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Anderson and Browns (1 Viewer)

Savage on WTAM this morning:

Didn't seem too worried about anything. To almost quote word for word: "if DA thinks he can get a better offer from somewhere else, God Bless.".

He said the sides are not so far apart that a deal couldn't get done today. He also sorta indirectly implied that it would take DAs side to make it happen, in other words they needed to come down a little bit more than Savage would go up.

Savage said the protection in everything is that if a deal doesn't get done today, they tender DA. We know that, but the words he was using was that if DA was offered anything it would not be matched and he'd be pleased with the draft picks. He even said DA might have something worked out already, but he thinks they would have told him that by now.

I'm to the point now where whatever happens, happens. All we Browns fans can hope for is the best in the long run.

 
Bobcat10 said:
Savage on WTAM this morning:Didn't seem too worried about anything. To almost quote word for word: "if DA thinks he can get a better offer from somewhere else, God Bless.".He said the sides are not so far apart that a deal couldn't get done today. He also sorta indirectly implied that it would take DAs side to make it happen, in other words they needed to come down a little bit more than Savage would go up.Savage said the protection in everything is that if a deal doesn't get done today, they tender DA. We know that, but the words he was using was that if DA was offered anything it would not be matched and he'd be pleased with the draft picks. He even said DA might have something worked out already, but he thinks they would have told him that by now.I'm to the point now where whatever happens, happens. All we Browns fans can hope for is the best in the long run.
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I'm hoping he's tendered and then signed elsewhere. I agree with your assessment on his play this year, and I would much rather see what Quinn can do with this team.And Chase, being a Browns fan, I don't think it has so much to do with Quinn being on the bench, but the frustration of having to watch Anderson miss receivers or throw the ball into the dirt or throw into double/triple coverage. While there is a lot of joy to see a big play work in the team's favor, it is also a big disappointment when they fail. There were times I was yelling for Dorsey to get in there and play. But as it has been pointed out before, the backup QB is always the fan's favorite player.
 
Peak said:
Bobcat10 said:
Savage on WTAM this morning:Didn't seem too worried about anything. To almost quote word for word: "if DA thinks he can get a better offer from somewhere else, God Bless.".He said the sides are not so far apart that a deal couldn't get done today. He also sorta indirectly implied that it would take DAs side to make it happen, in other words they needed to come down a little bit more than Savage would go up.Savage said the protection in everything is that if a deal doesn't get done today, they tender DA. We know that, but the words he was using was that if DA was offered anything it would not be matched and he'd be pleased with the draft picks. He even said DA might have something worked out already, but he thinks they would have told him that by now.I'm to the point now where whatever happens, happens. All we Browns fans can hope for is the best in the long run.
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I'm hoping he's tendered and then signed elsewhere. I agree with your assessment on his play this year, and I would much rather see what Quinn can do with this team.
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Heard Savage this AM as well. Agree with both of you.
 
Chase Stuart said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
pnewtonjr said:
amnesiac said:
i can't speak for anyone else, but it seemed like every time DA made a great play, there was also a great play at the other end by Braylon, Kellen, or Joe.when he made bad plays, it seemed like he was throwing it at guy's feet. that's why i think he's an average NFL QB. i'd personally rather take my chances with a guy (from what little we saw of him) in Quinn who looks like he sees more of the field and makes short accurate passes to the open guy and contnue to build up the defense. :yucky:
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:D This is EXACTLY what I saw all year long.
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Seems like a lot of Browns fans agree with me.
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Don't you think lots of Browns fans are biased in this one? I find it incredibly unlikely that Browns fans would be saying this if Brady Quinn wasn't on the team. Do you disagree?
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Not at all. I wouldn't be saying they should trade Anderson if they didn't have Quinn either. The reason I'm advocating trading Anderson is because they have a potential franchise QB already in the fold with (I believe) a higher upside. Having two QB1s (ostensibly Quinn is that, since he was drafted in round 1) is foolish for a team with many other holes to fill on defense.And why would Browns fans be biased against Anderson when he just led them to their best season in 5 years? If anything, I would expect to see more Browns fans taking the line Bracie has of keeping Anderson, but it's obvious that there are plenty of Browns fans here who saw the same things in Anderson that I saw.
 
