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Washington Redskin/Carolina Panthers game (1 Viewer)

Delhomme threw too high several times early in the game but settled down and looked on target after that. It's difficult to tell how Jason Campbell looked because he had defensive linemen on him or with arms raised 3 feet in front of him on almost all pass plays. Carolina is beating Washington on both offensive and defensive lines, and the entire game has flowed from that. The score actually is pretty indicative.

 
I know its only pre-season but I grabbed the CAR DEF last week after they shut-out Philly for 3Qs. I thought they might be a sleeper and tonight they look the part. Of course this means nothing until the real games begin.

 
Delhomme's arm looks pretty strong to me. His judgment is spotty, but that's nothing new. He's so good at forcing bad passes to his receivers (especially Smith) over the years that it's gotten difficult to fault him for even his worst decisions. There's no surgery for that.

Williams looks just a little bit better than Stewart to me, mostly due to his consistent play. Both of their TD's looked to be mostly a product of solid blocking and godawful defense, but they both showed excellent patience and breakaway speed.

To me, the most notable development has been Dwayne Jarrett's play. He has looked like a solid possession receiver in both games this preseason. The biggest problem, and the local announcers have even commented on this, is that DB's know he won't beat them deep and frequently try to jump his routes. Still, Jarrett seems to be earning Delhomme's trust and is actually showing some promise as a possession receiver opposite Steve Smith.

 
I'm participating in a draft right now and have the snake #12 picks. We're in the 6th round now. Would I be an idiot to pick up both Williams and Stewart with the thinking of starting them all season long alongside Frank Gore. We can start 3 RBs and 2 WRs.

 
I'm participating in a draft right now and have the snake #12 picks. We're in the 6th round now. Would I be an idiot to pick up both Williams and Stewart with the thinking of starting them all season long alongside Frank Gore. We can start 3 RBs and 2 WRs.
I would take them!
 
To me, the most notable development has been Dwayne Jarrett's play. He has looked like a solid possession receiver in both games this preseason. The biggest problem, and the local announcers have even commented on this, is that DB's know he won't beat them deep and frequently try to jump his routes. Still, Jarrett seems to be earning Delhomme's trust and is actually showing some promise as a possession receiver opposite Steve Smith.
i have hackett in a keeper league. i was toying the muhsin as a insurance because of the delhomme-muhammed history. i'm beginning to think jarret might be the okay here now.also hoping to see randl-el do something interesting too.
 
okay ummm...is this a controlled scrimmage and only CAR offense vs. WAS defense?

when do they switch? LOL

 
so is Deangelo williams the unquestioned #1 in carolina? with Stewart #2? what's the consensus on this situation? Where is Foster in the mix?

 
so is Deangelo williams the unquestioned #1 in carolina? with Stewart #2? what's the consensus on this situation? Where is Foster in the mix?
I'm just going to take a wild stab at things and suggest that it *may* be a running back by committee.I'm no expert, though.
 
Well, just got back from the game and it was awesome. Each guy played every other series. Each had a few nice runs of 8-11 yds apiece and then the highlight show started in the 2nd quarter. First it looked DW was going to take it home with a 32 yarder, but someone poked the ball around the 15 yard line, but SS was running right with him for blocking support... picks up the loose ball and take it in for the first TD of the game. Than it was Stewart's turn and after the 2nd or 3rd play of the drive he takes it to the left gets past a few tackles and breaks free around the 40... he got tripped around the 30, but kept his balance and took it to the house... the crowd went nuts. Next series... it was DW back in with the first team and a near repeat of the first long TD by Stewart, DW breaks through the line and gets into the secondary and gets away from the one guy and runs away from the last tackler to take it 60 yards. Towards the end of the third quarter DW had two nice runs and we were at 3rd and 1... a down and distance that we struggled with each of the last two years with Foster as the main RB. Stewart came in for the first time when it was DW series and pretty much everyone knew they were going to run it and sure enough... Stewart converted it and kept the drive alive and turned into the Delhomme to Rosario TD. Looks like he will be the short yardage guy and probably get the one yard TDs... giving him a little bit more value than DW, but while JStew deserves to be draft around where he is, DW looks like he will provide nice value for those at are fortunate enough to get him in the 6th or 7th round.

