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i read a quote by Bush saying that one of his goals this year is to play well enough so that the fans will cheer "MVP". He'd obviously have to stay healthy for this to even be a possibility but the question is, "can he stay healthy?".

He's not the biggest back in the league, but he's not the smallest either. I don't remember if he was injured much in college, but he's definitley having a difficult time staying healthy in the NFL. Regarding his injuries: Has he just had lousy luck or is his body not able to stand up to the rigors of the NFL? It may just be a matter of changing his running style a little to avoid much of the collisions.

Anyway, I think he has the talent to reek havok on opposing defenses similar to LT or SJax. Reggie's got great speed, great vision, and great hands. He's on a very good offensive team so his stats should be much better than they have been. If he can stay healthy, i think he has the talent to be a top 5 RB.

What's the over/under on how many games Bush plays in this year?

 
Reggie Bush is the Fred Astaire of NFL RB'S, unless he quits performing his best soft shoe act you won't see anything different than you already have.

 
I don't recall any injury in School... Reggie is a tough kid. He played 3 games w/ that imjury last yr. To me, Injury isn't his downfall.

I like Reggie... but here my little list I would like to see improved from him.

Less Fumbles.. Less Dancing... Break a tackle here an there... I'm sure others will chime in.

 
Two Deep said:
Reggie Bush is the Fred Astaire of NFL RB'S, unless he quits performing his best soft shoe act you won't see anything different than you already have.
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I agree here but think that he will figure it out rather than just fizzle out. The main question is can he be productive running north-south between the tackles, and I think that if he focuses on that part of the game, and really commits himself to running with more power and a more effective pad level, that he can be good. But I think that he will never be great at that. Chances are, he's the kind of back that would really benefit from having a power-back to work with. I think that he can be an average inside back.I think his overall game would benefit a lot from this as well because he relies on his speed way too much, often sacrificing a short gain for a loss while trying to outrun his defenders. If he just learned to churn out a couple yards after contact, or ran to the sideline more, he'd be much more effective.He needs to commit himself to strength training and becoming more powerful. If he did that I think he would be fine. I also think he will benefit from being less in the spotlight, where he feels he needs to constantly outperform.
 
FavreCo said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Chiming in.Change him to WR. Get him out in space. He's not an NFL RB.
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LOL. You own him. That must totally suck.
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Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.Your right, it sucks to have a guy preform an elite level and not be preforming as good as he could.Instead of everyone trying to change Reggie for his flexability you should embrass it. If we all owned corvette's and porsche's would we try to go four wheeling with them? The answer is "no".Reggie is a sportscar so let him be one, don't try to convert him into what he isn't. Reggie is the most versitile rb in the nfl. much like Vick was at qb. Hopefully the Saints don't screw up like the falcons did by trying to change a player into what they are not instead of letting them be who they are.
 
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Chiming in.Change him to WR. Get him out in space. He's not an NFL RB.
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LOL. You own him. That must totally suck.
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Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.Your right, it sucks to have a guy preform an elite level and not be preforming as good as he could.Instead of everyone trying to change Reggie for his flexability you should embrass it. If we all owned corvette's and porsche's would we try to go four wheeling with them? The answer is "no".Reggie is a sportscar so let him be one, don't try to convert him into what he isn't. Reggie is the most versitile rb in the nfl. much like Vick was at qb. Hopefully the Saints don't screw up like the falcons did by trying to change a player into what they are not instead of letting them be who they are.
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Vick and Reggie Bush should both play WR...honestly.
 
Almas_4th_Child said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Chiming in.Change him to WR. Get him out in space. He's not an NFL RB.
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LOL. You own him. That must totally suck.
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Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.Your right, it sucks to have a guy preform an elite level and not be preforming as good as he could.Instead of everyone trying to change Reggie for his flexability you should embrass it. If we all owned corvette's and porsche's would we try to go four wheeling with them? The answer is "no".Reggie is a sportscar so let him be one, don't try to convert him into what he isn't. Reggie is the most versitile rb in the nfl. much like Vick was at qb. Hopefully the Saints don't screw up like the falcons did by trying to change a player into what they are not instead of letting them be who they are.
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Vick and Reggie Bush should both play WR...honestly.
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Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
 
Well, I beg to differ, as usual, with the consensus here. Many guys of similar stature and style have started off relatively slow in their careers (Westbrook, Nap Kaufman, and especially Tiki), yet learned NFL style running on the fly and became very successful. So while others appear to have written Bush off already, this will be a huge error on their part. This guy is a bit too talented, and more importantly, much too driven, to fail in the NFL. I believe that Bush is the ONLY player currently in the NFL with a real good chance of putting together a 1,000-1,000........that's 1k rush and 1k receiving in the same season......don't be shocked if it happens in '08........ :unsure:

 
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Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Chiming in.

