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Although my team is young at spots, especially WR w/ Sweed, Jones and Rice, I agree with you radballs. I thought the rookies and some unproven 2nd year players went earlier than expected. It could certainly pay off, and as you say, time will tell.
I also like a mixture of young and proven. I feel that I accomplished that. Whether it pans out for me, who knows. I've got a good base with ADP / Chester Taylor, Reggie Wayne, Lee Evans, Dallas Clark, Tony Romo, Gostkowski, and the Chargers defense. I got Willie Parker at 7.01, which I think was a steal. I also like the potential of Steve Smith (NYG @9.01). I took a couple old guys that could help this year in Fred Taylor (@14.11) and Ahman Green (@18.12). Chris Perry might be over his injury bugaboos and help also. For the most part I got the rookies I wanted, with DeSean Jackson, Mario Manningham, Early Doucet, Will Franklin, Martin Rucker, and Jacob Tamme.
I agree to a certain extent, but I think owners are wary of players who show signs of breaking down. Look at someone like Shaun Alexander or Marvin Harrison last year. I'm sure whoever got those guys thought he was getting a nice value. Now? Not so much. Guys like Fred Taylor, Rudi Johnson, Thomas Jones, Isaac Bruce, Joey Galloway, and Tony Gonzalez might not be playing two years from now. So I think when you take that type of player you have to do so with the understanding that he might falter and become worthless at any time.I know I had mixed feelings about Westbrook, Moss, and Ward. I thought they were clearly the best players available for the short term, yet I knew that I would probably have to replace them within the next few years. There's a tradeoff.
I think rookies in general (not in all particular cases) were overvalued. In drafts next year some of those same rookies will be undervalued. Uecker Stalkers
That's why I like to draft for now AND the future. It doesn't have to be one way or the other.
I agree with you Chuck. I like to put together a nice balance. Although, I'm probably a bit on the older side. These next 15 weeks are going to be tough without some action.
I agree with this. That's just the way it goes in dynasty drafts. Everyone is always looking for the next great franchise player. Flashy young guys like Forte, S. Rice, Hardy, K. Smith, Ginn, Stewart, and A. Gonzalez will always go high in the draft due to the possibility that they'll become star players. Some of them will, but I've reached a point where I don't like to draft this type of player in the top 6-8 rounds unless I'm VERY confident that he'll be a success. Otherwise I'd rather have a proven vet like Cotchery or Ward and then draft an underrated prospect like Hill or Jarrett later in the going. IMO the unfashionable 1st-3rd year players are often better risk/reward propositions than the fashionable players everyone wants.
Like I said, lots of ways to skin a cat.
I truly mean that. What's best for me (drafting young), may not be best for you. What matters is hitting on the majority of your picks, whether it be a 22 year-old or somebody who qualifies for free coffee at McDonalds. Also, like you said, in-season management is paramount, as well.
I wasn't referring to any specific team with my comments, just the rate at which youth was flying off the board while guys like Jamal Lewis and Torry Holt and Hines Ward were just sitting there. It was mind boggling.Like I said, lots of ways to skin a cat.
I realize that. Just wanted to respond in general.I wasn't referring to any specific team with my comments, just the rate at which youth was flying off the board while guys like Jamal Lewis and Torry Holt and Hines Ward were just sitting there. It was mind boggling.Like I said, lots of ways to skin a cat.I truly mean that. What's best for me (drafting young), may not be best for you. What matters is hitting on the majority of your picks, whether it be a 22 year-old or somebody who qualifies for free coffee at McDonalds. Also, like you said, in-season management is paramount, as well.
You've got nothing to defend IMO. You got value across the board and while you can nitpick Holt over Holmes the bottom line is that you got solid players who aren't really that old. Heck, it's not until you selected Ginn in the 10th that I found a pick I didn't like - thought you should have taken Fred Taylor instead since you had MJD.
This always happens. i remember HA I a couple of years ago when Maroney went in the first round his rookie season. I got a guy like Addai in the 3rd and Gore in the 6th. Waaayyyy too many young guys going uber early before they had done anything on the field.
Undercover Brother, I gave you more crap than anyone else on the boards. I was just busting your chops. I thought it was funny. If you notice I took Ryan, Avery, Dex Jackson, and J McFinley. I like going young and you forced my hand on at least Avery and Ryan. But it was all in a good time, just trying to bust your chops but not being serious. Also Couch is 1st class. I think you took him either way too seriously or different than was intended.
Yea, I hope you have your tissues ready.
I LOVE IT!!!!We are all solid, proven winners. Most will not do as well as they previously have.