It looks like it is going to be a true committee at this point, with both players providing some good, but not great FF points, unless one got hurt and the other gets the extra touches. As a Panther homer... I hope this doesn't happen, but at least we have what looks to be two very good RBs.

Delhomme was a little rusty in the first quarter, but he started settling down and started making some nice throws. Steve Smith was great and made a couple nice catches including one that Fox had to challenge as the ref called him out of bounds, but he made a great grab and had his feet him. He finished is night with a nice short WR screen that he juked the defender and he was off to the races with a 30 + yard TD. Another nice bonus was the nice game that Dwayne Jarrett had. He looked good, ran some good routes and looked like he could step in as a #3 WR if needed should D.J. Hackett stay sidelined. IF the Panthers are able to run the ball as effectively as they did tonight... this team should have now problem putting points on the board and winning enough games to get back into the playoffs.

On the defensive side of the ball the Panthers D looks much improved from last year's version. Julius Peppers looks like the Peppers of old and dominating again. Got a sack, recovered two fumbles... one from Campbell when someone knocked the ball out of his hand and one that Betts tried a little too much to get more yards and got the ball knocked out. Made a great play stopping Portis for about a 3 or 4 yard loss. He looks like he would be an undervalued pick if you are in IDP leagues as his numbers from last year have dropped him down in the defensive rankings. Beason looked great too so he would be a great pick as well and will rack up big #s of tackles again this year.

If you guys have any more questions about other Panthers players from this game... I will be happy to answer from what I saw tonight.

 
so is Deangelo williams the unquestioned #1 in carolina? with Stewart #2? what's the consensus on this situation? Where is Foster in the mix?
I think DW will be the starter, but that Stewart will see about the same number of touches as D Williams will. Stewart came in at one point and converted a 3rd and 1, so I think JStew will see the short yardage situations and likely will get more TDs as the Panthers punch it in once they are within the 5 yard line. The OL like much improved and looked very good blocking for both the run and the pass. Delhomme got good protection and once he settled down from early rust he showed and played well and made some nice throws to Rosario and Jarrett, who looked very good starting in place of Moose. Foster is backing up Frank Gore and not in the mix for Carolina! :goodposting:
 
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i have hackett in a keeper league. i was toying the muhsin as a insurance because of the delhomme-muhammed history. i'm beginning to think jarret might be the okay here now.
No, for now Moose is the one you want. He (and Hackett) missed this game. He had some sore ribs from last week's game, but he practiced late in the week and should be fine. He will be starting as the possession WR alongside Steve Smith this year. As for weeks 1-2, I'm not really sure, yet. If Jarrett passes anyone, it'd probably be Hackett since he has missed so much time with his toe.
 
so is Deangelo williams the unquestioned #1 in carolina? with Stewart #2? what's the consensus on this situation? Where is Foster in the mix?
I'm just going to take a wild stab at things and suggest that it *may* be a running back by committee.I'm no expert, though.
that's obvious. thanks for no insight whatsoever.
Dude.You asked if Deangelo was the "unquestioned #1" and where Foster was in the mix. ;)Maybe you shouldn't ask stupid questions if you don't want to get stupid answers. There are about 9,000 threads in the shark pool already about the RB situation in Carolina. If you already know it is RBBC, then what the heck are you asking?
 
Just got back from the game. Lot going through my head but I'll start with the Panthers aren't as good as they looked and the Skins aren't as bad as they looked. Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme share that special relationship a QB & WR develope via repitition, they just complement each other very well. The skins D was doing pretty well at first but they gave up a big play, Taylor went out and they were done. Either or scenario; the Skind OL is awful, the Panther DL is phenominal (I would hedge toward the latter).

Jake Delhomme

Don't sleep on him because of his arm, it's fine. To the point that I think he tried way too much tonight to make some throws to prove it. He overthrew Smith on the 2nd series for an INT on a pass that had no business being thrown but I get the feeling he tried to make to prove the arm is ok. He did something similar on the next series by trying to stuff the ball into Smith in the endzone and they walked away with 3 pts instead of a TD. Again on the 4th series he tried to thread the ball into double coverage with a wide open Stewart in the flats that would have been almost a sure TD with the way he was running tonight. Delhomme looked rusty with his reads but is arm is as good or better than I've seen in recent years.

