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ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means.

Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:confused: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :thumbup:
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Which sounds a lot like what the allegations were riding on in the first place, but since those were explained due to previous relationships between all involved, I guess we're left with a whole lot of nothing and allegations that went unfounded. Here's my latest on the situation: Favre to Tampa. That's it. I don't see him moving back to the Vikes because Tampa is truly interested in him. I think he plays for one more season in Tampa, and beats Green Bay handidly in week 4. Green Bay out of the playoffs this year, Tampa in again.
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If Favre initated the phone calls, who is tampering?
 
bubba191919 said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means.

Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:lmao: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :lmao:
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Which sounds a lot like what the allegations were riding on in the first place, but since those were explained due to previous relationships between all involved, I guess we're left with a whole lot of nothing and allegations that went unfounded. Here's my latest on the situation: Favre to Tampa. That's it. I don't see him moving back to the Vikes because Tampa is truly interested in him. I think he plays for one more season in Tampa, and beats Green Bay handidly in week 4. Green Bay out of the playoffs this year, Tampa in again.
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If Favre initated the phone calls, who is tampering?
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Even if Favre initiates, if the team allows a phone conversation to continue about him coming to play for them, they're tampering.
 
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(Did you try to patch things up between Brett and Ted?) Well, we had talked about a number of things. We talked about everything throughout our time last night, and actually, he went down and spent some time with Ted. He spoke to Ted for about an hour, and then he came back, we had Sammy's pizza. Give Sammy's a little plug, about 10 o'clock, and we spoke again for about another hour. My understanding is him and Ted had a very healthy, honest conversation also.
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They have Sammy's Pizza in Wisconsin? I thought it was just California and Nevada, and maybe Arizona.:yum:
 
Tatum Bell said:
bubba191919 said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means.

Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:lmao: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :lmao:
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Which sounds a lot like what the allegations were riding on in the first place, but since those were explained due to previous relationships between all involved, I guess we're left with a whole lot of nothing and allegations that went unfounded. Here's my latest on the situation: Favre to Tampa. That's it. I don't see him moving back to the Vikes because Tampa is truly interested in him. I think he plays for one more season in Tampa, and beats Green Bay handidly in week 4. Green Bay out of the playoffs this year, Tampa in again.
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If Favre initated the phone calls, who is tampering?
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Even if Favre initiates, if the team allows a phone conversation to continue about him coming to play for them, they're tampering.
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Not if the Packers say it's OK.
 
ConstruxBoy said:
Tatum Bell said:
bubba191919 said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means.

Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:moneybag: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :moneybag:
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Which sounds a lot like what the allegations were riding on in the first place, but since those were explained due to previous relationships between all involved, I guess we're left with a whole lot of nothing and allegations that went unfounded. Here's my latest on the situation: Favre to Tampa. That's it. I don't see him moving back to the Vikes because Tampa is truly interested in him. I think he plays for one more season in Tampa, and beats Green Bay handidly in week 4. Green Bay out of the playoffs this year, Tampa in again.
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If Favre initated the phone calls, who is tampering?
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Even if Favre initiates, if the team allows a phone conversation to continue about him coming to play for them, they're tampering.
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Not if the Packers say it's OK.
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Right . . . except they didn't say it was ok with Minnesota.
 
Tatum Bell said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Tatum Bell said:
bubba191919 said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means.

Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:moneybag: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :moneybag:
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Which sounds a lot like what the allegations were riding on in the first place, but since those were explained due to previous relationships between all involved, I guess we're left with a whole lot of nothing and allegations that went unfounded. Here's my latest on the situation: Favre to Tampa. That's it. I don't see him moving back to the Vikes because Tampa is truly interested in him. I think he plays for one more season in Tampa, and beats Green Bay handidly in week 4. Green Bay out of the playoffs this year, Tampa in again.
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If Favre initated the phone calls, who is tampering?
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Even if Favre initiates, if the team allows a phone conversation to continue about him coming to play for them, they're tampering.
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Not if the Packers say it's OK.
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Right . . . except they didn't say it was ok with Minnesota.
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Of course they didn't. But they want to trade him to Tampa. Are you trying to tell me that when teams tell a player to work out a trade with teams X, Y, and Z, that those teams are guilty of tampering? Really?

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Tatum Bell said:
Right . . . except they didn't say it was ok with Minnesota.
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Of course they didn't. But they want to trade him to Tampa. Are you trying to tell me that when teams tell a player to work out a trade with teams X, Y, and Z, that those teams are guilty of tampering? Really?
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What are you even talking about? I'm talking about the tampering charge with the Vikings here. That's what was being discussed regarding tampering. Keep your Tampa discussion out of here.

 
Lets move past the tampering issue...So, if the Vikes want Favre and offer a better deal than the Jets or Bucs, why shouldn't they be able to make the deal?

 
bubba191919 said:
So, if the Vikes want Favre and offer a better deal than the Jets or Bucs, why shouldn't they be able to make the deal?
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If 10 or 50 NFL players "retire", and then want to come back to orchestrate trades to one specific team, and can orchestrate that by way of trading "through" some other team, why shouldn't they be able to make those deals? At what point do the teams and the league balk and say it's undermining the league itself? If one guy can do it, why can't all of them?
 
