does well. What else can we say but maybe?
 
Enforcer said:
redman said:
Enforcer said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....

Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et

The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.

Source: Washington Post

New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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This bolded comment is laughable.

Zorn is a complete unknown. He may do well, and I certainly wish him the best.In Seattle, one single man took the majority of the burden when it came to game planning and 100% of the burden when it came to calling plays. That was Mike Holmgren. Further, if Hollmgren was to lean on someone for advice at a given point it would be his offensive coordinator, not the quarterbacks coach.
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Really? That seems like an overstatement, and I can't help but note your location and presume your bias when I read something like that.
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I watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan. I hope he does well, but anyone calling him a "bright offensive mind" is really searching for things to say. We don't know. He might be. He might not. He had little to no responsibility in Seattle as far as being an offensive mind went. That was all on Holmgren. Their successes and failures are on his shoulders. He's been very clear where the buck stops. As a fan of the Zorn I hope he does well. What else can we say but maybe?
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Is Dilfer full of crap then?
Around 2001, as defenses became more extravagant and teams employed new blitz schemes, it was Zorn, along with Hasselbeck and Dilfer, who designed the Seahawks' responses to those changes, Dilfer said. Then Zorn would take the new plays to Holmgren, mining the dangerous waters of a coach who did not like his system to be questioned.

"He pretty much deserves more credit for Seattle's evolution as an offense than anyone on that staff," Dilfer said.
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Good article from Michael Wilbon in the Washington Post:

More Than Sizzle At StakeBy Michael WilbonSunday, February 10, 2008It didn't work out particularly well when Daniel Snyder went out and boldly hired Marty Schottenheimer and gave him control of the entire football team for a year. It certainly didn't work out particularly well when Snyder wooed the Ol' Ball Coach, Steve Spurrier, out of Florida and the college ranks to come and coach the Redskins. And while the Washington Redskins have made two playoff appearances in the last three years, that's certainly not the extent of what Snyder envisioned when he brought Joe Gibbs back for The Sequel. In each of those cases it turned out that the hype far exceeded production.Virtually every big-splash acquisition over the last seven years, whether it was a player or a coach, has turned out to be, well, overstated. A great many times Snyder has gone out and gotten exactly the guy he had in his sights, from Deion Sanders to Al Saunders, and watched it fall somewhere between disappointing and disaster. You cannot fault Snyder one bit for effort.Nobody can ever accuse the Redskins' owner of doing anything halfway. Still, the top choices haven't produced top results.And that brings me to Jim Zorn, newly and somewhat surprisingly now the head coach of the Redskins. Nothing the Redskins have done in Snyder's tenure has had less fanfare than the announcement of Zorn as coach.It might be the best thing that's happened to the franchise in a long time. If any franchise could benefit from a hire with no hype, with no fanfare, with no overstatement about what he's going to do and how he's going to do it, it's the Washington Redskins.Clearly, Zorn wasn't Snyder's first choice, and that's probably a good thing, too. If Jim Spagnuolo, the Giants' defensive coordinator and Super Bowl game-plan hero, had wanted the gig, he'd have been introduced as head coach, and trust me, it wouldn't have been at 6:30 on a Saturday night. If Bill Cowher had wanted to end his sabbatical after one season, Zorn would have been introduced to his new boss, and Cowher's introduction would have been treated at Redskins Park like the arrival of a deity. Even the hiring of Jim Fassel would have created a buzz simply because he's been to a Super Bowl, because he played on the big stage in New York.People here had a reaction to Fassel -- and not a good one, since he coached the Giants. Nevertheless, it was a reaction. Zorn? My bet is 70 percent of the people who own season tickets to Redskins games have no idea who Zorn is. Even to people who follow pro football fairly closely, Zorn was the guy who threw to Steve Largent when Seattle's franchise was born, but was replaced by Dave Krieg by the time the Seahawks were any good.What Zorn was doing was transitioning from player to coach. Boise State, then Utah State, then the University of Minnesota. The last 10 years it's been the Seahawks, Lions and Seahawks again. No glamorous stops. Nobody was making a huge fuss over him like Norm Chow or Rick Neuheisel.Most everybody you talk to about Zorn swears he's spent the time to become a really, really good offensive coach. Knows the game inside out because he played it. Learned to communicate it. Is especially effective working with quarterbacks (which ought to come in handy considering the Redskins have a young one who needs to be coached up).The stories over the next couple of days will concentrate on whether Snyder got the coach he wanted, when the critical thing is whether Snyder got the coach the Redskins need. Lack of sizzle and anticipation doesn't mean Zorn's not a good choice. That the search went from Gregg Williams to Fassel to Spagnuolo to Zorn and turned into a soap opera also doesn't mean Zorn isn't the right guy.If he becomes to the Redskins what Jeff Fisher has become to the Tennessee Titans, would it matter whether Zorn was the first, fourth or sixth choice? It's possible that Snyder and the Redskins backslid into hiring just the right guy while looking from New York to Arizona for a guy with a higher profile who might not be any better than Zorn. Stumbling onto the head coach of an NFL team when the owner has unlimited resources at his disposal is a comical story now. If Zorn winds up being as successful as the handpicked men with greater resumes and reputations, it could ultimately serve as a cautionary tale.
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Sidewinder16 said:
Enforcer said:
redman said:
Enforcer said:
Fantasy Football Junkie said:
From rotoworld.....

