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**** Official 2008 Dallas Cowboys Off Season Thread**** (1 Viewer)

Somebody help me with a salary cap question. You guys keep saying if they sign X player for say 10 million, then that comes off the cap. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you middle or backload contracts as well as give a signing bonus to manipulate the cap hit? I mean if we sign Flo for 3 years at say 20 million with a signing bonus of 10 million, wouldn't the cap hit be smaller then 10 per year?

I didn't explain that as well as I would have liked to but I think you will get the point.

 
Frank Fontaine said:
Somebody help me with a salary cap question. You guys keep saying if they sign X player for say 10 million, then that comes off the cap. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you middle or backload contracts as well as give a signing bonus to manipulate the cap hit? I mean if we sign Flo for 3 years at say 20 million with a signing bonus of 10 million, wouldn't the cap hit be smaller then 10 per year?I didn't explain that as well as I would have liked to but I think you will get the point.
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I get what you're asking.O.K., if the Cowboys signed Flo to a 3-year, $20 million deal and a signing bonus of $10 million, it would depend on how much money was assigned to each year of the contract. As for the $10 million signing bonus, $3.33 million would be assigned to each year against the cap. One year actually $3.34 million.Example: Contract may be $6.66 million the first year, $1.67 million the second year and $1.67 million the third year and then the $3.33 million of signing bonus towards the cap each year although the bonus was paid up front. This would be a front-loaded contract, with a majority of the money being paid in the first year. Cap hit first year-$10 million, second year-$5 million, third year-$5 million.If Flo was cut next offseason, before June 1st, the cap hit would be $6.66 million ($3.33 million of signing bonus per year x 2 remaining years) against that year's cap (2009). If they waited til AFTER June 1st, then it would be $3.33 million against the 2009 cap and then $3.33 million against the 2010 cap.The $1.67 million per year of the "actual" contract for the second and third year would go away.Does this help? Note: The Cowboys actually had just over a $4 million cap charge in 2007 for Drew Bledsoe for his remaining signing bonus. This is commonly referred to as "dead money" by which all teams deal with. It's just part of the salary-cap game.
 
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Thanks Andy. That's what I thought. I asked because I keep seeing people mention that if we sign X player for 10 mill, it means it's 10 mill off this years cap and it just isn't true.

In other words, no way in holy hell does Flozel NOT get re-signed.

 
I would like to see Flozell The Hotel Back next season as well but at the same time, I dont want to break the bank for a guy who probably has two seasons left. I would like to see how the young guys can do. Having Tony Romo back there makes it a lot easier to play OT. Remember how much flack Flozell was catching when he was blocking for Testeverde and Bledsoe.

I also dont want Asante Samuel. The guy is great, I wont argue that but I want to keep Newman and Henry and spend the money to keep both of them and Hamlin. I would be perfectly fine with grabbing the guy from San Diego to fill in the nickel. He is already familiar with the system and there is no way he is worse than Reeves.

I would like to come out of the draft with a free agent CB already in the mix, Mario Manningham or Limas Sweed and Felix Jones. I think there are players in the second round that could come in for depth at CB. We already have a couple of young corners, no need to spend a first rounder on a CB especially if we can get a veteran guy. I would like to come out of the draft with two immediate and future impact players to learn behind the vets we have.

 
According to two sources, the Cowboys have had discussions with Zach Thomas' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, about bringing the veteran linebacker in for a visit after the NFL scouting combine concludes Feb. 26.

Link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...as.2f186dd.html

I find this to be a bit curious. Thomas has said to be interested in Dallas, New England, San Diego and Indianapolis as far as potential destinations in his mind. He is also reportedly scheduled to visit New Orleans next week. Thomas will turn 35 in September, and with his concussion history, I don't know.

Currently, the Cowboys have only five players on their roster 30-years-old or older, which include Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Flozell Adams, and Jason Ferguson. A young team, that may become younger if any or all of the last three don't return. Are they looking for some veteran leadership?

Are they looking to creat cap space? What if they are considering signing Thomas for the minimum and rotate him with Kevin Burnett at inside linebacker alongside Bradie James? Can they gain cap space by releasing Akin Ayodele? Just thinking out loud here. It's not like they are in "dire" need of linebacker help, though there is room for improvement. Point being, with limited cap space available come March 1st presently (Adams, Hamlin, Barber, and Canty will soak up a great deal of it), I don't know that linebacker would be the first position to address. There must be an ulterior motive here.

 
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Good piece today.

Mac Engel of the Star-Telegram breaks down the Cowboys offseason needs by position, along with possible solutions, and backs my proclaimed trade possibility for Larry Fitzgerald or the Lions' Roy Williams.

Good stuff:

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/478569.html

On another front, don't be surprised if the Cowboys don't get anything done with Flozell Adams this week. I get the feeling they are willing to wait and let him test the market before reaching a decision.

 
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Wouldnt surprise me to see the Cowboys letting Flozell walk, even though I dont want them to.

