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Tough game Sunday guys. Trap game.

Not sure if this is the right thread to post in, but didn't want to start a new Scheffler thread as it seems there is a new one every week.

Didn't get a chance to watch the game down here in Florida (plus I was watching the Jags), but what's with Graham getting 6 targets? I know the first week against Oakland, Scheff seemed to only play half of the snaps. Was he even on the field, or just relegated to blocking (which would surprise me considering I have heard his blocking skills are not his strong point)?

Thanks for input guys. Good luck the rest of the way.

 
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Cutler - something I've noticed the first couple of games, but hadn't mentioned - dude seems to force the ball way too often. How many times this season has he gunned it into a tiny window, and we are all amazed that he was able to thread the needle. He makes the kind of throws that Plummer wishes he could - in other words, Cutler is making the throws into coverage, whereas Plummer would get picked much more often. That's fine and all, but I think I'd rather see Cutler just throw to the open guy. Yeah, Marshall is pretty good and can catch pretty much anything, but sometimes I'd rather Cutler just toss the ball to Stokley, Scheffler, or Graham 10 yards closer and wide open. Cutler is forcing the ball where he wants to go and he is talented enough to make it happen, but as defenses take note of that, they will be baiting him more often and he will start throwing more pics. KC has shown the way. Just watch what happens this week against the original Tampa 2.
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Cutler reminds me a tad of Favre in that regard; he has such confidence in his arm, that he tries making throws that few others can make, and that sometimes results in ugly interceptions. I would hope that Shanahan would coach him to not do that as much, but he is such an aggressive play-caller that he might figure that it is worth the risk, since Cutler often makes plays with his arm that most QBs could never make. I doubt Shanny wants to handicap that. But yeah, Cutler does need to do a little bit better job of hitting the open receiver in the flat or 10 yards downfield instead of always trying to hit the guy 25 yards downfield. That will come in time, I think. Peyton Manning did the same thing in his early NFL years, and threw a lot of INTs as a result, but over time, became a master of nickel and diming teams that tried to take the deep ball away to death. Also, I read a rumor that the Broncos are interested in trading for Leonard Little from the Rams. Given the sorry state of their pass rush, they are obviously desperate to make a move.

 
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Tough game Sunday guys. Trap game. Not sure if this is the right thread to post in, but didn't want to start a new Scheffler thread as it seems there is a new one every week.Didn't get a chance to watch the game down here in Florida (plus I was watching the Jags), but what's with Graham getting 6 targets? I know the first week against Oakland, Scheff seemed to only play half of the snaps. Was he even on the field, or just relegated to blocking (which would surprise me considering I have heard his blocking skills are not his strong point)?Thanks for input guys. Good luck the rest of the way.
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I think it was a gameplan decision. Shanahan is known for sometimes just totally changing the look or the base offense for a single game. I can recall one game against Kansas City where Denver ran the Wishbone as its base offense, and another game against Detroit where the base offense was a 2-TE/1-RB set where, right before the snap, one of the TEs would drop into the backfield, lining up like a FB and creating an offset i-formation. Lots of fun, out-of-nowhere stuff. Well, against Kansas City, Denver definitely went away from the Spread and back to a more traditional offense than what they'd run in the first three weeks, resulting in more traditional number distributions. I'd expect, going forward, for this to be more of an aberration than a trend, and for Scheffler to get back on track.Remember, too, that the TE position doesn't score as many points, and is therefore never as consistent as the other positions. An elite RB might put up 1600/16, which might mean 80% of his games he puts up 80-120 yards and 75% of his games he scores a TD. An elite TE, on the other hand, is looking more at 800/8, which might mean 80% of his games he puts up 40-60 yards and 40% of his games he scores a TD. That's a lot of 40/0 or 15/1 games resulting from nothing more than simple variance.
 
HORRAY FOR A PASS RUSH!!!!

Much better game today all around. Run D still needs to tighten up - not exactly sure how. I'm not sure if people are out of position or being beaten physically, but the same problems from last year are continuing to plague. While Tampa didn't kill Denver on the ground, they had way too many decent gains. It's not just the 38 yarder by Dunn either - its the six first downs by rushing. Tam just seemed to get yards on the ground in chunks.

Maybe I'm just looking for reason for improvement though, because over all, the D played MUCH better, DL especially. Nice to see some pressure - heck, I even enjoyed Champ getting some pressure too.

On O - Good to see Culter take better care of the ball and spread it around. He did a much better job of finding the open receiver this week than vs KC. Rushing attack - looks healthy. IMO Denver has got to lean on SYoung, Hall, Pittman et. al. more - Balance is what I'm looking for. Right now the play calling is so heavily skewed towards throwing the ball that I'm afraid that Denver is too one-dimensional. Hall, IMO, is the best back on the team.

ST: fantastic job by Prater. Maybe his best game as a pro. 3 for 3, including a 55 yarder that would have been good from 70, and 4-5 for touch-backs on kickoffs, and the lone non-touchback put Tam at the 19. Sure makes the battle for field position easier when the opponent has to go 80 yards each time, and you never hand them the gimmie on the 50.

 
BusMan said:
Ghost Rider said:
Also, I read a rumor that the Broncos are interested in trading for Leonard Little from the Rams. Given the sorry state of their pass rush, they are obviously desperate to make a move.
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Link? That's an interesting idea...
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It was just a rumor I had read elsewhere, and there was no link. I haven't heard anything about it since, so it may have been just that...a rumor.
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HORRAY FOR A PASS RUSH!!!!

Much better game today all around. Run D still needs to tighten up - not exactly sure how. I'm not sure if people are out of position or being beaten physically, but the same problems from last year are continuing to plague. While Tampa didn't kill Denver on the ground, they had way too many decent gains. It's not just the 38 yarder by Dunn either - its the six first downs by rushing. Tam just seemed to get yards on the ground in chunks.

Maybe I'm just looking for reason for improvement though, because over all, the D played MUCH better, DL especially. Nice to see some pressure - heck, I even enjoyed Champ getting some pressure too.

On O - Good to see Culter take better care of the ball and spread it around. He did a much better job of finding the open receiver this week than vs KC. Rushing attack - looks healthy. IMO Denver has got to lean on SYoung, Hall, Pittman et. al. more - Balance is what I'm looking for. Right now the play calling is so heavily skewed towards throwing the ball that I'm afraid that Denver is too one-dimensional. Hall, IMO, is the best back on the team.

