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Highly ranked players you want no part of... (1 Viewer)

machogrande said:
eoMMan said:
As you can see, you can find a knock on almost every guy in the top 30 rankings. Every guy has his positives/negatives.
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:thumbup: LT & Manning were the only players I used to feel that way about, now thats over with LT's knee injury & Mannings surgery / absence from camp.Brady I guess? He's about the only player I would have absolute confidence in to perform to his ADP.
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Even with Brady his ADP is based on the spike he saw last season to nearly 500 fantasy points. His second highest fantasy output was 322, and he's never missed a game so health was never a contributing factor. Also, last season his RB's were injured and this season they appear healthier and deeper so they may not have to rely on the pass as much as they did last season.
 
AnonymousBob said:
I Am Rick James said:
Historically, HALF of the players in the first and second rounds bust! I say these 3 are likely to make the bust list.

As Yudkin already pointed out, the reason guys bust is because they get hurt. I don't think that's something you're capable of predicting.

LJ- was busting before he got hurt last year and no reason to believe he will be better

He was on pace for a top ten finish last season...so if he gets hurt again then he'll certainly not live up to expectations. If he stays healthy he'll at live up to his ADP or better.

Gore- Horrifically bad O and Martz won't be able to make injury prone Gore produce anywhere near his ADP

Injury prone Gore? How long in the NFL until you start dismissing college? Gore has not been injury prone in his three seasons thus far.

SJax- must be the dreds but he seems to bust most years but is drafted highly regardless. His O is declining badly and I'm not even considering the holdout.

His o-line was falling apart last year and he did quite well when healthy. Though I'm not that high on him either. Relatively speaking of course. Btw, if you want to label a guy injury prone SJax fits that bill better than Gore.
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As baconisgood said;"You can't just double LJs production. LT, Edge, Portis and Barber are the only 4 out of the top 12 who didn't miss time last year. If your increasing ALL RBs who missed time to a full season then LJs is ~15th in the league, def a bust for a top 5 pick."

RB3 giving you RB15 production when HEALTHY is a bust.

 
Westbrook (ADP 3) - I'd like him better at the end of the 1st

Brady (ADP 6)- paying for last year's stats, not going to come close to that again, much better value at the position elsewhere

R. Moss (ADP 9) - same as Brady

P. Manning (ADP 12) - too many questions, I also think the Colts are in for a dip - playing the Jags and the Titans twice is rough

Grant (ADP 19) - not sold on his talent or situation

Andre Johnson (ADP 22) - other receivers I like better than him going later

Jamal Lewis (ADP 25) - good situation but I think he's running on empty

Laurence Maroney (ADP 35) - crowded backfield, eliminated from entire games due to coaching/gameplanning

 
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davearm said:
Jackson -- 4 years, 1 top 10 finish, and now a holdout. Pass.Gore -- A 49er offensive player in the 1st round? Not a chance. Unless it's someone like Bryant Johnson as a WR4/5, I want no part of that mess, Martz or no Martz.Jones-Drew -- way too dependent on TDs for my taste.Jacobs -- this talk of the Giants "playing the hot hand" week to week does not sit well.Maroney -- just way too many mouths to feed there (RB and otherwise), and too much variation in the gameplan week-to-week.Lewis -- just can't get past the fact this guy had his owners pulling their hair out two years in a row in 05 and 06.Graham -- not sold on him, or TB.Turner -- I'll let someone else make a strong buy into that offense.Brown -- way too many red flags. A Johnson -- way too prominent in the injury news already.Burress -- see A Johnson.Calvin Johnson, Roy Williams -- I'll let someone else overpay for two guys that will fight for a not-so-big pie. Williams has been WR29, WR30, WR10, and WR33 in 4 years.Targets:LT, Westy, and Portis at their round 1 ADPs.LJ in the second will be good value.McGahee in the 3rd could be a steal. OLine is more of a concern than the knee or Rice.I like spending a late 2nd on Manning, or a 3/4 on Romo/Brees/Palmer, or even Roth. I see real separation from the next tier.Parker, Jones as strong RB2s available in the late 3rd or 4th.
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I didnt want this post to go unnoticed. Agree with most here dave, and thanks especially for explaining your rationale. Im taking notes, here.
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From this list you may have a hard time FINDING a RB2. However, I do agree with an earlier post. EVERY player in the NFL can be downgraded if you're looking to. Thats why we play the game!
 
