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6 current RB's in the top 10 in YPC since 1980 (1 Viewer)

cstu

cstu

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This is a small sample size (100+ carries) but I thought it was surprising. With the except of Young and Grant, the other other backs have at least 200 carries.

Obviously Peterson is the real deal and likely to keep it up the pace to some extent, as is MJD.

Now the Falcons have two guys with very high career YPC so that could be an interesting situation.

Does anybody think Selvin Young or Ryan Grant have a chance to keep this up?

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT1 Jerious Norwood rb 2006--2007 29 201 1248 6.21 3 40 379 9.47 0 180.702 Adrian Peterson rb 2007--2007 14 238 1341 5.63 12 19 268 14.11 1 238.904 Michael Turner rb 2004--2007 58 228 1257 5.51 6 11 71 6.45 0 168.808 Selvin Young rb 2007--2007 15 140 729 5.21 1 35 231 6.60 0 102.009 M. Jones-Drew rb 2006--2007 31 333 1709 5.13 22 86 843 9.80 2 399.2010 Ryan Grant rb 2007--2007 15 188 956 5.09 8 30 147 4.90 0 158.30Other recent RB's who have been listed in the top 10 in YPC:Tatum Bell

Davenport

Steven Jackson

Portis

Onterrio Smith

Lamont Jordan

Troy Hambrick

Mike Anderson

Brian Mitchell

If you bump the career carries up to 300, you have just a handful of current backs with top career YPC:

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2	M. Jones-Drew rb	2006--2007	31	333	1709	5.13	22	86	843	9.80	2	399.206	Frank Gore	rb	2005--2007	45	699	3405	4.87	16	129	1052	8.16	2	553.709	Tatum Bell	rb	2004--2007	47	525	2524	4.81	14	61	362	5.93	0	372.6011	Westbrook	rb	2002--2007	85	1014	4785	4.72	27	347	3207	9.24	23	1104.4514	Fred Taylor rb	1998--2007	127	2285	10715	4.69	61	270	2263	8.38	8	1711.80
 
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Man.

MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.

He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.

Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.

 
cstu said:
Other recent RB's who have been listed in the top 10 in YPC:Tatum BellDavenportSteven JacksonPortisOnterrio SmithLamont JordanTroy HambrickMike AndersonBrian Mitchell
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This list leaves much to be desired. Portis and SJax have had a nice couple of years. Lamont Jordan had a nice single season. The rest? :popcorn: Tinker Bell. Dumper. Uninator. Hamsuck. Mike - Ten HUT - Anderson, and Brian Mitchell from what, 15 years ago? :ph34r:
 
teamroc said:
Man.MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.
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So would I, but as long as Taylor is upright the guy is going to have to keep cracking the top 15 while playing the backup...
 
TheFanatic said:
cstu said:
Other recent RB's who have been listed in the top 10 in YPC:Tatum BellDavenportSteven JacksonPortisOnterrio SmithLamont JordanTroy HambrickMike AndersonBrian Mitchell
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This list leaves much to be desired. Portis and SJax have had a nice couple of years. Lamont Jordan had a nice single season. The rest? :confused: Tinker Bell. Dumper. Uninator. Hamsuck. Mike - Ten HUT - Anderson, and Brian Mitchell from what, 15 years ago? :wall:
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That was my point, most of these guys are going to fall off the map. It is pretty unique to have so many guys with high YPC's though.
 
teamroc said:
Man.MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.
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That YPC is really skewed by his first season. This past year he was 4.6, only had 5 games of 5.0+ YPC which was offset by 5 games with <3.0 YPC (yikes).He's good, but his rookie season was outstanding, and somewhat skews his career stats. We don't know what he'll do with a full load because he hasn't been asked to carry it yet in the NFL. He's had two games with 20+ carries which have been awful, but he's also had 2 games with 19 carries which have been good.I honestly believe he's best fit for a COP role. But that's just me, I know most here disagree.
 
Most on that list are elite RB talent or are from zone blocking schemes. :confused:

It would seem to be easier/cheaper to implement a ZBS than to add a stud RB.

 
teamroc said:
Man.MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.
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And yet some here will still nitpick his game to death...
 