ST: fantastic job by Prater. Maybe his best game as a pro. 3 for 3, including a 55 yarder that would have been good from 70, and 4-5 for touch-backs on kickoffs, and the lone non-touchback put Tam at the 19. Sure makes the battle for field position easier when the opponent has to go 80 yards each time, and you never hand them the gimmie on the 50.
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I didn't see any of the game, but the performance of the defense is encouraging, to say the least. I was surprised as hell when I saw the final score. It is definitely good to see that Cutler took the underneath stuff all day, instead of trying to force it. That would have killed them against a defense like the one TB has. With Royal and Scheffler both hurt now, though, it will be interesting to see how the passing game does. Cutler might try to force it to Marshall more, since he won't have as many viable options out there. The game against the Jags was going to be tough, anyway...

Prater has definitely been awesome. No doubt about that.

 
I also haven't watched the game yet, but early returns indicate that the team is much more dynamic, especially on defense, than previously thought.

Is the defense good? No.

Is the defense improving? Yes.

The trajectory of the team is very positive.

 
Before the season, when looking at how tough the Broncos first seven games were before the bye, I told myself that if they could somehow be 4-3 going into the bye, I would be very happy, so to see them at 4-1 makes me ecstatic. Their post-bye schedule isn't terribly difficult (although Miami and Atlanta are both better than most projected them to be), so getting to 8-3 or 7-4 before the stretch run is very possible, assuming the defense doesn't fall apart again and the injuries on offense do not cripple them.

 
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njuries to Royal, Scheffler thin Broncos' receiving corps

By Mike Klis

The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 10/05/2008 11:49:24 PM MDT

Time's up, Darrell Jackson.

Ready or not, the Broncos need Jackson's strained calf, which has sidelined him since the season-opening win at Oakland, to heal.

In their 16-13 victory Sunday against Tampa Bay, the Broncos paid a potentially steep price. No. 2 receiver Eddie Royal left the locker room well after the game limping on crutches. Tony Scheffler, the Broncos' best receiving tight end, left the locker room limping on crutches.

When the game finished Sunday, the Broncos' No. 3 receiver was Glenn Martinez, who six days earlier was walking the streets unemployed.

"I think D-Jack will be ready to go," said Brandon Stokley, who was moved from the slot to No. 2 receiver Sunday.

Jackson returned to practice last week, so his recovery could be well- timed. Royal and Scheffler likely will miss at least next week's game against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Royal suffered a sprained left ankle while finishing off a 6-yard punt return in the third quarter that gave Denver the ball in Tampa territory and set up its only touchdown.

"I tried to plant and I guess it rolled on me," Royal said. "A guy hit me and twisted me up a little bit and it rolled."

X-rays were negative, but given the speed required at his position, don't be surprised if Royal misses the next two games, at home against the Jaguars and at New England the following week.

Scheffler suffered a strained left groin that could be more serious. He said he first felt something wrong late in the first half but was able to play through it in the second half, when he made all of his four catches for 65 yards. It was while making his final catch that gave the Broncos a first down and helped them run out the clock that Scheffler may have overextended his muscles.

"You go through the game, there's some soreness and tightness in there and something happens that kind of puts it over the edge at the end," he said.

Two other key Broncos — running back Selvin Young and defensive lineman Ebenezer Ekuban — also suffered strained left groins. Strongside linebacker Boss Bailey had to leave the game at times because of calf cramping.

"That's why you have to have depth," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said.
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FYI: Get DJax Active! This is a pass first team with a young gun QB. With Royal and Scheffler likely out, this is a great opportunity to squeeze some production out of DJax, who is likely on the WW.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Before the season, when looking at how tough the Broncos first seven games were before the bye, I told myself that if they could somehow be 4-3 going into the bye, I would be very happy, so to see them at 4-1 makes me ecstatic. Their post-bye schedule isn't terribly difficult (although Miami and Atlanta are both better than most projected them to be), so getting to 8-3 or 7-4 before the stretch run is very possible, assuming the defense doesn't fall apart again and the injuries on offense do not cripple them.
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Ghost Rider - sorry to be a buzz kill - but haven't we learned from the last few seasons? Remember Detroit, Oakland, Houston last year? Or San Fran in the last game of the previous season? Those simple wins were just a mirage. This before the bye after the bye prediction game has gone South the last several years and I am holding down the enthusiasm until I see it finish a year looking like a team to be reckoned with - so for now it is one game at a time. This last week not too bad - hopefully we have the depth to fill the injury holes - something that we had issues with in previous years.
 
Charges in Bronco Williams' murder

Gang ties, premeditation and "extreme indifference" are alleged in indictment of Willie Clark in the 2007 death shooting of Denver Bronco cornerback Darrent Williams.

A Denver grand jury handed up a 39-count indictment against Clark, 25, who already is in federal custody in Englewood on drug charges.

Denver District Attorney Mitch Morrissey said at a press conference that more people could be charged, but he would say how soon. He has not yet decided whether he will seek the death penalty.

Williams, 24, was shot in the neck and died in the arms of teammate of Javon Walker, who has since left the team.

The former Oklahoma State standout had just completed his second season with the Broncos. The team had played its final game of the season only hours before.

Williams' best friend on the team, Domonique Foxworth, now playing in Atlanta, said he had faith the guilty would be punished by God, but the announcement did not bring him peace.

"They have to live with that. They will have to live with the God they pray to," he said of the killers. "I understood that finding him and (indicting) him would be a big deal to people. But for me it doesn't really bring any joy or closure or anything like that."

Another former Bronco defensive back, John Lynch, reflected on a recent fund-raiser for the Darrent Williams Teen Center in Denver.

"It was a wonderful night, but one of the things we all talked about was it would be nice to find resolution to this whole thing," said Lynch, who was co-chairman of the event. "Hopefully for (Williams' mother) Rosalind and all her family and his family that this helps brings closure. I think for everyone, it helps bring closure. From that standpoint, I couldn't be happier."

The grand jury found that a fight started in The Safari nightclub at 10th Avenue and Broadway after a New Year's Eve party. The fight continued in the parking lot about 2:15 a.m.

When the limousine carrying Williams and 15 others left, a white Chevrolet Tahoe pulled alongside it on Speer Boulevard and 11th Avenue. The SUV opened fire.