Tatum Bell said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means. Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:unsure: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :cry:
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Childress and Favre talked on the phone a couple days after the Pack put the wood to the Vikings 34-0 and Childess gave him a hard time about a gray haired QB beating up on his team. This happened, so to say that they had "no prior connections" is not true. Two guys on different sides who can joke about a whipping like that right after it happens have some kind of relationship that goes beyond the norm.
 
IN all of the he-said, she-said, and what QB is better we've kind of neglected one facet of this thing in our "talks".

For anybody who's ever been a "boss", who's ever had employees working for you....

Would you let any of them bad-mouth you constantly, calling you a liar nultiple times in the press, questioning your every move IN PUBLIC (basicly implying you're not fit for the job)???????

Brett Favre has done all of these things with TT...BEFORE HE EVER RETIRED, and several times since. Then, some of us want to turn around and jump all over TT (the boss) for not welcoming him back with open arms?

I simply can't wrap my head around this. Many of you think TT did lie to BF over the last several months. I don't believe so, but what if he did? I mean, the biggest lie, IMO, was "I'm retiring".

Accuse TT of bungling all you want, BF was attacking TT long before all of this, and usually he was wrong. Maybe TT does have too big an ego.....but I honestly believe that there aren't too many successful businesmen in any industry that would allow an employee no matter how established, popular, or talented, to undermine them like that on a consistant basis. Why should TT have to put up with that? BF is an icon, but he's still a player, not an owner, not a GM.

IE: Even if half of what BF has said about TT over the past 6 weeks were true, it would change NOTHING in the face of this reality, and I find it very hard to fault TT for not welcoming BF back with open arms. From this perspective, BF has nobody to blame but BF.

 
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fatness said:
bubba191919 said:
So, if the Vikes want Favre and offer a better deal than the Jets or Bucs, why shouldn't they be able to make the deal?
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If 10 or 50 NFL players "retire", and then want to come back to orchestrate trades to one specific team, and can orchestrate that by way of trading "through" some other team, why shouldn't they be able to make those deals? At what point do the teams and the league balk and say it's undermining the league itself? If one guy can do it, why can't all of them?
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not picking on you specifically with this, but i've seen this kind of talk a lot and want to talk about it.yes, favre probably prefers minnesota as a destination. he may even be "orchestrating" a trade/release so that it can happen. under the present circumstances (having nothing to do with his career history, and everything to do with his present contract), there is nothing wrong with that.

people are saying he's "demanding a trade to a particular team" and that that makes him a primadonna. i think what he's really saying is "i'm not willing to talk about renegotiating my contract unless it's for my preferred team." i see nothing wrong with that.

yes, he's trying to force green bay's hand. not wanting to negotiate with teams he doesn't want to play for is putting the pressure on. that is by design, and again, there's nothing wrong with that. forget all the posturing (by both sides). he knows they want rodgers to be the QB, and he knows they don't want to pay him $12 million to be the backup. that's why he asked for his release. he would prefer not to be traded to a team he doesn't want to go to -- and by not talking to those teams about reducing his contractual salary, he's making that process difficult.

if he didn't care about the effect on the green bay locker room, it would be the easiest thing in the world for him to call their bluff, head to camp, accept the backup role, and take his $12 million if they keep him around -- knowing there was a reasonably good chance he would be released. (and spare me the talk about his ego not allowing him to be the backup -- we can talk about egos until we're blue in the face, but none of you know whether that's true.)

anyway, back to the point. instead of framing it as him demanding this or demanding that, let's call it what it is -- he is (was) enforcing his contract rights -- why should he renegotiate for team X if he doesn't want to?

 
FunkyPlutos said:
Tatum Bell said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means. Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:tinfoilhat: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :coffee:
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Childress and Favre talked on the phone a couple days after the Pack put the wood to the Vikings 34-0 and Childess gave him a hard time about a gray haired QB beating up on his team. This happened, so to say that they had "no prior connections" is not true. Two guys on different sides who can joke about a whipping like that right after it happens have some kind of relationship that goes beyond the norm.
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And there they were, months later, still joking about that 34-0 beating. Good times, good times.
 
fatness said:
bubba191919 said:
So, if the Vikes want Favre and offer a better deal than the Jets or Bucs, why shouldn't they be able to make the deal?
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If 10 or 50 NFL players "retire", and then want to come back to orchestrate trades to one specific team, and can orchestrate that by way of trading "through" some other team, why shouldn't they be able to make those deals? At what point do the teams and the league balk and say it's undermining the league itself? If one guy can do it, why can't all of them?
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Its really an issue of how much control any one in the NFL "monopoly" should have to prevent "free competition". If the Vikes or Bears, or anyone else, want to offer up the most value for a given player, why should they be excluded? Or, in GB's situation, don't the owners have an obligation to the stockholders to maximize the value of their team? They are already going to lose quite a bit in the marketing dollars with Favre not playing in GB, although I guess they save $25 million now that he is going to play somewhere else. But, shouldn't they take the best trade they can get? Maybe the Vikes should be making tampering charges against GB?
 
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IN all of the he-said, she-said, and what QB is better we've kind of neglected one facet of this thing in our "talks".

For anybody who's ever been a "boss", who's ever had employees working for you....

