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I'd rather have Samuel Giguere. The kid is a more athletic Brandon Stokely.
Anthony Borbely
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Garcon has NFL skills, speed and athletic ability, but he played against weak competition (and dominated) and it remains to be seen how he handles the steep increase in competition. The Colts seem to be a good fit for him.
I believe he played in the Texas vs. the Nation game so Bloom and the boys probably know more about him. From the little I've seen, he is as good as any of the other late round WRs. I like to take chances on players like this who have some skills but played in a lower division. He has the speed and body to play. It's just a matter of translating the abilities from division 3 to the NFL. It's a big jump and some players can't handle it.
I believe he played in the Texas vs. the Nation game so Bloom and the boys probably know more about him. From the little I've seen, he is as good as any of the other late round WRs. I like to take chances on players like this who have some skills but played in a lower division. He has the speed and body to play. It's just a matter of translating the abilities from division 3 to the NFL. It's a big jump and some players can't handle it.
Couch Potato
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Pierre Garcon? Ah, oui!
Quatre ans joueur qui combattit en 51 matchs à Norwich (Vt) et du Mont-Union… joué une année à Norwich avant de les transférer au mont Union sophomore… a été combiné 246-4380, 60 TDs de réception et de 19-176, 4 TDs se précipiter … A été également 20-24.6, 1 TD KOR et 10-10.0 PR… 60 DT réceptions 2e au classement NCAA Division III histoire… est également devenu un sixièmes joueur dans la division III l'histoire à dépasser 4000 mètres… commencé à recevoir 39 de 41 parties en trois saisons avec le Mont Union et conduit l'équipe à deux titres nationaux… ensemble scolaires avec 202 réceptions et 47 réceptions… TD classé 2ème de l'histoire de l'école avec 3363 verges de réception… vu d'action dans 14 des jeux hauts… a été 67-955, 14 TDs de réception et de 19 -176, 4 TDs se précipiter… a été la première équipe All-Ohio Athletic Conference choix et Ed Sherman gagnant d'un prix que la ligue les plus exceptionnels de récepteur pour la deuxième année consécutive… a été 7-119, 1 c. TD Marietta et avait deux-trois le toucher des roues jeux… paru en 15 matchs… que des junior a été 67-1212, 17 TDs de réception et 7-106, 2 TDs se précipiter… 18t a également passer… vu d'action en 12 matchs… comme sophomore a 68-1196, 16 TDs de réception et 10 -- 24,1, 1 TD KOR… est la deuxième équipe d'OAC choix… paru en 10 matchs et a été 44-1017, 13 TDs comme freshman à Norwich… est diplômé en études de communication.
Or, in English...
Four-year player who saw action in 51 games at Norwich (Vt.) and Mount Union…played one year at Norwich before transferring to Mount Union as sophomore…was combined 246-4,380, 60 TDs receiving and 19-176, 4 TDs rushing…also was 20-24.6, 1 TD KOR and 10-10.0 PR…60 TD receptions rank 2nd in NCAA Division III history…also became sixth player in Division III history to surpass 4,000+ yards receiving…started 39 of 41 games in three seasons with Mount Union and led team to two national titles…set school records with 202 receptions and 47 TD receptions…ranked 2nd in school history with 3,363 receiving yards…saw action in 14 games as senior…was 67-955, 14 TDs receiving and 19-176, 4 TDs rushing…was First-Team All-Ohio Athletic Conference choice and Ed Sherman Award winner as league’s most outstanding receiver for second consecutive year…was 7-119, 1 TD vs. Marietta and had two three-touchdown games…appeared in 15 games as junior…was 67-1,212, 17 TDs receiving and 7-106, 2 TDs rushing…also had 18t pass…saw action in 12 games as sophomore…was 68-1,196, 16 TDs receiving and 10-24.1, 1 TD KOR…was Second-Team All-OAC choice…appeared in 10 games and was 44-1,017, 13 TDs as freshman at Norwich…majored in communications studies.