Barber is going middle of the 1st round which is way too high

I'd avoid Brandon Marshall and Javon Walker as well

 
flooredyas said:
fo shizzle said:
davearm said:
Jackson -- 4 years, 1 top 10 finish, and now a holdout. Pass.Gore -- A 49er offensive player in the 1st round? Not a chance. Unless it's someone like Bryant Johnson as a WR4/5, I want no part of that mess, Martz or no Martz.Jones-Drew -- way too dependent on TDs for my taste.Jacobs -- this talk of the Giants "playing the hot hand" week to week does not sit well.Maroney -- just way too many mouths to feed there (RB and otherwise), and too much variation in the gameplan week-to-week.Lewis -- just can't get past the fact this guy had his owners pulling their hair out two years in a row in 05 and 06.Graham -- not sold on him, or TB.Turner -- I'll let someone else make a strong buy into that offense.Brown -- way too many red flags. A Johnson -- way too prominent in the injury news already.Burress -- see A Johnson.Calvin Johnson, Roy Williams -- I'll let someone else overpay for two guys that will fight for a not-so-big pie. Williams has been WR29, WR30, WR10, and WR33 in 4 years.Targets:LT, Westy, and Portis at their round 1 ADPs.LJ in the second will be good value.McGahee in the 3rd could be a steal. OLine is more of a concern than the knee or Rice.I like spending a late 2nd on Manning, or a 3/4 on Romo/Brees/Palmer, or even Roth. I see real separation from the next tier.Parker, Jones as strong RB2s available in the late 3rd or 4th.
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I didnt want this post to go unnoticed. Agree with most here dave, and thanks especially for explaining your rationale. Im taking notes, here.
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From this list you may have a hard time FINDING a RB2. However, I do agree with an earlier post. EVERY player in the NFL can be downgraded if you're looking to. Thats why we play the game!
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;) Of the first 20 or 25 highest ranked RBs, I named 9 guys I don't like, and 7 I do like. That leaves another half dozen or so I'm indifferent on. I certainly don't feel like I'm going to have a hard time finding two RBs worth taking in the first few rounds.
 
Ryan Grant ~ not sold on him and wouldn't be surprised to see him lose joba t some pt
Wes Welker ~ white WR, nuff said :hophead:
Thomas Jones ~ fossil IMO, has NEVER, EVER been good yet ADP is 43...wouldn't take him at 53, 16 TD's L3 yrs :whistle:
Earnest Graham ~ come on, ADP of 33... 3 career 100 yard, incl games of 102 & 106...flash in the pan, Caddy wins job back by mid-season
MIchael Turner ~ I won't be that guy ... not a chance, see LaMont Jordan
FWP ~ unless he drops about 2 rounds...feast or famine for him
theremaybemore :football:

 
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Jeff Haseley said:
Frank Gore - Never more than 8 rushing TDs in a season, plus Martz has not been kind to his RBs recently. Add in the fact that SF has no bona fide QB and that spells - - continues to spell offensive doom for the 49ers.
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What he said.
 
Northbound Train said:
Ryan Grant ~ not sold on him and wouldn't be surprised to see him lose joba t some pt
Wes Welker ~ white WR, nuff said :wall:
Thomas Jones ~ fossil IMO, has NEVER, EVER been good yet ADP is 43...wouldn't take him at 53, 16 TD's L3 yrs :thumbup:
Earnest Graham ~ come on, ADP of 33... 3 career 100 yard, incl games of 102 & 106...flash in the pan, Caddy wins job back by mid-season
MIchael Turner ~ I won't be that guy ... not a chance, see LaMont Jordan
FWP ~ unless he drops about 2 rounds...feast or famine for him
theremaybemore :thumbup:
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welker to me regresses less than Rmoss. dude will be a ppr monster.tjones I like as a value play though I suspect that favre addition may incresse his adp

