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Game Thread W1 - Cincinnati V Baltimore (1 Viewer)

roadkill1292 said:
Very big 4th down stop by Ray Ray at the 25, Ratbirds hanging on with 7 min left.
that was the worst play call ever. "Gee we're not getting much going on the o-line, let's try to run it down their throat for a yard." They should have spread the field or thrown. Seriously. Ravens tried to give this game away to us but we wouldn't take it. Gonna be a long year.They should start getting the young receivers involved by about week 6 and turn the dial down on Chad, since I don't see him and Marvin in our long range* plans.-QG*-long range = '09
 
I live on the westcoast so I couldn't see the game, but I got palmer on my team. How bad was Cinci's O-line today or was raven's def really impressive?

 
I live on the westcoast so I couldn't see the game, but I got palmer on my team. How bad was Cinci's O-line today or was raven's def really impressive?
bit of both. As a Bengals fan I can't say I'm expecting great things for us vs. Tennessee next week.-QG
 
roadkill1292 said:
Hard to gauge the Ravens from this game. While the Bengals have never been able to match Baltimore in physicality, they have been able to score. But the Ravens completely stifled Palmer, Ocho Cinco and Housh today. Wasn't expecting that.

Flacco was an improvement over Boller in that he didn't make any devastating mistakes and, in fact, picked up a couple of timely first downs with his arm. He won't run for a 38 yard score every week but he stays cool and is more accurate than Boller, and probably Troy Smith as well.

The real key today was how Baltimore ran the ball, 200+ yards rushing, without Willis, split pretty evenly between Rice and McClain. Cameron ran a whole bunch of unbalanced line today, which was new, and Cincy had no answer for the thunder coming at them with McClain running behind Lo Neal and the big kids on the left side. I don't think the Ratbirds can do that against everybody but teams who are a little light defensively up front are gonna struggle to stop that kind of beef.
:X I thought Flacco looked really good. There were at least 6 drops that were entirely on the receivers (including 2 that would've been TDs), which made his numbers look worse than he actually played. Plus there were 2 costly fumbles when the Ravens were driving.

My God, it was amazing to watch an offense running plays that actually made sense. After years of head-scratching play calling from Billick & his minions, Cam semed to (gasp!) have a plan & (double gasp!) made adjustments during the game.

Cincy looked horrible on O. As roadkill said, even when the Ravens D has been in top form it seems Cincy's been able to score on them. At one point late in the 3rd quarter, I think TJ & 85 had a combined 1 catch. The Ravens D looked strong, but Cincy seemed out of synch.

I still think it's going mto be a long season for the Ravens as their margin for error is almost nil (those mistakes yesterday whould have cost them the game against a good team), but they should be competitive against most teams.

 
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These are my initial observations, made without watching the game a second (third, fourth) time yet.

Excellent game plan and play calling by Cameron.

Flacco looked like he has much of the preseason. Calm. From what I have read, heard, seen, he comes off as the type who learns from mistakes and doesn't make the same mistake twice.

Was given the ability to check off to other plays (probably very simple ones), but was able to read the defense on several plays and get the Ravens into a play that gained yardage. Didn't audible into a four yard loss, for example.

As stated earlier, there were several balls that could have been caught that would make his completion/yardage stats look better. Todd Heap dropped a TD pass, and Ray Rice dropped a pass that could have gone for big yardage.

There are some plays that you can tell that Flacco is a rookie. His reads were sometimes slow, so that by the time he threw the ball, the defender was able to make a play on the ball. His footwork on handoffs needs to improve; he needs to get the ball back there a split second faster. Might be part of the tradeoff of having a QB of his size. Both of those problems are correctable.

The 38-yard TD run came on a busted play where Flacco missed the handoff. He had the presence of mind to realize where the blocking was, and his run was the type of thing that gets a team and home crowd behind him. (The crowd was chanting "Let's go Flacco!" several times during the game; the type of thing we haven't had around here since the C-O-L-T-S and Shake and Bake chants of the mid seventies).

Even bigger was the double reverse that Mark Clayton scored on. Flacco made TWO(!) blocks downfield.