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switz said:
teamroc said:
Man.MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.
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That YPC is really skewed by his first season. This past year he was 4.6, only had 5 games of 5.0+ YPC which was offset by 5 games with <3.0 YPC (yikes).He's good, but his rookie season was outstanding, and somewhat skews his career stats. We don't know what he'll do with a full load because he hasn't been asked to carry it yet in the NFL. He's had two games with 20+ carries which have been awful, but he's also had 2 games with 19 carries which have been good.I honestly believe he's best fit for a COP role. But that's just me, I know most here disagree.
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'Change-Of-Pace' RBs don't score 24 TDs in the NFL prior to the age of 23 (not including MJD's return TDs).If Jax is comfortable going into this season with only a 32 year old Taylor in front of MJD, and still not address the RB position in the draft, then that speaks volumes to me as to how they feel about MJD's ability to carry a bigger workload.Clearly Jack Del Rio and company don't see MJD as a COP back, even if switz does...
 
switz said:
teamroc said:
Man.MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.
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That YPC is really skewed by his first season. This past year he was 4.6, only had 5 games of 5.0+ YPC which was offset by 5 games with <3.0 YPC (yikes).He's good, but his rookie season was outstanding, and somewhat skews his career stats. We don't know what he'll do with a full load because he hasn't been asked to carry it yet in the NFL. He's had two games with 20+ carries which have been awful, but he's also had 2 games with 19 carries which have been good.I honestly believe he's best fit for a COP role. But that's just me, I know most here disagree.
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What a surprise. switz trying to put a negative spin on MJD. :lmao: Twist it however you want, even 4.6 YPA is one of the more impressive YPA any RB with a meaningful amount of carries is going to have. Looking at the list, MJD actually has the most carries by a large margin of anyone on there. Really his YPA and Peterson's are the most impressive by far IMO. MJD's more so because you factor in 2 season rather than one. For perspective, LT has a career YAP of 4.5 and has only ever seen higher than 4.6 3 times in his career.
 
jurb26 said:
switz said:
teamroc said:
Man.

MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.

He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.

Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.
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That YPC is really skewed by his first season. This past year he was 4.6, only had 5 games of 5.0+ YPC which was offset by 5 games with <3.0 YPC (yikes).He's good, but his rookie season was outstanding, and somewhat skews his career stats.

We don't know what he'll do with a full load because he hasn't been asked to carry it yet in the NFL. He's had two games with 20+ carries which have been awful, but he's also had 2 games with 19 carries which have been good.

I honestly believe he's best fit for a COP role. But that's just me, I know most here disagree.
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What a surprise. switz trying to put a negative spin on MJD. :thumbdown:
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Not a negative spin, just perspective. MJD is behind the best OL in the league, and is able to stay fresh by being used sparingly.
jurb26 said:
Twist it however you want, even 4.6 YPA is one of the more impressive YPA any RB with a meaningful amount of carries is going to have. Looking at the list, MJD actually has the most carries by a large margin of anyone on there. Really his YPA and Peterson's are the most impressive by far IMO. MJD's more so because you factor in 2 season rather than one. For perspective, LT has a career YAP of 4.5 and has only ever seen higher than 4.6 3 times in his career.
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LT also has carried the load every season, and not been the #2 RB with a guy to wear down the defense ahead of him. Only twice has LT had < carries in a season than MJD has in his career.LT has averaged 5.2 YPC on 348 carries in one season. That's a huge difference.

 
switz said:
jurb26 said:
switz said:
teamroc said:
Man.

MJD 333 carries 1709 yards 5.13 ypc 22 rushing TDs 86 catches 843 yards 2 TDs.

He has torn the league up the last 2 years. I'd love to see him get 300 carries in a season.

Anyway, cool list. Just had to gush a little.
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That YPC is really skewed by his first season. This past year he was 4.6, only had 5 games of 5.0+ YPC which was offset by 5 games with <3.0 YPC (yikes).He's good, but his rookie season was outstanding, and somewhat skews his career stats.

We don't know what he'll do with a full load because he hasn't been asked to carry it yet in the NFL. He's had two games with 20+ carries which have been awful, but he's also had 2 games with 19 carries which have been good.

I honestly believe he's best fit for a COP role. But that's just me, I know most here disagree.
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What a surprise. switz trying to put a negative spin on MJD. :2cents:
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Not a negative spin, just perspective. MJD is behind the best OL in the league, and is able to stay fresh by being used sparingly.
jurb26 said:
Twist it however you want, even 4.6 YPA is one of the more impressive YPA any RB with a meaningful amount of carries is going to have. Looking at the list, MJD actually has the most carries by a large margin of anyone on there. Really his YPA and Peterson's are the most impressive by far IMO. MJD's more so because you factor in 2 season rather than one. For perspective, LT has a career YAP of 4.5 and has only ever seen higher than 4.6 3 times in his career.
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LT also has carried the load every season, and not been the #2 RB with a guy to wear down the defense ahead of him. Only twice has LT had < carries in a season than MJD has in his career.LT has averaged 5.2 YPC on 348 carries in one season. That's a huge difference.
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Being used sparingly is what Turner has seen. MJD has had at least 160 carries each season. Thats not chump change. If you really think Jack has the best Oline in the NFL then I guess there is no point continuing this conversation. I'm not saying MJD is more impressive than LT, far from it. Of course LT is more impressive because of his workload. BTW, LT had that 5.2 YPA in a year where he arguably had the best Oline in the NFL. Still, What MJD has done in 2 years is nothing short of remarkable. Having worst case YPA of 4.6 is rather amazing when you are getting at least 160 carries a year.