the other guys listed I have no beef with

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
Scruff Mcgruff said:
Frank GoreLarry Johnson
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I am not really getting why LJ is so popular on everyone's list. His ADP is at the end of RD1 beginning of RD2. He's not part of a RBBC and his coach loves to run the ball. He's a solid receiving back and will certainly get the goal line work. They do have other weapons on offense (Bowe/Gonzo) that defenses must respect as well. Obviously the Chiefs are a mess on offense. Their Oline is banged up and their QB play is highly sketchy. But that's the reason he's not a top 5 pick. I think he's going exactly where he should be.
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Good posting sir. I had to check the date of this thread to make sure it wasn't from last year. LJ, wtf? To me there's no difference between him & Lynch.Lee Evans, wtf? What WR is ranked behind him anywhere that shouldn't be? Roddy freaking White is higher on every board.
 
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Kitrick Taylor said:
Scruff Mcgruff said:
Frank Gore

Larry Johnson
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I am not really getting why LJ is so popular on everyone's list. His ADP is at the end of RD1 beginning of RD2. He's not part of a RBBC and his coach loves to run the ball. He's a solid receiving back and will certainly get the goal line work. They do have other weapons on offense (Bowe/Gonzo) that defenses must respect as well. Obviously the Chiefs are a mess on offense. Their Oline is banged up and their QB play is highly sketchy. But that's the reason he's not a top 5 pick. I think he's going exactly where he should be.
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Good posting sir. I had to check the date of this thread to make sure it wasn't from last year. LJ, wtf? To me there's no difference between him & Lynch.

Lee Evans, wtf? What WR is ranked behind him anywhere that shouldn't be? Roddy freaking White is higher on every board.
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I owned Lee Evans last year. Well until I gave him away as a throwin midseason, and never looked back, that is.I'd have him below the likes of Crayton and Burleson. ADPs have those guys going a few rounds after Evans. And taking Chambers/Coles/Cotchery/Driver over Evans are slam dunks IMO.

(FWIW, I'm not going to own Roddy White in any league, either.)

 
joffer said:
that was one funny read :rolleyes:"Gore is a joke" :rolleyes: :lmao: :lmao:
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:blackdot: The guy is a joke. He plays for a very mediocre team with a terrible quarterback. He had under 1600 all purpose yards with just 6 touchdowns. I had him in 4 leagues last year and he sucked. He thew up clunkers left and right. Go ahead, draft him in the first round. It actually may get you by in that "office league" you've been dominating.
 
Northbound Train said:
Ryan Grant ~ not sold on him and wouldn't be surprised to see him lose joba t some pt
Thomas Jones ~ fossil IMO, has NEVER, EVER been good yet ADP is 43...wouldn't take him at 53, 16 TD's L3 yrs :blackdot:
Earnest Graham ~ come on, ADP of 33... 3 career 100 yard, incl games of 102 & 106...flash in the pan, Caddy wins job back by mid-season
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Ignorance is bliss, I suppose . . .Graham had 11 games with double digit carries and put up:

56/1 (total yards/TDs)

46/0

191/0

74/0

137/1

108/1

84/1

143/1

106/2

119/1

90/1 (playoffs)

That works out to 105 and 0.82 per game.

In the same number of games with double digit touches, Grant had:

111/0

92/0

139/1

90/0

132/1

98/2

162/1

60/1

109/1

207/3 (Playoffs)

26/0 (Playoffs)

That worls out to 111 and 0.91 per game.

As I posted in other threads, Thomas Jones has had 4 straight years of at least 1300 yards from scrimmage (only Jones, Ede, and LT did that). And BTW, the Jets made some decent upgrades to their OL and brought in Favre. IMO, no way does he the end zone only 2 times this year.