Would you let any of them bad-mouth you constantly, calling you a liar nultiple times in the press, questioning your every move IN PUBLIC (basicly implying you're not fit for the job)???????

Brett Favre has done all of these things with TT...BEFORE HE EVER RETIRED, and several times since. Then, some of us want to turn around and jump all over TT (the boss) for not welcoming him back with open arms?

I simply can't wrap my head around this. Many of you think TT did lie to BF over the last several months. I don't believe so, but what if he did? I mean, the biggest lie, IMO, was "I'm retiring".

Accuse TT of bungling all you want, BF was attacking TT long before all of this, and usually he was wrong. Maybe TT does have too big an ego.....but I honestly believe that there aren't too many successful businesmen in any industry that would allow an employee no matter how established, popular, or talented, to undermine them like that on a consistant basis. Why should TT have to put up with that? BF is an icon, but he's still a player, not an owner, not a GM.

IE: Even if half of what BF has said about TT over the past 6 weeks were true, it would change NOTHING in the face of this reality, and I find it very hard to fault TT for not welcoming BF back with open arms. From this perspective, BF has nobody to blame but BF.
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Hi rene,Can you paste some of the quotes of Favre constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired?

I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.

J

 
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vitaflo said:
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I will stand by my statement though that if Rodgers flops (and i think he will). Thompson will be run out of town in a New York minute. Rodgers is a stiff. A hig draft pick that will end up being a mistake. Not anything new when it comes to QB busts.I am calling it now. I am not waiting to watch him play in a real NFL game...I have seen enough with his pre-seasons and that Family night....OMG...brutal.
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Man, you must have REALLY hated Favre the first few years he was in the league.
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LOL....When I saw Favre leap into the endzone with a partially seperated shoudler his first year as a Packer I knew right then and there they had a football player. Give me a break.When you have been watching football your whole life you kinda learn what it takes to play in the league and we all watch a ton of football playing this silly game of fantasy. Aaron Rodgers will never come close to what Favre has done.....he will not lead Green Bay to any championships...in fact within 2 years he will not be the starting QB of Green Bay. And Green Bay is going to finally find out what life without Brett Favre feels like.It is going to suck.
 
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Todem said:
vitaflo said:
Todem said:
I will stand by my statement though that if Rodgers flops (and i think he will). Thompson will be run out of town in a New York minute. Rodgers is a stiff. A hig draft pick that will end up being a mistake. Not anything new when it comes to QB busts.I am calling it now. I am not waiting to watch him play in a real NFL game...I have seen enough with his pre-seasons and that Family night....OMG...brutal.
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Man, you must have REALLY hated Favre the first few years he was in the league.
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LOL....When I saw Favre leap into the endzone with a partially seperated shoudler his first year as a Packer I knew right then and there they had a football player. Give me a break.When you have been watching football your whole life you kinda learn what it takes to play in the league and we all watch a ton of football playing this silly game of fantasy. Aaron Rodgers will never come close to what Favre has done.....he will not lead Green Bay to any championships...in fact within 2 years he will not be the starting QB of Green Bay. And Green Bay is going to finally find out what life without Brett Favre feels like.It is going to suck.
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In fact, they may want to consider moving to the Canadian Football League...Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Green Bay, etc...
 
Patrick Crayton on Aaron Rodgers:

"(The Favre situation is) shaking Aaron Rodgers regardless of what they're saying up there. I think it's shaking him," Crayton said. "The coaches need to hurry up and get that under control.

"Keep Aaron Rodgers in there, because we've got to play them the third game (on Sept. 21). So have Aaron Rodgers playing when we get there."

When it was pointed out that Rodgers performed well for an injured Favre in the Cowboys' eventual 37-27 victory over the Packers, Crayton dismissed Rodgers' performance quickly.

"That was last year," Crayton said. "Did we have film on him?

"I know their defense had film on him in their scrimmage and what did he do?" :excited:

Rodgers was 7-for-20 and heard a few boos on Sunday night.

 
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Patrick Crayton on Aaron Rodgers:"(The Favre situation is) shaking Aaron Rodgers regardless of what they're saying up there. I think it's shaking him," Crayton said. "The coaches need to hurry up and get that under control."Keep Aaron Rodgers in there, because we've got to play them the third game (on Sept. 21). So have Aaron Rodgers playing when we get there."When it was pointed out that Rodgers performed well for an injured Favre in the Cowboys' eventual 37-27 victory over the Packers, Crayton dismissed Rodgers' performance quickly."That was last year," Crayton said. "Did we have film on him?"I know their defense had film on him in their scrimmage and what did he do?" :excited: Rodgers was 7-for-20 and heard a few boos on Sunday night.
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I would like to thank Patrick Crayton's hands . . . for covering up his mouth.
 
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Patrick Crayton on Aaron Rodgers:"(The Favre situation is) shaking Aaron Rodgers regardless of what they're saying up there. I think it's shaking him," Crayton said. "The coaches need to hurry up and get that under control."Keep Aaron Rodgers in there, because we've got to play them the third game (on Sept. 21). So have Aaron Rodgers playing when we get there."When it was pointed out that Rodgers performed well for an injured Favre in the Cowboys' eventual 37-27 victory over the Packers, Crayton dismissed Rodgers' performance quickly."That was last year," Crayton said. "Did we have film on him?"I know their defense had film on him in their scrimmage and what did he do?" :fishing: Rodgers was 7-for-20 and heard a few boos on Sunday night.
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Seems like a very unsmart thing for a Dallas WR to be saying.J
 
Anyone else think Favre ends up calling it quits again before the season?