Quatre ans joueur qui combattit en 51 matchs à Norwich (Vt) et du Mont-Union… joué une année à Norwich avant de les transférer au mont Union sophomore… a été combiné 246-4380, 60 TDs de réception et de 19-176, 4 TDs se précipiter … A été également 20-24.6, 1 TD KOR et 10-10.0 PR… 60 DT réceptions 2e au classement NCAA Division III histoire… est également devenu un sixièmes joueur dans la division III l'histoire à dépasser 4000 mètres… commencé à recevoir 39 de 41 parties en trois saisons avec le Mont Union et conduit l'équipe à deux titres nationaux… ensemble scolaires avec 202 réceptions et 47 réceptions… TD classé 2ème de l'histoire de l'école avec 3363 verges de réception… vu d'action dans 14 des jeux hauts… a été 67-955, 14 TDs de réception et de 19 -176, 4 TDs se précipiter… a été la première équipe All-Ohio Athletic Conference choix et Ed Sherman gagnant d'un prix que la ligue les plus exceptionnels de récepteur pour la deuxième année consécutive… a été 7-119, 1 c. TD Marietta et avait deux-trois le toucher des roues jeux… paru en 15 matchs… que des junior a été 67-1212, 17 TDs de réception et 7-106, 2 TDs se précipiter… 18t a également passer… vu d'action en 12 matchs… comme sophomore a 68-1196, 16 TDs de réception et 10 -- 24,1, 1 TD KOR… est la deuxième équipe d'OAC choix… paru en 10 matchs et a été 44-1017, 13 TDs comme freshman à Norwich… est diplômé en études de communication.
Or, in English...
Four-year player who saw action in 51 games at Norwich (Vt.) and Mount Union…played one year at Norwich before transferring to Mount Union as sophomore…was combined 246-4,380, 60 TDs receiving and 19-176, 4 TDs rushing…also was 20-24.6, 1 TD KOR and 10-10.0 PR…60 TD receptions rank 2nd in NCAA Division III history…also became sixth player in Division III history to surpass 4,000+ yards receiving…started 39 of 41 games in three seasons with Mount Union and led team to two national titles…set school records with 202 receptions and 47 TD receptions…ranked 2nd in school history with 3,363 receiving yards…saw action in 14 games as senior…was 67-955, 14 TDs receiving and 19-176, 4 TDs rushing…was First-Team All-Ohio Athletic Conference choice and Ed Sherman Award winner as league’s most outstanding receiver for second consecutive year…was 7-119, 1 TD vs. Marietta and had two three-touchdown games…appeared in 15 games as junior…was 67-1,212, 17 TDs receiving and 7-106, 2 TDs rushing…also had 18t pass…saw action in 12 games as sophomore…was 68-1,196, 16 TDs receiving and 10-24.1, 1 TD KOR…was Second-Team All-OAC choice…appeared in 10 games and was 44-1,017, 13 TDs as freshman at Norwich…majored in communications studies.
Anthony Borbely
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djcolts
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This guy has been impressive so far. I give him a 90% chance of making the team, and I think he can make an impact on the Colts within a couple of years at the WR spot, and possibly this year as a returner. I think he should be the #4 WR on the team - even over Hall and Aromishidou (sp), based on what I've seen. (Hall will make the team because of his ability to be a special teams gunner more than his receiving skills).
Ozymandias
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Possibly the best post ever.
JohnnyU
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Rookie Pierre Garcon appears to have passed Roy Hall as the Colts' fourth receiver.
Hall should be on the club because he covers kicks, but Garcon has shown more as a receiver (seven preseason catches for 74 yards to Hall's four for 31). Garcon's start is remarkable considering he's out of D-III Mount Union.
Source: Indianapolis Star
I believe he could be a fantasy factor in a big way, especially should "God forbid" injuries beset the Colts WRs.
Hall should be on the club because he covers kicks, but Garcon has shown more as a receiver (seven preseason catches for 74 yards to Hall's four for 31). Garcon's start is remarkable considering he's out of D-III Mount Union.
Source: Indianapolis Star
I believe he could be a fantasy factor in a big way, especially should "God forbid" injuries beset the Colts WRs.
From reports thus far, it sounds that way. He's beating out Hall and Collie right now.
djcolts
Footballguy
Beating out Hall, yes. Collie - that is still a race. The problem is that Garcon has better skills as an outside receiver (and apparently a good run-blocking WR), and Collie has better skills as a slot receiver - so it could be that both will be the #3 - but used in different situations.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Alternately:The problem is that Garcon has better skills as an outside receiver (and apparently a good run-blocking WR), and Gonzalez has better skills as a slot receiver - so it could be that both will be on the field in their natural positions in 2010.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
It appears he has a shot at the other wide opposite Wayne
identikit
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Not this year IMODown the road, maybe....I've always seen Gonzo as much better suited for the slot than outside.Garcon looks to be the exact opposite.
Garcon 2008 stats. 4 catches for 23 yards. Need I say more.
RC94
Footballguy
Yes, please say more.