Change him to WR. Get him out in space. He's not an NFL RB.
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LOL. You own him. That must totally suck.
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Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.
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How was he #10 in your league? Even if it was PPR, I don't think he would crack the top 10.
 
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Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
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Yeah and NFL coaches also thought David Carr was an NFL QB. He was able to fool them for 6+ years. He still is able to land a spot on a team holding a clipboard. That idiot should not be in the NFL yet he is. He couldn't start for ANY of the 32 teams and I am talking about even Minnesota, Chicago and Baltimore who currently have no viable starting NFL QB's on their rosters. They barely have 3rd stringers and Carr couldn't beat them out on his best day.
 
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Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
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Yeah and NFL coaches also thought David Carr was an NFL QB. He was able to fool them for 6+ years. He still is able to land a spot on a team holding a clipboard. That idiot should not be in the NFL yet he is. He couldn't start for ANY of the 32 teams and I am talking about even Minnesota, Chicago and Baltimore who currently have no viable starting NFL QB's on their rosters. They barely have 3rd stringers and Carr couldn't beat them out on his best day.
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Are you really going to compare David Carr to Mike Vick and Reggie Bush? Hate aside, there are worlds of difference there.
 
Blackjacks said:
Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.
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Doesn't mean a thing. Everyone knows last year that RB's for the most part started slow as a whole and never approached previous year's scoring as a whole. He had about a 3.8 ypc average and 3 TDs. Never once gaining 100 yards. Total rushing yards of 220 or so over 6 weeks. That's a TURD.However his 36 receptions over that time frame shows I am more correct in my analysis.
 
happy_donut said:
FavreCo said:
happy_donut said:
Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
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Yeah and NFL coaches also thought David Carr was an NFL QB. He was able to fool them for 6+ years. He still is able to land a spot on a team holding a clipboard. That idiot should not be in the NFL yet he is. He couldn't start for ANY of the 32 teams and I am talking about even Minnesota, Chicago and Baltimore who currently have no viable starting NFL QB's on their rosters. They barely have 3rd stringers and Carr couldn't beat them out on his best day.
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Are you really going to compare David Carr to Mike Vick and Reggie Bush? Hate aside, there are worlds of difference there.
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Nope Carr is infinately worse. But based on that, I just proved that being an NFL coach doesn't mean you know your ####. Saying that 'NFL coaches disagree' doesn't mean anything.
 
FavreCo said:
happy_donut said:
FavreCo said:
happy_donut said:
Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
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Yeah and NFL coaches also thought David Carr was an NFL QB. He was able to fool them for 6+ years. He still is able to land a spot on a team holding a clipboard. That idiot should not be in the NFL yet he is. He couldn't start for ANY of the 32 teams and I am talking about even Minnesota, Chicago and Baltimore who currently have no viable starting NFL QB's on their rosters. They barely have 3rd stringers and Carr couldn't beat them out on his best day.
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Are you really going to compare David Carr to Mike Vick and Reggie Bush? Hate aside, there are worlds of difference there.
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Nope Carr is infinately worse. But based on that, I just proved that being an NFL coach doesn't mean you know your ####. Saying that 'NFL coaches disagree' doesn't mean anything.
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Saying Reggie Bush should be a WR means even less. My point was that only an NFL coach would be in a position to make that change. So far, none have.
 