His comment to the extent of 'I saw the scrimmage Sunday and it didn't feel weird not being out there' caught my attention that he was content on not being out on the field period -- anywhere.

 
Todem said:
vitaflo said:
Todem said:
I will stand by my statement though that if Rodgers flops (and i think he will). Thompson will be run out of town in a New York minute. Rodgers is a stiff. A hig draft pick that will end up being a mistake. Not anything new when it comes to QB busts.I am calling it now. I am not waiting to watch him play in a real NFL game...I have seen enough with his pre-seasons and that Family night....OMG...brutal.
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Man, you must have REALLY hated Favre the first few years he was in the league.
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LOL....When I saw Favre leap into the endzone with a partially seperated shoudler his first year as a Packer I knew right then and there they had a football player. Give me a break.When you have been watching football your whole life you kinda learn what it takes to play in the league and we all watch a ton of football playing this silly game of fantasy. Aaron Rodgers will never come close to what Favre has done.....he will not lead Green Bay to any championships...in fact within 2 years he will not be the starting QB of Green Bay. And Green Bay is going to finally find out what life without Brett Favre feels like.It is going to suck.
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:fishing: For potential crow eating.
 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Anyone else think Favre ends up calling it quits again before the season?His comment to the extent of 'I saw the scrimmage Sunday and it didn't feel weird not being out there' caught my attention that he was content on not being out on the field period -- anywhere.
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I could see him retiring rather than going through with the trade, but I'd be surprised if he allowed the trade to go through before quitting, and I'd be shocked if he quit midseason. He's too proud to do that IMHO. I took the "didn't feel weird" comment to mean that he didn't feel like a part of the Packers team - was I wrong about the scope of that statement?
 
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Tatum Bell said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Anyone else think Favre ends up calling it quits again before the season?His comment to the extent of 'I saw the scrimmage Sunday and it didn't feel weird not being out there' caught my attention that he was content on not being out on the field period -- anywhere.
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I took the "didn't feel weird" comment to mean that he didn't feel like a part of the Packers team - was I wrong about the scope of that statement?
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I don't think you are. I just took it a little differently myself.I just believe going from the familiarity of GB to having to learn NYJ/TB on the fly -- even if you have a clue of the systems.....you still have no chemistry with the WR's, has to be quite depressing for him. The Jets/TB don't have an Adrian Peterson he could lean on for the 1st few weeks of the season while he adapts.
 
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Anyone else think Favre ends up calling it quits again before the season?His comment to the extent of 'I saw the scrimmage Sunday and it didn't feel weird not being out there' caught my attention that he was content on not being out on the field period -- anywhere.
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I was thinking that last night. But part of that was me just tiring of the Thompson fans I think.This changes frequently but his agent today is saying he believes Favre will play this year.
According to Brett Favre's agent, Favre is willing to play for either the Jets or the Buccaneers, and he hopes a trade is completed by Thursday at the latest. "Brett feels he needs to get into training camp," Bus Cook told Sporting News in a telephone interview Wednesday morning. "He's ready to get started." Asked if he could foresee a scenario in which Favre did not play this season, Cook said, "No, I don't see that happening. He wants to play." Cook said that both he and Favre were still in Green Bay, but that they expected to leave sometime Wednesday. It remained to be seen where Favre was headed.
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I personally would retire I think.J
 
vitaflo said:
Todem said:
vitaflo said:
Todem said:
I will stand by my statement though that if Rodgers flops (and i think he will). Thompson will be run out of town in a New York minute. Rodgers is a stiff. A hig draft pick that will end up being a mistake. Not anything new when it comes to QB busts.I am calling it now. I am not waiting to watch him play in a real NFL game...I have seen enough with his pre-seasons and that Family night....OMG...brutal.
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Man, you must have REALLY hated Favre the first few years he was in the league.
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LOL....When I saw Favre leap into the endzone with a partially seperated shoudler his first year as a Packer I knew right then and there they had a football player. Give me a break.When you have been watching football your whole life you kinda learn what it takes to play in the league and we all watch a ton of football playing this silly game of fantasy. Aaron Rodgers will never come close to what Favre has done.....he will not lead Green Bay to any championships...in fact within 2 years he will not be the starting QB of Green Bay. And Green Bay is going to finally find out what life without Brett Favre feels like.It is going to suck.
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:ph34r: For potential crow eating.
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What's your prediction for how Rodgers will do?J
 
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What's your prediction for how Rodgers will do?J
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I know you're asking someone else, but I'll throw my $.02 in:3400/18/14 is what I'd project for him; I've got durability concerns, but I can't project those, so I just assume 16 games played, as with all my projections. The team finishes 10-6 if Rodgers stays intact.
 