DeAngelo Williams & Jonathan Stewart

I had intended to write something about each of them but they both performed so well and almost inditically tonight that it would just look the same for both of them. They both ran up the middle for power well, they obth turned the corner well and the both showed good speed and balance in the open field. I don't know what the final stats were but I'd be shocked to see more than 10 yards difference between the two tonight. John Fox has a nice problem to hav ein the NFL right now. My gut tells me it comes down to who pass blocks better and given that Williams has been in the system a year or two longer I would give him the slight edge based on tonights display. I fully anticipate seeing both RB's a lot this year unless there is an injury. They alternated series thoughout the game except for the final series where Williams started and Stewart came in on 3rd down.

Steve Smith

The heart and soul of the Carolina Panthers. He did everything but drive the bus tonight. That said I was kind of surprised to see him get as many snaps as he did given that they should be gameplanning for life without him for 2 weeks but whatever, they don't pay me to coach. When he is in and Delhomme is healthy he is top 5, period.

All the other Carolina WRs

Contrary to popular belief around here, Dwayne Jarret can catch a pass. Having said that, he is, at best, a very bad fill in for a week or so. He got very little seperation, he showed no ability to improvise, he ha dno YAC and I don't think he caught a ball for more than 8 yards all night. Who will step up into the Steve Smith void? I doubt he was palying much tonight. Muhammed sat because of the rib injury, he may play in the final pre-season game Thursday against the Steelers. D.J. Hackett sat as well. I expect that both of these guys will be the ones on the field in San Diego. Dante Rosario will see some time but he's Dwayne Jarrett II, only bigger. Jeff King didn;t have a ball thrown his way tonight that I remember although I doubt that trend continues without Smith in the lineup.

Carolina Defense

For any of you IDP boys, Damione Lewis and Julius Peppers just flat out wore the OL from Washington out tonight. Beason and Diggs both looked good at LB too. The return game for Carolina still sucks.

Washington Redskins

I went to the game to scout out the Panthers so I didn't really isolate the Skins so much but Jason Campbell had a bad night. I don't know how much was his fault though because there was not one pass play that he wasn't getting pressured but the Skins didn't throw the ball very much tonight. They did force feed Clinton Portis who also did little tonight. Statistically he may have faired well because he had a high number of carries but he never broke a big gainer during the game and I seem to remember him getting hit a lot at the line or in the backfield.

Because Campbell didn't throw much there is nothing to report on the WR's, the passing game was almost non-existent for the Skins tonight.

Their OL was awful. They didn't open hole sof r the runnig game and couldn't protect Campbell when he dropped back. Either they had an off night or it's going to be a long season for Portis owners. Betts faired no better.

The Skins defense looked good early and were getting good pressure on Delhomme. Jason Taylor looked like he did last year, disrupting plays at the line and getting good pressure on the QB. When he went down the defense went south and the rout was on. I didn't see his injury but he did limp off the field with assistance but went immediately to the cart. He laid down while the trainers looked him over and then went to the locker room on the cart. They said it was a knee sprain.

I'm drunk and going to bed.

 
so is Deangelo williams the unquestioned #1 in carolina? with Stewart #2? what's the consensus on this situation? Where is Foster in the mix?
I'm just going to take a wild stab at things and suggest that it *may* be a running back by committee.I'm no expert, though.
that's obvious. thanks for no insight whatsoever.
Dude.You asked if Deangelo was the "unquestioned #1" and where Foster was in the mix. ;)Maybe you shouldn't ask stupid questions if you don't want to get stupid answers. There are about 9,000 threads in the shark pool already about the RB situation in Carolina. If you already know it is RBBC, then what the heck are you asking?
you're right....it was a misinformed question...i haven't kept up on every single team's roster...i'll try not to piss in the pool again. however, no need to be a dink about it either.
 
Did Devin Thomas play? by all accounts the skins were awful, but i've been curious to hear if he managed to improve at all. i didn't think his decision to leave early was a good one, and i'm afraid it looks like he may have bust tattooed on his forehead - i've heard nothing remotely positive from Wash. camp blurbs at all about him. But have yet to see him in a game either...