QB - Cutler is a decent option in a dynasty league. He's posted a solid QB rating and yards per attempt average through two seasons, indicating that he has some potential. He's probably not an ideal QB1, but he won't kill you. Ryan will provide depth and long term upside. Kitna gives you another starting option for 2008. Smith looks like a bust, but he has injury excuses. There's a slight chance he'll take steps forward this year. I'm not holding my breath though. Decent group overall. Lacks star power, but shouldn't be a huge liability. RB - Lots of big names here. Peterson is a freakish talent. If he can stay healthy, he should be very good. Chester would've made sense given Peterson's injury history. LJ has a lot of talent, but his best years might be behind him. But as a RB2? Not bad at all. Julius will give you some depth for next year and potentially develop into a long term starter. James and Fargas could contribute for another year or two. Alexander is toast. Benson looks like a bust, but he's still young enough to potentially bounce back if he can get his #### together. Strong group overall. A pair of stud talents and plenty of depth. WR - I think Calvin can be special, but until it happens, you never know for sure. Cotchery is a good player, but more ideal as a WR3 than a WR2. Glenn and Harrison probably won't give you much. Avery, Davis, and Jackson have some long term potential. Not a terrible group overall, but you don't yet have a proven WR1 and you could probably use another live body or two. TE - Shockey should be fine. Not wild about your backups, but that shouldn't matter much. OVERALL - Pretty good team. You should be able to field a strong starting lineup. If Calvin steps up and/or LJ returns to form then you could be one of the better teams in your conference right away. On the flipside, you're heavily invested at RB and it's not difficult to imagine a scenario where that comes back to bite you in the ###. Peterson has been brittle throughout his career, LJ has been sliding since his glory years, James is ancient, and Julius has a history of underachieving. Still, I think you'll be a solid team if your guys stay healthy and Calvin gives you a top 15 season.
Interesting mix of young and old, I like the strategy. I think the players are there to win this year, even though lot has to go right. Really like the two young studs at RB and WR, should be able to build around those even if the old guys don't work out. Nice pair of QBs. Not spectacular but Cotchery is a solid player who should produce for years.QB - Cutler is a decent option in a dynasty league. He's posted a solid QB rating and yards per attempt average through two seasons, indicating that he has some potential. He's probably not an ideal QB1, but he won't kill you. Ryan will provide depth and long term upside. Kitna gives you another starting option for 2008. Smith looks like a bust, but he has injury excuses. There's a slight chance he'll take steps forward this year. I'm not holding my breath though. Decent group overall. Lacks star power, but shouldn't be a huge liability. RB - Lots of big names here. Peterson is a freakish talent. If he can stay healthy, he should be very good. Chester would've made sense given Peterson's injury history. LJ has a lot of talent, but his best years might be behind him. But as a RB2? Not bad at all. Julius will give you some depth for next year and potentially develop into a long term starter. James and Fargas could contribute for another year or two. Alexander is toast. Benson looks like a bust, but he's still young enough to potentially bounce back if he can get his #### together. Strong group overall. A pair of stud talents and plenty of depth. WR - I think Calvin can be special, but until it happens, you never know for sure. Cotchery is a good player, but more ideal as a WR3 than a WR2. Glenn and Harrison probably won't give you much. Avery, Davis, and Jackson have some long term potential. Not a terrible group overall, but you don't yet have a proven WR1 and you could probably use another live body or two. TE - Shockey should be fine. Not wild about your backups, but that shouldn't matter much. OVERALL - Pretty good team. You should be able to field a strong starting lineup. If Calvin steps up and/or LJ returns to form then you could be one of the better teams in your conference right away. On the flipside, you're heavily invested at RB and it's not difficult to imagine a scenario where that comes back to bite you in the ###. Peterson has been brittle throughout his career, LJ has been sliding since his glory years, James is ancient, and Julius has a history of underachieving. Still, I think you'll be a solid team if your guys stay healthy and Calvin gives you a top 15 season.
'Odds on favorite' is a bit strong, but he does have a good team. Injuries, trades, good WW pickups of surprise players, surprise years (good and bad) of his and our players, and just plain head-to-head luck can change everything. Oh, and I plan to win the conference BTW.
That is why he is the favorite and not a lock ... there is a ton that can change just during the summer. But, I cannot fault Ninerfan for swinging for the fences. That is what he did. His lineup is sick. The injury bug can strike any team at any time. So, Potatoes, do you think your team (esp starters) is better than his?'Odds on favorite' is a bit strong, but he does have a good team. Injuries, trades, good WW pickups of surprise players, surprise years (good and bad) of his and our players, and just plain head-to-head luck can change everything. Oh, and I plan to win the conference BTW.
That would be my primary concern as well. Seattle has some great weapons and it's easy to see his team lighting up the scoreboard for a year or two, but that roster is not without its volatility. When you factor in the loss of the rookie picks, this team is probably not my favorite in Active. He definitely has a chance to compete though.