Wouldnt surprise me at all to see the Cowboys sign Zach Thomas, he is a leader and a vet presence on a defense that could use that type of leadership. The guy makes plays, system or not.

Would surprise me to see Larry Fitzgerald or Roy Williams playing in Dallas. Roy Williams is a slight possibility but I doubt it.

 
Andy Herron said:
From today's Dallas Morning News:

"The Cowboys are waiting to see what Adams gets on the open market before extending a deal.

If the price for Adams is too high for the Cowboys, Pat McQuistan starts at left tackle."

Link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...de.2cfcf52.html
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At this point I would be surprised to see Flo in a Cowboys uniform next year. I just cant imagine a deal that would make sense for both sides and as stated before the franchise tag would cost in excess of 9 million which eats up to much cap space. I really think that Pat McQ will be able to step in and fill the void that Flo leaves.
 
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Wouldnt surprise me to see the Cowboys letting Flozell walk, even though I dont want them to. Wouldnt surprise me at all to see the Cowboys sign Zach Thomas, he is a leader and a vet presence on a defense that could use that type of leadership. The guy makes plays, system or not. Would surprise me to see Larry Fitzgerald or Roy Williams playing in Dallas. Roy Williams is a slight possibility but I doubt it.
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I'd take Zach Thomas over Larry Fitzgerald or Roy Williams in a heartbeat. I'd be very, very excited if Zach Thomas was a Cowboy.
 
Regarding Flo,

Does it make any sense to let him go if: 1) We are not confident in his replacements; and 2) We are pushing to win NOW. If there's any question at all about who can play effectively at LT, you don't let a 4 time pro bowler go. It makes no sense. If Flo is let go, you can be assured that management believes in either McQ or Free, or likely both.

They've been held hostage by bad tackle play recently. You better believe they don't want to go there again. They could afford Flo if they need to. If he's let go, its a sure sign that they feel he can be adequately replaced.

 
Frank Fontaine said:
Andy Herron said:
From today's Dallas Morning News:

"The Cowboys are waiting to see what Adams gets on the open market before extending a deal.

If the price for Adams is too high for the Cowboys, Pat McQuistan starts at left tackle."

Link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...de.2cfcf52.html
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And Tony Romo gets killed.
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Mc Q will be fine. More than likely they would move Columbo over and put Mc Q on the other side. Romo's mobility can make a line look a lot better than they really are anyway.
 
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Regarding Flo, Does it make any sense to let him go if: 1) We are not confident in his replacements; and 2) We are pushing to win NOW. If there's any question at all about who can play effectively at LT, you don't let a 4 time pro bowler go. It makes no sense. If Flo is let go, you can be assured that management believes in either McQ or Free, or likely both. They've been held hostage by bad tackle play recently. You better believe they don't want to go there again. They could afford Flo if they need to. If he's let go, its a sure sign that they feel he can be adequately replaced.
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Great post. I agree 100%. Especially with Houck back running the line. I think he will have Free and Mc Q ready to battle for a starting spot. I do like Columbo a lot though.
 
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Regarding Flo, Does it make any sense to let him go if: 1) We are not confident in his replacements; and 2) We are pushing to win NOW. If there's any question at all about who can play effectively at LT, you don't let a 4 time pro bowler go. It makes no sense. If Flo is let go, you can be assured that management believes in either McQ or Free, or likely both. They've been held hostage by bad tackle play recently. You better believe they don't want to go there again. They could afford Flo if they need to. If he's let go, its a sure sign that they feel he can be adequately replaced.
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Yep.Too many other priorities with too little money to go around.Specifically Barber, Hamlin, and Canty. McQuistan was one of the very few, if not the only one, that Parcells had nothing but very high praise for when he was still here, and Parcells isn't one to praise ANYBODY!
 
Something occurred to me yesterday, and I'm just wondering what the rest of you would think of this. Let me at first say, there is no basis to this whatsoever, unlike the Larry Fitzgerald and the Lions' Roy Williams situations. Simply a "what if...".

The Falcons' DeAngelo Hall is in the last year of his contract, and is seeking a long-term deal. The Falcons have said to be interested in exploring trade possibilities before moving forward with the "disgruntled" cornerback. The relationship has worn thin in Atlanta.

The Cowboys have turned their franchise tag focus to S Ken Hamlin, a $4.396 million cap charge if they don't reach a long-term deal with him themselves. There has been talk that they could possibly move CB Anthony Henry to safety eventually if the need arises.

The Cowboys need a third corner, obviously, and are expected to address it either by signing a second-tier free agent (Drayton Florence?) or drafting one with one of their two first-round picks (#22 and #28).

Let's say we offer Atlanta our #28 pick for Hall, assuming he leaves his baggage at the door, and restructure a (long-term)contract for him that would be more cap-friendly this year than what the tag for Hamlin would bring, or even what a long-term deal for what Hamlin wants would be. Better leverage with Hall. He wants out of Atlanta, you'd think. I think Dallas could save some 2008 cap money here.