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happy_donut said:
FavreCo said:
happy_donut said:
Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
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Yeah and NFL coaches also thought David Carr was an NFL QB. He was able to fool them for 6+ years. He still is able to land a spot on a team holding a clipboard. That idiot should not be in the NFL yet he is. He couldn't start for ANY of the 32 teams and I am talking about even Minnesota, Chicago and Baltimore who currently have no viable starting NFL QB's on their rosters. They barely have 3rd stringers and Carr couldn't beat them out on his best day.
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Are you really going to compare David Carr to Mike Vick and Reggie Bush? Hate aside, there are worlds of difference there.
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Nope Carr is infinately worse. But based on that, I just proved that being an NFL coach doesn't mean you know your ####. Saying that 'NFL coaches disagree' doesn't mean anything.
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Yep, you sure know more than those guys (NFL coaches).......If you don't think that NFL D-coordinators aren't extremely worried about Reggie Bush when they play the Saints, then I digress......to my first comment in this response......
 
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Yep, you sure know more than those guys (NFL coaches).......If you don't think that NFL D-coordinators aren't extremely worried about Reggie Bush when they play the Saints, then I digress......to my first comment in this response......
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Damn right I do and it's about time you figured that out.
 
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Well, I beg to differ, as usual, with the consensus here. Many guys of similar stature and style have started off relatively slow in their careers (Westbrook, Nap Kaufman, and especially Tiki), yet learned NFL style running on the fly and became very successful. So while others appear to have written Bush off already, this will be a huge error on their part. This guy is a bit too talented, and more importantly, much too driven, to fail in the NFL. I believe that Bush is the ONLY player currently in the NFL with a real good chance of putting together a 1,000-1,000........that's 1k rush and 1k receiving in the same season......don't be shocked if it happens in '08........ :porked:
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:porked: Reggie entered the NFL with a lot of haters already rooting against him. And he's been a consistently good player, yet people will not accept that. Has he been the GOAT? No. Was he overly hyped? Perhaps. He does have one of the best overall packages of skills at the RB position, and he's still growing into the role.
 
Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.

 
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Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.
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Bush had 2-100 yard receiving games and a 100 yard rushing game in '06. He had a 97 yard rushing game in '07 - but those three yards were obviously too hard to get, which means he sucks...And yes, the last game of the season, when CHI was already out of the playoffs Thomas had a great game. Woo hoo...
 
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Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.
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Interesting fact. Thomas has 1 more 100/100 game than Reggie Bush in 12 games. Wait, he has a 100/100 game.Well, let me just tell you. Pierre Thomas is no Reggie Bush. He also won't see the field as much as he should until the Saints are lucky enough to have Bush go down with another injury so Pierre can showcase his better NFL RB talents.
 
switz said:
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Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.
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Bush had 2-100 yard receiving games and a 100 yard rushing game in '06. He had a 97 yard rushing game in '07 - but those three yards were obviously too hard to get, which means he sucks...And yes, the last game of the season, when CHI was already out of the playoffs Thomas had a great game. Woo hoo...
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Well you said it not me, I was just saying I don't see the blind overheated man love. Somebody get the cold water Switz is hung on Reggies Bush.
 
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Reggie Bush IMO is alot like Vick, in the sense that they are not your prototypical QB or in this case RB.

So, when players like this come along, if they do not fit into the preconceived mold, alot of people will not think they are up to par.

Guys like Vick, Young etc, If they do not have a pass completion % up to a standard level, or throw for 300+ yard or 25+ TD's they are viewed as BUSTS. They may be a bust for your FF team, but for their NFL team, they have intangibles that change the game, and ultimately win games.

No one here is saying Manning sucks because he has never rushed for over 800yds.

Why? He doesn't have to, and it's not part of his game.

Vick/Young don't have to throw 300+ yds.

They win games by throwing 180 and rushing for 92, and keeping DB's trembling, and guessing.

(at least this stage of their careers)

Now Bush did come in with the hype, and will probably have a hard time living up to that, not because he is not good enough but because he does not fit into the typical 250-300 carry mold we all want. So we most likely will never see him carry 250 times.

But again, he doesn't have to he can carry the ball 14 times, and catch 7 balls out of the backfield.

He can change the way DC game plan, he can help win games, in a way most RB's can't.

Most that hate him will continue to because he does not and will not fit into the mold we have in our heads for a RB.

