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Agreed. If Mcfadden falls in the draft, i doubt it will be because of character issues. John Clayton and the head of Scouts Inc. (can't remember his name) said that they don't think questions regarding DMC character will be a big deal, and he handled himself well (on ESPN radio this afternoon) in questioning.
agreed. unless mcfadden can be a disruptive force in the 3-4, there's no way they're taking him.Chase Stuart said:The Jets already have a 210 lb running back with great speed.KellysHeroes said:Fall right to the J-E-T-Shooptd said:
I forgot that about him. That bumps him up a bit, IMO. Very few RBs can dominate college football in their teens. An August '87 birthday (he's over two years younger than ADP) makes me want to re-consider him, especially since that means he might be able to muscle up a bit. You know Clinton Portis is only 26? Well, he's a guy with a Sept. 1 birthday that entered the league at 20/21. Same thing with Edgerrin James (Aug), Jamal Lewis (Aug) and McFadden.
I would hope he'd have some nice answers ready for the media. I'm not impressed by a guy with the correct stock answer to obvious questions. I prefer guys that don't get into fights in bars, underage, that cause injuries that cause him to miss games.People either just want to believe the best about this guy, or they aren't being realistic about today's NFL.Pac Man Jones can't get reinstated, but a guy with two bar fights before the age of 21 is no big deal. Ludicrous.McFadden doesn't seem like a bad guy at all. Keeps in shape, seems like a hard worker, and is real versatile. But anyone that thinks teams aren't going to take a real good look at his off-field problems is kidding themselves.
Scouts also understand that these players (especially in the South) are super stars and any tool with one to many Budweisers would like nothing more to mess with a future 1st round draft pick.We don't know the whole story around the "bar" either. It could have been an all ages club that had a bar in it. I have to imagine that IF McFadden would have been illegally in a bar and consuming alcohol, there would have been mention of it.
Yeah, I remember after the 2nd incident, the "all ages" question was raised. And it was answered. It was not an all ages bar. It was 21+. As to your first point, don't you know the obvious response? "Well, Darren, all these other first round picks managed to make it through college without getting into even one fight. Let alone two. And most of them are actually old enough to be a bar."McFadden isn't the first big-time college athlete. They are all targets. If he can't walk away, or keep his mouth shut, then it's an issue.
I've been saying this for weeks now.He will fill out. He has 5 more years too grow.He will get up too 225lbs. Maybe 230 with the right training program.He does need to work on His legs. This KID will be a star at the next level. Book it.
I'm with ya... people want pass up DMac.. thats fine w/ me. I'm not.I've been saying this for weeks now.He will fill out. He has 5 more years too grow.He will get up too 225lbs. Maybe 230 with the right training program.He does need to work on His legs. This KID will be a star at the next level. Book it.
Thanks Bro, for having my back.I'm with ya... people want pass up DMac.. thats fine w/ me. I'm not.
I dont get this at all. Im not even an Ark or SEC fan. What is so impressive about players like AP and now DMac is how they have taken over college games. If you have watched them play over the past few seasons, you have watched them play against everyone on the field knowing they were getting the ball. Watching them still dismantle and dominiate opposing defenses. How anyone can sit here and say DMac isnt as good as Bush or AP (Lynch?? are you serious?, why not say JJ Arrington
) doesnt watch much college football.
I dont get this at all. Im not even an Ark or SEC fan. What is so impressive about players like AP and now DMac is how they have taken over college games. If you have watched them play over the past few seasons, you have watched them play against everyone on the field knowing they were getting the ball. Watching them still dismantle and dominiate opposing defenses. How anyone can sit here and say DMac isnt as good as Bush or AP (Lynch?? are you serious?, why not say JJ Arrington
Either they don't watch college ball or they are just try to out think themselves (second guessing).
I agree with this. I went back and read about PacMan Jones' college altercations - a bar fight involving assault and vandalism charges (no further details), and blowing up at a restaurant valet because he was told to wait in line and then refusing to pay - which were innocuous enough. Nothing too big, but they both happened during his senior year and appear, especially in hindsight, to suggest some sense of entitlement and living "the Life" on his part. Peterson did himself a disservice by not being open and frank (at least according to this report) in his interview. I could see that scaring off a team that might otherwise draft him, especially given how good this RB class is otherwise.