 
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jurb26 said:
Having worst case YPA of 4.6 is rather amazing when you are getting at least 160 carries a year.
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Really????Nine backs this past season had better YPC in similar i not greater work loads

Adrian Peterson 238 5.6

Chester Taylor 157 5.4

Fred Taylor 223 5.4

Selvin Young 140 5.2 (add 20 0 yard carries he's still 4.6)

Ryan Grant 188 5.1

Brandon Jacobs 202 5.0

Marion Barber 204 4.8

Brian Westbrook 278 4.8

LT 315 4.7

MJD 167 4.6

3 more with very nearly the same YPC with similar to greater workloads

DeAngelo Williams 144 5.0 (add 16 0 yard carries he's 4.5)

Justin Fargas 222 4.5

Laurence Maroney 185 4.5

 
switz said:
jurb26 said:
Having worst case YPA of 4.6 is rather amazing when you are getting at least 160 carries a year.
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Really????Nine backs this past season had better YPC in similar i not greater work loads

Adrian Peterson 238 5.6

Chester Taylor 157 5.4

Fred Taylor 223 5.4

Selvin Young 140 5.2 (add 20 0 yard carries he's still 4.6)

Ryan Grant 188 5.1

Brandon Jacobs 202 5.0

Marion Barber 204 4.8

Brian Westbrook 278 4.8

LT 315 4.7

MJD 167 4.6

3 more with very nearly the same YPC with similar to greater workloads

DeAngelo Williams 144 5.0 (add 16 0 yard carries he's 4.5)

Justin Fargas 222 4.5

Laurence Maroney 185 4.5
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Did you miss the part where the post said worst case... MJD had a YPA of 5.7 with that same work load a year before. Hardly anyone on you list comes close to that. No one matches or surpasses it. Of course that was the year you wanted to throw out because it skewed the numbers. It's only been 2 years for the guy. How do you know it was not the 4.6 that has skewed his numbers down?

 
Over 5.00 YPC, min 100 carries, through 2 seasons.

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NAME 	POS 	YRs 	G 	RSH 	RSHYD 	YD/RSH 	RSHTD 	FANT PT1	Jerious Norwood	rb	2006--2007	29	201	1248	6.21	3	180.702	Ted McKnight	rb	1977--1978	29	115	701	6.10	6	121.503	**** Bass	rb	1960--1961	26	129	761	5.90	4	123.804	Ernie Green	rb	1962--1963	27	118	665	5.64	0	140.405	Adrian Peterson	rb	2007--2007	14	238	1341	5.63	12	238.906	Clinton Portis	rb	2002--2003	29	563	3099	5.50	29	563.707	Warren McVea	rb	1968--1969	23	115	633	5.50	8	156.808	Clarence Davis	rb	1971--1972	25	125	684	5.47	8	134.309	Delvin Williams	rb	1974--1975	27	153	832	5.44	6	163.1010	Hoyle Granger	rb	1966--1967	25	292	1582	5.42	7	264.6011	Nick Pietrosante	rb	1960--1960	12	161	872	5.42	8	148.1012	Gale Sayers	rb	1965--1966	28	395	2098	5.31	22	485.2013	Tatum Bell	rb	2004--2005	29	248	1317	5.31	11	216.1014	Brad Hubbert	rb	1967--1968	16	144	762	5.29	4	134.7015	Napoleon Kaufman	rb	1995--1996	32	258	1364	5.29	2	174.9016	Frank Gore	rb	2005--2006	30	439	2303	5.25	11	363.9017	Barry Foster	rb	1990--1991	26	132	691	5.23	2	99.0018	Mack Lee Hill	rb	1964--1965	27	230	1203	5.23	6	215.1019	Bo Jackson	rb	1987--1988	17	217	1134	5.23	7	188.9020	Lawrence McCutcheon	rb	1972--1973	15	210	1097	5.22	2	168.6021	Paul Lowe	rb	1960--1961	28	311	1622	5.22	17	324.2022	Sid Blanks	rb	1964--1964	14	145	756	5.21	6	167.3023	Selvin Young	rb	2007--2007	15	140	729	5.21	1	102.0024	Najeh Davenport	rb	2002--2003	23	116	604	5.21	3	85.5025	Cid Edwards	rb	1968--1969	28	138	718	5.20	4	126.9026	Barry Sanders	rb	1989--1990	31	535	2774	5.19	27	533.6027	Otis Armstrong	rb	1973--1974	28	289	1497	5.18	9	272.5028	Amos Marsh	rb	1961--1962	28	228	1181	5.18	7	249.7029	Jack Spikes	rb	1960--1961	20	154	791	5.14	10	168.5030	Maurice Jones-Drew	rb	2006--2007	31	333	1709	5.13	22	399.2031	Abner Haynes	rb	1960--1961	28	335	1716	5.12	18	429.0032	Troy Hambrick	rb	2000--2001	19	119	607	5.10	2	78.9033	Eric Dickerson	rb	1983--1984	32	769	3913	5.09	32	648.6034	Tom Moore	rb	1960--1961	25	106	539	5.08	5	104.0035	Albert Bentley	rb	1985--1986	27	127	639	5.03	5	125.4036	Joe Carter	rb	1984--1985	23	114	571	5.01	1	69.1037	Ickey Woods	rb	1988--1989	18	232	1160	5.00	17	237.90
 