 
Did Devin Thomas play? by all accounts the skins were awful, but i've been curious to hear if he managed to improve at all. i didn't think his decision to leave early was a good one, and i'm afraid it looks like he may have bust tattooed on his forehead - i've heard nothing remotely positive from Wash. camp blurbs at all about him. But have yet to see him in a game either...
If he saw the field tonight he made no impact. Again, the Skins passing game tonight was non-existant so even the starters looked dismal.
 
Did Devin Thomas play? by all accounts the skins were awful, but i've been curious to hear if he managed to improve at all. i didn't think his decision to leave early was a good one, and i'm afraid it looks like he may have bust tattooed on his forehead - i've heard nothing remotely positive from Wash. camp blurbs at all about him. But have yet to see him in a game either...
as i understand it, according to zorn, the rookie WR's for washington are not expected to see much action this season.
 
Did Devin Thomas play? by all accounts the skins were awful, but i've been curious to hear if he managed to improve at all. i didn't think his decision to leave early was a good one, and i'm afraid it looks like he may have bust tattooed on his forehead - i've heard nothing remotely positive from Wash. camp blurbs at all about him. But have yet to see him in a game either...
as i understand it, according to zorn, the rookie WR's for washington are not expected to see much action this season.
As far as it goes that's correct, but don't get the impression that he wouldn't play them. The onus is on them to get up to speed after missing so much time during training camp due to injury. I would expect nothing early in the year from them certainly.
 
so is Deangelo williams the unquestioned #1 in carolina? with Stewart #2? what's the consensus on this situation? Where is Foster in the mix?
I'm just going to take a wild stab at things and suggest that it *may* be a running back by committee.I'm no expert, though.
that's obvious. thanks for no insight whatsoever.
Dude.You asked if Deangelo was the "unquestioned #1" and where Foster was in the mix. :thumbdown:Maybe you shouldn't ask stupid questions if you don't want to get stupid answers. There are about 9,000 threads in the shark pool already about the RB situation in Carolina. If you already know it is RBBC, then what the heck are you asking?
you're right....it was a misinformed question...i haven't kept up on every single team's roster...i'll try not to piss in the pool again. however, no need to be a dink about it either.
Dink?I'm really not in a great mood, so how about this: if I ever posted anything like you did in the thread above, I'd be embarrassed. I tried to play it off light by being just being a bit of a smart ### while actually answering your questions (pretty standard around here), but now that you've decided to call out my post (out of the several that mocked you) and then have proceeded to call me names when I was actually the only one helping you out, I think you need to know exactly how stupid you are.First off, when someone says "unquestioned #1" it means a role like LT or SJax, where they get to play all snaps unless hurt, exhausted or the game is out of reach. And when you say someone is a "#2" that means they are a backup, like Ladell Betts or Michael Turner used to be. It was clear you hadn't an earthly clue what was going on in Carolina, so I merely pointed out that it is as pure a 50/50 (maybe 60/40) situation as you can get right now.... it's like MJD & Fred Taylor, like Julius Jones & MBIII were last year.You see, even though I was being a smart ###, I actually answered you question adequately. Then you had to post something asinine about me not providing any insight, when in fact I provided way more info than you seemed to have at the time (and more than anyone else gave). Then when I further indicate where you can find what you actually want to know, you call me a dink and make a snide comment about you not knowing about roster moves when I certainly wasn't the only one calling you out on that.So the fact is that, while being a smartass, I actually was helping you figure some things out, but since you aren't bright enough to figure it out, I'll spell them out for you clearly:1) Always do a search for your questions first. It saves you the harassment you received here tonight. Just posting a question in the first thread you jump in is not efficient or effective.2) When someone mocks you a bit after you've made some mistakes, respond with either of these two smilies ( :bag: or :thumbup: ) and be on your way. You made the mistake and this isn't girl scouts so you're going to hear about it. Expect it and don't act like a punk when it happens. It happens to everyone.3) Read posts carefully and appreciate any response, even ones that are rude, because they are actually giving you what you want, the information. If you want your ego massaged and your feelings protected....well....don't forget your purse when you leave.HTH
 