 
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Okay, I'll toss my hat in

Ryan Grant: Not sold on the one year, I think RBBC with Jackson, and he is now a known entity
Larry Fitzgerald - Not sold on Leinart at the helm all year long
FWP - Mendenhall is going to be a TD vulture
Larry Johnson - No QB, No OL, no decent fullback = No chance
Ronnie Brown - 1 Year ACL injury.... never a good thing
Michael Turner - I just don't see him as a featured back.. I think Norwood steals more touches than we thinkWho am I high on?

Frank Gore - Everyone is down on him, which is fine by me. Say what you want about Martz, but he also created the Marshall Faulk phenomena. To be honest, over the last few years Martz has not had a RB that was healthy for a season. Detroit with Injury Jones, Tatum, and everyone else under the sun just didn't fit the bill. I see Gore catching a lot of passes and in a PPR league, he's top 5.
Clinton Portis - Should be back on track this year
Thomas Jones - I think he ends up Top 15.
 
Yudkin partially stole my thunder (I love when he owns with facts..love it), but..

1. The more i read threads like this the more I love Ryan Grant. Id like to see the hammy healthy before my draft but i will be thrilled to have him this year. Good defense, cold weather, young, low mileage, beast last year.. love him.

2. I just get the feeling that those of you in the "no way i take LJ in the first round camp" would wet yourself if he was there in the early 2nd as a RB2. And late first is not materially different than early 2nd. "Dude i got Larry Johnson as my RB2..thats crazy!!!111" Reminds me of Portis last year.

 
I see LJ as potentially having a Curtis Martinesque season circa 2002 or 2003 (lots of carries, not a great ypc, not a ton of TD, decent reception total on a team that struggles to score). Still 325-350 touches, but not a lot out of it. See also JAMES, Edgerrin (in Arizona).

 
Gr00vus said:
joffer said:
Saint said:
Ryan Grant: Not sold on the one year, I think RBBC with Jackson, and he is now a known entity
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i don't get this, Jackson more of a known entity than Grant?
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I think he meant Grant is now a known entity, which I assume means his ADP is over inflated as a result.
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Well, it could mean he's over inflated, I took it to mean that defenses will know what to expect with Grant since he's been playing for a year now, which might in turn mean he's over inflated.
 
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joffer said:
Saint said:
Ryan Grant: Not sold on the one year, I think RBBC with Jackson, and he is now a known entity
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i don't get this, Jackson more of a known entity than Grant?
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I think he meant Grant is now a known entity, which I assume means his ADP is over inflated as a result.
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Sorry for the confusion. Yes, this is what I meant. Last year Grant was an unknown with the RB mess in GB. Once he solidified the position, most of the defensive plays against GB were focused more towards pass than run. Now, am I downgrading because he is now a known entity, not quite. I am just pointing out he isn't going to surprise people this year. Now with Rodgers in, can the GB pass offense stay as productive as they were with Farve. I am not entirely sold on that. So I see teams stacking against some of the runs with GB, I think it is going to be harder for Grant to live up to his ADP.In addition, with a healthy Brandon Jackson and the reports out of the camp, can we honestly say Grant is not going to be in a RBBC? I'm not sure we can with only one year of history. Hence, I downgraded him, unless I can get good value in the draft position.
 
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fo shizzle said:
On the flipside with Favre gone the club might actually consider running the ball in the redzone every now and then.
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True, but then again, it also depends on if it will be Grant each time or some kind of mix.... Just a lot of risk if you are going to burn a 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
kupcho1 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
kupcho1 said:
LT

I don't have the 1st pick in my redraft league, but if I did, I'd either deal it or go with AP.