All in all, as good a performance as one could hope for in a first start.

The offensive line provided good protection overall.

Rice and McClain were okay in the running game. McClain was somewhat of a surprise; while he had carried the ball several times in the preseason, I did not expect him to get 19 carries. The majority of his work came in between the tackles, while Rice ran a lot of sweeps . I will have to go back and watch this again. I don't believe Magahee was really ever going to play. It was close, but I think it was more of a cat and mouse game with the Bengals to make them think he was going to play.

Heap looked like a guy who had not played in some time, which of course he hasn't. Fumbled the first time he was hit, dropped a TD pass. Need improved play here. Went down in the 4th quarter when he landed on a players foot, but came back in later in the game.

Cincy looked bad. I do think that some of the issues were coaching. Marvin Lewis was hell bent on establishing the run, even when they couldn't run. I had heard him on Sirius talking about the run game and how they were going to run, but seeing is believing. The play calling was suspect; the only time the Bengals got into any rhythm all day was when they went to a hurry-up offense mid-way through the 2nd quarter, only to never be used again.

Palmer had no time on several passing plays. Many of those came in obvious passing downs, as the Bengals seem to run A LOT on first and 2nd down. I will go back and look at this again.

Chad Johnson was a non-factor. TJ was covered by Suggs on a lot of passing plays, and wanted a Pass Interference flag on at least two of the incompletions thrown his way.

 
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Cincy looked bad. I do think that some of the issues were coaching. Marvin Lewis was hell bent on establishing the run, even when they couldn't run. I had heard him on Sirius talking about the run game and how they were going to run, but seeing is believing. The play calling was suspect; the only time the Bengals got into any rhythm all day was when they went to a hurry-up offense mid-way through the 2nd quarter, only to never be used again.
I would say this was mostly coaching, it amazes me how Bratkowski still has a job as an offensive coordinator. Any fan that has watched over the past few years knows what plays he is going to call, like that stupid shovel pass. If us normal fans can see this, defensive coordinators no doubt know this. I agree, it will be a long year fo us. I must say, I was impressed with Flacco, pretty solid for a rookie and his first game.
 
roadkill1292 said:
Very big 4th down stop by Ray Ray at the 25, Ratbirds hanging on with 7 min left.
Why don't you kick a field goal here? Over 7 minutes to go, your D finally has some momentum and you give it away?
 
My main question is whether Perry looked as bad as his numbers suggest. 18 carries for 37 yards is pretty much inexcusable. Would like to hear some insight on that.

 
My main question is whether Perry looked as bad as his numbers suggest. 18 carries for 37 yards is pretty much inexcusable. Would like to hear some insight on that.
He was hit at or behind the line a lot, it seemed to me. He didn't look especially quick to my eyes but again, his O Line was horrible. NGata was destroying the inner 3 OL for Cincy by himself.
 
Where was Chad OhNo Stinko today? Gezzzzz
Are you referring to 'Ocho Zero', the legend in his own mind? Over-rated self promoting FF team killer. This will be quite a soap opera in 2008 because they way they played, they look to start he season 1-4 at best. Possibilities of 0-8.
 
Perry looked average at best. Some burst.

To be fair, there really wasn't a lot of running room.

 
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A few other things to add here.

Flacco's TD run was the result of an audible when he read that the defense would eat up the play had he handed the ball off on a reverse. At least some of the players on the Ravens didn't realize what was going on, according to lineman Jason Brown. It would appear the Bengals had no idea either because most of the team went the opposite direction. Randy Cross on Sirius today used the play as an example, saying that the Bengals were lazy on the play; it would appear that it is more likely they were totally faked out on the play, as were most of the Ravens. Important to keep in mind that most talking heads on the television and radio don't have time to break down 16 games on tape.

I would also like to note that Flacco was very accurate with his throws. The ball was right on the money most of the time.

I had written before that the Bengals were successful running the hurry up and abandoned it. Upon further review, I was wrong. The television announcers claimed they were successful, but they LIE. 4 incomplete passes and one PI in 10 plays, with 4 runs for around 15 yards.

 
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