OK I will say more. With Clark (29), Wayne (30) and Gonzo (24) I would not expect Garcon to do much this year or in the foreseable future. If I were drafting in a dynasty league unless it were a very, very deep league I would not draft him.
Quite impressive!I have Garcon on my dynasty league roster as one for the future. From what Cecil and Sig said about him, he sounds like he has a very promising future. The Colts are very good at talent evaluation, especially at WR, so I have a lot of faith in this guy. Yes, rookie WR Austin Collie may have something to say about that, and if we see him taking hold of that WR3 role for the Colts then Garcon may fall by the wayside. I guess it's one of those "watch this space" things.
He came from Mount Union. Transition time is definitely needed.
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
Watch their preseason games. Check back here after those games when Wayne and Gonzo don't play much. You'll see what the buzz is about. If you don't know his number, you'll say who is that. I guess he's higher for dynasty, but in a dynasty you pretty much have to "pretend/assume" their will be 1 WR injury in front of him this seaosn and be on board early.
Although it does sound like Collie isn't giving this job to him. These guys can both be had cheap in a redraft, dynasty they are long gone.
The '2009 Sleepers & breakout players' thread (post #52) has a nice little vid of Garcon in action at OTAs and some quotes from Caldwell. Both these guys are sleeping giants longterm.
Although it does sound like Collie isn't giving this job to him. These guys can both be had cheap in a redraft, dynasty they are long gone.
The '2009 Sleepers & breakout players' thread (post #52) has a nice little vid of Garcon in action at OTAs and some quotes from Caldwell. Both these guys are sleeping giants longterm.
He generated a lot of buzz last year in training camp. From what I've gathered, the Colts are still very high on him. I wouldn't touch him in redraft though. Not much upside this year though when Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, and Donald Brown/Joseph Addai will all be targeted ahead of him.
He does have potential in dynasty, but as a previous poster said, the Colts other receivers/tight ends aren't that old so he may be at most the 4th option in the passing game for several seasons. By the time he becomes a starter (if he ever becomes one), Manning will nearing the end of his career.
He does have potential in dynasty, but as a previous poster said, the Colts other receivers/tight ends aren't that old so he may be at most the 4th option in the passing game for several seasons. By the time he becomes a starter (if he ever becomes one), Manning will nearing the end of his career.
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Couch Potato
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I don't have a lot of love for Garcon (dontcha just want to say 'Garcon! Check please!' when you say that name?).
As others have stated, he's 4th in the pecking order among WRs/TEs, plus they throw to the RBs a lot.
And that's this year. I think next year, with a season of, well, seasoning, Collie passes him.
Adieu mes amis!
As others have stated, he's 4th in the pecking order among WRs/TEs, plus they throw to the RBs a lot.
And that's this year. I think next year, with a season of, well, seasoning, Collie passes him.
Adieu mes amis!
In dynasty, I'd defintely take Garcon ahead of Collie. Garcon has #2 WR potential, Collie is unlikely to ever be more then a slot WR. There hasn't been much production from the Colts #3 WR other then that one season from Brandon Stokley.Couch Potato said:
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FUBAR
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In a deep redraft, I like drafting (late) WRs who are behind decent players with a stud QB. Lance Moore is just one example of what can happen when you have a great QB and that WR gets an opportunity.
pizzatyme
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Great post! The thing to remember is that he is one play away from catching passes from Manning in a potent passing offense.I've seen him in practice and I see Colston. I would not be surprised to see the Colts use some spread offense this year with 4 WRs and Clark. Garcon and Collie are much better than any Dime DBs out there.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Physically he's built like Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin - roughly splitting the difference between them. But where most guys with that thick build don't have crazy speed, Garcon does. Especially when you factor in the consistently glowing reports from the GM and coach, his upside is well beyond what he's getting credit for right now IMO.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Interesting comments from Manning:
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Jerry Lawler
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I was really impressed last pre-season with Garcon's ability to shield the defender and go after the ball in traffic. In addition, reports on Garcon have certainly been positive this off-season, so he should be on your radar. In fact, my guess would be he would start at WR if one of the starters got injured, due in part to his experience with the system and very good blocking skills.
However, I have a few concerns about his dynasty value:
1) Polian spent a 4th round pick on Collie. Typically, Indy doesn't spend those picks on a guy who projects to be no higher than 4th on the depth chart for the next several years. This suggests that Garcon is far from chiseled in stone as 3rd on the depth chart.
2) Polian has always surrounded Manning with 1st round talent at the skill positions. While Garcon could impress enough to earn a spot in this offense, it's more likely that if Reggie Wayne begins to slow down, he will be replaced by another 1st round draft pick.