Williams and two others were hit. Williams died almost instantly. Brandon Flowers and Nicole Reindl survived the shooting.

Morrissey stopped short of calling Clark the trigger man at the press conference at the Denver Police Administration building, instead repeating that Clark is believed to be a "principal."

"Willie Clark was in the SUV; numerous people were in the SUV," Morrissey said, adding later, "Obviously there was more than one shooter."

The SUV used in the drive-by shooting belonged to Brian Kenneth Hicks, who police have said is the leader of the Elite Eight, a sect of the Denver Tre Tre Crips gang.

Hicks was in custody on an unrelated case in the Denver County Jail at the time of the shooting.

Officials would not discuss any other other suspects Wednesday.

"This is not the end of the investigation," Morrissey said.

Morrissey and law enforcement officers said the investigation had been difficult as they tried to pierce the secrecy, or at other times imisleading information, provided by criminals and those who associate with them.

Morrissey urged people to come forward with information.

David Fisher, the police department's chief of investigations, said he would recommend the $102,000 reward for an arrest in the case be provided to no one.

"This case was solved by law enforcement and the Denver District Attorney's office working together," he said.

Clark, whose aliases include "Little Let Loose," "Lil' Let" and "Lil' Willie," faces life in prison, if convicted.

He is charged with two counts of first-degree murder, sixteen counts of attempted first-degree murder, two counts of second-degree assault, illegal discharge of a firearm , sixteen crime of violence counts (sentence enhancer), and two counts of possession of a weapon by a previous offender.

Daniel "Pony Tail" Harris and Clark were indicted in April on unrelated federal crack-cocaine conspiracy charges in what prosecutors said was the state's largest gang takedown.

Sports writer Mike Klis contributed to this story.
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There's been some talk of giving Jarvis Moss some reps at OLB when the defense goes to a 3-4 look. I'm not sure if this isn't just talk, but I like the idea of putting Moss on the edge in some non-basic looks in the hope that he can use his speed to get to the quarterback. I'll be looking for this against Jacksonville.

 
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AllVolUT said:
Tough game Sunday guys. Trap game. Not sure if this is the right thread to post in, but didn't want to start a new Scheffler thread as it seems there is a new one every week.Didn't get a chance to watch the game down here in Florida (plus I was watching the Jags), but what's with Graham getting 6 targets? I know the first week against Oakland, Scheff seemed to only play half of the snaps. Was he even on the field, or just relegated to blocking (which would surprise me considering I have heard his blocking skills are not his strong point)?Thanks for input guys. Good luck the rest of the way.
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I think it was a gameplan decision. Shanahan is known for sometimes just totally changing the look or the base offense for a single game. I can recall one game against Kansas City where Denver ran the Wishbone as its base offense, and another game against Detroit where the base offense was a 2-TE/1-RB set where, right before the snap, one of the TEs would drop into the backfield, lining up like a FB and creating an offset i-formation. Lots of fun, out-of-nowhere stuff. Well, against Kansas City, Denver definitely went away from the Spread and back to a more traditional offense than what they'd run in the first three weeks, resulting in more traditional number distributions. I'd expect, going forward, for this to be more of an aberration than a trend, and for Scheffler to get back on track.Remember, too, that the TE position doesn't score as many points, and is therefore never as consistent as the other positions. An elite RB might put up 1600/16, which might mean 80% of his games he puts up 80-120 yards and 75% of his games he scores a TD. An elite TE, on the other hand, is looking more at 800/8, which might mean 80% of his games he puts up 40-60 yards and 40% of his games he scores a TD. That's a lot of 40/0 or 15/1 games resulting from nothing more than simple variance.
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Thanks, SSOG. Good stuff.Whats the word on DJax? How has he looked in practice?
 
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There's been some talk of giving Jarvis Moss some reps at OLB when the defense goes to a 3-4 look. I'm not sure if this isn't just talk, but I like the idea of putting Moss on the edge in some non-basic looks in the hope that he can use his speed to get to the quarterback. I'll be looking for this against Jacksonville.
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I've read that too, and IMO it reaks of Deltha O'Neil playing WR. I hope I'm wrong here, but it looks like Moss & Crowder = busts.
 
moleculo said:
BusMan said:
There's been some talk of giving Jarvis Moss some reps at OLB when the defense goes to a 3-4 look. I'm not sure if this isn't just talk, but I like the idea of putting Moss on the edge in some non-basic looks in the hope that he can use his speed to get to the quarterback. I'll be looking for this against Jacksonville.
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I've read that too, and IMO it reaks of Deltha O'Neil playing WR. I hope I'm wrong here, but it looks like Moss & Crowder = busts.
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I don't really think it's the same thing at all. One of the players was a guy who had had a LONG time to put it all together, and who the coaches had expressed dissatisfaction in. Another is a guy who had half of his rookie season, and 5 games so far this season, and who the coaches have said hasn't had a fair shake yet. One was a guy playing a COMPLETELY different position with COMPLETELY different responsibilities. Another is a guy potentially making a very, very common transition (Javon Kearse, Jason Taylor, Willie McGinnest, Terrell Suggs... just to name some guys who have played both OLB and DE in their careers- how many guys can you name that spent part of their career as a full-time WR and part as a full-time CB?). Besides, what I've heard is they're thinking about getting Moss some plays at OLB, not moving him there fulltime.Moss has been a bust so far, but this to me looks more like "his talent is clearly visible, now we just need to figure out how to utilize it in an NFL setting that has completely different dimensions than the college game" and less like "He's had a LONG time to try to learn this position, and he still isn't picking it up, so let's give him one last chance to stick on the roster at another position".
 
So what are the odds that Pittman blows up, even against a tough Jags run D?

Something like 16-135-2 would make the RBBC discussions more animated....

 
Would anyone care to give the inside scoop on Nate Jackson? With Scheffler out, I've got him as my current TE du jour, and wondering if DEN homers think that's a good move. Only other realistic options are LJ Smith, Zach Miller and, of course, someone recently mentioned klopfenstein. Any opinions on where Jackson stacks up with those guys?