Now, we would have Newman and Hall starting at CB, with Henry and Williams at safety. Hold on, stay with me. In the nickel, Newman moves to the slot, like he always does. Henry moves to corner, familiar territory, and Watkins comes in at safety, which he does at times anyway and continues to be groomed for starting eventually. The Cowboys could still draft a corner in the second round or so, and use the remaining first-round pick on a RB or WR.

Not likely to happen, but I think this would work. What say you?

 
Andy Herron said:
Something occurred to me yesterday, and I'm just wondering what the rest of you would think of this. Let me at first say, there is no basis to this whatsoever, unlike the Larry Fitzgerald and the Lions' Roy Williams situations. Simply a "what if...".The Falcons' DeAngelo Hall is in the last year of his contract, and is seeking a long-term deal. The Falcons have said to be interested in exploring trade possibilities before moving forward with the "disgruntled" cornerback. The relationship has worn thin in Atlanta.The Cowboys have turned their franchise tag focus to S Ken Hamlin, a $4.396 million cap charge if they don't reach a long-term deal with him themselves. There has been talk that they could possibly move CB Anthony Henry to safety eventually if the need arises.The Cowboys need a third corner, obviously, and are expected to address it either by signing a second-tier free agent (Drayton Florence?) or drafting one with one of their two first-round picks (#22 and #28). Let's say we offer Atlanta our #28 pick for Hall, assuming he leaves his baggage at the door, and restructure a (long-term)contract for him that would be more cap-friendly this year than what the tag for Hamlin would bring, or even what a long-term deal for what Hamlin wants would be. Better leverage with Hall. He wants out of Atlanta, you'd think. I think Dallas could save some 2008 cap money here.Now, we would have Newman and Hall starting at CB, with Henry and Williams at safety. Hold on, stay with me. In the nickel, Newman moves to the slot, like he always does. Henry moves to corner, familiar territory, and Watkins comes in at safety, which he does at times anyway and continues to be groomed for starting eventually. The Cowboys could still draft a corner in the second round or so, and use the remaining first-round pick on a RB or WR.Not likely to happen, but I think this would work. What say you?
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I appreciate the time and effort in the post. However, Hall.....no thanks.I don't mind the Florence idea or even Randall Gay combined with still drafting a CB with one of the first 2 picks. I am not convinced moving Henry to S is the best idea either. It seems like a waste of a first round pick top me. Just my $0.02
 
Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
Something occurred to me yesterday, and I'm just wondering what the rest of you would think of this. Let me at first say, there is no basis to this whatsoever, unlike the Larry Fitzgerald and the Lions' Roy Williams situations. Simply a "what if...".The Falcons' DeAngelo Hall is in the last year of his contract, and is seeking a long-term deal. The Falcons have said to be interested in exploring trade possibilities before moving forward with the "disgruntled" cornerback. The relationship has worn thin in Atlanta.The Cowboys have turned their franchise tag focus to S Ken Hamlin, a $4.396 million cap charge if they don't reach a long-term deal with him themselves. There has been talk that they could possibly move CB Anthony Henry to safety eventually if the need arises.The Cowboys need a third corner, obviously, and are expected to address it either by signing a second-tier free agent (Drayton Florence?) or drafting one with one of their two first-round picks (#22 and #28). Let's say we offer Atlanta our #28 pick for Hall, assuming he leaves his baggage at the door, and restructure a (long-term)contract for him that would be more cap-friendly this year than what the tag for Hamlin would bring, or even what a long-term deal for what Hamlin wants would be. Better leverage with Hall. He wants out of Atlanta, you'd think. I think Dallas could save some 2008 cap money here.Now, we would have Newman and Hall starting at CB, with Henry and Williams at safety. Hold on, stay with me. In the nickel, Newman moves to the slot, like he always does. Henry moves to corner, familiar territory, and Watkins comes in at safety, which he does at times anyway and continues to be groomed for starting eventually. The Cowboys could still draft a corner in the second round or so, and use the remaining first-round pick on a RB or WR.Not likely to happen, but I think this would work. What say you?
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I appreciate the time and effort in the post. However, Hall.....no thanks.I don't mind the Florence idea or even Randall Gay combined with still drafting a CB with one of the first 2 picks. I am not convinced moving Henry to S is the best idea either. It seems like a waste of a first round pick top me. Just my $0.02
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I hear ya. But Hall is a proven and talented corner. One of the better ones in the league. Would they get the same with that draft pick? No guarantees there.
 
I would trade either first round pick for Hall in a heart beat without a second thought about it.

The only thing that would worry me is having all that money invested in our CB with him and Newman being elite CB with elite CB pay days.