3) It will be tough to earn regular playing time as a third receiver. The Colts will probably use Dallas Clark in the slot quite a bit because his versatility is so useful in the no-huddle offense.
The pre-season should be telling. If Garcon continues to impress in a way that demands a significant long-term role in the offense, he could crash the party and put up some good numbers the way undrafted Marcus Pollard did at TE for the Colts.
However, I have a few concerns about his dynasty value:
1) Polian spent a 4th round pick on Collie. Typically, Indy doesn't spend those picks on a guy who projects to be no higher than 4th on the depth chart for the next several years. This suggests that Garcon is far from chiseled in stone as 3rd on the depth chart.
2) Polian has always surrounded Manning with 1st round talent at the skill positions. While Garcon could impress enough to earn a spot in this offense, it's more likely that if Reggie Wayne begins to slow down, he will be replaced by another 1st round draft pick.
3) It will be tough to earn regular playing time as a third receiver. The Colts will probably use Dallas Clark in the slot quite a bit because his versatility is so useful in the no-huddle offense.
The pre-season should be telling. If Garcon continues to impress in a way that demands a significant long-term role in the offense, he could crash the party and put up some good numbers the way undrafted Marcus Pollard did at TE for the Colts.
RC94
Footballguy
What do his 2008 stats have to do with that? You don't think a young player from a DIII school can improve? In the past the #3 WR for IND has been pretty productive, especially as far as #3 WRs go so if he wins that job he will do something this year. Quoting his 2008 stats as an argument that he won't ever do anything doesn't make any sense.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
More from Manning on Garcon:
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identikit
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FWIW, Peter King says this about Garcon (via twitter):
'Two things to watch at Colt camp: WR Pierre Garcon, leading in the race to replace MHarrison; and a more active, blitzing D. Pierre's good.
If Garcon wins the WR spot vacated by Harrison, Gonzo moves inside to play slot. If Collie outplays Garcon, Collie in slot, Gonzo outside.'
'Two things to watch at Colt camp: WR Pierre Garcon, leading in the race to replace MHarrison; and a more active, blitzing D. Pierre's good.
If Garcon wins the WR spot vacated by Harrison, Gonzo moves inside to play slot. If Collie outplays Garcon, Collie in slot, Gonzo outside.'
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lyon812
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Garcon's one of those guys I've been sure to pick up in all of my leagues. He's fast, hardworking, has good hands, and is physical and a tough blocker.
I think that Gonzalez-Wayne-Clark will definitely receive the lion's share of targets. Collie and Garcon's value is that they're backups on a great offense. However, they're not really competing against each other; Collie's been getting tons of slot reps, Garcon a lot of outside, and I'm sure that Indy's coaching staff is thrilled at being able to run out a bunch of talented receivers. They don't mind moving people around; even Wayne's seen a lot of slot work in 3WR sets.
Long term, though, I think Garcon has an advantage over Collie in that Garcon profiles as a #2 outside receiver, while Collie seems at this point to be slot-bound.
I think that Gonzalez-Wayne-Clark will definitely receive the lion's share of targets. Collie and Garcon's value is that they're backups on a great offense. However, they're not really competing against each other; Collie's been getting tons of slot reps, Garcon a lot of outside, and I'm sure that Indy's coaching staff is thrilled at being able to run out a bunch of talented receivers. They don't mind moving people around; even Wayne's seen a lot of slot work in 3WR sets.
Long term, though, I think Garcon has an advantage over Collie in that Garcon profiles as a #2 outside receiver, while Collie seems at this point to be slot-bound.
I agree with this. He and Collie will be the #3 and #4, though I can't say which will be which. he returns kicks well, so slight bump for Garcon. I heard he is looking and feeling way more confident in his routes, etc. this camp. Someone mentioned he looks like he's "gliding", which was meant as a good thing, smooth and fast. We'll see.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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IMO it's really shaping up for a Wayne, Gonzo, Garcon WR corps for this year now, not just 2010.
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djcolts
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I think Garcon will be #3a, and Collie #3b - depending on matchups from week to week. Probably a fantasy nightmare to predict whether a Wayne/Garcon/Gonzalez or a Wayne/Gonzalez/Collie would be a better fit from week to week. However, Garcon will be more valuable than Collie as a fantasy "hedge" (don't make me type the word - knock on wood) to Wayne/Gonzalez - so he has more fantasy value than Collie.