 
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Would anyone care to give the inside scoop on Nate Jackson? With Scheffler out, I've got him as my current TE du jour, and wondering if DEN homers think that's a good move. Only other realistic options are LJ Smith, Zach Miller and, of course, someone recently mentioned klopfenstein. Any opinions on where Jackson stacks up with those guys?
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Personally, I think Graham's the better play than Jackson. Jackson's never shown himself to be any great shakes, and Denver's never shown that they'll go out of their way to forcefeed a mediocre TE for no reason. Graham's an underrated receiver, and if nothing else, at least he's going to see a ton of snaps. Jackson's not guaranteed anything.
 
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Would anyone care to give the inside scoop on Nate Jackson? With Scheffler out, I've got him as my current TE du jour, and wondering if DEN homers think that's a good move. Only other realistic options are LJ Smith, Zach Miller and, of course, someone recently mentioned klopfenstein. Any opinions on where Jackson stacks up with those guys?
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Personally, I think Graham's the better play than Jackson. Jackson's never shown himself to be any great shakes, and Denver's never shown that they'll go out of their way to forcefeed a mediocre TE for no reason. Graham's an underrated receiver, and if nothing else, at least he's going to see a ton of snaps. Jackson's not guaranteed anything.
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Agreed, but with Royal's ankle issues, I believe Stokley is the shark play in Week 6.
 
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PatrickT said:
Would anyone care to give the inside scoop on Nate Jackson? With Scheffler out, I've got him as my current TE du jour, and wondering if DEN homers think that's a good move. Only other realistic options are LJ Smith, Zach Miller and, of course, someone recently mentioned klopfenstein. Any opinions on where Jackson stacks up with those guys?
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Personally, I think Graham's the better play than Jackson. Jackson's never shown himself to be any great shakes, and Denver's never shown that they'll go out of their way to forcefeed a mediocre TE for no reason. Graham's an underrated receiver, and if nothing else, at least he's going to see a ton of snaps. Jackson's not guaranteed anything.
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Agreed, but with Royal's ankle issues, I believe Stokley is the shark play in Week 6.
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what's the latest on DJax? Any word on him?IMO, in Royal's absence, Stokley stays as #3 and Djax moves to #2. Stokley may still see more balls though, as I think he would be the prime beneficiary to an absent Scheffler.
 
refs/karma> we're even now.

Broncos won a game they shouldn't have vs SD due to poor calls by the officials; today they lost to JAX due to some terrible calls. These calls might not make the high-light reel, but they were equally as bad and equally as costly as the calls in the SD game.

First terrible call:

3-17-JAC26 (7:00) (Shotgun) D.Garrard scrambles right end ran ob at JAX 30 for 4 yards.

PENALTY on DEN-D.Bly, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 30.

Reggie Williams RAN INTO Bly and knocked him over, 15 yards down field. Bly got up and was cheering, looking at the refs because he knew there was no way the refs missed that, and the penalty would obviously be on JAX. Instead, the refs strangely gave the illegal contact & automatic first down to JAX. This drive lead to a TD.

Second terrible call:

2-8-JAC41 (4:39) D.Garrard pass incomplete deep left to G.Estandia.

PENALTY on DEN-M.McCree, Defensive Pass Interference, 27 yards, enforced at JAX 41 - No Play.

What? Excuse me? McCree clearly didn't hit Estandia until after the ball got there. Not even close. No idea how the ref missed this - this was as blatant as it gets. This, of course, was the drive that JAX finished the game off with.

Now, while I may be #####ing and venting, I am very aware that WRT ref's calls, you win some and loose some. Broncos didn't play well enough to win the game regardless. I am merely trying to point out that the gift we got in the SD game - it's all even now.

Other random thoughts:

Cutler continues to lock into his primary receiver and try to force it, instead of finding the open man - especially Marshall. I understand that DJax/Graham tend to get the dropsies, but I'd rather see a dropped pass to an open receiver than an int from forcing to a double-covered BMarshall. Cutler also overthrew several receivers today, including a wide open Nate Jackson in the end zone. Not sure what was up with that - he looked off for sure.

Pittman looked fantastic (outside of the 4th &1 early on). He ran with power, speed, & elusiveness. Interesting that Hall got no carries. Hall/Young combo > Pittman, but if no Young, Pittman > Hall? That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

the fumbles have got to end. It's really really hard to win a game with 3 or more turnovers. They have got to focus on ball security - I hope this is addressed this week.

On D - good hitting and tacking early on. MJD is a tough cat to bring down. Outside of one run, he was held in check fairly well. This D has GOT to eliminate the "outside of this play" play. It's killin us.

Beyond that - this is a D that makes great QB's look other-worldly (Brees) , good QB's look great (Rivers), mediocre QB's look good (Girrard) and poor QB's look mediocre (Huard). Girrard - 8.11 YPA, and 74% comp. The dude is pretty good, but he aint that good (on the season, Girrard is a 6.6 YPA/65% comp). I guess from a fantasy perspective, always start a QB facing this D. He won't get blitzed and will have all day to throw to whom ever Bly is covering.

Overall, a pretty terrible game. Not much good can be said about this. I HATE Jacksonville coming to Denver - it's like they have Mile-High Kryptonite or something. Always a tough game. Up next is a wounded NE, in Foxboro, on Monday night. Expect Cassel to look great - a must start.

 
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I'll say this about Calvin Lowry- he does an excellent job of holding onto what ever RB it is that runs him over. Once the RB makes contact with him, Lowry isn't letting go.

Of course, it would be nice for Lowry to actually initiate contact, not over run a play, or somehow be involved in a manner that doesn't involve getting run over.

 
I've been a die-hard Bronco fan since 1986, and have always tried to be optomistic, thru thick and thin. Today I'm finally in a place where I can admit that this is the worst Bronco D I have ever seen, and historically, probably the worst D in Denver since the mid 70's. It's become painfully obvious any time an allegedly high powered O has mis-cues, the game is lost, and that's all there is to it.

The DL sucks, the LB's suck (DJ is ok, but probably NFL average), and 3/4 of the DB's are terrible (4/4 when Champ is hurt). The lack of talent is masterfully matched by piss-poor schemes.

It's embarassing that Champ Bailey could be part of such a terrible D. It's especially embarassing to see such a piss poor performance coming out of a bye week.