Redskins Offense-TM-Redskins Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et

The Associated Press reports that Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach. NFL Network's Adam Schefter and the Washington Post's Jason LaConfora first reported it was likely Saturday afternoon.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public's reaction to him. Jason Campbell will have to learn Zorn's West Coast offense.

Source: Washington Post

New offense. How will this affect FF players on Redskins?
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This bolded comment is laughable.

Zorn is a complete unknown. He may do well, and I certainly wish him the best.In Seattle, one single man took the majority of the burden when it came to game planning and 100% of the burden when it came to calling plays. That was Mike Holmgren. Further, if Hollmgren was to lean on someone for advice at a given point it would be his offensive coordinator, not the quarterbacks coach.
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Really? That seems like an overstatement, and I can't help but note your location and presume your bias when I read something like that.
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I watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan. I hope he does well, but anyone calling him a "bright offensive mind" is really searching for things to say. We don't know. He might be. He might not. He had little to no responsibility in Seattle as far as being an offensive mind went. That was all on Holmgren. Their successes and failures are on his shoulders. He's been very clear where the buck stops. As a fan of the Zorn I hope he does well. What else can we say but maybe?
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Is Dilfer full of crap then?
Around 2001, as defenses became more extravagant and teams employed new blitz schemes, it was Zorn, along with Hasselbeck and Dilfer, who designed the Seahawks' responses to those changes, Dilfer said. Then Zorn would take the new plays to Holmgren, mining the dangerous waters of a coach who did not like his system to be questioned.

"He pretty much deserves more credit for Seattle's evolution as an offense than anyone on that staff," Dilfer said.
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Yeah, but Enforcer "watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan," so Enforcer is obviously in a better position to know.
 
Jeff Haseley said:
Daniel Snyder wants a guy who won't stand up to him and cause team turmoil. Answer = Jim Zorn.
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:lmao: Seems the more his former players talk, the less he sounds like the type of coach you think he is.

Dilfer remembers Zorn being the only man on the Seahawks' coaching staff who would challenge the iron rule of Holmgren, who often stood as an intimidating presence to other coaches and players, frequently volcanic in his displeasure.
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Jeff Haseley said:
The only problem is, the coaching decision alone caused the team turmoil.
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There were reports that some defensive players weren't happy with the release of Williams, but the promotion of Blache seems to have alleviated a lot of those concerns.I haven't seen anything but positive reports from 'Skins players regarding Zorn. Do you have a link for the turmoil his hiring has caused within the team?

 
redman said:
Yeah, but Enforcer "watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan," so Enforcer is obviously in a better position to know.
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:lmao:I honestly don't know much about Zorn or Dilfer. I was just hoping a 'Hawks fan knew something I didn't. I don't see a reason why Dilfer would make up something that random and easily refutable by current Seahawk players and staff, but again, what do I know.
 
Brutis said:
buster c said:
fatness said:
For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.
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:lmao: :lmao: every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ
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:lmao: at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have? :lmao:
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Real question is how many SB rings did JJ get without Jimmy Johnson or his picked players.
 
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