LT 2008 = Shaun Alexander 2006

Alexander came into the league in 2000, but did not play much due to Watters (339 rush attempts). LT entered the league in 2001 and was immediately thrust into the starting role (339 rush attempts). LT has averaged 338 rushes per year, never rushed less than 313 times (2003). I think LT's due for a breakdown, much like Alexander broke down a few years ago. This is the year it begins.
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What the hell, I'm bored. Propose some terms (LT 08 = SA 06 would appear to be difficult to collect on: statistics instead?)
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ok, sig betI bet LT's year end RB ranking (fbg scoring) will be higher than SA's 06 ranking.
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I don't do sig bets. I will do money bets (and am good for it; if you need references, let me know :hifive: )Hmmm, Shaun Alexander ranked 28th (for 17 weeks per my old mfl site; standard scoring (1 per 10 yds; 6 for tds) no ppr)

Let's go with this: if LT ranks outside of the top 24 backs (i.e., not worth an RB1 or RB2 slot) for the season (full 17 weeks), I win. Otherwise, if he's even the 24th best back, you win. Obviously, I'm taking the longshot position here, but I won't ask for odds (I'm the one saying I'd stay away from LT after all).

What do you think

(and on an odd note, I tried to respond to this Thu AM Shanghai time from the NWA lounge at Pudong - FBG forums are blocked! Please keep the Tibetan kicker chatter to a minimum in the future guys. TIA)

 
Comparing LT to Alexander? Alexander was a product of the o-line... as soon as it left town he was exposed. What massive changes happened in SD that I haven't heard about? With no real changes to his team, LT's numbers should be consistent with last years numbers... unless he gets hurt. But I'm not going to play physic and guess when a player is going to get injured. I'll take him #1 overall in all leagues except where 6 points per pass TD are awarded... I would consider Brady @ #1 in that format.

 
kupcho1 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
kupcho1 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
kupcho1 said:
LT

I don't have the 1st pick in my redraft league, but if I did, I'd either deal it or go with AP.

LT 2008 = Shaun Alexander 2006

Alexander came into the league in 2000, but did not play much due to Watters (339 rush attempts). LT entered the league in 2001 and was immediately thrust into the starting role (339 rush attempts). LT has averaged 338 rushes per year, never rushed less than 313 times (2003). I think LT's due for a breakdown, much like Alexander broke down a few years ago. This is the year it begins.
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Bolded = horrible postingBET??
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What the hell, I'm bored. Propose some terms (LT 08 = SA 06 would appear to be difficult to collect on: statistics instead?)
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ok, sig betI bet LT's year end RB ranking (fbg scoring) will be higher than SA's 06 ranking.
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I don't do sig bets. I will do money bets (and am good for it; if you need references, let me know :shrug: )Hmmm, Shaun Alexander ranked 28th (for 17 weeks per my old mfl site; standard scoring (1 per 10 yds; 6 for tds) no ppr)

Let's go with this: if LT ranks outside of the top 24 backs (i.e., not worth an RB1 or RB2 slot) for the season (full 17 weeks), I win. Otherwise, if he's even the 24th best back, you win. Obviously, I'm taking the longshot position here, but I won't ask for odds (I'm the one saying I'd stay away from LT after all).

What do you think

(and on an odd note, I tried to respond to this Thu AM Shanghai time from the NWA lounge at Pudong - FBG forums are blocked! Please keep the Tibetan kicker chatter to a minimum in the future guys. TIA)
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Jambi said:
joffer said:
that was one funny read :lmao:"Gore is a joke" :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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:popcorn: The guy is a joke. He plays for a very mediocre team with a terrible quarterback. He had under 1600 all purpose yards with just 6 touchdowns. I had him in 4 leagues last year and he sucked. He thew up clunkers left and right. Go ahead, draft him in the first round. It actually may get you by in that "office league" you've been dominating.
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Name the OC for SF last year. Let me add that I am no Martz fan but he is an upgrade of monumental proportions over last year's real joke in SF.
 
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David Yudkin said:
Northbound Train said:
Ryan Grant ~ not sold on him and wouldn't be surprised to see him lose joba t some pt
Thomas Jones ~ fossil IMO, has NEVER, EVER been good yet ADP is 43...wouldn't take him at 53, 16 TD's L3 yrs :thumbdown:
Earnest Graham ~ come on, ADP of 33... 3 career 100 yard, incl games of 102 & 106...flash in the pan, Caddy wins job back by mid-season
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Ignorance is bliss, I suppose . . .Graham had 11 games with double digit carries and put up:

56/1 (total yards/TDs)

46/0

191/0

74/0

137/1

108/1

84/1

143/1

106/2

119/1

90/1 (playoffs)

That works out to 105 and 0.82 per game.