 
I dont understand why everyone thinks its so easy for Henry to move to S. He hasnt played the position in like 5-7 years so I am sure there would be a learning curve. Plus thats alot of risk (not signing Hamlin relying on Watkins). I really hope the Cowboys find a way to sign Hamlin he is a crucial piece to fixing the secondary and no offense Andy but it seems far fetched to move so many people around and trade for another CB.

 
Andy Herron said:
Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
Something occurred to me yesterday, and I'm just wondering what the rest of you would think of this. Let me at first say, there is no basis to this whatsoever, unlike the Larry Fitzgerald and the Lions' Roy Williams situations. Simply a "what if...".The Falcons' DeAngelo Hall is in the last year of his contract, and is seeking a long-term deal. The Falcons have said to be interested in exploring trade possibilities before moving forward with the "disgruntled" cornerback. The relationship has worn thin in Atlanta.The Cowboys have turned their franchise tag focus to S Ken Hamlin, a $4.396 million cap charge if they don't reach a long-term deal with him themselves. There has been talk that they could possibly move CB Anthony Henry to safety eventually if the need arises.The Cowboys need a third corner, obviously, and are expected to address it either by signing a second-tier free agent (Drayton Florence?) or drafting one with one of their two first-round picks (#22 and #28). Let's say we offer Atlanta our #28 pick for Hall, assuming he leaves his baggage at the door, and restructure a (long-term)contract for him that would be more cap-friendly this year than what the tag for Hamlin would bring, or even what a long-term deal for what Hamlin wants would be. Better leverage with Hall. He wants out of Atlanta, you'd think. I think Dallas could save some 2008 cap money here.Now, we would have Newman and Hall starting at CB, with Henry and Williams at safety. Hold on, stay with me. In the nickel, Newman moves to the slot, like he always does. Henry moves to corner, familiar territory, and Watkins comes in at safety, which he does at times anyway and continues to be groomed for starting eventually. The Cowboys could still draft a corner in the second round or so, and use the remaining first-round pick on a RB or WR.Not likely to happen, but I think this would work. What say you?
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I appreciate the time and effort in the post. However, Hall.....no thanks.I don't mind the Florence idea or even Randall Gay combined with still drafting a CB with one of the first 2 picks. I am not convinced moving Henry to S is the best idea either. It seems like a waste of a first round pick top me. Just my $0.02
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I hear ya. But Hall is a proven and talented corner. One of the better ones in the league. Would they get the same with that draft pick? No guarantees there.
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The point I am making is......you are then paying mega bucks for 3 corners.Henry is not a for sure stud at Safety if that is what you would do. We have Hamlin already, tag him.Hall has had some problems recently and is highly over rated imo. Not a high character guy.Not a fan of giving up a first for him while wasting valuable cap space when you can keep Hamlin, sign a FA and draft a decent CB and still address an other team need (WR or RB) with the other first rounder.
 
It's just a hypothetical, and I'm aware Newman is due a new contract next year.

It just concerns me that the Cowboys are up against the clock in getting something done with Hamlin, with no real assurances things are progressing at this point. Believe me, I like Hamlin, and was one who was lobbying loudest around here to sign him initially, even when he was a RFA two years ago. This secondary has suffered at FS since Darren Woodson retired. I was a proponent of bringing him here all along, but what if he leaves? Then what?

Better to have an alternate plan than none at all. The free agent market for a FS is bare, minus Hamlin.

 
Andy Herron said:
It's just a hypothetical, and I'm aware Newman is due a new contract next year. It just concerns me that the Cowboys are up against the clock in getting something done with Hamlin, with no real assurances things are progressing at this point. Believe me, I like Hamlin, and was one who was lobbying loudest around here to sign him initially, even when he was a RFA two years ago. This secondary has suffered at FS since Darren Woodson retired. I was a proponent of bringing him here all along, but what if he leaves? Then what? Better to have an alternate plan than none at all. The free agent market for a FS is bare, minus Hamlin.
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They have till 3pm today to decide who they are tagging.
 
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Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
It's just a hypothetical, and I'm aware Newman is due a new contract next year. It just concerns me that the Cowboys are up against the clock in getting something done with Hamlin, with no real assurances things are progressing at this point. Believe me, I like Hamlin, and was one who was lobbying loudest around here to sign him initially, even when he was a RFA two years ago. This secondary has suffered at FS since Darren Woodson retired. I was a proponent of bringing him here all along, but what if he leaves? Then what? Better to have an alternate plan than none at all. The free agent market for a FS is bare, minus Hamlin.
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They have till 3pm today to decide who they are tagging.
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Right. That's what I'm talking about. I hope they tag him if they have to, but there's been no indication that there's any certainty to that.The Cowboys don't typically like to use the tag.
 
