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Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.

I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?

 
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Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
So you see the Cowboys adding someone who will carry a bigger load than Barber? I see it as the opposite...I see them adding someome who will compliment Barber.If you are correct than I have to believe this will be Barber's last year in Dallas. I believe he's unrestricted next year and I don't see him extending with Dallas unless he's the man (or at least more of the man than the other RB)...and I don't see Dallas giving him too much if you are correct.
 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
If the Cowboys didnt view MBIII as a starter they wouldnt tender him for a 1st and 3rd round pick. He has more than proven his worth to this team the past 2 years. Except this time he will be the lead back and the cowboys will be drafting a Julius to complement him.
 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
 
I don't see them drafting a RB in the 1st. JJ was a 2nd rounder, and Barber was a 3rd. They have enough needs to wait later to draft another back. Especially with the depth at the position this year.

 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
If the Cowboys didnt view MBIII as a starter they wouldnt tender him for a 1st and 3rd round pick. He has more than proven his worth to this team the past 2 years. Except this time he will be the lead back and the cowboys will be drafting a Julius to complement him.
Chargers tendered Turner the same last year. I don't see what the tender has to do with anything.
 
Not worried much at all. When he shares time he is a top 15 back (or better). It would be nice to see him as the man in '08 but the downside is just not very big.

 
I actually hope that they bring in someone good enough to keep Barber around only 15-20 touches a game. With his style, I'm more worried if he starts getting 25-30 touches a game. With this draft deep at RB, it would be fool hearty to draft one in the 1st unless they grab pacman and a wr in trades.

 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
I'm not sure if this is accurate. I believe his exact quote was he had no intention of trading into the top 5 picks. This was in response to a question related to the salary implications of picks in that range. When pressed further he added nothing but his usual sly smile.
 
I actually just received a trade offer for Barber, and Im a HUGE fan of him, but his situation just has me uncertain. With two first round picks, the Cowboys could literally do anything on draft day. The trade I was offered was Barber and a mid 4th for Portis and a late 3rd. Im considering accepting it, but I just wish I had a better idea of what kind of workload he will be getting next year. Will he be a feature back, will he be in a RBBC where he splits 70/30 or will he end up with McFadden or Felix Jones and end up splitting 50/50...that worries me.

 
From a fantasy standpoint, I don't think there should be any real concern. Barber will be no less than he has been the last two years, and he may even take it up a notch, if not a half notch. At this point, the Cowboys know what they have in him and how they want to use him, regardless of who is drafted or when. He'll get his extension before the season starts, so there is no "one year plan" to consider for the Cowboys OR fantasy owners.

For cryin' out loud, the guy has achieved near stud status in this league and earned a Pro Bowl berth as a backup. What more do you want?

He's just now beginning to reach his potential, about to get a contract extension accordingly, is on one of the best teams and offenses in the NFL, and fantasy owners want to worry? That just doesn't compute.

I'd find somebody else on your roster to worry about if that's what you're set on doing.

 
All the McFadden talk as far as potentially going to the Cowboys needs to just die. It's not going to happen. He would have to at least fall out of the top ten before that light would even come on, and I don't see that happening.

This whole thing is media fueled. It all started during last year's draft when the Cowboys got the Browns' first round pick this year for the Brady Quinn trade.

The thinking then was that the Cowboys were potentially looking at a top 5 or top 10 pick this year. Well, obviously, that didn't quite work out that way, did it.

 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.

I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
You're wasting your time. Switz has no links, because there are no links. On the question: I'm somewhat worried that Barber's value will go down regardless after the draft. I say this because the anti-Barber crusade will pounce on any RB selected in the draft as being his defacto replacement. Dallas will draft a RB, make no mistake. However, common sense says Barber will nonetheless improve prior year production [which bordered on top 10] given more opportunity as the lone veteran RB. Anyone who thinks a rookie will come into the NFL and put Barber on the bench needs a reality check.