Yes, I'm aware that technically, this D allowed only one TD. But, the key stat is that TD came at the end of a 15 play, 80 yard drive that chewed up >8 minutes, when the Den O had some snippet of momentum going and had brought the game back to manageable.. Drives like this have happened all year - one key drive to seal the game. As long as the Den D allows drives like that to happen, I don't see how Denver can win another game this year - including vs oakland and KC at home.

 
The biggest problem with our D is that it lacks both talent and a dynamic scheming functionality. Based on the way we start the game (strong, as evidenced by allowing no offensive touchdowns in the first quarter all year), the opposing coaches/offenses can make adjustments and find the chinks in a seemingly burlap-based defensive armor.

I wasn't pissed at Paymah, despite his performance. He did what he could, which was keep the play in front of him. His pick was masterful.

The recent slide can also be attributed to Jay and the offense, as they haven't protected the ball, which this defense BADLY needs from their counterparts.

Ultimately, we're 4-4, 1.5 games up in the West, and still have a chance to win the division. The team isn't good, and while there isn't much reason for optimism in the second half of the season, I trust Shanny and know that in the NFL, crazy, weird, unexplainable things can and do often happen. I'll be watching/cheering the Broncos along, no matter what.

 
moleculo said:
I've been a die-hard Bronco fan since 1986, and have always tried to be optomistic, thru thick and thin. Today I'm finally in a place where I can admit that this is the worst Bronco D I have ever seen, and historically, probably the worst D in Denver since the mid 70's. It's become painfully obvious any time an allegedly high powered O has mis-cues, the game is lost, and that's all there is to it.The DL sucks, the LB's suck (DJ is ok, but probably NFL average), and 3/4 of the DB's are terrible (4/4 when Champ is hurt). The lack of talent is masterfully matched by piss-poor schemes.It's embarassing that Champ Bailey could be part of such a terrible D. It's especially embarassing to see such a piss poor performance coming out of a bye week. Yes, I'm aware that technically, this D allowed only one TD. But, the key stat is that TD came at the end of a 15 play, 80 yard drive that chewed up >8 minutes, when the Den O had some snippet of momentum going and had brought the game back to manageable.. Drives like this have happened all year - one key drive to seal the game. As long as the Den D allows drives like that to happen, I don't see how Denver can win another game this year - including vs oakland and KC at home.
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It pains me to say it, but :P I am thoroughly disgusted with this team.The defense is just beyond terrible, and there is no imagination to the offensive play-calling right now. I can't believe that is the same unit that scored 114 points in their first three games. At this point, I pretty much figure they will finish 7-9 or 6-10. What a waste, considering what a good start they had.
 
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True, GR, it sucks because the last 3/4 years the team has started strong and then floundered. They raise our expectations early in the season, and then dash our hopes over the slow, painful remainder of the season. This team smells the same.

The big difference this year is that the Chargers and the rest of the division are struggling even more, although most agree the Chargers have the talent to win the West. "Somehow make the playoffs and see what we can do" should be the mantra of this team going forward. That, and "don't turn over the ball twice in the first quarter."

 
A very disturbing trend over the last year and a half has been the fact that the often lose badly, while having to eke out the games they actually win. Consider:

-Over the last season and a half, the Broncos are 11-13.

-7 of the 11 wins have been by 3 points or less.

-10 of the 13 losses have been by 9 points or more, meaning that they were at least scores away from tying or winning the game.

-They have lost games by the scores of 41-3, 44-7 (to the Lions, for crying out loud), 23-3, 33-19 (to the 1-7 Chiefs) and 41-7.

-The defense was 28th in points allowed last season; this year, they are 29th.

-The offense is tied for 2nd in the NFL in giveaways this year.

In other words, there are problems all over the place, and they are just getting worse. At what point is Mike Shanahan, a guy I have defended vigorously for years, held accountable?

 
Ghost Rider said:
A very disturbing trend over the last year and a half has been the fact that the often lose badly, while having to eke out the games they actually win. Consider:-Over the last season and a half, the Broncos are 11-13.-7 of the 11 wins have been by 3 points or less.-10 of the 13 losses have been by 9 points or more, meaning that they were at least scores away from tying or winning the game.-They have lost games by the scores of 41-3, 44-7 (to the Lions, for crying out loud), 23-3, 33-19 (to the 1-7 Chiefs) and 41-7. -The defense was 28th in points allowed last season; this year, they are 29th.-The offense is tied for 2nd in the NFL in giveaways this year. In other words, there are problems all over the place, and they are just getting worse. At what point is Mike Shanahan, a guy I have defended vigorously for years, held accountable?
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I don't think Bowlen will ever hold Shanahan accountable. He loves the guy. And I really don't know what any coach can do to get his team to stop turning the ball over and committing boneheaded penalties (although if I were the coach I'd probably have cut Andre Hall after the NE game). I mean, honestly, what can you do/say to fix that?
 
Ok, I'm a believer in the O again. Absolutely gutsy play all around. Scheffler obviously was hurting, but managed to be a factor. Royal = awesome. Marshall - showing signs of life. Not sure what is causing his slump, but it happens to all WR's. Hillis - what can I say - the man did what he needed to do.

Injuries are taking a huge role now - could PJ Pope be the starting RB next week? I wouldn't be surprised if Torain is out for a while - his knee twist looked pretty nasty to me. Who knows when Selvin will be ready to go 100% - I hope he didn't make things worse tonight.

This D is still terrible, but looked a little better. Woodyard did pretty well - I was looking forward to seeing what he could do after the pre-season. I still say this is the worst D the Broncos have had since the mid 70's. Watching this D reminds me of when my son started playing Madden - players diving randomly, always over-running the play, predictable blitzing, etc. It's almost like Slowik is sitting up there in the coaching booth, just hitting X..X..X..X. This D is not talented individually, and they are not covering it up via scheme.

Had the Browns a competent play caller, this would have been over. No way in hell I'm letting Brady throw that much with a 10 point 2nd half lead. In Clevelands first drive of the 2nd half, when they were up by 10, Quinn threw 5 passes, and Jamal ran twice (Quinn and Cribbs each had one carry). Next possession, up by 10 again, 6 passes, 5 rushes, 4 by Jamal. Next possession, down by 4, they run 5x and throw 4x (includes two attempts from the one). This is against a D giving up 5.1 YPC. Had they jammed the ball down the undersized DL, they would have chewed up so much clock it would have been over. I simply don't understand trying to maintain a balanced O, even slightly pass-happy, with a 10 point lead and a QB making his first ever start. I'm happy it worked out and I'm happy the Broncos could capitalize on the mis-fortune, I just don't get it.