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Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
It's just a hypothetical, and I'm aware Newman is due a new contract next year. It just concerns me that the Cowboys are up against the clock in getting something done with Hamlin, with no real assurances things are progressing at this point. Believe me, I like Hamlin, and was one who was lobbying loudest around here to sign him initially, even when he was a RFA two years ago. This secondary has suffered at FS since Darren Woodson retired. I was a proponent of bringing him here all along, but what if he leaves? Then what? Better to have an alternate plan than none at all. The free agent market for a FS is bare, minus Hamlin.
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They have till 3pm today to decide who they are tagging.
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Right. That's what I'm talking about. I hope they tag him if they have to, but there's been no indication that there's any certainty to that.The Cowboys don't typically like to use the tag.
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Done!POSTED 2:05 p.m. EST, February 21, 2008COWBOYS TAG HAMLINWith the deadline for using the franchise tag looming at 4:00 p.m. EST on Thursday, the Cowboys have used theirs on safety Ken Hamlin, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.Hamlin signed a one-year deal with the Cowboys last year during free agency. He started in every game, and had a career-high five interceptions.The move might have been prompted in part by the decision of the Vikings to cut safety Dwight Smith, since the Vikings might have pursued Hamlin aggressively in free agency.The use of the tag on Hamlin also means that left tackle Flozell Adams will become an unrestricted free agent.
 
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POSTED 2:05 p.m. EST, February 21, 2008COWBOYS TAG HAMLINWith the deadline for using the franchise tag looming at 4:00 p.m. EST on Thursday, the Cowboys have used theirs on safety Ken Hamlin, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.Hamlin signed a one-year deal with the Cowboys last year during free agency. He started in every game, and had a career-high five interceptions.The move might have been prompted in part by the decision of the Vikings to cut safety Dwight Smith, since the Vikings might have pursued Hamlin aggressively in free agency.The use of the tag on Hamlin also means that left tackle Flozell Adams will become an unrestricted free agent.
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Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
It's just a hypothetical, and I'm aware Newman is due a new contract next year. It just concerns me that the Cowboys are up against the clock in getting something done with Hamlin, with no real assurances things are progressing at this point. Believe me, I like Hamlin, and was one who was lobbying loudest around here to sign him initially, even when he was a RFA two years ago. This secondary has suffered at FS since Darren Woodson retired. I was a proponent of bringing him here all along, but what if he leaves? Then what? Better to have an alternate plan than none at all. The free agent market for a FS is bare, minus Hamlin.
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They have till 3pm today to decide who they are tagging.
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Right. That's what I'm talking about. I hope they tag him if they have to, but there's been no indication that there's any certainty to that.The Cowboys don't typically like to use the tag.
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Done!POSTED 2:05 p.m. EST, February 21, 2008COWBOYS TAG HAMLINWith the deadline for using the franchise tag looming at 4:00 p.m. EST on Thursday, the Cowboys have used theirs on safety Ken Hamlin, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.Hamlin signed a one-year deal with the Cowboys last year during free agency. He started in every game, and had a career-high five interceptions.The move might have been prompted in part by the decision of the Vikings to cut safety Dwight Smith, since the Vikings might have pursued Hamlin aggressively in free agency.The use of the tag on Hamlin also means that left tackle Flozell Adams will become an unrestricted free agent.
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:confused: Got me by a millisecond.
 
scrumptrulescent said:
Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
It's just a hypothetical, and I'm aware Newman is due a new contract next year. It just concerns me that the Cowboys are up against the clock in getting something done with Hamlin, with no real assurances things are progressing at this point. Believe me, I like Hamlin, and was one who was lobbying loudest around here to sign him initially, even when he was a RFA two years ago. This secondary has suffered at FS since Darren Woodson retired. I was a proponent of bringing him here all along, but what if he leaves? Then what? Better to have an alternate plan than none at all. The free agent market for a FS is bare, minus Hamlin.
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They have till 3pm today to decide who they are tagging.
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Right. That's what I'm talking about. I hope they tag him if they have to, but there's been no indication that there's any certainty to that.The Cowboys don't typically like to use the tag.
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Done!POSTED 2:05 p.m. EST, February 21, 2008COWBOYS TAG HAMLINWith the deadline for using the franchise tag looming at 4:00 p.m. EST on Thursday, the Cowboys have used theirs on safety Ken Hamlin, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.Hamlin signed a one-year deal with the Cowboys last year during free agency. He started in every game, and had a career-high five interceptions.The move might have been prompted in part by the decision of the Vikings to cut safety Dwight Smith, since the Vikings might have pursued Hamlin aggressively in free agency.The use of the tag on Hamlin also means that left tackle Flozell Adams will become an unrestricted free agent.
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:unsure: Got me by a millisecond.
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:unsure:This also likely means the end of Flo in Big D.
 