In the same number of games with double digit touches, Grant had:

111/0

92/0

139/1

90/0

132/1

98/2

162/1

60/1

109/1

207/3 (Playoffs)

26/0 (Playoffs)

That worls out to 111 and 0.91 per game.

As I posted in other threads, Thomas Jones has had 4 straight years of at least 1300 yards from scrimmage (only Jones, Ede, and LT did that). And BTW, the Jets made some decent upgrades to their OL and brought in Favre. IMO, no way does he the end zone only 2 times this year.
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yeah, i dont get the no love for Graham. Hes the #1 guy in Tampa. People are worried about Caddy but Caddy hasn't even been cleared for contact so he won't be a factor until very late in the season ... and he had a pretty nasty injury so i won't be surprised if he doesn't take a snap all season. I gladly picked up Graham as my RB3 ... he'll get more carries than guys like MJD or Jacobs. Ialso picked up Gore at #11. People are avoiding them and im more than happy to scoop them up.
 
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kupcho1 said:
kupcho1 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
kupcho1 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
kupcho1 said:
LT

I don't have the 1st pick in my redraft league, but if I did, I'd either deal it or go with AP.

LT 2008 = Shaun Alexander 2006

Alexander came into the league in 2000, but did not play much due to Watters (339 rush attempts). LT entered the league in 2001 and was immediately thrust into the starting role (339 rush attempts). LT has averaged 338 rushes per year, never rushed less than 313 times (2003). I think LT's due for a breakdown, much like Alexander broke down a few years ago. This is the year it begins.
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Bolded = horrible postingBET??
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What the hell, I'm bored. Propose some terms (LT 08 = SA 06 would appear to be difficult to collect on: statistics instead?)
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ok, sig betI bet LT's year end RB ranking (fbg scoring) will be higher than SA's 06 ranking.
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I don't do sig bets. I will do money bets (and am good for it; if you need references, let me know :rolleyes: )Hmmm, Shaun Alexander ranked 28th (for 17 weeks per my old mfl site; standard scoring (1 per 10 yds; 6 for tds) no ppr)

Let's go with this: if LT ranks outside of the top 24 backs (i.e., not worth an RB1 or RB2 slot) for the season (full 17 weeks), I win. Otherwise, if he's even the 24th best back, you win. Obviously, I'm taking the longshot position here, but I won't ask for odds (I'm the one saying I'd stay away from LT after all).

What do you think

(and on an odd note, I tried to respond to this Thu AM Shanghai time from the NWA lounge at Pudong - FBG forums are blocked! Please keep the Tibetan kicker chatter to a minimum in the future guys. TIA)
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sniff on vacation or something?
 
To all the Maroney haters out there, and even just the avoiders...

The Patriots will be much more of a rushing team this year.

Learn it . . . Live it . . . Love it

Belichick, more so than any other coach, goes with what will work. If you look at the Patriots schedule this year, they go against many really bad rush defenses, and not many bad pass defenses...

Here is the 2008 schedule with their opponent's 2007 fantasy points per game, or combined TDs and yards, rankings...

Team Rushing Passing

KC.......23...........03

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

bye

SF.......17...........22

SD......15...........13

Den.....30...........12

StL......25...........23

Ind......12...........01

Buf......26...........21

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

Pit.......02...........04

Sea.....21...........07

Oak.....32...........05

Ari.......14...........27

Buf......26...........21

Yes, those rankings will change this year, teams like Mia will probably be much better against the rush, but the trend of lighter running schedule compared to passing schedule should still be true.