 
If the Cowboys didnt view MBIII as a starter they wouldnt tender him for a 1st and 3rd round pick. He has more than proven his worth to this team the past 2 years. Except this time he will be the lead back and the cowboys will be drafting a Julius to complement him.
The Chargers didn't view Turner as starting material for them, but they tendered him a first and third. Reading into what a player is tendered isn't a good way to guage a team's value of a player. Plus, they knew Jones was walking, so they probably didn't want the cupboard totally bare at the RB position.
 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
I'm not sure if this is accurate. I believe his exact quote was he had no intention of trading into the top 5 picks. This was in response to a question related to the salary implications of picks in that range. When pressed further he added nothing but his usual sly smile.
It was in response to him being asked if they were going to trade up for McFadden... but yes his response was about trading up in general. It doesn't mean they won't draft McFadden if he falls to them, or that they won't draft an RB at all.
 
Jerry Jones on Moving Up

Posted on Fri, Mar. 28, 2008

Jones unwilling to take out a mortgage for a draft pick

By RANDY GALLOWAYSTAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

Increasingly popular national opinion cites Jerry Jones as the NFL owner most likely to Hog headlines and TV time on the league's holy days, otherwise known as the April draft.

A majority of the household-name media analysts, including Peter, Mort, Jaws, Mel, etc., seem convinced Jerry's Arkansas roots will cause a huge first-round splash come Saturday, April 26.

It would be bold yet extremely costly for the Cowboys to pig out on Darren McFadden, the running back who, the same as Jones, played and schooled in the village of Fayetteville.

Let's see here:

Jerry has never exactly been opposed to boldness, spending big, being a media magnet or the state of Arkansas. And he needs a running back.

Meanwhile, McFadden is being hailed as the second coming of Adrian Peterson, and a sure top-five choice in the first round.

What will the Cowboys do?

Best guess: Not go hog wild, but hog mild, and eventually settle on Felix Jones, the backup for McFadden at Arkansas.

Why? Because I listened to what Jones had to say on this subject, and believed him. Believed him because Jerry has been consistent in recent years on how he spends his football money.

"I have no intent at all of moving into the top five," Jones said, while also stressing this was not a comment on McFadden's talent, but a fear factor of paying any rookie today's top-five going rate.

"A team can get crippled, and I mean seriously crippled, from a financial standpoint by being up there in the top five or six. It's a real negative.

"Nobody wants in there, and the teams in there, they want out. This is a very tough draft anyway when it comes to evaluating the talent, and then trying to match up that with the millions it takes to operate at the top of the draft."

The irony here is the trade with Cleveland on draft day a year ago was supposedly made with the hope it would bring a top five pick this time. And, yes, McFadden would be the target.

"Outside of a highly rated quarterback, there is no other position I'd pay what it takes today to be up there," answered Jones.

That seems to shoot down the speculation of last April, which makes that Cleveland trade even more confusing.

But a personal disclaimer:

This is draft season in the NFL. Whatever you hear from any team may not be the truth. Actually, it probably won't be the truth.

A long-ago quote from Big Nellie on the NBA Draft is still the best B.S. detector: "This time of year, if my lips are moving, I'm lying to you."

But Jones is no different from any other owner in the league when it comes to immense worrying about the cost of doing business at the top of the draft.

The first pick these days expects $30 million, guaranteed. To be in the top five can cost a team between $20 million and $30 million. All this for rookies.

"There is a real problem in our league with this," Jerry said. "I don't want to go there."

Plus, by traditional standards, the Cowboys also could not use their 22nd and 28th picks to advance into the top five, even if they desired to do so. It would cost more than that.

It's a trade-up for April that on paper doesn't make sense, no matter Arkansas roots, or McFadden's talent. Then again, based on what was seen from Adrian Peterson in his rookie season, hindsight tells us there is no team in the NFL, including the Cowboys, who wouldn't pay seventh-pick money to now have him.

Forget Vegas. The high-stakes gambling Mecca of the world is currently the top 10 picks in an NFL Draft. The rookie crapshoot makes even billionaire owners sweat.

I asked Jones, if McFadden started sliding on draft day, at what point would the Cowboys become interested. Jerry hesitated. Finally, I said, "How about out of the top 10, and he's there at 11?"

"You would be safe with that assumption," he replied.

The word from Valley Ranch is running back, cornerback and offensive line are the depth positions in this draft. The first two, of course, have high first-round interest for the Cowboys.

Based on the work of his scouting department, Jones said the depth at running back is the best of any draft since he's been an owner, going back to 1989.

"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."

With under a month to go before the draft, Jerry is still considered by national media voices as the guy most likely to take the top-five plunge for McFadden. But Jones, with lips moving, says otherwise.