 
Like I said in the other thread, they should be able to win the home games against KC and Oakland, so 7 wins at worst looks good. And they could beat Buffalo in week 16 at home. The road games vs. Carolina, Atlanta and the Jets will all be tough. I expect them to be 8-7 or 7-8 when they face the Chargers on the last day of the season, in what will probably be for the division. That is how I see things.

 
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Like I said in the other thread, they should be able to win the home games against KC and Oakland, so 7 wins at worst looks good. And they could beat Buffalo in week 16 at home. The road games vs. Carolina, Atlanta and the Jets will all be tough. I expect them to be 8-7 or 7-8 when they face the Chargers on the last day of the season, in what will probably be for the division. That is how I see things.
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Buffalo is going to be a tough one to win - I expect a healthy running game effort from Marshawn Lynch and if they need to they have good chances to use Evans and Robert Royal to do some damage as well. It is a game they should win but it looks like they could be falling into that late season swoon with the injuries really becoming an issue.
 
True, but that game is still a month and a half away, and it is impossible to know what state either team will be in by then. Plus, weather could be a serious factor by then, and if that slows down offenses, that can only help the hapless Broncos 'D'.

 
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Like I said in the other thread, they should be able to win the home games against KC and Oakland, so 7 wins at worst looks good. And they could beat Buffalo in week 16 at home. The road games vs. Carolina, Atlanta and the Jets will all be tough. I expect them to be 8-7 or 7-8 when they face the Chargers on the last day of the season, in what will probably be for the division. That is how I see things.
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In the Atlanta game, both Norwood and Turner should easily churn out 100+ yards rushing. They'll have an absolute field day against the Denver D.
 
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Ghost Rider said:
Like I said in the other thread, they should be able to win the home games against KC and Oakland, so 7 wins at worst looks good. And they could beat Buffalo in week 16 at home. The road games vs. Carolina, Atlanta and the Jets will all be tough. I expect them to be 8-7 or 7-8 when they face the Chargers on the last day of the season, in what will probably be for the division. That is how I see things.
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In the Atlanta game, both Norwood and Turner should easily churn out 100+ yards rushing. They'll have an absolute field day against the Denver D.
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Matt Ryan should be good for 250+/3/0.
 
I heard a disturbing stat yesterday:

The Broncos currently have three players on their team that were drafted from 2000-2005. Three players from six drafts. That is staggering.

Honestly, the best thing for the team would be for Shanahan to go back to just coaching (which he obviously excels at), and for Bowlen to hire a good GM, but I cannot see Bowlen stripping that power away from Shanny.

 
Ghost Rider said:
I heard a disturbing stat yesterday:The Broncos currently have three players on their team that were drafted from 2000-2005. Three players from six drafts. That is staggering. Honestly, the best thing for the team would be for Shanahan to go back to just coaching (which he obviously excels at), and for Bowlen to hire a good GM, but I cannot see Bowlen stripping that power away from Shanny.
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Not so fast my friend. Shanny's been hitting pretty solidly in the draft the last three years. I agree that it would likely behoove the organization to have an actual GM on staff, but I'm hopeful about the Shanny/Xanders/Goodmans brain trust.Cutler/Marshall/Royal/Scheffler/Clady/Harris/Thomas/Dumervil is an envious recent crop. What we really need is a strong defensive talent evaluator to help Shanny in '09. The defense needs a talent injection, which usually only comes via the draft. I would have no problem using all or most of our '09 picks on the defensive side of the ball.We also need to focus on continuity: Keep Slowik, let him pick and stick with a system for a couple years, and see what happens.
 
I'm now projecting Hillis to claim the throne of Terrell Davis for the remainder of 2008. There is precedence for FB's to be moved to RB mid season (Reuben Droughns) and vice versa (Mike Anderson, Mike Bell). It's not unheard of for a player to make this switch.

Moreso, while Hillis did not have a huge game stats-wise yesterday, his contributions should not go un-noticed. the 4th and one carry was HUGE. Hillis did not have the benefit of working from the RB position all week - he filled in where he could, and I think he did a fine job. Plus, Hillis is definitely an asset in the passing game (as we saw last week).

At this point, I have zero confidence that SYoung will be healthy all year, and I honestly believe that the coaching staff should trust Hillis more than Pope/Boyd/WW scrub du jour.

So, I say, be sure to snag Hillis as soon as the WW opens up - any starting RB in the NFL is at least worth rostering. He probably should be everyone's top WW priority at this point.

 
moleculo said:
I'm now projecting Hillis to claim the throne of Terrell Davis for the remainder of 2008. There is precedence for FB's to be moved to RB mid season (Reuben Droughns) and vice versa (Mike Anderson, Mike Bell). It's not unheard of for a player to make this switch.

Moreso, while Hillis did not have a huge game stats-wise yesterday, his contributions should not go un-noticed. the 4th and one carry was HUGE. Hillis did not have the benefit of working from the RB position all week - he filled in where he could, and I think he did a fine job. Plus, Hillis is definitely an asset in the passing game (as we saw last week).

At this point, I have zero confidence that SYoung will be healthy all year, and I honestly believe that the coaching staff should trust Hillis more than Pope/Boyd/WW scrub du jour.

So, I say, be sure to snag Hillis as soon as the WW opens up - any starting RB in the NFL is at least worth rostering. He probably should be everyone's top WW priority at this point.
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What do you mean by this? I'm sure you don't think Hillis will produce like Davis did, nor do I believe that you're implying he's even in the same universe talent-wise. I'm just a bit confused as to what you're suggesting... Unless all you really mean is that you think he'll be RB1 Denver for the remainder of the season, in which case, I'm not sure I agree. I'd be very surprised if they don't bring in a FA or get one of the practice squad guys heavily involved.
 
thatguy said:
moleculo said:
I'm now projecting Hillis to claim the throne of Terrell Davis for the remainder of 2008. There is precedence for FB's to be moved to RB mid season (Reuben Droughns) and vice versa (Mike Anderson, Mike Bell). It's not unheard of for a player to make this switch.