Yeah, Ron Dayne did the same thing.I dont get this at all. Im not even an Ark or SEC fan. What is so impressive about players like AP and now DMac is how they have taken over college games. If you have watched them play over the past few seasons, you have watched them play against everyone on the field knowing they were getting the ball. Watching them still dismantle and dominiate opposing defenses. How anyone can sit here and say DMac isnt as good as Bush or AP (Lynch?? are you serious?, why not say JJ Arrington) doesnt watch much college football.
It's easy to say this AFTER he runs a 4.27. If he had run something like a low 4.4 today then it would've opened the door for serious debate. I think this time cemented his status as a top 10 RB and the first RB off the board. But make no mistake, he needed this.
Anybody know when the 3 cone drills are run?According to my very limited knowledge on this stuff, I think it's a far more important number for generally skill positions footall moves than straight line 40 speed.4.27
I disagree. It doesn't seem all that important unless the prospect has a truly terrible time. Lynch, Peterson, and Addai were all in the 7.0-7.1 range. That's not a special time by any means.Anybody know when the 3 cone drills are run?According to my very limited knowledge on this stuff, I think it's a far more important number for generally skill positions footall moves than straight line 40 speed.4.27
Well, you can pull up any thread I've ever commented on re: the rookie RB class, and RunDMc has always been at the top of my list..........Never wavered.......sure the 4.27 was even better than what I expected, but that's what great ones do, they step up to the challenge and close the deal.......This is one of the Top 2-3 40-yd performances EVER at the combine.......doesn't have to be one of the top 3 times ever, but in the overall scheme of things with the spotlight shining brightly on him and with all the ??s that people were tossing out there, just a jaw-dropping performance
Again, I'm not the most knowledgeable combine guy, but isn't the three cone drill a good indication of quick feet and cutting ability? As many have questioned McFadden's cutting ability, as he tends to take on tacklers instead of avoiding them, this might be a good indicator if he can adjust him game to be successful on the NFL level. Not everything, just an indicator.4.27 is impressive, but we all knew he was fast... just maybe not that fast, now let's see how agile he is.I disagree. It doesn't seem all that important unless the prospect has a truly terrible time. Lynch, Peterson, and Addai were all in the 7.0-7.1 range. That's not a special time by any means.Anybody know when the 3 cone drills are run?According to my very limited knowledge on this stuff, I think it's a far more important number for generally skill positions footall moves than straight line 40 speed.4.27
This is funny.....all the people bashing in here reminds me of all the propaganda that NFL teams put out right before the draft.......with one sole purpose: to scare others off from selecting him so that they can select him later. Same mentality up in here, guys at #2 and #3 are just hoping that somebody slips up so they can take him in their own drafts......
I agree with you. Straight line speed is certainly important, but before you can use it in an NFL game you have to first get into the open field, usually by either making tacklers miss or breaking tackles. Incidentally - I'm not dropping McFadden anywhere. I'm just a tad concerned that the skills he has are going to translate to the NFL as well as a lot of people seem to think, like e.g. Reggie Bush.Again, I'm not the most knowledgeable combine guy, but isn't the three cone drill a good indication of quick feet and cutting ability? As many have questioned McFadden's cutting ability, as he tends to take on tacklers instead of avoiding them, this might be a good indicator if he can adjust him game to be successful on the NFL level. Not everything, just an indicator.4.27 is impressive, but we all knew he was fast... just maybe not that fast, now let's see how agile he is.I disagree. It doesn't seem all that important unless the prospect has a truly terrible time. Lynch, Peterson, and Addai were all in the 7.0-7.1 range. That's not a special time by any means.Anybody know when the 3 cone drills are run?According to my very limited knowledge on this stuff, I think it's a far more important number for generally skill positions footall moves than straight line 40 speed.4.27
The 40 time is only one part of the overall evaluation and is generally overrated by the public. McFadden made himself a lot of money today. I'm not denying that. But Stewart and Mendenhall are still breathing down his neck. Both guys look like comic book characters. Mendenhall jumped the same vert as McFadden, did 26 reps on the bench, and just blazed a 4.37 40. Stewart has the best vert of the entire RB class, did 28 reps on the bench, and is currently sitting at 4.44 in the 40 as a 235 pound back. We knew McFadden was fast. We knew he probably had the best speed of any of the first round runners. We also knew Stewart and Mendenhall offered a package of size/speed that rivals McFadden's. So while I think McFadden came up huge with that 40 time, I don't know that he's necessarily lapped the field in terms of overall performance.