RUMOR:

02/28...Anderson Rumors involving Dallas/Miami Trade...Rumors are spreading throughout the league that both the Miami Dolphins and Baltimore Ravens will pursue Browns quarterback Derek Anderson in free agency if the Browns are unable to reach a deal with Anderson before the free agency deadline expires...the Brown will likely use the highest tender on Anderson which would force any team that signs him to surrender their first and third round picks in the 2008 Draft with the Browns having the right to match any offer on the table...rumors are spreading that the Dolphins who own the first pick overall will deal that pick to the Cowboys for both of the Cowboys picks in the first round, which is less than the value chart but agreeable to both teams...the Dolphins would then surrender one of those first round picks plus a third to Cleveland for Anderson...the Dolphins would then come away with Anderson but still have a first round pick in the Draft...it's a strategy that has been widely speculated throughout the league over the past several weeks.

Link

 
yellowdog said:
RUMOR:

02/28...Anderson Rumors involving Dallas/Miami Trade...Rumors are spreading throughout the league that both the Miami Dolphins and Baltimore Ravens will pursue Browns quarterback Derek Anderson in free agency if the Browns are unable to reach a deal with Anderson before the free agency deadline expires...the Brown will likely use the highest tender on Anderson which would force any team that signs him to surrender their first and third round picks in the 2008 Draft with the Browns having the right to match any offer on the table...rumors are spreading that the Dolphins who own the first pick overall will deal that pick to the Cowboys for both of the Cowboys picks in the first round, which is less than the value chart but agreeable to both teams...the Dolphins would then surrender one of those first round picks plus a third to Cleveland for Anderson...the Dolphins would then come away with Anderson but still have a first round pick in the Draft...it's a strategy that has been widely speculated throughout the league over the past several weeks.

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interesting theory. it at least makes more sense than the rumors (speculation) of Miami sending the #1 overall to the Browns. sounds unlikely though. i have no idea on the value chart, but this might have more of a chance if Dallas also sent another pick to Miami.

depends how much Jones wants to make a big splash with the #1 i guess.

 
Chase Stuart said:
Irish said:
Chase Stuart said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
pnewtonjr said:
amnesiac said:
i can't speak for anyone else, but it seemed like every time DA made a great play, there was also a great play at the other end by Braylon, Kellen, or Joe.when he made bad plays, it seemed like he was throwing it at guy's feet. that's why i think he's an average NFL QB. i'd personally rather take my chances with a guy (from what little we saw of him) in Quinn who looks like he sees more of the field and makes short accurate passes to the open guy and contnue to build up the defense. :confused:
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:goodposting: This is EXACTLY what I saw all year long.
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Seems like a lot of Browns fans agree with me.
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Don't you think lots of Browns fans are biased in this one? I find it incredibly unlikely that Browns fans would be saying this if Brady Quinn wasn't on the team. Do you disagree?
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How are they biased? Anderson and Quinn both wear Browns jerseys and Anderson just led their dormant team to a 10 win season. If anything they should be biased towards Anderson, not against him.
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Do you think that Browns fans -- who apparently are finding many flaws in Anderson -- would act the same if Quinn wasn't on the roster?The minute Adrian Peterson got drafted, Chestor Taylor went from being "a good RB who can do it all" for Vikings fans to "a mediocre jack of all trades". Fans are excited by rookies and the unknown. No Browns fan would want Cleveland to draft a QB this year if they didn't draft Quinn last year. Do you disagree with that?Unfortunately, being perceived as a fan of Anderson must mean you're not a fan of Quinn, since there's only one QB on the field at a time. There's got to be a Quinn camp and an Anderson camp among Browns fans. You see this play out all the time on teams (think Warner/Bulger, Pennington/Clemens, Taylor/MJD, etc.). You ever notice that the people who used to say Marion Barber stunk were all Julius Jones owners?
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fair enough. i wasn't a big Quinn fan when they drafted him, but i've liked what i've seen.i'm sure if he wasn't there, Browns fans in general would probably have more of the attitude of, "wow, this kid (DA)was pretty good this year, and hopefully he'll keep getting better!"but the reality is that Quinn is on the roster, and it doesn't make sense to keep both of them. and sad as it is, the reality is that Quinn jerseys make money, and he's not staying on the bench. so, it makes sense to move Anderson while his value is high.once you accept the situation, there is some rationalizing that goes on: "well, DA's not that great because of x,y,z, etc." so i'm sure that is part of it. but another part of it is that we've seen New England win superbowls with the (i know people hate this term) "dink n' dunk" offense that is more consistent than the "making great plays downfield into triple coverage" offense that we saw this year, and it's frustrating when the QB can't hit a screen pass.quite honestly, if DA signs and is the starter next year, i'll be fine with that. but i won't expect it to last long, and i'd always wonder what the team could've gotten for him.
 