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Joe Bryant said:
vitaflo said:
Todem said:
vitaflo said:
Todem said:
I will stand by my statement though that if Rodgers flops (and i think he will). Thompson will be run out of town in a New York minute. Rodgers is a stiff. A hig draft pick that will end up being a mistake. Not anything new when it comes to QB busts.I am calling it now. I am not waiting to watch him play in a real NFL game...I have seen enough with his pre-seasons and that Family night....OMG...brutal.
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Man, you must have REALLY hated Favre the first few years he was in the league.
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LOL....When I saw Favre leap into the endzone with a partially seperated shoudler his first year as a Packer I knew right then and there they had a football player. Give me a break.When you have been watching football your whole life you kinda learn what it takes to play in the league and we all watch a ton of football playing this silly game of fantasy. Aaron Rodgers will never come close to what Favre has done.....he will not lead Green Bay to any championships...in fact within 2 years he will not be the starting QB of Green Bay. And Green Bay is going to finally find out what life without Brett Favre feels like.It is going to suck.
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:kicksrock: For potential crow eating.
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What's your prediction for how Rodgers will do?J
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I have him ranked somewhere between QB12-18 depending on the day. His situation to me is too volatile to pin down. I just find people funny who are so damn confident in their future predictions with nothing relevant to base it on.Basically, wouldn't draft him as my starter, but would take him in later rounds if he drops because I think he has the potential for upside if he pans out. The Pack has too much talent on offense to throw him under a bus as fast as Todem has.
 
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Curious....Is the $25mil to just stay retired offer still on the table?
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From how I understand the 'Marketing and Merchandising' offer proposed by Murphy, is that it will remain on the table for Favre even if he plays elsewhere.
 
Tatum Bell said:
bubba191919 said:
ScottyFargo said:
Tatum Bell said:
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Tatum Bell said:
That's not what "proven to be false" means.

Not guilty <> proven innocent.
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meeka said:
I think the point is that just because you can not prove that it happened does not mean that there is proof that it did not happen. Sheesh.
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:kicksrock: So absent proof of the allegation we are left with...
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. . . a buttload of unexplained phone calls between a player and a team with whom the player had no prior connections but who he has expressed a desire to unretire and play for. :coffee:
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Which sounds a lot like what the allegations were riding on in the first place, but since those were explained due to previous relationships between all involved, I guess we're left with a whole lot of nothing and allegations that went unfounded. Here's my latest on the situation: Favre to Tampa. That's it. I don't see him moving back to the Vikes because Tampa is truly interested in him. I think he plays for one more season in Tampa, and beats Green Bay handidly in week 4. Green Bay out of the playoffs this year, Tampa in again.
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If Favre initated the phone calls, who is tampering?
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Even if Favre initiates, if the team allows a phone conversation to continue about him coming to play for them, they're tampering.
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I am little confused about these boatload of conversations. Those conversations were suppose to have happen on a cell phone that doesn't exist, so if the cell phone doesn't exist those boatload of conversations don't exist. GB accused Minny of tampering it was investigated, there was no evidence of tampering end of story. Why would of Packers make this accusation of tampering from Minn? I think we have found the answer right here on this board, because people will believe something happen just because of the accusation and not pay attention to the fact the NFL found no evidence of tampering.

 
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All speculation. No evidence that he was to be allowed to compete. Some to the opposite.So far it seems like Favre has largely told the truth. He was willing to compete. Anyone who thinks he was afraid to lose is pretty delusional.It looks like he was never going to be allowed to practice with other Packers. Or compete. When they said "we have moved on" they meant it. And then tried to force him to stay retired.The Packers were the ones afraid of a competition.
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You say it's all speculation and then speculate and even make #### up yourself. :lmao: McCarthy said Favre's mind was not right to play in Green Bay and I believe him. It's pretty obvious he wanted to play in Minnesota so he could seek revenge twice a year. Look back at what he has said.
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Which part is made up?
 
sho nuff said:
ConstruxBoy said:
sho nuff said:
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ookook said:
renesauz said:
ConstruxBoy said:
LOL, I think that quote is going to kill some of the Pro-TT guys here Joe. They've been working under the assumption that Favre thinks he's too good to compete to start. So now that the coach says that he's OK with that, they need to find something else to grab on to. Hence all the recent posts about Favre going about this the wrong way, which is true of course.
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no CB....the problem is that BF, and most of his supporters, can't even concieve of the possibility that he could lose said competition. Now, from a coaching GM standpoint, I would next wonder/ask: "Brett, if you lose the competition and we choose to start Rodgers, what will you do? Wil you back him up and lend your experiance to the coaching staff/SUPPORT US, or will you bolt (and attempt to undermine us in the press again). Regardless of who McCarthy thinks would win, if Brett wasn't willing to accept the consequences of losing the job, then it was NOT in the teams best interest to allow him to compete. It could very well be that BOTH sides would have welcomed an open competition, but couldn't agree on what would happen IF Brett actually lost.WOW...that gos right in line with ALL of McCarthy's comments like "Favre not being in the right mindset to return".Favre is upset because 1. He didn't feel like he was welcomed back with open arms from the SECOND he changed his mind (and why would he be??????)2. He can't accept that ANYBODY in the organization might honestly beleive Rodgers to be a better direction for the team. He is incapable of facing the consequences of losing the starting job in an "open" competition.These things are not stretches.
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All speculation. No evidence that he was to be allowed to compete. Some to the opposite.So far it seems like Favre has largely told the truth. He was willing to compete. Anyone who thinks he was afraid to lose is pretty delusional.It looks like he was never going to be allowed to practice with other Packers. Or compete. When they said "we have moved on" they meant it. And then tried to force him to stay retired.The Packers were the ones afraid of a competition.
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So a posting where a guy claims someone else is speculating...but goes on to speculate with no evidence himself is now a good posting?
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I don't think it's speculating to say that the Packers were the ones afraid of a competition and I can't believe that you would disagree with that. I imagine that Favre doesn't want a competition and doesn't think he should have to go through it, by he would. The Packers do not want a competition and I think it's clear that they told him that when he called in June.
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It is speculation to say that it looks like he was not going to be allowed to practice or compete.And yes...it is speculation to say they were afraid of it.I would disagree with it...Favre's own quote shows that McCarthy was open to it when asking Favre about it.What is clear that you all are ok with speculation as long as it fits your idea of the situation...if not, you write it off as speculation and just won't believe it.
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I'm sorry, I meant to say "The Packers would not allow a competition". The afraid part is gone.But the Favre camp reports they were told he would not be allowed to compete or practice. ESPN reports it. Great evidence? Perhaps not but better than any evidence that says he was going to be allowed to compete or practice.
 
