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Andy Dufresne
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
In terms of opportunities, it'll likely go like this:
1. Brandon Marshall
2. Tony Scheffler
3. Brandon Stokley
4. Everyone else
1. Brandon Marshall
2. Tony Scheffler
3. Brandon Stokley
4. Everyone else
Buffaloes
Footballguy
I've been reading good things about him in camp...but I think the only way he crack sthe starting 2 is if Marshall is suspended for a good amount of time and he gets in there after the season starts. I don't see Denver starting a smallish rookie WR week 1...especially when they are probably going to rely on his fresh legs as a returner.
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Interesting. I read on a training camp report from yesterday that Sheff is running with the 3's and 4's. They said he is not really cutting well and that may be the reason at this point. Really a lot of his routes are running straight out at this point.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Unless DJax's skills are diminished due to his injuries, he is better than Colbert.
It's a tossup between Jackson and Stokely. Stokely has had a rather pedestrian career, outside of 1 strong season as the WR3 in Indy when Peyton had a monster year. Jackson has had success (WR36 or better) in 6 of 8 seasons.... I would draft Jackson as the somewhat higher upside guy, but neither is going to light the world on fire.
I was surprised to find that Stokely is 2 1/2 years older than Jackson.
It's a tossup between Jackson and Stokely. Stokely has had a rather pedestrian career, outside of 1 strong season as the WR3 in Indy when Peyton had a monster year. Jackson has had success (WR36 or better) in 6 of 8 seasons.... I would draft Jackson as the somewhat higher upside guy, but neither is going to light the world on fire.
I was surprised to find that Stokely is 2 1/2 years older than Jackson.
You shouldn't be...Jackson's days as a productive WR are over.
zadok
Footballguy
Because of 1 year in the hellhole known as San Fran? Don't think so, hoss.
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a_troll00
Footballguy
Paying attention to the Broncos' training camp, Colbert's name has been popping up a lot recently for making plays in camp. I thought DJax would be the man here, but reports are he's looking really sloppy.
As of right now, if you're looking to choose between Colbert and DJax... Colbert is the guy to go with... for right now.
Stokely will still be the slot receiver, and keep an eye on Royal.
As of right now, if you're looking to choose between Colbert and DJax... Colbert is the guy to go with... for right now.
Stokely will still be the slot receiver, and keep an eye on Royal.
B Maverick
Footballguy
All the reports I have read are saying that Colbert is looking good and the front runner for the #2 spot opposite Marshall with Stokley as #3 in the slot. If Marshall is suspended then DJax moves up. Royal is also looking good.Below are some from FF Mastermind....***-- Broncos Practice Notes --Fri Aug 1, 2008 --from FFMastermind.comThe Denver Post reports several Bronco receivers proved that WR Brandon Marshall isn't the team's only big-play receiver. WR Keary Colbert wrestled a pass away from CB Champ Bailey, WR Brandon Stokley used his finger tips to snag a pass from QB Patrick Ramsey that was a little off target. Still it was TE Brad Pierce who made the play of the day, making a diving catch on a pass over the middle from QB Jay Cutler, and beating starting OLB Boss Bailey in the process. -- Broncos Practice Notes --Fri Aug 1, 2008 --from FFMastermind.comThe Denver Post reports several Bronco receivers proved that WR Brandon Marshall isn't the team's only big-play receiver. WR Keary Colbert wrestled a pass away from CB Champ Bailey, WR Brandon Stokley used his finger tips to snag a pass from QB Patrick Ramsey that was a little off target. Still it was TE Brad Pierce who made the play of the day, making a diving catch on a pass over the middle from QB Jay Cutler, and beating starting OLB Boss Bailey in the process. -- Eddie Royal Impressing as a Receiver --Thu Jul 31, 2008 --from FFMastermind.comAP reports Denver Broncos second-round draft pick WR/PR/KR Eddie Royal was drafted primarily for his flashy ability on kick returns. But he is showing he can catch a little bit as well, making one remarkable reception after another at training camp. Royal has caught the eye of HC Mike Shanahan, who boasted about Royal's receiving skills after morning practice Wednesday. The Virginia Tech standout hardly let a ball hit the turf, even snaring a 45-yard strike from Jay Cutler in the middle of traffic. "He's been very impressive, Shanahan" said. "He's got a burning desire to make the starting lineup." Earning a starting job doesn't seem likely at receiver, where the Broncos are loaded, even with the recent retirement of WR Rod Smith. The team has WR Brandon Marshall as its top target, and established wideouts Keary Colbert, Darrell Jackson and Samie Parker competing for the other spot. WR Brandon Stokley is already