Believe at your own risk, but, OK, I do.
 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.

 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
Is that guy ever right about anything ?
 
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
You're wasting your time. Switz has no links, because there are no links.
:confused: I wouldn't say it if I hadn't read it... I'll see if I can find it.
 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
Is that guy ever right about anything ?
Me? Or BigJim?If you really are asking if I'm ever right about anything, then you haven't been around too long...

What's with the escalating tool factor?

 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
So what IS the status of Barber's contract... do you have anything of value to add?
 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
Is that guy ever right about anything ?
IMHO it is hard to be right too often when every opinion you possess is a polar extreme.
 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
So what IS the status of Barber's contract... do you have anything of value to add?
What, google down? He was a RFA this year, and would be a FA next.
 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
Is that guy ever right about anything ?
Me? Or BigJim?If you really are asking if I'm ever right about anything, then you haven't been around too long...

What's with the escalating tool factor?
I read more than I post, you should give it a try.
 
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
You're wasting your time. Switz has no links, because there are no links.
:wolf: I wouldn't say it if I hadn't read it... I'll see if I can find it.
It was in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram but the article is expired...
The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram believes the Dallas Cowboys do not want to rely on Marion Barber to be their only featured running back next season...
Here are a few quotes regrading it, and regarding Barber and the Boys anyway...possible trade of Barber

NFL Network reported during the combines today that the Miami Dolphins and Dallas Cowboys are discussing a trade for the top pick. It was reported Dallas is considering trading Marion Barber and three picks for that top pick, which is going to be for Darren McFadden.
Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber.
Felix Jones has been in a running back by committee offense before. And despite the emergence of Marion Barber, the Cowboys are still pushing that philosophy. He adds the home-run threat to Barber's bulldozer approach. And Felix is from Arkansas, just like Jerry!
Perhaps committee role is better than complementary role. Regardless...
 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
So what IS the status of Barber's contract... do you have anything of value to add?
What, google down? He was a RFA this year, and would be a FA next.
I already knew that... which is why I posted what I did. Your reply seemed to indicate perhaps I was missing some info to draw that conclusion.Whatever, welcome to Ignore...

 
"We need a running back to go with [Marion] Barber, but with the high regard we have for him, combined with what's available in this draft, it makes no sense to me to be going up there to the top of the draft," Jones said. "I think we can find what we need where we are."
They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
Of course you do.
Is that guy ever right about anything ?
Me? Or BigJim?If you really are asking if I'm ever right about anything, then you haven't been around too long...

What's with the escalating tool factor?
I read more than I post, you should give it a try.
Welcome to Ignore
 
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
You're wasting your time. Switz has no links, because there are no links.
:goodposting: I wouldn't say it if I hadn't read it... I'll see if I can find it.
It was in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram but the article is expired...
The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram believes the Dallas Cowboys do not want to rely on Marion Barber to be their only featured running back next season...
Here are a few quotes regrading it, and regarding Barber and the Boys anyway...possible trade of Barber

NFL Network reported during the combines today that the Miami Dolphins and Dallas Cowboys are discussing a trade for the top pick. It was reported Dallas is considering trading Marion Barber and three picks for that top pick, which is going to be for Darren McFadden.
Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber.
Felix Jones has been in a running back by committee offense before. And despite the emergence of Marion Barber, the Cowboys are still pushing that philosophy. He adds the home-run threat to Barber's bulldozer approach. And Felix is from Arkansas, just like Jerry!
Perhaps committee role is better than complementary role. Regardless...
Switz, what you're posting here and what you keep saying are 2 different things. You stated:"However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch."

It's one thing for the local paper to speculate something and another for it to come from the Cowboys themselves. I don't think the Cowboys have made it clear at all that they view Barber as a complementary back. In fact, look at the one statement that actually comes from Jerry Jones and the Cowboys:

"Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber.["

Barber is the starter. He's not going to be replaced by whomever they draft. You've been saying quite the opposite. Everything I've read that has come from the Cowboy's themselves is that Barber is the starter, not that they view him as a complementary back, which clearly implies he would be the #2 guy. When you continue to misrepresent things like this, it makes it hard to follow along with what you're saying. I appreciate you finding the links, but they actually go against what you claimed aside from speculations from OUTSIDE the Cowboy's organization.