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Bankerguy said:
scrumptrulescent said:
Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
Bankerguy said:
Andy Herron said:
It's just a hypothetical, and I'm aware Newman is due a new contract next year. It just concerns me that the Cowboys are up against the clock in getting something done with Hamlin, with no real assurances things are progressing at this point. Believe me, I like Hamlin, and was one who was lobbying loudest around here to sign him initially, even when he was a RFA two years ago. This secondary has suffered at FS since Darren Woodson retired. I was a proponent of bringing him here all along, but what if he leaves? Then what? Better to have an alternate plan than none at all. The free agent market for a FS is bare, minus Hamlin.
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They have till 3pm today to decide who they are tagging.
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Right. That's what I'm talking about. I hope they tag him if they have to, but there's been no indication that there's any certainty to that.The Cowboys don't typically like to use the tag.
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Done!POSTED 2:05 p.m. EST, February 21, 2008COWBOYS TAG HAMLINWith the deadline for using the franchise tag looming at 4:00 p.m. EST on Thursday, the Cowboys have used theirs on safety Ken Hamlin, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.Hamlin signed a one-year deal with the Cowboys last year during free agency. He started in every game, and had a career-high five interceptions.The move might have been prompted in part by the decision of the Vikings to cut safety Dwight Smith, since the Vikings might have pursued Hamlin aggressively in free agency.The use of the tag on Hamlin also means that left tackle Flozell Adams will become an unrestricted free agent.
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:popcorn: Got me by a millisecond.
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:brush:This also likely means the end of Flo in Big D.
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Yep. He'll end up in Miami.
 
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This doesnt necessarily mean Flo is gone. We still have a week or so for exclusive negotiating. Flo has stated that he WANTS to stay in Dallas. He'd be willing to take a "Home Town Discount". We'll just have to see how it plays out. But its not a foregone conclusion that Flo is out. Probable, yes. Certain, no.

 
I think Flo is going to look around and find out Jerry Jones is going to pay him about the same as everyone else is. He also gets to stay in Texas where there is a chance to win and no state income tax. Dont think that players dont consider this.

 
Why keep drafting all these tackles Marten, Free, McQuistan if your not going to play them? I really think its time to play McQ at LT. An offense the caliber of Dallas will be able to rebound from an occasional sack. Also im sure McQ will probably have less false start penalties. The way I see it by letting Flo go the Cowboys have ample depth at the tackle position and can focus on other pressing needs such as RB, WR, CB, and possibly ILB in free agency.

I have heard uncomfirmed rumors that the Cowboys are not at all happy with the play of Ayodele and he is in danger off being let go if Bobby Carp and Burnett are able to show enough in training camp. Supposedly the position Ayodele plays is supposed to have all the tackles filtered to him and lead the team in tackles and this year Ayodele only recorded 67 tackles.

 
Andy Herron said:
Something occurred to me yesterday, and I'm just wondering what the rest of you would think of this. Let me at first say, there is no basis to this whatsoever, unlike the Larry Fitzgerald and the Lions' Roy Williams situations. Simply a "what if...".The Falcons' DeAngelo Hall is in the last year of his contract, and is seeking a long-term deal. The Falcons have said to be interested in exploring trade possibilities before moving forward with the "disgruntled" cornerback. The relationship has worn thin in Atlanta.The Cowboys have turned their franchise tag focus to S Ken Hamlin, a $4.396 million cap charge if they don't reach a long-term deal with him themselves. There has been talk that they could possibly move CB Anthony Henry to safety eventually if the need arises.The Cowboys need a third corner, obviously, and are expected to address it either by signing a second-tier free agent (Drayton Florence?) or drafting one with one of their two first-round picks (#22 and #28). Let's say we offer Atlanta our #28 pick for Hall, assuming he leaves his baggage at the door, and restructure a (long-term)contract for him that would be more cap-friendly this year than what the tag for Hamlin would bring, or even what a long-term deal for what Hamlin wants would be. Better leverage with Hall. He wants out of Atlanta, you'd think. I think Dallas could save some 2008 cap money here.Now, we would have Newman and Hall starting at CB, with Henry and Williams at safety. Hold on, stay with me. In the nickel, Newman moves to the slot, like he always does. Henry moves to corner, familiar territory, and Watkins comes in at safety, which he does at times anyway and continues to be groomed for starting eventually. The Cowboys could still draft a corner in the second round or so, and use the remaining first-round pick on a RB or WR.Not likely to happen, but I think this would work. What say you?
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Wasn't so far off afterall, was I?Today, from draftdaddy.com:According to our main source in Indianapolis, Atlanta Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall is being shopped league wide. Per the source, there are 7 teams interested in Hall, but the New York Giants have the best offer on the table, right now. Dallas is in it and Jerry Jones has asked for permission to talk numbers. The Cowboys may offer their second first rounder. The word at the convention center that comes from DeAngelo Hall directly is that Rod Coleman and Alge Crumpler and himself are being cleared out because of their support of Michael Vick and the fact that the teams' new G.M. is from the Patriots and wants to scrub the lockeroom clean. Teams interested in Hall that our source has confirmed are: Dallas, New York Giants, Tennessee, Miami, Buffalo, New Orleans and Kansas City.Our source also told us to be patient with this deal, as the Falcons are in no hurry to make this deal. A few years ago, at the 2006 Combine, he correctly told us Javon Walker would be traded from Green Bay to Denver. The trade did happen, but happend on April 29th, 2006.
 
simmonjm said:
Why keep drafting all these tackles Marten, Free, McQuistan if your not going to play them? I really think its time to play McQ at LT. An offense the caliber of Dallas will be able to rebound from an occasional sack. Also im sure McQ will probably have less false start penalties. The way I see it by letting Flo go the Cowboys have ample depth at the tackle position and can focus on other pressing needs such as RB, WR, CB, and possibly ILB in free agency.