 
FavreCo said:
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Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.
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Interesting fact. Thomas has 1 more 100/100 game than Reggie Bush in 12 games. Wait, he has a 100/100 game.Well, let me just tell you. Pierre Thomas is no Reggie Bush. He also won't see the field as much as he should until the Saints are lucky enough to have Bush go down with another injury so Pierre can showcase his better NFL RB talents.
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And yes, the last game of the season, when CHI was already out of the playoffs Thomas had a great game. Woo hoo...
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So they let lowly Pierre Thomas run and catch all over them but still pull out a victory. What coaching!!!!! Lay down and still win the game. Or did they just lay down for Thomas and gear up against everyone else?????
 
FavreCo said:
Two Deep said:
Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.
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Interesting fact. Thomas has 1 more 100/100 game than Reggie Bush in 12 games. Wait, he has a 100/100 game.Well, let me just tell you. Pierre Thomas is no Reggie Bush. He also won't see the field as much as he should until the Saints are lucky enough to have Bush go down with another injury so Pierre can showcase his better NFL RB talents.
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I think that if Pierre Thomas doesn't get to see the field as much as he should it will have more to do with Deuce McAllister than Reggie Bush.
 
Two Deep said:
switz said:
Two Deep said:
Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.
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Bush had 2-100 yard receiving games and a 100 yard rushing game in '06. He had a 97 yard rushing game in '07 - but those three yards were obviously too hard to get, which means he sucks...And yes, the last game of the season, when CHI was already out of the playoffs Thomas had a great game. Woo hoo...
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Well you said it not me, I was just saying I don't see the blind overheated man love. Somebody get the cold water Switz is hung on Reggies Bush.
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:shrug: :D :confused: I said what? I don't even get your reply... I just pointed out the stats.
 
In PPR he's a beast and was in the top 5 fantasy RB's PPG last year in that format.

People want to hate him since he isn't conventional, but for FF purposes he puts up huge numbers in PPR leagues.

 
switz said:
Two Deep said:
switz said:
Two Deep said:
Didn't an undrafted Pierre Thomas put up 100 yds rushing and receiving in one game against Chicago, yet I don't believe Bush cracked either mark playing in 10 plus games. I just don't get the attraction.
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Bush had 2-100 yard receiving games and a 100 yard rushing game in '06. He had a 97 yard rushing game in '07 - but those three yards were obviously too hard to get, which means he sucks...And yes, the last game of the season, when CHI was already out of the playoffs Thomas had a great game. Woo hoo...
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Well you said it not me, I was just saying I don't see the blind overheated man love. Somebody get the cold water Switz is hung on Reggies Bush.
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:goodposting: :lmao: :lmao: I said what? I don't even get your reply... I just pointed out the stats.
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You said he sucked, albeit sarcastically. I didn't say he sucked I was just questioning the allure.
 
I think the 3rd year is usually the make or break year for many WR's and RB's, so I think what he does this season will tell a lot about the player that Reggie will ulitmately be in the NFL.

personally, I think he will put it all together and have a great year.

 
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Well, I beg to differ, as usual, with the consensus here. Many guys of similar stature and style have started off relatively slow in their careers (Westbrook, Nap Kaufman, and especially Tiki), yet learned NFL style running on the fly and became very successful. So while others appear to have written Bush off already, this will be a huge error on their part. This guy is a bit too talented, and more importantly, much too driven, to fail in the NFL. I believe that Bush is the ONLY player currently in the NFL with a real good chance of putting together a 1,000-1,000........that's 1k rush and 1k receiving in the same season......don't be shocked if it happens in '08........ :lmao:
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:shrug: Reggie entered the NFL with a lot of haters already rooting against him. And he's been a consistently good player, yet people will not accept that. Has he been the GOAT? No. Was he overly hyped? Perhaps. He does have one of the best overall packages of skills at the RB position, and he's still growing into the role.
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Consistently good?He's averaged 3.7 yards per rush in two seasons, has as many fumbles as rushing touchdowns and has averaged 82 yards from scrimmage per game. That's hardly consistently good IMHO. He's had his moments, but he's only 21st among RBs in yards from scrimmage over his 2 seasons. He's also 22nd over the last two seasons in TDs/game by a running back.
 