Pipes said:
GreenNGold said:
Kleck said:
Joe Bryant said:
What's your preciction for how Rodgers will do?J
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10-63400/20/16
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2800/12/18 It's going to be a painful year
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Come on....12 TD passes with those WR's the Packers have?I predicted 3200/19/12 with the Packers finishing in 8-8/9-7 range. There will be some growing pains that's for sure but it won't be doom and gloom like many of you are predicting.
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That's about where I'm at right now. Preseason could obviously change that. FWIW, if Favre did come back as QB, given his lack of offseason preparation and the drama with him and the front office, I predicted about the same for him as well. Which is why I found the Favre vs Rodgers talk so :) .
 
Joe Bryant said:
renesauz said:
IN all of the he-said, she-said, and what QB is better we've kind of neglected one facet of this thing in our "talks".

For anybody who's ever been a "boss", who's ever had employees working for you....

Would you let any of them bad-mouth you constantly, calling you a liar nultiple times in the press, questioning your every move IN PUBLIC (basicly implying you're not fit for the job)???????

Brett Favre has done all of these things with TT...BEFORE HE EVER RETIRED, and several times since. Then, some of us want to turn around and jump all over TT (the boss) for not welcoming him back with open arms?

I simply can't wrap my head around this. Many of you think TT did lie to BF over the last several months. I don't believe so, but what if he did? I mean, the biggest lie, IMO, was "I'm retiring".

Accuse TT of bungling all you want, BF was attacking TT long before all of this, and usually he was wrong. Maybe TT does have too big an ego.....but I honestly believe that there aren't too many successful businesmen in any industry that would allow an employee no matter how established, popular, or talented, to undermine them like that on a consistant basis. Why should TT have to put up with that? BF is an icon, but he's still a player, not an owner, not a GM.

IE: Even if half of what BF has said about TT over the past 6 weeks were true, it would change NOTHING in the face of this reality, and I find it very hard to fault TT for not welcoming BF back with open arms. From this perspective, BF has nobody to blame but BF.
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Hi rene,Can you paste some of the quotes of Favre constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired?

I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.

J
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Isn't it already documented how he was mad about TT not interviewing Mooch for the HC job? About not getting Moss, not keeping his favorite linemen, etc. etc.There have been stories about Favre dislike for TT that are FAR older then the current hostilities.

 
renesauz said:
Joe Bryant said:
renesauz said:
IN all of the he-said, she-said, and what QB is better we've kind of neglected one facet of this thing in our "talks".

For anybody who's ever been a "boss", who's ever had employees working for you....

Would you let any of them bad-mouth you constantly, calling you a liar nultiple times in the press, questioning your every move IN PUBLIC (basicly implying you're not fit for the job)???????

Brett Favre has done all of these things with TT...BEFORE HE EVER RETIRED, and several times since. Then, some of us want to turn around and jump all over TT (the boss) for not welcoming him back with open arms?

I simply can't wrap my head around this. Many of you think TT did lie to BF over the last several months. I don't believe so, but what if he did? I mean, the biggest lie, IMO, was "I'm retiring".

Accuse TT of bungling all you want, BF was attacking TT long before all of this, and usually he was wrong. Maybe TT does have too big an ego.....but I honestly believe that there aren't too many successful businesmen in any industry that would allow an employee no matter how established, popular, or talented, to undermine them like that on a consistant basis. Why should TT have to put up with that? BF is an icon, but he's still a player, not an owner, not a GM.

IE: Even if half of what BF has said about TT over the past 6 weeks were true, it would change NOTHING in the face of this reality, and I find it very hard to fault TT for not welcoming BF back with open arms. From this perspective, BF has nobody to blame but BF.
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Hi rene,Can you paste some of the quotes of Favre constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired?

I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.