Moreso, while Hillis did not have a huge game stats-wise yesterday, his contributions should not go un-noticed. the 4th and one carry was HUGE. Hillis did not have the benefit of working from the RB position all week - he filled in where he could, and I think he did a fine job. Plus, Hillis is definitely an asset in the passing game (as we saw last week).

At this point, I have zero confidence that SYoung will be healthy all year, and I honestly believe that the coaching staff should trust Hillis more than Pope/Boyd/WW scrub du jour.

So, I say, be sure to snag Hillis as soon as the WW opens up - any starting RB in the NFL is at least worth rostering. He probably should be everyone's top WW priority at this point.
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What do you mean by this? I'm sure you don't think Hillis will produce like Davis did, nor do I believe that you're implying he's even in the same universe talent-wise. I'm just a bit confused as to what you're suggesting... Unless all you really mean is that you think he'll be RB1 Denver for the remainder of the season, in which case, I'm not sure I agree. I'd be very surprised if they don't bring in a FA or get one of the practice squad guys heavily involved.
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this is what I mean...RB1 for the Broncos = throne of TD. I am definitely not projecting TD like #'s, but certainly 500 yards /5 TD's the rest of the season is achievable. This is the scenario we have seen play out time and time again - guy who starts the season as RB1 goes down, then RB2 goes down...and someone completely unexpected comes in, takes over, and sets the fantasy world on fire. It happened with Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns - all low-drafted/FA backs that no one considered until injury gave them an opportunity.Of course, with this seasons play-calling tendencies, den RB1 isn't quite the power it used to be so temper expectations accordingly.

 
moleculo said:
thatguy said:
moleculo said:
I'm now projecting Hillis to claim the throne of Terrell Davis for the remainder of 2008. There is precedence for FB's to be moved to RB mid season (Reuben Droughns) and vice versa (Mike Anderson, Mike Bell). It's not unheard of for a player to make this switch.

Moreso, while Hillis did not have a huge game stats-wise yesterday, his contributions should not go un-noticed. the 4th and one carry was HUGE. Hillis did not have the benefit of working from the RB position all week - he filled in where he could, and I think he did a fine job. Plus, Hillis is definitely an asset in the passing game (as we saw last week).

At this point, I have zero confidence that SYoung will be healthy all year, and I honestly believe that the coaching staff should trust Hillis more than Pope/Boyd/WW scrub du jour.

So, I say, be sure to snag Hillis as soon as the WW opens up - any starting RB in the NFL is at least worth rostering. He probably should be everyone's top WW priority at this point.
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What do you mean by this? I'm sure you don't think Hillis will produce like Davis did, nor do I believe that you're implying he's even in the same universe talent-wise. I'm just a bit confused as to what you're suggesting... Unless all you really mean is that you think he'll be RB1 Denver for the remainder of the season, in which case, I'm not sure I agree. I'd be very surprised if they don't bring in a FA or get one of the practice squad guys heavily involved.
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this is what I mean...RB1 for the Broncos = throne of TD. I am definitely not projecting TD like #'s, but certainly 500 yards /5 TD's the rest of the season is achievable. This is the scenario we have seen play out time and time again - guy who starts the season as RB1 goes down, then RB2 goes down...and someone completely unexpected comes in, takes over, and sets the fantasy world on fire. It happened with Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns - all low-drafted/FA backs that no one considered until injury gave them an opportunity.Of course, with this seasons play-calling tendencies, den RB1 isn't quite the power it used to be so temper expectations accordingly.
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I really just don't see Hillis maintaining the role of Denver RB1 for the remainder of the season... I really like his skills as a receiver out of the backfield, but I don't think he'll succeed as a ball carrier.
 
thatguy said:
moleculo said:
thatguy said:
moleculo said:
I'm now projecting Hillis to claim the throne of Terrell Davis for the remainder of 2008. There is precedence for FB's to be moved to RB mid season (Reuben Droughns) and vice versa (Mike Anderson, Mike Bell). It's not unheard of for a player to make this switch.

Moreso, while Hillis did not have a huge game stats-wise yesterday, his contributions should not go un-noticed. the 4th and one carry was HUGE. Hillis did not have the benefit of working from the RB position all week - he filled in where he could, and I think he did a fine job. Plus, Hillis is definitely an asset in the passing game (as we saw last week).

At this point, I have zero confidence that SYoung will be healthy all year, and I honestly believe that the coaching staff should trust Hillis more than Pope/Boyd/WW scrub du jour.

So, I say, be sure to snag Hillis as soon as the WW opens up - any starting RB in the NFL is at least worth rostering. He probably should be everyone's top WW priority at this point.
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What do you mean by this? I'm sure you don't think Hillis will produce like Davis did, nor do I believe that you're implying he's even in the same universe talent-wise. I'm just a bit confused as to what you're suggesting... Unless all you really mean is that you think he'll be RB1 Denver for the remainder of the season, in which case, I'm not sure I agree. I'd be very surprised if they don't bring in a FA or get one of the practice squad guys heavily involved.
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this is what I mean...RB1 for the Broncos = throne of TD. I am definitely not projecting TD like #'s, but certainly 500 yards /5 TD's the rest of the season is achievable. This is the scenario we have seen play out time and time again - guy who starts the season as RB1 goes down, then RB2 goes down...and someone completely unexpected comes in, takes over, and sets the fantasy world on fire. It happened with Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns - all low-drafted/FA backs that no one considered until injury gave them an opportunity.Of course, with this seasons play-calling tendencies, den RB1 isn't quite the power it used to be so temper expectations accordingly.
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I really just don't see Hillis maintaining the role of Denver RB1 for the remainder of the season... I really like his skills as a receiver out of the backfield, but I don't think he'll succeed as a ball carrier.
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I may be wrong as well - it wouldn't be the first time and it sure as hell won't be the last time, but I have difficulty seeing the Broncos going in another direction. I'd love to see it from the coaches mouth, however and we all know that will never happen. We probably won't know until after next week's game. I'm pretty sure Hillis starts, based on experience with the team and Young's injury. As long as he doesn't fumble, I think the job belongs to Hillis moving forward.

 
moleculo said:
thatguy said:
moleculo said:
thatguy said:
moleculo said:
I'm now projecting Hillis to claim the throne of Terrell Davis for the remainder of 2008. There is precedence for FB's to be moved to RB mid season (Reuben Droughns) and vice versa (Mike Anderson, Mike Bell). It's not unheard of for a player to make this switch.