I have heard uncomfirmed rumors that the Cowboys are not at all happy with the play of Ayodele and he is in danger off being let go if Bobby Carp and Burnett are able to show enough in training camp. Supposedly the position Ayodele plays is supposed to have all the tackles filtered to him and lead the team in tackles and this year Ayodele only recorded 67 tackles.
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Im very sorry, but I can't take anything you said seriously after reading that comment. All it takes is 1 sack to end Tony Romo's career.

 
Frank Fontaine said:
simmonjm said:
Why keep drafting all these tackles Marten, Free, McQuistan if your not going to play them? I really think its time to play McQ at LT. An offense the caliber of Dallas will be able to rebound from an occasional sack. Also im sure McQ will probably have less false start penalties. The way I see it by letting Flo go the Cowboys have ample depth at the tackle position and can focus on other pressing needs such as RB, WR, CB, and possibly ILB in free agency.

I have heard uncomfirmed rumors that the Cowboys are not at all happy with the play of Ayodele and he is in danger off being let go if Bobby Carp and Burnett are able to show enough in training camp. Supposedly the position Ayodele plays is supposed to have all the tackles filtered to him and lead the team in tackles and this year Ayodele only recorded 67 tackles.
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Im very sorry, but I can't take anything you said seriously after reading that comment. All it takes is 1 sack to end Tony Romo's career.

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A car wreck could do the same thing but I don't think they are going to have Romo carried to each game inside an armored car loaded full of packing peanuts. I like Flo but I don't see a reason to sign a 32 year old tackle to a huge long term deal when you have 2 first round picks and young talent on your team.
 
Tyrion said:
Frank Fontaine said:
simmonjm said:
Why keep drafting all these tackles Marten, Free, McQuistan if your not going to play them? I really think its time to play McQ at LT. An offense the caliber of Dallas will be able to rebound from an occasional sack. Also im sure McQ will probably have less false start penalties. The way I see it by letting Flo go the Cowboys have ample depth at the tackle position and can focus on other pressing needs such as RB, WR, CB, and possibly ILB in free agency.

I have heard uncomfirmed rumors that the Cowboys are not at all happy with the play of Ayodele and he is in danger off being let go if Bobby Carp and Burnett are able to show enough in training camp. Supposedly the position Ayodele plays is supposed to have all the tackles filtered to him and lead the team in tackles and this year Ayodele only recorded 67 tackles.
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Im very sorry, but I can't take anything you said seriously after reading that comment. All it takes is 1 sack to end Tony Romo's career.

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A car wreck could do the same thing but I don't think they are going to have Romo carried to each game inside an armored car loaded full of packing peanuts. I like Flo but I don't see a reason to sign a 32 year old tackle to a huge long term deal when you have 2 first round picks and young talent on your team.
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Yea, that's exactly the same.
 
I would love to see Dallas swoop in and trade one of their 1st round picks for D.Hall then grab the best CB with the other 1st round pick. Im tired of not being able to hide Jaques Reeves when he's on the field as the 3rd CB. This RB class is so deep I would rather wait on a RB in rd3 or rd4 instead of burning a 1st rd pick on a part time/change of pace rb.

 
Word here in Dallas is that negotiations to re-sign Flozell have become increasingly stronger since tagging Hamlin.

They may get something done with him yet. I know the Jets and Dolphins have become highly interested since he didn't get tagged.

If they can get him signed, I'll be curious to see how they approach clearing further needed cap space. Not that they don't have viable options, such as restructuring Romo's contract and others, but I think cuts may be involved. Akin Ayodele possibly.

 
Frank Fontaine said:
Tyrion said:
Frank Fontaine said:
simmonjm said:
Why keep drafting all these tackles Marten, Free, McQuistan if your not going to play them? I really think its time to play McQ at LT. An offense the caliber of Dallas will be able to rebound from an occasional sack. Also im sure McQ will probably have less false start penalties. The way I see it by letting Flo go the Cowboys have ample depth at the tackle position and can focus on other pressing needs such as RB, WR, CB, and possibly ILB in free agency.

I have heard uncomfirmed rumors that the Cowboys are not at all happy with the play of Ayodele and he is in danger off being let go if Bobby Carp and Burnett are able to show enough in training camp. Supposedly the position Ayodele plays is supposed to have all the tackles filtered to him and lead the team in tackles and this year Ayodele only recorded 67 tackles.
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Im very sorry, but I can't take anything you said seriously after reading that comment. All it takes is 1 sack to end Tony Romo's career.