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so is Deangelo williams the unquestioned #1 in carolina? with Stewart #2? what's the consensus on this situation? Where is Foster in the mix?
I'm just going to take a wild stab at things and suggest that it *may* be a running back by committee.I'm no expert, though.
that's obvious. thanks for no insight whatsoever.
Dude.You asked if Deangelo was the "unquestioned #1" and where Foster was in the mix. :mellow:Maybe you shouldn't ask stupid questions if you don't want to get stupid answers. There are about 9,000 threads in the shark pool already about the RB situation in Carolina. If you already know it is RBBC, then what the heck are you asking?
you're right....it was a misinformed question...i haven't kept up on every single team's roster...i'll try not to piss in the pool again. however, no need to be a dink about it either.
Dink?I'm really not in a great mood, so how about this: if I ever posted anything like you did in the thread above, I'd be embarrassed. I tried to play it off light by being just being a bit of a smart ### while actually answering your questions (pretty standard around here), but now that you've decided to call out my post (out of the several that mocked you) and then have proceeded to call me names when I was actually the only one helping you out, I think you need to know exactly how stupid you are.First off, when someone says "unquestioned #1" it means a role like LT or SJax, where they get to play all snaps unless hurt, exhausted or the game is out of reach. And when you say someone is a "#2" that means they are a backup, like Ladell Betts or Michael Turner used to be. It was clear you hadn't an earthly clue what was going on in Carolina, so I merely pointed out that it is as pure a 50/50 (maybe 60/40) situation as you can get right now.... it's like MJD & Fred Taylor, like Julius Jones & MBIII were last year.You see, even though I was being a smart ###, I actually answered you question adequately. Then you had to post something asinine about me not providing any insight, when in fact I provided way more info than you seemed to have at the time (and more than anyone else gave). Then when I further indicate where you can find what you actually want to know, you call me a dink and make a snide comment about you not knowing about roster moves when I certainly wasn't the only one calling you out on that.So the fact is that, while being a smartass, I actually was helping you figure some things out, but since you aren't bright enough to figure it out, I'll spell them out for you clearly:1) Always do a search for your questions first. It saves you the harassment you received here tonight. Just posting a question in the first thread you jump in is not efficient or effective.2) When someone mocks you a bit after you've made some mistakes, respond with either of these two smilies ( :bag: or :doh: ) and be on your way. You made the mistake and this isn't girl scouts so you're going to hear about it. Expect it and don't act like a punk when it happens. It happens to everyone.3) Read posts carefully and appreciate any response, even ones that are rude, because they are actually giving you what you want, the information. If you want your ego massaged and your feelings protected....well....don't forget your purse when you leave.HTH
This should be pinned. :goodposting:
 
Since there are two threads on the Panthers and this game... I will duplicate my post on the Jonathon Stewart thread that I starter a few days ago.

Panthers highlight vs. the Redskins :lmao: :lmao:

Take a look at the great push Peppers had against Samuels forcing the fumble by Campbell and even picking up the loose ball. Peppers looks to be back in a BIG way and looks to want to get paid this year as he is in his last year of his contract. Beason looked great too and Na'll Diggs also had a nice game on D. The DL had four sacks from four different players including Charles Johnson... who looks like he may be earning the other DE starter's job opposite Peppers.

The video also shows some of the other nice runs by both DW and JStew so you can see it was not only the TD highlights but some other nice runs that each of them had. Also check out the great catch by Dante Rosario on his TD. He is a name to remember and watch on the WW as I think he will be worth a pickup at some point when it becomes evident that he will play a role in the passing game. IMO he looks like he has surprassed Jeff King as the starter and combines nice speed and catches the ball well. Of course you can not watch this video without some Steve Smith so for those of you that have drafted him in the third down despite his 2 game suspension... sit back and enjoy what you will get starting game 3. The guy just flat out makes plays! :lmao: :clap:

 
The Jags have been trying to be what the Panthers appear to be right now, which is pretty interesting considering the Panthers were dreadful due to injuries last year.

Stewart earned my top score ever given to a player in the RSP, but Williams was my #2 RB in the 2006 RSP. Both were very patient with enough breakaway speed to get the job done on long runs. This is going to be an excellent committee situation. As far as fantasy prospects for both, think of the Fred Taylor-MJD committee with a more explosive passing game and better pass rushing defense.

 
For those that would like to see this game again, it is currently being replayed on the NFL Network (212 on DTV). You can see the entire game. :no:

 

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