1st and 3rd tender

The Browns extended restricted free agent Derek Anderson the first- and third-round ($2.562 million) tender.

Anderson's camp held out for a six-year deal and Tony Romo dollars, but that was never going to happen. He probably should've taken the Browns' three-year, $20 million proposal. There's still time to work out a deal, but Anderson is expected to receive a good amount of interest on the restricted free agent market. ESPN's John Clayton believes some teams will be willing to give up first- and third-round picks to sign him.

Source: ESPN.com/rotoworld

 
yellowdog said:
1st and 3rd tender

The Browns extended restricted free agent Derek Anderson the first- and third-round ($2.562 million) tender.

Anderson's camp held out for a six-year deal and Tony Romo dollars, but that was never going to happen. He probably should've taken the Browns' three-year, $20 million proposal. There's still time to work out a deal, but Anderson is expected to receive a good amount of interest on the restricted free agent market. ESPN's John Clayton believes some teams will be willing to give up first- and third-round picks to sign him.

Source: ESPN.com/rotoworld
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Let's hope the ol' crypt keeper is right! I would LOVE to see us get back in the first round.
 
Plain Dealer writeup...

Cleveland Browns officially tender QB Anderson as free-agency deadline approaches

Posted by Mary Kay Cabot, Plain Dealer Reporter February 28, 2008 11:34AM

The Browns have tendered quarterback Derek Anderson the high qualifying offer of $2.562 million as a restricted free agent Thursday, general manager Phil Savage said.

But the Browns still hope that Anderson accepts their three-year offer before he becomes available to other teams at 12:01 Friday morning. If a team signs Anderson, it would have to give the Browns a first- and third-round draft pick as compensation. The Browns would also have the right to match the offer.

Savage said he'd like to know before midnight Thursday if Anderson's salary will be on the books or not so the Browns know how much they have to spend in free agency. Their offer is believed to be about $20 million over three years with $10 million guaranteed.

Savage said if Anderson does not accept the Browns offer, it must mean he has a better deal in the works. At least eight NFL teams have quarterback issues this off-season and some might be willing to part with the picks for Anderson.

"I wouldn't say we'd take (the offer) off the table, but I think the offer would be impacted," said Savage of Anderson hitting the market. "I think if Derek wants to be a Brown and go forward, he can do that rather easily. If he explores the possibilities, he can do that also. I feel like we've put a really strong offer out there, and if he opts to do something else, that's his prerogative. He's earned that right."

If Anderson receives a lucrative multi-year deal such as the six-year, $67.5 million contract Tony Romo recently signed with Dallas, the Browns are not expected to match it. He also said the Browns would not accept less than a first- and third-round pick, "because we value the player."

The team is fully prepared to move forward with Brady Quinn as its starting quarterback, Savage said. "It's a pretty good cockpit for a quarterback to be in," Savage said. "Derek capitalized on that last season. We think Brady will too. He's got all the ingredients to be successful. The Browns are in pretty good shape."

Savage said he's also becoming excited about the possibility of the Browns recouping the 2008 No. 1 pick they traded to Dallas last season to move up to the first round to select Quinn.

"We've talked about different scenarios," he said. "We could end up with more money to sign free agents and some extra picks. It's a win-win situation."
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That is funny about the Miami rumor. If they really could use any first round pick and wanted DA, I would be calling all of the teams at the end of the draft and work out a trade to switch picks in the 1st and 3rd rounds for a package of picks. Actually, the Ravens might be best positioned as their pick doesn't command the ridiculous guaranteed $$$. They could trade their 1st and 3rd for a late first, late 3rd and maybe a 2nd this year and next. I would have to get the chart out, but they could easily end up with DA plus a few picks instead of just DA.

 
yellowdog said:
ESPN's John Clayton believes some teams will be willing to give up first- and third-round picks to sign him.Source: ESPN.com/rotoworld
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If this is so, Browns fans should be dancing in the streets.
 
I can't see anyone in the top 10 giving up their pick. Unless one of them trades down first and then trades that pick to the Browns.