Jason Wood said:
switz said:
kremenull said:
Well, I beg to differ, as usual, with the consensus here. Many guys of similar stature and style have started off relatively slow in their careers (Westbrook, Nap Kaufman, and especially Tiki), yet learned NFL style running on the fly and became very successful. So while others appear to have written Bush off already, this will be a huge error on their part. This guy is a bit too talented, and more importantly, much too driven, to fail in the NFL. I believe that Bush is the ONLY player currently in the NFL with a real good chance of putting together a 1,000-1,000........that's 1k rush and 1k receiving in the same season......don't be shocked if it happens in '08........ ;)
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:goodposting: Reggie entered the NFL with a lot of haters already rooting against him. And he's been a consistently good player, yet people will not accept that. Has he been the GOAT? No. Was he overly hyped? Perhaps. He does have one of the best overall packages of skills at the RB position, and he's still growing into the role.
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Consistently good?He's averaged 3.7 yards per rush in two seasons, has as many fumbles as rushing touchdowns and has averaged 82 yards from scrimmage per game. That's hardly consistently good IMHO. He's had his moments, but he's only 21st among RBs in yards from scrimmage over his 2 seasons. He's also 22nd over the last two seasons in TDs/game by a running back.
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Hmmm... was just going by his FF output for my team, I wasn't super happy but not disappointed either. :shrug:
 
He's still in the top 10 range for PPR, but I would think his opportunities will start to decrease. The reason he has been given so many touches is the chance at any given time to take it to the house. Unless he starts gaining yards in larger chunks this year, they would be better off pounding the rock more than swinging for the fences and whiffing with Bush.

With that said I would wait and see how this year develops before giving up on him, but odds are he will have to do more with less touches to keep his ranking in FF.

 
so where would Bush fall in a redraft? his injury history and the fact that he's sharing duties w/ Duece doesn't warrant using anything higher than a middle first round pick. But he's got too much upside to last into the 2nd round.

Last year, Reggie fell towards the end of the first round. Does anyone see this changing for 2008? I'd love for him to fall in the 2nd round, but that never happens.

 
I'm a little surprised that he hasn't been better, but he's not the type of guy you should write off. I expect to become a good running back when all is said and done.

 
happy_donut said:
Almas_4th_Child said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Chiming in.

Change him to WR. Get him out in space. He's not an NFL RB.
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LOL. You own him. That must totally suck.
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Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.Your right, it sucks to have a guy preform an elite level and not be preforming as good as he could.

Instead of everyone trying to change Reggie for his flexability you should embrass it. If we all owned corvette's and porsche's would we try to go four wheeling with them? The answer is "no".Reggie is a sportscar so let him be one, don't try to convert him into what he isn't. Reggie is the most versitile rb in the nfl. much like Vick was at qb. Hopefully the Saints don't screw up like the falcons did by trying to change a player into what they are not instead of letting them be who they are.
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Vick and Reggie Bush should both play WR...honestly.
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yeah these guys are uber smart....Mike Tice.....anyone.....anyone........edit at add: Bush is a pretty good NFL RB with great speed and hands. As far as a FF RB goes..... outside of PPR leagues he has been a pretty big BUST

 
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Jason Wood said:
switz said:
kremenull said:
Well, I beg to differ, as usual, with the consensus here. Many guys of similar stature and style have started off relatively slow in their careers (Westbrook, Nap Kaufman, and especially Tiki), yet learned NFL style running on the fly and became very successful. So while others appear to have written Bush off already, this will be a huge error on their part. This guy is a bit too talented, and more importantly, much too driven, to fail in the NFL. I believe that Bush is the ONLY player currently in the NFL with a real good chance of putting together a 1,000-1,000........that's 1k rush and 1k receiving in the same season......don't be shocked if it happens in '08........ ;)
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:confused: Reggie entered the NFL with a lot of haters already rooting against him. And he's been a consistently good player, yet people will not accept that. Has he been the GOAT? No. Was he overly hyped? Perhaps. He does have one of the best overall packages of skills at the RB position, and he's still growing into the role.
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Consistently good?He's averaged 3.7 yards per rush in two seasons, has as many fumbles as rushing touchdowns and has averaged 82 yards from scrimmage per game. That's hardly consistently good IMHO. He's had his moments, but he's only 21st among RBs in yards from scrimmage over his 2 seasons. He's also 22nd over the last two seasons in TDs/game by a running back.
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Hmmm... was just going by his FF output for my team, I wasn't super happy but not disappointed either. :loco:
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I actually think Bush is the best argument against PPR scoring [note: I am a fan of PPR scoring, just being devil's advocate here]. He's not been one of the 20 most productive running backs in the league; but in terms of PPR leagues, he's been the 9th best RB over the last two seasons.
 