cstu said:
This is a small sample size (100+ carries) but I thought it was surprising. With the except of Young and Grant, the other other backs have at least 200 carries. Obviously Peterson is the real deal and likely to keep it up the pace to some extent, as is MJD. Now the Falcons have two guys with very high career YPC so that could be an interesting situation.Does anybody think Selvin Young or Ryan Grant have a chance to keep this up?

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NAME  POS 	YRs 		G 	RSH  RSHYD  YD/RSH   RSHTD  REC  RECYD 	YD/REC 	RECTD 	FANT PT1	Jerious Norwood	rb	2006--2007	29	201	1248	6.21	 3	40	379	9.47	0	180.702	Adrian Peterson	rb	2007--2007	14	238	1341	5.63	12	19	268	14.11	1	238.904	Michael Turner 	  rb	2004--2007	58	228	1257	5.51	 6	11	71	6.45	0	168.808	Selvin Young		 rb	2007--2007	15	140	729	5.21	  1	35	231	6.60	0	102.009	M. Jones-Drew   	 rb	2006--2007	31	333	1709	5.13	22	86	843	9.80	2	399.2010	Ryan Grant		  rb	2007--2007	15	188	956	5.09	  8	30	147	4.90	0	158.30
Other recent RB's who have been listed in the top 10 in YPC:Tatum BellDavenportSteven JacksonPortisOnterrio SmithLamont JordanTroy HambrickMike AndersonBrian MitchellIf you bump the career carries up to 300, you have just a handful of current backs with top career YPC:
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2	M. Jones-Drew rb	2006--2007	31	333	1709	5.13	22	86	843	9.80	2	399.206	Frank Gore	rb	2005--2007	45	699	3405	4.87	16	129	1052	8.16	2	553.709	Tatum Bell	rb	2004--2007	47	525	2524	4.81	14	61	362	5.93	0	372.6011	Westbrook	rb	2002--2007	85	1014	4785	4.72	27	347	3207	9.24	23	1104.4514	Fred Taylor rb	1998--2007	127	2285	10715	4.69	61	270	2263	8.38	8	1711.80
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:boxing: Ever hear of a small sample size?
 
TheFanatic said:
I love Switz knocking a guy for having a 4.6 YPC!?!?!
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Not knocking him for having a good YPC, just trying to add perspective. I actually like MJD, but let's look at things realistically.First season, no teams knew much about him, he exploded.Second season, teams knew about him, he regresses considerably.Neither season was he asked to carry the load.Does that mean he stinks? NO WAYBut it also does not mean that he would excel as a full time back, when he hasn't been very successful so far in games where he was given the full load.Almost all of the RBs last season used in a complementary role had very good YPCs. MJD's performance was typical, not unique.
 
jurb26 said:
Did you miss the part where the post said worst case...
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50% of his seasons is now worst case? You don't think the sample is a bit small to determine that's his floor?Did you know only 6 of his games last season were > 4.6 YPC? That means the majority of his games were < 4.6 YPC. In fact, 18 of his career games where sub 4.6 YPC. 12 of his games were sub-4.0 YPC or his career. I'm not sure where you get 4.6 YPC as a worst case scenario.