 
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
You're wasting your time. Switz has no links, because there are no links.
:shrug: I wouldn't say it if I hadn't read it... I'll see if I can find it.
It was in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram but the article is expired...
The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram believes the Dallas Cowboys do not want to rely on Marion Barber to be their only featured running back next season...
Here are a few quotes regrading it, and regarding Barber and the Boys anyway...possible trade of Barber

NFL Network reported during the combines today that the Miami Dolphins and Dallas Cowboys are discussing a trade for the top pick. It was reported Dallas is considering trading Marion Barber and three picks for that top pick, which is going to be for Darren McFadden.
Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber.
Felix Jones has been in a running back by committee offense before. And despite the emergence of Marion Barber, the Cowboys are still pushing that philosophy. He adds the home-run threat to Barber's bulldozer approach. And Felix is from Arkansas, just like Jerry!
Perhaps committee role is better than complementary role. Regardless...
I realize I'm on ignore, which is fine with me. For the record, none of these quotes validate/support your groundless statement that "the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter."There is not a single quote you've provided which supports that, much less 'numerous.' You've posted 3rd party draft rumors, 3rd party trade rumors, and even quotes from Jerry saying they value Barber as a starter, the latter of which I find intriguing since it unequivocally contradicts your comment. So, be very predictable and set ignore on people who call your B.S., but don't post a thousand words and pretend you've backed up your hogwash. People aren't that stupid.

 
The funny/sad thing is that if the Cowboys does indeed draft a back in the first, he'll probably be back to tout his horn claiming this certainly wasnt a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut.

 
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
You're wasting your time. Switz has no links, because there are no links.
:lmao: I wouldn't say it if I hadn't read it... I'll see if I can find it.
It was in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram but the article is expired...
The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram believes the Dallas Cowboys do not want to rely on Marion Barber to be their only featured running back next season...
Here are a few quotes regrading it, and regarding Barber and the Boys anyway...possible trade of Barber

NFL Network reported during the combines today that the Miami Dolphins and Dallas Cowboys are discussing a trade for the top pick. It was reported Dallas is considering trading Marion Barber and three picks for that top pick, which is going to be for Darren McFadden.
Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber.
Felix Jones has been in a running back by committee offense before. And despite the emergence of Marion Barber, the Cowboys are still pushing that philosophy. He adds the home-run threat to Barber's bulldozer approach. And Felix is from Arkansas, just like Jerry!
Perhaps committee role is better than complementary role. Regardless...
Switz, what you're posting here and what you keep saying are 2 different things. You stated:"However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch."

It's one thing for the local paper to speculate something and another for it to come from the Cowboys themselves. I don't think the Cowboys have made it clear at all that they view Barber as a complementary back. In fact, look at the one statement that actually comes from Jerry Jones and the Cowboys:

"Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber."

Barber is the starter. He's not going to be replaced by whomever they draft. You've been saying quite the opposite. Everything I've read that has come from the Cowboy's themselves is that Barber is the starter, not that they view him as a complementary back, which clearly implies he would be the #2 guy. When you continue to misrepresent things like this, it makes it hard to follow along with what you're saying. I appreciate you finding the links, but they actually go against what you claimed aside from speculations from OUTSIDE the Cowboy's organization.
Yes, and as the bottom of my post said, "committee role is better than complementary role." I had read that they felt the reason Barber played well is because he was fresh coming off the bench. Parcells said it all along, and I read it this year was well. The link was expired. Nothing I can do about that.Even still, whether it's complementary or committee, bottom line is that Barber will be sharing time to some degree. We're arguing semantics on that point...

I never said Barber WAS going to be replaced... what I said is IF he is a FA after this season, I can see them working whoever they draft into his starting role. That wasn't about his ability, it was about his contract.