There's only a handful of teams after that that I would think would consider it - Chicago, Minnesota (I really wouldn't mind it), Tampa, San Fran.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
yellowdog said:
ESPN's John Clayton believes some teams will be willing to give up first- and third-round picks to sign him.Source: ESPN.com/rotoworld
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If this is so, Browns fans should be dancing in the streets.
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:shrug: Giving up a 1st/3rd and having to sign him to a big contract could set a franchise back quite a bit.I can't fathom Parcells doing something like that, but he is getting older and might be losing some of his smarts.
 
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/15439609/detail.html

Savage: Anderson Almost Out Of Time With Browns

POSTED: 2:15 pm EST February 28, 2008

UPDATED: 2:26 pm EST February 28, 2008

CLEVELAND -- Browns quarterback Derek Anderson is on the clock.

General manager Phil Savage said if Anderson declines the Browns' three-year offer on a new contract and becomes a restricted free agent Friday, it's unlikely he'll be back.

If Anderson signs with another team, Savage said the Browns probably wouldn't be able to match that offer.

Instead, they'd take the first- and third-round pick draft picks they'd receive as compensation and turn to Brady Quinn as the starting quarterback.

The Browns have tendered Anderson a one-year offer, and he would receive $2.5 million if he didn't accept another contract.

Savage said if Anderson doesn't take their three-year deal, the quarterback must think he will get an offer from another team.

 
Let me bring back up the "DA is an idiot" comment if he doesn't take $10+M guaranteed from the Browns. This obviously is not the case if he has something already lined up or knows for sure a number of teams are interested in his services and would be willing to pay up w/ draft picks and dollars. I don't know this info. From what we've heard for the last few months, nobody thought teams would give up a 1st and 3rd for him. If DA plays for the Browns this year, I don't think it would be a wise business decision, whether or not it works out for him, doesn't matter. He's essentially gambling with $7+M in that case.

 
Why losing Derek Anderson is not such a bad thing

by Tony Grossi

Cleveland.com

Thursday February 28, 2008

Phil Savage believes that if Derek Anderson does not accept the Browns' three-year contract offer by midnight tonight, he will sign with another team in free agency.

The Browns' general manager believes that Anderson and his agents must have a suitor hiding in the weeds for them to decline the club's offer of $10 million guaranteed.

If Savage is correct, then the Browns would maximize this situation to the fullest extent. They would have executed the perfect exit strategy from a situation that has quarterback controversy written all over it.

They would have collected first- and third-round draft picks and handed the offensive reins to Brady Quinn. That, in my opinion, is better than having Anderson and Quinn return next year to "compete" for the starting job.

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson?

Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.

Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Incredible.

Of course, such a mega-deal would be the best thing for Anderson. And it would be the best thing for the Browns, too.
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stbugs said:
That is funny about the Miami rumor. If they really could use any first round pick and wanted DA, I would be calling all of the teams at the end of the draft and work out a trade to switch picks in the 1st and 3rd rounds for a package of picks. Actually, the Ravens might be best positioned as their pick doesn't command the ridiculous guaranteed $$$. They could trade their 1st and 3rd for a late first, late 3rd and maybe a 2nd this year and next. I would have to get the chart out, but they could easily end up with DA plus a few picks instead of just DA.
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Any team that signs a transitioned restricted FA must have their own or better pick to sign player away unless a trade is agreed upon with the former team. So unless the Browns agree this scenario cannot happen.
 
osubuckeyeman said:
Savage has done pretty good so far, but he reminds me of a gambler on a hot streak that thinks he can't lose and looks stunned when it's all gone. I would say overall the Browns have done a 180 on the direction of the Franchise, however they make me nervous and i'm not even a Browns fan.
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I can't remember the last time I felt more comfortable than I do now. :unsure:
 
Bobcat10 said:
osubuckeyeman said:
Savage has done pretty good so far, but he reminds me of a gambler on a hot streak that thinks he can't lose and looks stunned when it's all gone. I would say overall the Browns have done a 180 on the direction of the Franchise, however they make me nervous and i'm not even a Browns fan.
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I can't remember the last time I felt more comfortable than I do now. :shrug:
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:thumbup: Now bring on that 1st and 3rd round pick.
 
I don't think there is a doubt is anyone's mind that Brady Quinn is the undisputed starter in Cleveland heading into training camp and I personally think he will be a stud.

 
Banger said:
bump....read this thread and replace Anderson with Cassel....it's nearly the same situation...
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Except that TBrady could become (maybe already is) a huge question mark as we near the summer. Quinn was a question mark since he hadn't played much, not that he was coming off a major injury. Big difference there.
 
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