The bolded phrase says it all. Some teams will suffer catastrophic busts while others reap the rewards of late round sleepers breaking out. So while it's fun to rank the teams, the reality is that it's all but impossible to predict where these squads will finish 1, 2, or 3 years down the line. That said, it's fun to see all the different approaches unfold over the course of the draft and it will be interesting to look back on this 2-3 years from now and see which strategies were the most successful. One of the things I love about this hobby is the ability to develop a theory and test it on the field. People don't have to agree with your methods, but no one can argue with results.'Odds on favorite' is a bit strong, but he does have a good team. Injuries, trades, good WW pickups of surprise players, surprise years (good and bad) of his and our players, and just plain head-to-head luck can change everything.
Oh, and I plan to win the conference BTW.
Lots of interesting commentary on the specifics of the draft and drafting philosophy. I will do a combination of breaking down my own squad and continuing some philosophy talk especially as it pertains to HA3. Inherently, anything I say will be a critique others views, but it is not meant as personal attack your way of doing things versus the way I see best.Overview: Besides being a PPR league, the one thing someone must consider is the experience of the owners in a league like this. All of the owners are good FF players who play in multiple leagues, so to compete year in and year out, a participant is going to have to be good at all aspects: drafting, trading, waiver wire and managing your roster. Also, in HA3, most of the owners have experience the HyperActive format. In short, just having a good draft or knowing you are great at working the WW, or leaning on you ability to trade is not enough for this one as any mistakes made or holes in your FF game can hurt in the near and long term both.
Barring a trade that I need to explain, I will withhold commentary on picks until the draft is near the end.
9-3 Division Champs with a regular season win over a certain JohnnyU.In hindsight, I committed a few robberies in this draft:
I took Donnie Avery and Malcolm Kelly high, but it was Eddie Royal in the 17th round who ended up being the huge steal. You always know some rookies are going to break out. You just never quite know which ones. If you take all of them, you leave nothing up to chance.I also made some bad picks, but we won't talk about those.
So how'd benching that 1.5 pick work for you when it mattered most (in the playoffs)?9-3 Division Champs with a regular season win over a certain JohnnyU.In hindsight, I committed a few robberies in this draft:
17.07 - Eddie Royal WR85
18.06 - Devin Hester WR88
21.07 - Antonio Bryant WR98
I think I summed it up nicely:
I took Donnie Avery and Malcolm Kelly high, but it was Eddie Royal in the 17th round who ended up being the huge steal. You always know some rookies are going to break out. You just never quite know which ones. If you take all of them, you leave nothing up to chance.I also made some bad picks, but we won't talk about those.
Also, kudos to Team Legacy and Football Jones for landing some huge RB steals in this draft.
Team lead me to one game from the HYPERACTIVE3 SUPERBOWL.Yes it was a very very YOUNG team, but i had some nice draft day steals looking back on it now.
Definitely a bad decision, but I wouldn't have won either way.So how'd benching that 1.5 pick work for you when it mattered most (in the playoffs)?
Fate.. it would seem has a sense of humor... doesn't it?Yea, I hope you have your tissues ready.
Wow, prophetic. Next time, set your sights one game higher!'Odds on favorite' is a bit strong, but he does have a good team. Injuries, trades, good WW pickups of surprise players, surprise years (good and bad) of his and our players, and just plain head-to-head luck can change everything. Oh, and I plan to win the conference BTW.
Yeah, it was kind of prophetic wasn't it. I forgot I had said that.If I set my sights too high, I can either match expectations or be disappointed.Wow, prophetic. Next time, set your sights one game higher!'Odds on favorite' is a bit strong, but he does have a good team. Injuries, trades, good WW pickups of surprise players, surprise years (good and bad) of his and our players, and just plain head-to-head luck can change everything. Oh, and I plan to win the conference BTW.
start hiding draft picks ...
Oops - Drew 10x > Bush, AJ a complete stud and Mendehall 10x>B-Edwards
YOUCH! Things can take a quick turn in a dynasty league as seen here.This draft was in 2008. 2 years later this team could be in deep trouble not knowing how his offseasons have been the last 2 years.LT and LJ both near deadHolt near deadCotchery not so goodA-Gonzo coming off ACL injuryDriver still rocking but near dead in ageTony Gonz still a rocking but also near dead
Made the playoffs in year 1, obviously hoping for the title, that didn't happen but I was well aware that I would need to rebuild immediately after the first season, so that's what I've been doing. I'll be horrible this season but I have multiple 1st and 2nd rounders in next 2 drafts (2011 and 2012) and a very young team so my draft picks should be nice.
I'm hoping a couple of the young WR's I have will turn into stars and I'll have a great nucleus to move forward with.