 
I know you have said this many times, but do you have any links to this information about Dallas and their intentions? Where have they said he is not their full-time starter? All I've seen from various things I've read is that one pick will almost certainly go for a top WR to compliment TO and the other will likely address the defensive side of the field, likely CB. Would just like to see where your information is coming from because I just haven't seen it.
You're wasting your time. Switz has no links, because there are no links.
:thumbup: I wouldn't say it if I hadn't read it... I'll see if I can find it.
It was in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram but the article is expired...
The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram believes the Dallas Cowboys do not want to rely on Marion Barber to be their only featured running back next season...
Here are a few quotes regrading it, and regarding Barber and the Boys anyway...possible trade of Barber

NFL Network reported during the combines today that the Miami Dolphins and Dallas Cowboys are discussing a trade for the top pick. It was reported Dallas is considering trading Marion Barber and three picks for that top pick, which is going to be for Darren McFadden.
Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber.
Felix Jones has been in a running back by committee offense before. And despite the emergence of Marion Barber, the Cowboys are still pushing that philosophy. He adds the home-run threat to Barber's bulldozer approach. And Felix is from Arkansas, just like Jerry!
Perhaps committee role is better than complementary role. Regardless...
Switz, what you're posting here and what you keep saying are 2 different things. You stated:"However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch."

It's one thing for the local paper to speculate something and another for it to come from the Cowboys themselves. I don't think the Cowboys have made it clear at all that they view Barber as a complementary back. In fact, look at the one statement that actually comes from Jerry Jones and the Cowboys:

"Going in to the 2008 season, owner Jerry Jones has stated that Marion Barber is the starter and that the organization would be lookin for another back via the draft to help out Barber."

Barber is the starter. He's not going to be replaced by whomever they draft. You've been saying quite the opposite. Everything I've read that has come from the Cowboy's themselves is that Barber is the starter, not that they view him as a complementary back, which clearly implies he would be the #2 guy. When you continue to misrepresent things like this, it makes it hard to follow along with what you're saying. I appreciate you finding the links, but they actually go against what you claimed aside from speculations from OUTSIDE the Cowboy's organization.
Yes, and as the bottom of my post said, "committee role is better than complementary role." I had read that they felt the reason Barber played well is because he was fresh coming off the bench. Parcells said it all along, and I read it this year was well. The link was expired. Nothing I can do about that.Even still, whether it's complementary or committee, bottom line is that Barber will be sharing time to some degree. We're arguing semantics on that point...

I never said Barber WAS going to be replaced... what I said is IF he is a FA after this season, I can see them working whoever they draft into his starting role. That wasn't about his ability, it was about his contract.
It's not semantics. There is a BIG difference between sharing time but still getting the larger bulk of the time and being "complimentary". Even if you change that word, you still stated that whoever they draft will either be the starter or the "larger part of the 1-2" punch. I don't know how you can't see the difference between that.I don't think there is any doubt that they want someone to pair along with Barber. Whether or not they get him in the 1st round or wait till 2nd or 3rd bc of how deep this class is, they will be taking a RB at some point. But that RB will be there to compliment the current starter which is Barber. You have tried to say that it will be the other way around--that whoever they bring in will either be the starter or be the larger part of the RBBC. That is simply untrue as a statement coming from the Cowboy's organization. If that's your opinion and that's what you want to believe, then fine. But, it doesn't make it right and it certainly shouldn't make you come here and say that the Cowboy's have been saying what you'd want them to say. It just hasn't happened.

Reread your own quote above by J. Jones. Barber is the starter. That's it. Whether it's 55/45, 60/40, 65/35 or whatever, Barber will be getting the larger load and I will guarantee that.

Saying that bottomline that Barber will be sharing time in some form is back-pedaling at its finest. Virtually every RB in the league shares time in some form. Not every RB gets 20+ carries/game and not all RB's need that many carries to be effective. Addai will be sharing time. ADP will be sharing time. Does that mean they can't succeed? However many carries Barber gets, be sure that it will be more than whoever else is in the backfield with him.