Moreso, while Hillis did not have a huge game stats-wise yesterday, his contributions should not go un-noticed. the 4th and one carry was HUGE. Hillis did not have the benefit of working from the RB position all week - he filled in where he could, and I think he did a fine job. Plus, Hillis is definitely an asset in the passing game (as we saw last week).

At this point, I have zero confidence that SYoung will be healthy all year, and I honestly believe that the coaching staff should trust Hillis more than Pope/Boyd/WW scrub du jour.

So, I say, be sure to snag Hillis as soon as the WW opens up - any starting RB in the NFL is at least worth rostering. He probably should be everyone's top WW priority at this point.
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What do you mean by this? I'm sure you don't think Hillis will produce like Davis did, nor do I believe that you're implying he's even in the same universe talent-wise. I'm just a bit confused as to what you're suggesting... Unless all you really mean is that you think he'll be RB1 Denver for the remainder of the season, in which case, I'm not sure I agree. I'd be very surprised if they don't bring in a FA or get one of the practice squad guys heavily involved.
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this is what I mean...RB1 for the Broncos = throne of TD. I am definitely not projecting TD like #'s, but certainly 500 yards /5 TD's the rest of the season is achievable. This is the scenario we have seen play out time and time again - guy who starts the season as RB1 goes down, then RB2 goes down...and someone completely unexpected comes in, takes over, and sets the fantasy world on fire. It happened with Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns - all low-drafted/FA backs that no one considered until injury gave them an opportunity.Of course, with this seasons play-calling tendencies, den RB1 isn't quite the power it used to be so temper expectations accordingly.
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I really just don't see Hillis maintaining the role of Denver RB1 for the remainder of the season... I really like his skills as a receiver out of the backfield, but I don't think he'll succeed as a ball carrier.
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I may be wrong as well - it wouldn't be the first time and it sure as hell won't be the last time, but I have difficulty seeing the Broncos going in another direction. I'd love to see it from the coaches mouth, however and we all know that will never happen. We probably won't know until after next week's game. I'm pretty sure Hillis starts, based on experience with the team and Young's injury. As long as he doesn't fumble, I think the job belongs to Hillis moving forward.
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We will indeed see. FWIW I'd like to see you be right, as I really like Hillis based on the interviews I've heard... Sounds like a polite southern good old boy. From what little I've seen of him and from what I've read, I just don't think he' s very skilled as a runner.
 
Well, after a surprising road win at Atlanta, the Broncos are in pretty good shape for the stretch run. At 6-4, they are two games ahead of the 4-6 Chargers, but San Diego definitely has the edge down the stretch as far as scheduling goes.

Denver still has:

OAK

@NYJ

KC

@CAR

BUF

@SD

San Diego still has:

IND

ATL

OAK

@KC

@TB

DEN

I would think the Broncos could be 9-6 going into the last week (winning the home games and losing the road games). However, because of the loss to KC earlier this season, they are in a position where, if SD beat Oak and KC and then beats the Broncos week 17, if the teams were tied for first, SD would win it because of having a better division record, so the Broncos need to have a two-game lead going into that last week. That means the Chargers need to lose twice before then. This week against Indy is definitely a possibility. Atlanta could be a sneaky one. At TB will be tough, too.

Should be a fun stretch run, either way...

 
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Well, after a surprising road win at Atlanta, the Broncos are in pretty good shape for the stretch run. At 6-4, they are two games ahead of the 4-6 Chargers, but San Diego definitely has the edge down the stretch as far as scheduling goes. Denver still has:OAK@NYJKC@CARBUF@SDSan Diego still has:INDATLOAK@KC@TBDENI would think the Broncos could be 9-6 going into the last week (winning the home games and losing the road games). However, because of the loss to KC earlier this season, they are in a position where, if SD beat Oak and KC and then beats the Broncos week 17, if the teams were tied for first, SD would win it because of having a better division record, so the Broncos need to have a two-game lead going into that last week. That means the Chargers need to lose twice before then. This week against Indy is definitely a possibility. Atlanta could be a sneaky one. At TB will be tough, too. Should be a fun stretch run, either way...
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If the Denver defense (the DTs in particular) can play like they did against Atlanta, they should have a shot to take the division. I've been extremely impressed with the way Woodyard, Winborn and Larsen have stepped up at the LB position and Bly has been a nice surprise since Champ went down. If Bly can continue the way he has been playing when Champ gets back, I'm optimistic the defense can get things rolling. I think defense and not turning the ball over on offense are the keys to the rest of the season.
 
so at this point, I'm kinda pissed at the Chargers for sucking so badly - can't throw in the towel on the season just yet. As terrible as the Broncos are, Norv Turner finds a way to keep a step behind.

IMO, what is going on is as follows: our D was hoping to be almost average coming into the season, after last years debacle. Then the best player (Champ) and all three LB's miss significant time. The back-ups actually gut it out,and aren't terrible (except for Lowry), but guts and heart are good for about a week, at least until the next D can see what you've got on film. And then, it all falls apart.

On O - I have no idea what happened yesterday. playcalling was unimaginitive., Cutler was off, seemed to focus on throwing into coverage AGAIN instead of the simple checkdowns...Tatum Bell can't break a tackle, I still can't believe we are relying on him again. It seemed the only way the Broncos were able to move the ball yesterday was by penalty.

Special Teams allows a PR for a TD, Prater misses two FG's. Pretty terrible special teams play in general.

Some raider fan called into Sirius today and claimed that Cutler was scared after taking some big shots from Howard - not sure I believe that, but an interesting take none the less.

At this point, I'm calling this team 8-8 at the end of the season, with wins @ home vs KC and maybe Buffalo. If SD loses two more games, Den will be division champs, host a playoff game vs maybe Indy, and get thoroughly thrashed.

 
Denver might just be the worst 6-5 team I've ever seen. They currently have a -44 point differential, which is atrocious. When they win, they barely win. When they lose, they lose pathetically. The sad thing is, they will probably still win the division. This team just isn't good. At all.

I don't really know what else to say. It doesn't seem possible to be more down on a team that has a two game division lead after week 12.

But, if they do hang on and make the playoffs, I suppose anything is possible. I, however, won't be holding my breath. Unfortunately, I do have season tickets and will be forced to endure their first (and almost certainly their only) playoff game.

 
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