J
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Isn't it already documented how he was mad about TT not interviewing Mooch for the HC job? About not getting Moss, not keeping his favorite linemen, etc. etc.There have been stories about Favre dislike for TT that are FAR older then the current hostilities.
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I'd like to see the quotes you're talking about. It was documented Favre was frustrated the team didn't sign Moss with Favre saying he would have contributed some of his contract toward doing what it took to get Moss there. But I'm more interested in the quotes you're talking about where Favre was constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired.J

 
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renesauz said:
Joe Bryant said:
renesauz said:
IN all of the he-said, she-said, and what QB is better we've kind of neglected one facet of this thing in our "talks".

For anybody who's ever been a "boss", who's ever had employees working for you....

Would you let any of them bad-mouth you constantly, calling you a liar nultiple times in the press, questioning your every move IN PUBLIC (basicly implying you're not fit for the job)???????

Brett Favre has done all of these things with TT...BEFORE HE EVER RETIRED, and several times since. Then, some of us want to turn around and jump all over TT (the boss) for not welcoming him back with open arms?

I simply can't wrap my head around this. Many of you think TT did lie to BF over the last several months. I don't believe so, but what if he did? I mean, the biggest lie, IMO, was "I'm retiring".

Accuse TT of bungling all you want, BF was attacking TT long before all of this, and usually he was wrong. Maybe TT does have too big an ego.....but I honestly believe that there aren't too many successful businesmen in any industry that would allow an employee no matter how established, popular, or talented, to undermine them like that on a consistant basis. Why should TT have to put up with that? BF is an icon, but he's still a player, not an owner, not a GM.

IE: Even if half of what BF has said about TT over the past 6 weeks were true, it would change NOTHING in the face of this reality, and I find it very hard to fault TT for not welcoming BF back with open arms. From this perspective, BF has nobody to blame but BF.
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Hi rene,Can you paste some of the quotes of Favre constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired?

I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.

J
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Isn't it already documented how he was mad about TT not interviewing Mooch for the HC job? About not getting Moss, not keeping his favorite linemen, etc. etc.There have been stories about Favre dislike for TT that are FAR older then the current hostilities.
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What are the etc. ect. you refer too? The only news that was only recently verified was the 3 things you mention above..Mooch, Moss, and the OL. I'd also like to know about how vocal Favre was about TT prior to March of this year.
 
Joe Bryant said:
renesauz said:
Joe Bryant said:
renesauz said:
IN all of the he-said, she-said, and what QB is better we've kind of neglected one facet of this thing in our "talks".

For anybody who's ever been a "boss", who's ever had employees working for you....

Would you let any of them bad-mouth you constantly, calling you a liar nultiple times in the press, questioning your every move IN PUBLIC (basicly implying you're not fit for the job)???????

Brett Favre has done all of these things with TT...BEFORE HE EVER RETIRED, and several times since. Then, some of us want to turn around and jump all over TT (the boss) for not welcoming him back with open arms?

I simply can't wrap my head around this. Many of you think TT did lie to BF over the last several months. I don't believe so, but what if he did? I mean, the biggest lie, IMO, was "I'm retiring".

Accuse TT of bungling all you want, BF was attacking TT long before all of this, and usually he was wrong. Maybe TT does have too big an ego.....but I honestly believe that there aren't too many successful businesmen in any industry that would allow an employee no matter how established, popular, or talented, to undermine them like that on a consistant basis. Why should TT have to put up with that? BF is an icon, but he's still a player, not an owner, not a GM.

IE: Even if half of what BF has said about TT over the past 6 weeks were true, it would change NOTHING in the face of this reality, and I find it very hard to fault TT for not welcoming BF back with open arms. From this perspective, BF has nobody to blame but BF.
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Hi rene,Can you paste some of the quotes of Favre constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired?

I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.

J
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Isn't it already documented how he was mad about TT not interviewing Mooch for the HC job? About not getting Moss, not keeping his favorite linemen, etc. etc.There have been stories about Favre dislike for TT that are FAR older then the current hostilities.
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I'd like to see the quotes you're talking about. It was documented Favre was frustrated the team didn't sign Moss with Favre saying he would have contributed some of his contract toward doing what it took to get Moss there. But I'm more interested in the quotes you're talking about where Favre was constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired.J
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I honestly don't recall an instance where he called him a "liar" before retirement...but I never said he did. I said he was bad-mouthing him, and animosity existed before retirement...a fact pointed out by numerous stories already posted in this thread, the Moss example being but one of the more benign examples.The more recent quotes (I'm thinking specificly of Mooch's interview) are all about how Favre feels slighted and unwanted becuase the Pack didn't welcome him back with open arms.

I'm trying to point out that TT had reasons (OTHER then talent/plans and numerous other already bantered in here) to NOT want to welcome him back with "open arms".

Stories abound suggesting TT had planned for Favre bveing gone as early as December. Maybe true, maybe not...we may never know the truth of that. BUT WE DO KNOW that PUBLICLY the team acted willing to take him back as late as May/early June, depending on which reports you believe...But FAVRE repeatedly said IN PUBLIC he wasn't returning.

To this point, the ONLY PROVEN LIE is BF's when he said 2 months ago "I'm retired and staying retired." TT has been almost completely silent on the matter in the press. Even the "open competition" statements weren't necessarily a lie.