 
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I don't think there is any doubt that they want someone to pair along with Barber. Whether or not they get him in the 1st round or wait till 2nd or 3rd bc of how deep this class is, they will be taking a RB at some point. But that RB will be there to compliment the current starter which is Barber. You have tried to say that it will be the other way around--that whoever they bring in will either be the starter or be the larger part of the RBBC. That is simply untrue as a statement coming from the Cowboy's organization. If that's your opinion and that's what you want to believe, then fine. But, it doesn't make it right and it certainly shouldn't make you come here and say that the Cowboy's have been saying what you'd want them to say. It just hasn't happened.Reread your own quote above by J. Jones. Barber is the starter. That's it. Whether it's 55/45, 60/40, 65/35 or whatever, Barber will be getting the larger load and I will guarantee that. Saying that bottomline that Barber will be sharing time in some form is back-pedaling at its finest. Virtually every RB in the league shares time in some form. Not every RB gets 20+ carries/game and not all RB's need that many carries to be effective. Addai will be sharing time. ADP will be sharing time. Does that mean they can't succeed? However many carries Barber gets, be sure that it will be more than whoever else is in the backfield with him.
OK, I will try to be more accurate in my choice of words... However, I don't see any reason for them to take an RB early, and not use that player extensively. When I refer to sharing time, I'm not talking about a guy who gets spelled once in a great while, I mean someone who gets 30% or more taken away from him by another player. Of course every RB has a backup who may come in for a play or two, but we usually don't care about that in FF. We do care when a player takes a noticeable percentage of carries, that's what I'm referring to.Dallas has been RBBC and will be RBBC. Barber will likely get the majority of carries, at the very least in the short term, and perhaps the whole season. But I think we're going to disagree on what that majority is. Either way, the OPs question is "should Barber owners be worried?"I guess the BEST answer is "it depends on what they are expecting." If they think he's going to be a 350-400 touch RB? Then yes, personally I would be worried if I was counting on him to carry that load. He never has, not in college, not in the pros. He has played exceptionally well in a limited role on a per carry basis, and he is a monster at the goal line. No matter what number of carries he has, he will be the goal line guy (that's another thing the coaches said that I don't have a link for) and that alone will give him great value.Instead of wordsmithing, maybe if we focused on what the OP asked, we'd get some more civil, and valuable, replies. (And yes, I realize that I added to the clutter with a few of my replies as well.)
 
I don't think there is any doubt that they want someone to pair along with Barber. Whether or not they get him in the 1st round or wait till 2nd or 3rd bc of how deep this class is, they will be taking a RB at some point. But that RB will be there to compliment the current starter which is Barber. You have tried to say that it will be the other way around--that whoever they bring in will either be the starter or be the larger part of the RBBC. That is simply untrue as a statement coming from the Cowboy's organization. If that's your opinion and that's what you want to believe, then fine. But, it doesn't make it right and it certainly shouldn't make you come here and say that the Cowboy's have been saying what you'd want them to say. It just hasn't happened.Reread your own quote above by J. Jones. Barber is the starter. That's it. Whether it's 55/45, 60/40, 65/35 or whatever, Barber will be getting the larger load and I will guarantee that. Saying that bottomline that Barber will be sharing time in some form is back-pedaling at its finest. Virtually every RB in the league shares time in some form. Not every RB gets 20+ carries/game and not all RB's need that many carries to be effective. Addai will be sharing time. ADP will be sharing time. Does that mean they can't succeed? However many carries Barber gets, be sure that it will be more than whoever else is in the backfield with him.
OK, I will try to be more accurate in my choice of words... However, I don't see any reason for them to take an RB early, and not use that player extensively. When I refer to sharing time, I'm not talking about a guy who gets spelled once in a great while, I mean someone who gets 30% or more taken away from him by another player. Of course every RB has a backup who may come in for a play or two, but we usually don't care about that in FF. We do care when a player takes a noticeable percentage of carries, that's what I'm referring to.Dallas has been RBBC and will be RBBC. Barber will likely get the majority of carries, at the very least in the short term, and perhaps the whole season. But I think we're going to disagree on what that majority is. Either way, the OPs question is "should Barber owners be worried?"I guess the BEST answer is "it depends on what they are expecting." If they think he's going to be a 350-400 touch RB? Then yes, personally I would be worried if I was counting on him to carry that load. He never has, not in college, not in the pros. He has played exceptionally well in a limited role on a per carry basis, and he is a monster at the goal line. No matter what number of carries he has, he will be the goal line guy (that's another thing the coaches said that I don't have a link for) and that alone will give him great value.Instead of wordsmithing, maybe if we focused on what the OP asked, we'd get some more civil, and valuable, replies. (And yes, I realize that I added to the clutter with a few of my replies as well.)
Finally a reasonable reply. And, while I will try to let it go after this, it was not wordsmithing. What you just stated and what you stated earlier are 2 different things. You may not see it that way, but they are. I agree that he will never be a 350-400 carry guy and I don't think anyone that owns him expects that. In fact, almost every Barber proponent that I've seen WANTS for him to have someone sharing the load because that is when he is most effective. If I owned him, that's exactly what I would want. He should be around the 250 carry range for the season. Between combined yds and TDs, that should easily allow him to put up top 10 #'s if he continues to be as effective as he has so far. When you watch him, I don't think there's any reason to doubt his talent or that he won't be able to continue.And, to the original question, no, Barber owners should not be worried. They should be happy if they get him a RB. I think if Barber were forced to carry a heavy load, he wouldn't be nearly as effective. That still doesn't mean he won't get the larger part and that would suit both him and the Cowboys the best. On a final note, maybe you've already seen this or maybe you haven't. But, you should check out what normal loads are for RB's, both as full-time and RBBC. Even guys who are true workhouses don't usually carry the ball 80% of the time. A guy like LT usually has a 75/25 split, if I'm not mistaken. Many other RB's with large loads are only about 65/35 or 70/30. When you consider that, even 60/40 is not that limiting in terms of touches. A 60/40 split in Barber's favor should easily put him at 250, I would think. I haven't checked the #'s.
 