Rushing

1 in the 10 - 01

3 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

8 in the 32 - 26

Or 4 games against top half rushing Ds, and 12 against bottom half

Passing

7 in the 10 - 01

4 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

1 in the 32 - 26

Or 11 games against top half passing Ds, and 5 against bottom half

So, what has the team done? Dropped Dante Stallworth without replacing him, and added Lemont Jordan. This seems to say the emphasis will be more on the running game.

I'm not saying that they will be a bad passing team, just nowhere near last year, probably around 10th, which is closer to their normal production with Brady.

This leaves more opportunities for the RB, and the starter is Maroney. At the end of the last season, when they did start running more, his per game average was 19.6 carries, 102 yards and 1.3 TDs. That's not bad. He could very easily finish as a top 10 RB this year, which is much higher then his current ADP of RB17.

 
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To all the Maroney haters out there, and even just the avoiders...The Patriots will be much more of a rushing team this year.Learn it . . . Live it . . . Love itBelichick, more so than any other coach, goes with what will work. If you look at the Patriots schedule this year, they go against many really bad rush defenses, and not many bad pass defenses...Here is the 2008 schedule with their opponent's 2007 fantasy points per game, or combined TDs and yards, rankings...Team Rushing PassingKC.......23...........03NYJ......28...........06Mia......31...........16byeSF.......17...........22SD......15...........13Den.....30...........12StL......25...........23Ind......12...........01Buf......26...........21NYJ......28...........06Mia......31...........16Pit.......02...........04Sea.....21...........07Oak.....32...........05Ari.......14...........27Buf......26...........21Yes, those rankings will change this year, teams like Mia will probably be much better against the rush, but the trend of lighter running schedule compared to passing schedule should still be true.Rushing1 in the 10 - 013 in the 16 - 114 in the 25 - 178 in the 32 – 26Or 4 games against top half rushing Ds, and 12 against bottom halfPassing7 in the 10 - 012 in the 16 - 116 in the 25 - 171 in the 32 – 26Or 11 games against top half passing Ds, and 5 against bottom halfSo, what has the team done? Dropped Dante Stallworth without replacing him, and added Lemont Jordan. This seems to say the emphasis will be more on the running game.I'm not saying that they will be a bad passing team, just nowhere near last year, probably around 10th, which is closer to their normal production with Brady.This leaves more opportunities for the RB, and the starter is Maroney. At the end of the last season, when they did start running more, his per game average was 19.6 carries, 102 yards and 1.3 TDs. That's not bad. He could very easily finish as a top 10 RB this year, which is much higher then his current ADP of RB17.
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Nice analysis . . . except I'm not buying it. The Pats lost Stallworth and did not replace him . . .because they have Chad Jackson. Net change, minimal. THe Pats added Jordan because after Morris got hurt last year, they had Maroney . . . and really no one else.You left off the other past of the Pats stats from last year . . .the part where they lit teams up passing the ball. Here's how Brady did against last year's Top 10 pass defenses:NYJ 297/3MIA 354/6WAS 306/3IND 255/3PIT 399/4NYJ 140/0 (in a monsoon, so I'll give him a mulligan)MIA 215/3NYG 356/2Maroney has had 20 carries 4 times in 33 games. They added a RB. THey don't need Maroney to do much to win and are doomed in the playoffs without him. I'd be surprised if he had more than 225 carries.And the Pats have not been a great rushing team over the years, so I don't see why they would go away from something they were phenomenal at (passing) in favor of something they have not done very well (rushing).But to each his own I guess . . .
 
Jambi said:
joffer said:
that was one funny read :confused:"Gore is a joke" :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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:popcorn: The guy is a joke. He plays for a very mediocre team with a terrible quarterback. He had under 1600 all purpose yards with just 6 touchdowns. I had him in 4 leagues last year and he sucked. He thew up clunkers left and right. Go ahead, draft him in the first round. It actually may get you by in that "office league" you've been dominating.
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I actually traded for him midseason last year and he averaged 100+ yds the rest of the season, while taking me to the Fantasy Superbowl. If you think that's a joke you must NOT be dominating any leagues. 1600 multipurpose yards is not bad for a horrible offense (ADP got 1609), and Gore can only better those numbers this year with an improved offense.
 