entrenched at slot receiver, a position he's excelled at throughout his career. Yet Royal's making a strong push for playing time, even earning praise from the defensive backs he's burning on a consistent basis. "I'm very impressed," CB Dre Bly said. "He's asking me constantly what things he needs to work on to improve his game." Royal's emergence could help ease the burden should Marshall draw a suspension from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for his off-the-field legal troubles. A decision is expected soon. The talented but troubled Marshall is also recovering from a right arm injury in which he cut an artery, vein, nerve, two tendons and three muscles in an accident at a resort in Orlando, Fla., in March. He said Wednesday as he ran off the field that camp is going well for him.-- Darrell Jackson has Bad Day --Wed Jul 30, 2008 --from FFMastermind.comThe Rocky Mountain News reports Denver Broncos WR Darrell Jackson struggled on Monday. Jackson twice fumbled the ball on reverses, had his helmet knocked off by CB Karl Paymah and, after missing an assignment, was chewed out by passing-game coordinator Jeremy Bates.-- D-Jax Running with First Unit --Mon Jul 28, 2008 --from FFMastermind.comThe Denver Post reports Broncos WR Darrell Jackson has been practicing with the first team in the first week of camp. Without WR Brandon Marshall (arm), who could be suspended, Jackson and WR Keary Colbert would be the likely starters, with WR Brandon Stokley as the No. 3 wideout, for the Sept. 8 season opener against Oakland. -- Royal Could Benefit from Marshall Suspension --Mon Jul 28, 2008 --from FFMastermind.comThe Denver Post reports any void left by Broncos No. 1 WR Brandon Marshall could make room for second-round draft pick WR Eddie Royal to play right away. Royal has practiced with the second-team offense and is hoping to prove he's more than just a returner. He had 33 catches, including four for touchdowns, in his senior year at Virginia Tech
From the camp reports I have been reading daily for Denver it looks like Jackson is running a lot at the #2 receiver slot. But the number 2 receiver may not finish number two for targets and catches in Denver given a strong slot guy in Stockley and Cutlers man love for Sheff.
zadok
Footballguy
Colbert couldn't even get quality playing time in Carolina. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that once the season begins, Shanny will rely on the proven vets; Jackson at WR and Pittman at RB.
Not to say they will be the top producers, but they won't be riding the pine.
Not to say they will be the top producers, but they won't be riding the pine.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
At the ripe old age of 29?
a_troll00
Footballguy
Shannahan isn't a coach that gives privilege to veterans. Players have to earn time on the field by performing at practice. He even cuts veterans who are not looking good in camp. The only news about DJax so far is he looks sloppy. That's not going to get him very far up the org chart.
Has nothing to do with age
Beaumont
Footballguy
This is what they say on Broncomania ...
gianmarco
Footballguy
So do you think his talent level has decreased or is it health-related?
Brutis
Footballguy
I think both. I have no faith in Djax emerging as the #2 wr in denver, I would much rather take a chance on colbert. Just going with my gut on this one.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Health MAY be an issue, but he did pass his team physical and I don't think health was an issue for him last year in SF. SF was just an absolute disaster of historical proportions on the offensive side. So, the only thing I would take from last year was that DJax was actually healthy enough to suit up. While it's the most recent body of evidence, I'll use his previous productive years as a better measure of his talent until he shows something different. The guy has been capable of putting up very nice #'s and has the opportunity to do so in a much better offense than what he was in last year.
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Scheff wasn't cutting well LAST YEAR. He didn't run a single hard-cut route all year- it was mostly seams and screens. That's why his ypc was waaaaaaaaay down from the year before. From what I hear, the latest stabilizing pin has had a dramatic impact, and he's able to cut again. Also, Scheff being behind Jackson has everything to do with blocking and nothing to do with receiving- when the team wants to throw to a TE, Scheffler's going to be that TE.
I'm a big Jackson fan, but that doesn't matter- Mike Shanahan is a big Colbert fan. He *WANTS* Colbert to succeed. He's rooting for Colbert to succeed. When in doubt, I always feel a little more confident pulling for the guy with the coach in his corner.By the way, the reason why Shanahan is a Colbert fan is all about the blocking. Shanahan wants to give Colbert scads of playing time, because Colbert is far more physical than D-Jax.
54/1084/7, WR23.
joffer
Footballguy
you've got my attention. how long has Shanahan been in Colbert's corner? before camp? OTA?