The funny/sad thing is that if the Cowboys does indeed draft a back in the first, he'll probably be back to tout his horn claiming this certainly wasnt a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut.
If the Cowboys draft a RB in the 1st, which I too actually expect, it won't necessarily mean what Switz is projecting it means. That was my only point. High draft status doesn't mean a guy will have the endurance and skills a RB must have to be on the field. When the Bengals took Chris Perry in the first after getting rid of Dillon, they added needed depth behind Rudi. When Carolina took Deangelo Williams in the 1st after dumping Stephen Davis, they added needed depth. These highly touted rookies only remotely impacted the status of the current starter. I'd say that is more often the case than not when a team drafts RB for depth with a vet in place. The two most anticipated rookie RBs I can recall in my FF years were Deuce McAllister and Shaun Alexander. I saw each as very NFL-ready. Well, Deuce got 16 carries his rookie season, and Alexander accumulated 64. The reality here is the Cowboys do value Barber, have referred to him publically as the 2008 starter, and are otherwise bare at RB. As to 2008, no team in it's right mind would go into a season with Barber and some 5th tier rookie, given the injury hazzard at that position. If they don't bring in a decent vet as insurance, they absolutely should use an early draft pick for depth/insurance. They need it. That doesn't mean Barber and his 5.0 YPC/30 TDs over the past 2 seasons is expendable by week 8 by implication. Looking ahead to 2009, they'd be fools to Barber walk as a FA, leaving themselves with [Felix Jones?] and what else at RB? A need for another 1st round rookie?
 
Looking at this another way, whatever RB the Cowboys do take, this would probably be a worst case scenario for that rookie right? -stewart in particular. would this knock him out of the top 3 in rookie drafts for sure, or would the slim chance that Barber goes elsewhere next year be enough to keep him up there? or is being the dallas backup not that terrible a situation..

 
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I could very well see the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones or Chris Johnson in the first round. They will be effective in the open field, getting the ball in space and good receivers. Also, both are very good as returners. The wildcards after the first are Jamaal Charles and Steve Slaton. Jerry Jones loves speed.

 
The funny/sad thing is that if the Cowboys does indeed draft a back in the first, he'll probably be back to tout his horn claiming this certainly wasnt a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut.
If the Cowboys draft a RB in the 1st, which I too actually expect, it won't necessarily mean what Switz is projecting it means. That was my only point. High draft status doesn't mean a guy will have the endurance and skills a RB must have to be on the field. When the Bengals took Chris Perry in the first after getting rid of Dillon, they added needed depth behind Rudi. When Carolina took Deangelo Williams in the 1st after dumping Stephen Davis, they added needed depth. These highly touted rookies only remotely impacted the status of the current starter. I'd say that is more often the case than not when a team drafts RB for depth with a vet in place. The two most anticipated rookie RBs I can recall in my FF years were Deuce McAllister and Shaun Alexander. I saw each as very NFL-ready. Well, Deuce got 16 carries his rookie season, and Alexander accumulated 64. The reality here is the Cowboys do value Barber, have referred to him publically as the 2008 starter, and are otherwise bare at RB. As to 2008, no team in it's right mind would go into a season with Barber and some 5th tier rookie, given the injury hazzard at that position. If they don't bring in a decent vet as insurance, they absolutely should use an early draft pick for depth/insurance. They need it. That doesn't mean Barber and his 5.0 YPC/30 TDs over the past 2 seasons is expendable by week 8 by implication. Looking ahead to 2009, they'd be fools to Barber walk as a FA, leaving themselves with [Felix Jones?] and what else at RB? A need for another 1st round rookie?
To add to the list see Larry Johnson and one Trung Canidate...St. Louis had Faulk (not comparing Barber to Faulk), but they went with a potential "game breaker" because so many of the pieces of the puzzle were in place (similar to Dallas). I would not be surprised to see them trade down on the second 1st round pick and grab a speedster like a Slaton or Johnson.
 