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A car wreck could do the same thing but I don't think they are going to have Romo carried to each game inside an armored car loaded full of packing peanuts. I like Flo but I don't see a reason to sign a 32 year old tackle to a huge long term deal when you have 2 first round picks and young talent on your team.
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Yea, that's exactly the same.
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Yeah they are the same. They are both reaches. QBs get sacked all of the time without their career ending. My point is that every other QB in the NFL played without Flo last year and I didn't see their coaches decide not to play the game. It might be different if Romo was a statue like Aikman or Manning but he is not. Romo has the ability to avoid a pass rush and help his lineman out. If the Coaches feel like they have a potential starter on the bench or that one will be there for them in the first round, I would let Flo go.

 
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I hate to say it, but good signing of Zach Thomas. He'll solidify the center of that defense for a couple of years.

 
redman said:
I hate to say it, but good signing of Zach Thomas. He'll solidify the center of that defense for a couple of years.
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Yeah decent signing for sure. I like the leadership and football smarts to help some of the others. He will be utilized much like Donnie Edwards was used in the SD defense. :rolleyes: for this news.
 
Frank Fontaine said:
simmonjm said:
Why keep drafting all these tackles Marten, Free, McQuistan if your not going to play them? I really think its time to play McQ at LT. An offense the caliber of Dallas will be able to rebound from an occasional sack. Also im sure McQ will probably have less false start penalties. The way I see it by letting Flo go the Cowboys have ample depth at the tackle position and can focus on other pressing needs such as RB, WR, CB, and possibly ILB in free agency.

I have heard uncomfirmed rumors that the Cowboys are not at all happy with the play of Ayodele and he is in danger off being let go if Bobby Carp and Burnett are able to show enough in training camp. Supposedly the position Ayodele plays is supposed to have all the tackles filtered to him and lead the team in tackles and this year Ayodele only recorded 67 tackles.
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Im very sorry, but I can't take anything you said seriously after reading that comment. All it takes is 1 sack to end Tony Romo's career.
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:cry: You do realize that Tony Romo got sacked 24 times last year I guess he beat the odds 24 times since he didnt have his career ended after each sack. Michael Strahan was on the right track earlier last season when he said Romo has a horseshoe for good luck.

 
Tyrion said:
Frank Fontaine said:
Tyrion said:
Frank Fontaine said:
simmonjm said:
Why keep drafting all these tackles Marten, Free, McQuistan if your not going to play them? I really think its time to play McQ at LT. An offense the caliber of Dallas will be able to rebound from an occasional sack. Also im sure McQ will probably have less false start penalties. The way I see it by letting Flo go the Cowboys have ample depth at the tackle position and can focus on other pressing needs such as RB, WR, CB, and possibly ILB in free agency.

I have heard uncomfirmed rumors that the Cowboys are not at all happy with the play of Ayodele and he is in danger off being let go if Bobby Carp and Burnett are able to show enough in training camp. Supposedly the position Ayodele plays is supposed to have all the tackles filtered to him and lead the team in tackles and this year Ayodele only recorded 67 tackles.
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Im very sorry, but I can't take anything you said seriously after reading that comment. All it takes is 1 sack to end Tony Romo's career.

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A car wreck could do the same thing but I don't think they are going to have Romo carried to each game inside an armored car loaded full of packing peanuts. I like Flo but I don't see a reason to sign a 32 year old tackle to a huge long term deal when you have 2 first round picks and young talent on your team.
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Yea, that's exactly the same.
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Yeah they are the same. They are both reaches. QBs get sacked all of the time without their career ending. My point is that every other QB in the NFL played without Flo last year and I didn't see their coaches decide not to play the game. It might be different if Romo was a statue like Aikman or Manning but he is not. Romo has the ability to avoid a pass rush and help his lineman out. If the Coaches feel like they have a potential starter on the bench or that one will be there for them in the first round, I would let Flo go.
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So Im the only guy here who thinks it's a bad idea to let our starting LT, the guy who covers Romo's blindside go, and letting a unproven player man the most important position on the line?Fine I'll play along. Sure Tony Romo could get in a car accident tomorrow. But he won't be driving without a driver's side door and without air bags.

Tony Romo is the most important player on our team. I don't see how skimping on his protection is a good idea. I'm not really worried, because I know the Cowboys are smarter then that to let him go.

 
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Brutis said:
Frank Fontaine said:
I want Howie Long's Kid.He is going to be a great pass rusher and you will NEVER have to worry about character issues.
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What are the odds he falls to #22? :popcorn: We need DB's, matter of fact we ALWAYS need DB's.
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Im not saying he will fall. I just said what I want. I also agree with you about needing DB's more then anything. We have always needed more DB's since sanders left.
 
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