Did you know in the two games where he had 20+ carries his YPC is 3.8?

He's an exciting RB, fun to watch, determined hard and explosive runner. He's just overvalued currently.

 
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jurb26 said:
Did you miss the part where the post said worst case...
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50% of his seasons is now worst case? You don't think the sample is a bit small to determine that's his floor?Did you know only 6 of his games last season were > 4.6 YPC? That means the majority of his games were < 4.6 YPC. In fact, 18 of his career games where sub 4.6 YPC. 12 of his games were sub-4.0 YPC or his career. I'm not sure where you get 4.6 YPC as a worst case scenario.

Did you know in the two games where he had 20+ carries his YPC is 3.8?

He's an exciting RB, fun to watch, determined hard and explosive runner. He's just overvalued currently.
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Did you know that only 4 of Adian Peterson's games were over his 5.6 per carry average? That means the majority of his games were < 5.6 YPC. In fact, 10 of his 14 career games where sub 5.6 YPC. 8 of his games were sub-4.2 YPC, that's over half his games. And 6 of his 14 games he was under 4 yards per carry. So I guess he's overvalued as well? You can make stats dance to try and support a point all you want. At the end of the day MJD's production in 2007 was in line with his average draft position. There's really no reason for the hate, it's time to let it go.
 
Wadsworth said:
switz said:
jurb26 said:
Did you miss the part where the post said worst case...
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50% of his seasons is now worst case? You don't think the sample is a bit small to determine that's his floor?Did you know only 6 of his games last season were > 4.6 YPC? That means the majority of his games were < 4.6 YPC. In fact, 18 of his career games where sub 4.6 YPC. 12 of his games were sub-4.0 YPC or his career. I'm not sure where you get 4.6 YPC as a worst case scenario.

Did you know in the two games where he had 20+ carries his YPC is 3.8?

He's an exciting RB, fun to watch, determined hard and explosive runner. He's just overvalued currently.
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Did you know that only 4 of Adian Peterson's games were over his 5.6 per carry average? That means the majority of his games were < 5.6 YPC. In fact, 10 of his 14 career games where sub 5.6 YPC. 8 of his games were sub-4.2 YPC, that's over half his games. And 6 of his 14 games he was under 4 yards per carry. So I guess he's overvalued as well? You can make stats dance to try and support a point all you want. At the end of the day MJD's production in 2007 was in line with his average draft position. There's really no reason for the hate, it's time to let it go.
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I'm thinking it's time for us to let it go. switz has a rather well documented bias/hate for MJD. That will never change. I'll simply ignore his posts on MJD for now on.
 
cstu said:
shadyridr said:
cstu said:
This is a small sample size (100+ carries) but I thought it was surprising.
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:lmao: Ever hear of a small sample size?
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:P
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Didnt read the whole post but did you really find it surprising that a bunch of guys in their first and 2nd year with low carry totals have a higher YPC than a bunch of players since 1980 who would have played their whole careers? As these guys careers continue their abnormally high YPC will drop with more carries.
 
Wadsworth said:
Did you know that only 4 of Adian Peterson's games were over his 5.6 per carry average? That means the majority of his games were < 5.6 YPC. In fact, 10 of his 14 career games where sub 5.6 YPC. 8 of his games were sub-4.2 YPC, that's over half his games. And 6 of his 14 games he was under 4 yards per carry. So I guess he's overvalued as well? You can make stats dance to try and support a point all you want. At the end of the day MJD's production in 2007 was in line with his average draft position. There's really no reason for the hate, it's time to let it go.
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You chose a horrible comparison to try to make. Four of those games Peterson was playing with an injury, it's expected his performance would suffer quite a bit because of it.Also, MJD was putting up his numbers with an average of 11 carries per game, Peterson was doing it with 19-20 carries a game. Another huge difference.As well as Peterson was the best rusher on his team, MJD was not. Another big difference.Regardless, my argument was in response to saying 4.6 was MJD's "worst case scenario" YPC, which it clearly is not. And I highly doubt anyone would say 5.6 is Peterson's "worst case scenario" YPC either.
 
jurb26 said:
I'm thinking it's time for us to let it go. switz has a rather well documented bias/hate for MJD. That will never change. I'll simply ignore his posts on MJD for now on.
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If you would actually read my posts instead of overreacting, you would see I have no bias against, nor hate for MJD.
 
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