Good response SSOG. I think the deciding factor on how well Darrell Jackson will do this year is based on how well Keary Colbert does. As Colbert's play increases, Jackson's play will likely decrease. Stokely will likely be around all season, but I don't think he'll have a big impact in the offense. Interesting scenario with Denver, which also stems back to Brandon Marshall's status and impending fate with a suspension or not.
yeah, cause that was what, 20, 30 years ago?
No just 8. McCaffery broke his leg on September 10, 2001. I remember that because it was the day befor 9-11. His last productive season was in 2000 thus not 20 or 30 years ago, just 8.
kevinallen
Footballguy
Jackson had a significant amount of more targets than any of these players (Colbert, Stokley, Scheffler) last year, and that was playing in one of the worst passing offenses that the NFL has seen this decade. So to say that he cant be a productive WR anymore, is, to say the least, highly inaccurate. Of course targets dont equate to success, but given some quality QB play, a competent offense, and you could easily see his numbers double this year in Denver.
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From what I hear, Shanahan has been behind Colbert since the signing. Colbert is a strong receiver who is unafraid to mix it up, and Shanahan loves him some blocking. D-Jax is the better receiver, from what I've seen, but I suspect that Shanahan thinks it'd be easier to teach Colbert to catch than it would be to teach D-Jax to block.I don't know if Colbert is going to catch on and become a viable target, because he's been really, really bad since he came into the league. I just believe that the coaches would rather see Colbert step up than Jackson.joffer said:
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I read Scheffler reinjured the foot today.
Where? Not saying it didn't happen, just saying I haven't heard so much as a peep about it.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
a_troll00
Footballguy
There hasn't been a peep about it in Denver media outlets. I'm assuming they're talking about the setback he suffered during OTAs.I'll trust local Denver media a lot more than kffl.
Agreed. The nice thing about Denver is that they're one of the few teams that has two major papers covering them. The competition leads to media coverage in Denver being among the best in the nation- as evidenced by the upward mobility of all the Denver writers (Adam Schefter, Woody Paige, Bill Williamson, etc) to the national stage. I'm not saying that, if the media's not reporting it, then it didn't happen... but if the media's not reporting it, then it probably didn't happen. JMO.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Bad writing.... "In May, TE Tony re-injured the same foot that kept him out of 5 weeks in 2007..." should be how it reads.If it just happened, it would also read "whick OPENS the door for veteran Daniel Graham."Not a new injury.
I don't feel like searchin' but I've had my eye on Colbert. For Denver stuff, around here I pay attention to the Bronco diehards, of course. I recall you weren't high on him at all. (Also Cecil didn't seem to be during that last show either)What bugged me about that is I've read good things. That didn't add up. SSOG, this seems like you're starting to come around on Keary. Also, to correct one of your last points, Keary was a pretty decent rookie WR then "fell off the face of the earth". I wanna guess 700 yards as a rook. IMO at least Shanny's pet project this year has accomplished something at the NFL level.
I'm still not super high on him, but he makes a decent late flier. I grabbed him in the 22nd of the FBGs survivor draft. I still don't know if he'll succeed, because he's never been a good receiver, I just know the coaches WANT him to succeed, and plenty of worse players have held fantasy value just because their coaches wanted them to succeed.As far as Colbert as a rookie goes... eh. 51% catch%, -3.4 DVOA (ranked 52nd in the NFL). His total stats look solid, but his rate stats could be described as "mediocre" if you were feeling generous. Which is fine, since that's all you really expect out of a rookie, but it's not like he was a solid contributor or that point. Anything you say about him has to have the "...for a rookie" caveat added.I look forward to hearing more about him from camp. At the moment, the media has been pretty silent on him, which suggests he's not doing that well. Maybe not doing poorly, but definitely not great.
I think this is a strong possibility. Unlike Colbert, I've been hearing a LOT of good things about Royal. His camp so far reminds me of the last return man Denver drafted- the late Darrent Williams, a guy drafted to be a returner but who gave up returns midway through the year because he was too valuable as a starter, instead. I doubt Royal would give up return duties, I'm just saying that's the kind of early hype I've been hearing.
moleculo
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
I say Djax - based on nothing but gut.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
So far in camp the story has been Eddie Royal. He could win the #2 job easily. Stokley is awesome, but best used as a #3.
Darrell Jackson has been disappointing so far. He's not getting much, if any, separation on his routes. Man up on DJax and he's covered. Being a veteran he knows how to find the soft spots in the zone. Colbert isn't doing much better, but he has done better.
Darrell Jackson has been disappointing so far. He's not getting much, if any, separation on his routes. Man up on DJax and he's covered. Being a veteran he knows how to find the soft spots in the zone. Colbert isn't doing much better, but he has done better.