4.27 is awesome, but how in the world is this one of the top 40-yard dashes ever at the combine?
Who exactly would you rank ahead of him?
Wasn't Darrell Green timed at some ridiculous number like 4.125?
Pretty sure when he ran it was hand timed.
We're talking about a 6'1", 215 lbs RB vs a small CB who is won the NFLs fastest man contest how many times? A little perspective maybe?
Good points.....I love all 3 actually, so no problems there with your analysis.......Mendenhall and Stewart are beasts for sure.....WOW!But burst like McFadden's is never overrated.........and the Reg. Bush knockers will also be proven wrong as well.....his skill set translates very well to the NFL.......instant dividends no, but great NFL success over time for certain.....
Um, yeah, but you're going after the wrong guy. I never claimed it was "one of the top 40-yard dashes ever at the combine".
I think it was when you consider his size and position.
It was one of the top electronic timed....although i still think they do hand and electronic timed at the combine.Can we get confirmation the 4.27 was an electronic timed run?
Oddly enough, I don't think today really answered any of our questions. I now feel confident that DMac will be the first RB drafted, but I think the debate is still interesting in FF leagues. Consider:McFadden- 6'1.25" 211 pounds- 33.5" vert- 4.27 40Mendenhall - 5'10" 225- 33.5" vert- 4.37 40Stewart- 5'10" 235 - 36.5" vert- 4.44 40 I'm still waiting on the broad jump numbers. Those will also be a factor. At the moment though, it looks like there's an inverse correlation between size and speed. McFadden is the fastest of the bunch, but he's also the lightest, the skinniest, and the weakest. Mendenhall is in between the two extremes. He's slower than McFadden and smaller and weaker than Stewart. Stewart is the heaviest and the strongest, but he's also the slowest. Honestly, it's tough to say which guy's numbers are the most impressive. McFadden put to rest any questions about his speed. He's not just fast. He's blazing fast. But he's still thin and long-legged for a RB, and his vertical is nothing special. Mendenhall put up a sick 40 time for a 225 pound back, but his vertical was unimpressive. Stewart had a very good vert and a pretty nasty pair of 40 times for a guy who's 235 pounds. Tough to say who did the best here. One thing is certain though: these guys are your first tier for rookie drafts. Called that a while back.
Yup, it's a rough year to be a FA RB in the NFL with the 3 coming into the league.Oddly enough, I don't think today really answered any of our questions. I now feel confident that DMac will be the first RB drafted, but I think the debate is still interesting in FF leagues. Consider:McFadden- 6'1.25" 211 pounds- 33.5" vert- 4.27 40Mendenhall - 5'10" 225- 33.5" vert- 4.37 40Stewart- 5'10" 235 - 36.5" vert- 4.44 40 I'm still waiting on the broad jump numbers. Those will also be a factor. At the moment though, it looks like there's an inverse correlation between size and speed. McFadden is the fastest of the bunch, but he's also the lightest, the skinniest, and the weakest. Mendenhall is in between the two extremes. He's slower than McFadden and smaller and weaker than Stewart. Stewart is the heaviest and the strongest, but he's also the slowest. Honestly, it's tough to say which guy's numbers are the most impressive. McFadden put to rest any questions about his speed. He's not just fast. He's blazing fast. But he's still thin and long-legged for a RB, and his vertical is nothing special. Mendenhall put up a sick 40 time for a 225 pound back, but his vertical was unimpressive. Stewart had a very good vert and a pretty nasty pair of 40 times for a guy who's 235 pounds. Tough to say who did the best here. One thing is certain though: these guys are your first tier for rookie drafts. Called that a while back.
My bad. I guess my memory is fuzzy, but I thought a couple people each year ran a mid 4.20's combine. It looks like this is the second highest dash ever by a player at the Indy combine (ten years), behind Rondel Melendez. Really puts some perspective on things.
I would say so... I have been backing this kidd all yr... I've been shaking my head at these Negative posts all season how he's not special... Like I said, hes not getting past 6.
That link reads like a Who's Who of overrated draft prospects whose stars burned brightly but ever so briefly after the combine and draft.