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he's a boy among men and is really only a good PPR option at this point. think Eric Metcalf
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No he's more a WR than runner. He's a specialist and change of pace back. The Metcalf comparison is over done.
 
Jason Wood said:
switz said:
Jason Wood said:
switz said:
kremenull said:
Well, I beg to differ, as usual, with the consensus here. Many guys of similar stature and style have started off relatively slow in their careers (Westbrook, Nap Kaufman, and especially Tiki), yet learned NFL style running on the fly and became very successful. So while others appear to have written Bush off already, this will be a huge error on their part. This guy is a bit too talented, and more importantly, much too driven, to fail in the NFL. I believe that Bush is the ONLY player currently in the NFL with a real good chance of putting together a 1,000-1,000........that's 1k rush and 1k receiving in the same season......don't be shocked if it happens in '08........ :banned:
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:banned: Reggie entered the NFL with a lot of haters already rooting against him. And he's been a consistently good player, yet people will not accept that. Has he been the GOAT? No. Was he overly hyped? Perhaps. He does have one of the best overall packages of skills at the RB position, and he's still growing into the role.
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IConsistently good?He's averaged 3.7 yards per rush in two seasons, has as many fumbles as rushing touchdowns and has averaged 82 yards from scrimmage per game. That's hardly consistently good IMHO. He's had his moments, but he's only 21st among RBs in yards from scrimmage over his 2 seasons. He's also 22nd over the last two seasons in TDs/game by a running back.
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Hmmm... was just going by his FF output for my team, I wasn't super happy but not disappointed either. :banned:
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I actually think Bush is the best argument against PPR scoring [note: I am a fan of PPR scoring, just being devil's advocate here]. He's not been one of the 20 most productive running backs in the league; but in terms of PPR leagues, he's been the 9th best RB over the last two seasons.
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I don't get that argument (even though I know you are a fan of PPR). PPR leagues don't institute that scoring after the draft. Knowing your scoring system is as important as knowing the players. It should be known that Bush is going to be worth more in a PPR league. Ignoring that is foolish. I don't see him as a good argument against PPR at all unless his receptions came as a shock or the scoring did?
 
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Yitbos69 said:
happy_donut said:
Almas_4th_Child said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Chiming in.

Change him to WR. Get him out in space. He's not an NFL RB.
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LOL. You own him. That must totally suck.
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Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.Your right, it sucks to have a guy preform an elite level and not be preforming as good as he could.

Instead of everyone trying to change Reggie for his flexability you should embrass it. If we all owned corvette's and porsche's would we try to go four wheeling with them? The answer is "no".Reggie is a sportscar so let him be one, don't try to convert him into what he isn't. Reggie is the most versitile rb in the nfl. much like Vick was at qb. Hopefully the Saints don't screw up like the falcons did by trying to change a player into what they are not instead of letting them be who they are.
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Vick and Reggie Bush should both play WR...honestly.
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Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
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yeah these guys are uber smart....Mike Tice.....anyone.....anyone........edit at add: Bush is a pretty good NFL RB with great speed and hands. As far as a FF RB goes..... outside of PPR leagues he has been a pretty big BUST
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WTF does Tice have to do with Reggie?Reggie is a fine player, just different than the narrow-minded among us want their RB to be.

 
comfortably numb said:
Vick/Young don't have to throw 300+ yds. They win games by throwing 180 and rushing for 92, and keeping DB's trembling, and guessing.(at least this stage of their careers)
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I get your point, and generally agree with it, but you are grossly overexaggerating here.Young - 30 career games, 158 passing ypg, 32 rushing ypgVick - 74 career games, 155 passing ypg, 52 rushing ypgWith your numbers, they would be accounting for 4352 total yards per 16 games on their own. Vick's peak was 3713 total yards in 2002 and Young's was 2941 total yards last season. Vick regressed from that peak, however.Now... I agree that Bush is talented enough to (a) perform better than he has shown over a full season to date and (b) change the game for his teammates by attracting attention on the field and in the defensive game plan.
 