Tom Brady -- His 2008 numbers will be closer to his career averages than to his 2007 stats, and he won't justify his ADP

Ryan Grant -- Someone will ignore the obvious risks (no Favre, maybe a one year wonder) with him in every draft

Earnest Graham -- Yes, Warrick Dunn and Michael Bennett (and about 100 other guys) are good enough to take significant work, particularly in the receiving game

Terrell Owens -- Risk factors: age, injury history, high potential for crazy

Greg Jennings -- Favre is gone, and so are those 2007 TDs

 
twitch said:
Jambi said:
LT - Will be lucky to crack the top 5 RBs. History has taught us that a RB can not keep up top production year after year. He should have dropped up significantly last year. We saw more then a few glimpses of what he's going to show us this year. He's lost it.Gore :wub: Gore is a joke. Why do people continue to attach his name to a mid 1st round pick? Moss - Will be going way too high. Now I wouldn't say I want no part of him but his ADP will be way too high for me to grab him.Steve Smith - His magical days are behind him. :blackdot:
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:lmao: Dude, just take the year off.
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So far, so good except for Gore.
 
Raider Nation said:
twitch said:
Jambi said:
LT - Will be lucky to crack the top 5 RBs. History has taught us that a RB can not keep up top production year after year. He should have dropped up significantly last year. We saw more then a few glimpses of what he's going to show us this year. He's lost it.Gore :thumbup: Gore is a joke. Why do people continue to attach his name to a mid 1st round pick? Moss - Will be going way too high. Now I wouldn't say I want no part of him but his ADP will be way too high for me to grab him.Steve Smith - His magical days are behind him. :thumbup:
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:lmao: Dude, just take the year off.
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So far, so good except for Gore.
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LT and Moss is impressive but Steve Smith hasn't played a game yet. I bet he explodes this week.
 
Jeff Haseley said:
Frank Gore - Never more than 8 rushing TDs in a season, plus Martz has not been kind to his RBs recently. Add in the fact that SF has no bona fide QB and that spells - - continues to spell offensive doom for the 49ers.

Earnest Graham - I will virtually wager my paycheck that Graham doesn't reach 10 rushing TDs again this season. The Bucs offense is aging and it won't be long before Cadillac Williams returns to the huddle. Throw in Warrick Dunn and it's just too unlikely that Graham will finish anywhere near where he did last year.

Larry Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald will not have the same high targets and consistency that he did last year if Matt Leinart remains the Cardinals QB. If he reaches mid 80s receptions with Leinart playing all year, I will be surprised.
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Warner is the starter, not Leinart
 
kupcho1 said:
LTI don't have the 1st pick in my redraft league, but if I did, I'd either deal it or go with AP. LT 2008 = Shaun Alexander 2006Alexander came into the league in 2000, but did not play much due to Watters (339 rush attempts). LT entered the league in 2001 and was immediately thrust into the starting role (339 rush attempts). LT has averaged 338 rushes per year, never rushed less than 313 times (2003). I think LT's due for a breakdown, much like Alexander broke down a few years ago. This is the year it begins.
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moderated said:
QB'sCarson Palmer - INT machine and a choke artist with no heartMcNabb - always hurt and can't run anymore with his shot kneesRB'sLarry "LisFranc" Johnson - won't play more then 10 games and the KC offense is horrendous. Got his payday last year and doesn't care about football anymoreRyan Grant - RBBC with BJ this season.WR'sTJ Housh - Cinci offense will be a trainwreck this year. Guy has never broken 1,200 yards yet is ranked as a top 5 WR on FBG's??? Like WhooaaaaaRoy "tin man" Williams - Has no heart, doesn't work hard, is always hurt...no thanks i'll pass on this over-rated loser
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:banned: Some unbelievable calls here. Outside of the McNabb one (which could still hit once he gets injured) these were not only good but home runs. All the calls have not only under perfomred but they have underperformed in a drastic way.I think were all learning why i'm known as the Nostradamus of FF. :pics:
 
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