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
Showcase games on these guys coming up this week. Gonzo, Clark, Hall all sitting out of this weeks game. Gonzo has slight hammy. Too bad we'll probably be seeing the Colts QB3 throwing to them most of the time. Isn't Sorgi out and Manning shouldn't be in long. Either way, if all goes well, expect the buzz to amp up on both these guys as they go public for the first time.
Heard this on the Eddie and Kravitz show on 1070 the fan today and thought I'd pass it along.
Peter King is reporting that he believes Anthony Gonzalez is in the fight of his life (with Garcon) for the #2 WR spot. Kravitz and Eddie weren't sure what to make of it since they thought Gonzo had the #2 spot locked up, but thought there might be some validity to it since they view King as something who is right most of the time and isn't someone who throws crap on the wall hoping it sticks.
Not sure what to take of this since Garcon hasn't exactly lit it up in the preseason (problems with drops).
Peter King is reporting that he believes Anthony Gonzalez is in the fight of his life (with Garcon) for the #2 WR spot. Kravitz and Eddie weren't sure what to make of it since they thought Gonzo had the #2 spot locked up, but thought there might be some validity to it since they view King as something who is right most of the time and isn't someone who throws crap on the wall hoping it sticks.
Not sure what to take of this since Garcon hasn't exactly lit it up in the preseason (problems with drops).
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Found the exact quote.
"6. I think the most significant single play of the weekend could well have been the right-in-his-hands drop by Colts wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez late in the first half at Detroit. The Colts are trying to give Gonzalez one of two jobs -- Marvin Harrison's right wide-receiver spot, or the slot receiver job. But Peyton Manning and offensive coordinator Tom Moore are waiting for Gonzalez to raise his game and grab one of the jobs. After the Gonzalez drop, Manning threw six more passes, none to Gonzalez, and Dallas Clark was back in the slot, his comfort zone with Manning.
Manning's going to throw to players he trusts, and with Gonzalez dropping a ball like that one -- and not making enough plays otherwise in the preseason -- he could well make Manning lean on Clark and rookie Austin Collie more inside, and Pierre Garcon outside. That really solves all your fantasy problems with the Colts, doesn't it?"
-Peter King
link below
hxxp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/30/mmqb/3.html
Seems like a little overblown by the 1070 guys.
"6. I think the most significant single play of the weekend could well have been the right-in-his-hands drop by Colts wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez late in the first half at Detroit. The Colts are trying to give Gonzalez one of two jobs -- Marvin Harrison's right wide-receiver spot, or the slot receiver job. But Peyton Manning and offensive coordinator Tom Moore are waiting for Gonzalez to raise his game and grab one of the jobs. After the Gonzalez drop, Manning threw six more passes, none to Gonzalez, and Dallas Clark was back in the slot, his comfort zone with Manning.
Manning's going to throw to players he trusts, and with Gonzalez dropping a ball like that one -- and not making enough plays otherwise in the preseason -- he could well make Manning lean on Clark and rookie Austin Collie more inside, and Pierre Garcon outside. That really solves all your fantasy problems with the Colts, doesn't it?"
-Peter King
link below
hxxp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/30/mmqb/3.html
Seems like a little overblown by the 1070 guys.
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baconisgood
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If Garcon takes the #2 I would expect that its about fit first for the team. Gonzo in the slot + Garcon on the outside could be viewed as better than Gonzo on the outside and Roille in the slot. If thats the case I would expect Gonzo to still get lots of work at the #2 spot in 2 WR sets but with Garcon taking more snaps than would have been expected otherwise and then gonzo going into the slot in 3 wr sets.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I doubt this has much to do with a drop - all WRs drop balls, and A Gonzo hasn't really had a big problem with them or anything. But IIRC King was in Indy for a whole week not long ago. So this could still be accurate reporting.
I've thought (and said) all along that Garcon is a better fit out wide than Gonzalez and that the real battle might be Gonzo vs Collie for time in the slot. It wouldn't be the least bit surprising to see Garcon and Wayne wide IMO.
I've thought (and said) all along that Garcon is a better fit out wide than Gonzalez and that the real battle might be Gonzo vs Collie for time in the slot. It wouldn't be the least bit surprising to see Garcon and Wayne wide IMO.
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Marcumzilla
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I wouldn't be too hasty to relegate Gonzo to the slot for life. He's good there (IIRC 73% 2008 catch rate), but he's faster than people give him credit for (if I had a nickle for every time he was called "deceptively quick"...), and a good route runner. He's ~4.4 40 yard dash and very fast in the 3-cone drill.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved around a lot, but in for virtually all of the snaps.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved around a lot, but in for virtually all of the snaps.
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