burd said:
so where would Bush fall in a redraft? his injury history and the fact that he's sharing duties w/ Duece doesn't warrant using anything higher than a middle first round pick. But he's got too much upside to last into the 2nd round. Last year, Reggie fell towards the end of the first round. Does anyone see this changing for 2008? I'd love for him to fall in the 2nd round, but that never happens.
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In a redraft non-PPR league, I'd be surprised to see him go before the second round, unless you have a lot of teams in your league. PPR would obviously be different.
 
Jason Wood said:
switz said:
Jason Wood said:
switz said:
kremenull said:
Well, I beg to differ, as usual, with the consensus here. Many guys of similar stature and style have started off relatively slow in their careers (Westbrook, Nap Kaufman, and especially Tiki), yet learned NFL style running on the fly and became very successful. So while others appear to have written Bush off already, this will be a huge error on their part. This guy is a bit too talented, and more importantly, much too driven, to fail in the NFL. I believe that Bush is the ONLY player currently in the NFL with a real good chance of putting together a 1,000-1,000........that's 1k rush and 1k receiving in the same season......don't be shocked if it happens in '08........ ;)
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:goodposting: Reggie entered the NFL with a lot of haters already rooting against him. And he's been a consistently good player, yet people will not accept that. Has he been the GOAT? No. Was he overly hyped? Perhaps. He does have one of the best overall packages of skills at the RB position, and he's still growing into the role.
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Consistently good?He's averaged 3.7 yards per rush in two seasons, has as many fumbles as rushing touchdowns and has averaged 82 yards from scrimmage per game. That's hardly consistently good IMHO. He's had his moments, but he's only 21st among RBs in yards from scrimmage over his 2 seasons. He's also 22nd over the last two seasons in TDs/game by a running back.
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Hmmm... was just going by his FF output for my team, I wasn't super happy but not disappointed either. :shrug:
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I actually think Bush is the best argument against PPR scoring [note: I am a fan of PPR scoring, just being devil's advocate here]. He's not been one of the 20 most productive running backs in the league; but in terms of PPR leagues, he's been the 9th best RB over the last two seasons.
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It's certainly an argument against 1 PPR for RB's. The problem I have with RB's receiving a full PPR is that many of their catches are dump-offs that aren't much different than a hand off, so it overstates their value in real football terms. I do think PPR for RB's is good but really shouldn't be more .5 PPR.
 
Yitbos69 said:
happy_donut said:
Almas_4th_Child said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Blackjacks said:
FavreCo said:
Chiming in.

Change him to WR. Get him out in space. He's not an NFL RB.
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:goodposting:
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LOL. You own him. That must totally suck.
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Yeah it sucks. It sucks that after he got his feet wet for the first 6 weeks in the NFL he has been a top ten rb. Even last year, when everyone was calling him a disappointment, dude was #10 in our non-ppr league before his injury.Your right, it sucks to have a guy preform an elite level and not be preforming as good as he could.

Instead of everyone trying to change Reggie for his flexability you should embrass it. If we all owned corvette's and porsche's would we try to go four wheeling with them? The answer is "no".Reggie is a sportscar so let him be one, don't try to convert him into what he isn't. Reggie is the most versitile rb in the nfl. much like Vick was at qb. Hopefully the Saints don't screw up like the falcons did by trying to change a player into what they are not instead of letting them be who they are.
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Vick and Reggie Bush should both play WR...honestly.
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Yet NFL Coaches disagree.
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yeah these guys are uber smart....Mike Tice.....anyone.....anyone........edit at add: Bush is a pretty good NFL RB with great speed and hands. As far as a FF RB goes..... outside of PPR leagues he has been a pretty big BUST
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Reading comprehension down?
happy_donut said:
My point was that only an NFL coach would be in a position to make that change. So far, none have.
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http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8499952
 
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