Whether it's BS or legit there has been a ton of talk about the Cowboys adding a first round RB in the draft. Whether it's McFadden, Stewart or Felix Jones it seems many of the "experts" feel the Boys will be adding another quality RB to their stable...and quite frankly the names being thrown around have the potential to be better than Julius Jones.I'm curious to see how Marion Barber owners are feeling. Panicking that the McFadden rumor that won't die could actually come to fruition? Comfortable that the Cowboys are going increase Barber's workload from last year and he's going to solidy himself as a fantasy stud? Somewhere in the middle because you're not sure what type of talent Barber will potentially be sharing carries with?
Jerry Jones has publicly stared that the Cowboys have no interest in trading up to acquire McFadden. (Which coming from him may mean just the opposite)However, the Cowboys have made it clear numerous times that they view Barber as a complementary back, not a full time starter. I don't see how anyone should expect the Cowboys to NOT draft an RB early on as a possible starter, or the larger part of the 1-2 punch.
So you see the Cowboys adding someone who will carry a bigger load than Barber? I see it as the opposite...I see them adding someome who will compliment Barber.If you are correct than I have to believe this will be Barber's last year in Dallas. I believe he's unrestricted next year and I don't see him extending with Dallas unless he's the man (or at least more of the man than the other RB)...and I don't see Dallas giving him too much if you are correct.
I could definitely see them taking a speed guy like Felix Jones or Jamaal Charles in second or third as a complement. It doesn't mean Barber won't be the featured, but I do think people who imagine he is going to get 350plus carries are dreaming.
 
az_prof said:
I do think people who imagine he is going to get 350plus carries are dreaming.
Who and where are these people imagining 350 carries? Just 2 of the top 14 scoring RBs in my league exceeded 300 carries. None had 350. Anyone who thinks a RB has to get 350-400 carries to be worth something isn't paying attention.
 
Jeff Tefertiller said:
I could very well see the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones or Chris Johnson in the first round. They will be effective in the open field, getting the ball in space and good receivers. Also, both are very good as returners. The wildcards after the first are Jamaal Charles and Steve Slaton. Jerry Jones loves speed.
Remember all the former Cowboys that were using coke and getting busted with coke? Where do you think they got it? Jerry Jones baby. He was the hook-up. He's doin rails at halftime up in the Owners Suite, then getting crazy down on the sideline during the second halfs.
 
Felix + Choice = Barber be gone after 2008?

I think Felix (a better J. Jones) and Choice (who is like a Barber) make a great combo.

 
I could very well see the Cowboys drafting Felix Jones or Chris Johnson in the first round. They will be effective in the open field, getting the ball in space and good receivers. Also, both are very good as returners. The wildcards after the first are Jamaal Charles and Steve Slaton. Jerry Jones loves speed.
Remember all the former Cowboys that were using coke and getting busted with coke? Where do you think they got it? Jerry Jones baby. He was the hook-up. He's doin rails at halftime up in the Owners Suite, then getting crazy down on the sideline during the second halfs.
This is a brutal attempt at humor, even considering that this is the Shark Pool.
 
This is the situation I'm still debateing in my head the most. Not thinking about fantasy, I used to like JJ more than Barber. Now we got a new Jones in town with a considerable investment in both players. In the short term this is easy to figure out but over the haul its tricky. Maybe FJ didnt get the chance to show everything he has to offer in college. The hardest card for me to place in a dynasty rookie draft.

 

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