TT made a choice that he didn't want Favre.....but show me one single quote or example of open animosity towards BF...just ONE.

FWIW...I have repeatedly said I think Favre is probably the better QB this year, but that it's close enough that I understand the choice.

And here's the kicker...TT doesn't have to justify the choice to us, but to his executive committee....which apparently he did months ago. With a dozen or more realistic examples of why he chose so (whether FAVRE, you or anyone else here agrees), why do so many folks (yourself included) want to throw the guy under the bus? I really don't get that, and I am honestly trying like heck to figure it out.

 
I see this year's defense and running game being good enough to prevent total disaster. Assuming health, I think they're good enough to give the team 8-9 wins, maybe more.

The defense pretty much won the final 4 games of the 8-8 2006 season. They improved last year, and it's quite possible that they improve again this year. Finding a solid #3 CB/nickel back, and getting more consistent play from the safeties can bump this defense into the top 5.

The Oline was less experienced in 2006, plus Green was coming off a pretty big injury. The running game really looked good in the 2nd half of 2007, and I see that improving even more this year. Defenses will play the run more, but as a unit, I like the potential for a 1800+ yard season with Green Bay finishing in the top half of the league.

Green Bay's kick return game needs to improve. Being in the bottom half of the league and scoring no TDs, like in 2007, is not going to help Rodgers. The defense and running game are there to help with field management. Now the return game needs to step it up.

 
renesauz said:
Joe Bryant said:
renesauz said:
Joe Bryant said:
renesauz said:
IN all of the he-said, she-said, and what QB is better we've kind of neglected one facet of this thing in our "talks".

For anybody who's ever been a "boss", who's ever had employees working for you....

Would you let any of them bad-mouth you constantly, calling you a liar nultiple times in the press, questioning your every move IN PUBLIC (basicly implying you're not fit for the job)???????

Brett Favre has done all of these things with TT...BEFORE HE EVER RETIRED, and several times since. Then, some of us want to turn around and jump all over TT (the boss) for not welcoming him back with open arms?

I simply can't wrap my head around this. Many of you think TT did lie to BF over the last several months. I don't believe so, but what if he did? I mean, the biggest lie, IMO, was "I'm retiring".

Accuse TT of bungling all you want, BF was attacking TT long before all of this, and usually he was wrong. Maybe TT does have too big an ego.....but I honestly believe that there aren't too many successful businesmen in any industry that would allow an employee no matter how established, popular, or talented, to undermine them like that on a consistant basis. Why should TT have to put up with that? BF is an icon, but he's still a player, not an owner, not a GM.

IE: Even if half of what BF has said about TT over the past 6 weeks were true, it would change NOTHING in the face of this reality, and I find it very hard to fault TT for not welcoming BF back with open arms. From this perspective, BF has nobody to blame but BF.
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Hi rene,Can you paste some of the quotes of Favre constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired?

I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.

J
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Isn't it already documented how he was mad about TT not interviewing Mooch for the HC job? About not getting Moss, not keeping his favorite linemen, etc. etc.There have been stories about Favre dislike for TT that are FAR older then the current hostilities.
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I'd like to see the quotes you're talking about. It was documented Favre was frustrated the team didn't sign Moss with Favre saying he would have contributed some of his contract toward doing what it took to get Moss there. But I'm more interested in the quotes you're talking about where Favre was constantly bad mouthing Thompson and calling Thompson a liar before he retired.J
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I honestly don't recall an instance where he called him a "liar" before retirement...but I never said he did. I said he was bad-mouthing him, and animosity existed before retirement...a fact pointed out by numerous stories already posted in this thread, the Moss example being but one of the more benign examples.The more recent quotes (I'm thinking specificly of Mooch's interview) are all about how Favre feels slighted and unwanted becuase the Pack didn't welcome him back with open arms.

I'm trying to point out that TT had reasons (OTHER then talent/plans and numerous other already bantered in here) to NOT want to welcome him back with "open arms".

Stories abound suggesting TT had planned for Favre bveing gone as early as December. Maybe true, maybe not...we may never know the truth of that. BUT WE DO KNOW that PUBLICLY the team acted willing to take him back as late as May/early June, depending on which reports you believe...But FAVRE repeatedly said IN PUBLIC he wasn't returning.

To this point, the ONLY PROVEN LIE is BF's when he said 2 months ago "I'm retired and staying retired." TT has been almost completely silent on the matter in the press. Even the "open competition" statements weren't necessarily a lie.

TT made a choice that he didn't want Favre.....but show me one single quote or example of open animosity towards BF...just ONE.

FWIW...I have repeatedly said I think Favre is probably the better QB this year, but that it's close enough that I understand the choice.

And here's the kicker...TT doesn't have to justify the choice to us, but to his executive committee....which apparently he did months ago. With a dozen or more realistic examples of why he chose so (whether FAVRE, you or anyone else here agrees), why do so many folks (yourself included) want to throw the guy under the bus? I really don't get that, and I am honestly trying like heck to figure it out.
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This is easy. TT is taking heat for this because it is becoming quite clear that he made a decision several months ago and prior to Favre's retirement that he didn't want Favre back and was ready for Rodgers to lead this team. I am not throwing TT under the bus for that. I just know he better be ready to get run over by it if this blows up in this face.
 
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