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Some good discussion in the Eagles thread...

I admit I don't know much about the Eagles defense, from reading the other thread it appears they have a stout D-line. If that's the case, it's going to cause some issues, as Seattle's line is rough. Should be getting Carpenter back, that will help...Unger is still out. I am glad that this is a 1pm PST game, as that will help also.

Thoughts?

ETA: Fox's national game of the week.

 
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Eagles fan here. The Eagles frontline and LBs are playing really well recently. BUT there secondary STINKS!!!!

So Stinky DBs vs Stinky WRs should be a wash... I think the game comes down to which QB performs better. Can the Eagles contain Wilson and can Sanchez control the ball? this is where the game will live or die in my opinion.

 
Thanks for starting. This game is almost a quasi-playoff game because home field advantage will be partly riding on this. The NFCS will get a home game in the wild card round, but then who else? Seattle really looks like they are going to overtake AZ at this point with no Palmer, no/limited Ellington and Fitz., If Philly and other teams would like to avoid going to Seattle in the divisional round (come on, you know you don't want your team there) you'd better be pulling for the Iggles.

How worried should McCoy, Parkey, Sanchez, Maclin, Matthews owners be with this matchup?

 
Crazy8s said:
Eagles fan here. The Eagles frontline and LBs are playing really well recently. BUT there secondary STINKS!!!!

So Stinky DBs vs Stinky WRs should be a wash... I think the game comes down to which QB performs better. Can the Eagles contain Wilson and can Sanchez control the ball? this is where the game will live or die in my opinion.
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Sanchez against the Seahawk DBs. Hm.

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^^^^ I know, scary thought. I hope its more of Sanchez vs the LBs, I think Celek, Ertz, McCoy, Sproles and Even Matthew in the slot should get most of the work for the Eagles to win.

 
Crazy8s said:
^^^^ I know, scary thought. I hope its more of Sanchez vs the LBs, I think Celek, Ertz, McCoy, Sproles and Even Matthew in the slot should get most of the work for the Eagles to win.
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We all know about their outside CBs, but how is the middle of the field against the 'Hawks? Like you said, it could be big day for the RBs/TEs/Slot WRs (Matthews).

 
Amused to Death said:
Crazy8s said:
^^^^ I know, scary thought. I hope its more of Sanchez vs the LBs, I think Celek, Ertz, McCoy, Sproles and Even Matthew in the slot should get most of the work for the Eagles to win.
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We all know about their outside CBs, but how is the middle of the field against the 'Hawks? Like you said, it could be big day for the RBs/TEs/Slot WRs (Matthews).
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Which is where Sanchez prefers to throw the ball anyway.

 
Early in the season Seattle struggled vs the TE. Last two games the defense has finally got somewhat healthy, and TE's have been non existent.

 
Crazy8s said:
^^^^ I know, scary thought. I hope its more of Sanchez vs the LBs, I think Celek, Ertz, McCoy, Sproles and Even Matthew in the slot should get most of the work for the Eagles to win.
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I'm more hoping that McCoy, Sproles, and Polk have good days. if they can run the ball they'll put up points.

 
I think the Eagles win this game. It will be tough to score tds but 21 might be enough. I think sea struggles to score more than phi will

 
The Eagle D/ST has been money just about all year. They have two, fairly tough matchups in front of them with the Hawks and Cowboys coming to town back to back. Hopefully they will continue to pressure the QB and create turnovers.

 
How do you think the Seattle D will handle the tempo? Do they tend to do better/worse/same against offenses in a 2-minute drill?

 
No fun-time trip to Pat's Steaks after this debacle. This is the game the Sanchez-haters have been waiting for.

 
Steel Curtainrod said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Steel Curtainrod said:
I don't see how Chip doesn't run 50 times in this one. You don't want to hang this game on Sanchez
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That's always a good way to play the Seahawks.
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They can be run upon. Pretty sure KC gashed them w less of a passing game/threat.
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Bobby Wagner was out, lot tougher time running on them now.

Ellington 24 yards

Gore 28 yards

Hyde 19 yards

 
jasvic said:
How do you think the Seattle D will handle the tempo? Do they tend to do better/worse/same against offenses in a 2-minute drill?
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Seattle plays more vanilla coverage than people think. They don't rotate the back 7 much except for bringing in a nickel on longer downs. However, they do rotate the front 4 a lot. I'll be curious to see how the DTs handle not being able to get off the field if they need a blow. Of course, if they get a 3 and out, no problem. If they get stuck on the field for multiple quick series, problem. They're overall philosophy is to keep everything in front of them and tackle well. Its all about avoiding the big play from your opponent.

Wagner was previously mentioned. He'll be on the field for every down, and he puts ball carriers on the ground. Seattle is a much different team with him in the middle. I don't think he gets near enough credit when it comes to discussion of the best at his position. He's lightning getting to the ball, and a wonderful technician in his tackling technique. He (and Chancellor) don't miss tackles.

 
I was under the impression that Seattle didn't really rotate much at all. This is something that could hurt the Eagles, since a big part of what they do is fast paced no substitutions. This generally hurts defenses.

 
seahawk 17 said:
Steel Curtainrod said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Steel Curtainrod said:
I don't see how Chip doesn't run 50 times in this one. You don't want to hang this game on Sanchez
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That's always a good way to play the Seahawks.
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They can be run upon. Pretty sure KC gashed them w less of a passing game/threat.
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Bobby Wagner was out, lot tougher time running on them now.

Ellington 24 yards

Gore 28 yards

Hyde 19 yards
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agreeded but the OL is starting to block like they did last year when Shady ran for over 1600 yards. It'll be a great matchup to watch.

 
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Game of the year right now. Pretty much a bye on the line. I think the Eagles being at home will be the difference. Our defense is ferocious at home. Probably a 22-16 kind of game. Eagles win in a barnburner.

 
Seattle does not rotate much on defense. If Philly can't run on Seattle then it will probably be a long day for that offense. Seattle's defense puts a lot of teams in 3rd and 5, so 3rd down conversion will be a very telling stat for Philly.

Seattle's offense will probably hang between 20-25 on Philly.

 
I predict this is the game SEA gets back on track for steaming towards the playoffs (and winning the division).

Their defense has been playing lights out lately and Wilson has been making more than enough plays to win the game. I think Wilson runs for another 70+ and tosses a few TDs. I'm playing him in Fanduel and expect him to be near the lead in QB scoring.

Sanchez makes the plays when the WRs are running open but that's not going to happen against Sherman and Co, and I don't see SEA making offensive mistakes to gift special teams/defensive scores like PHI has been getting all year.

SEA doesn't blowout teams but I think it's going to be a comfortable 10-point victory by the end of the game.

 
Gvindy said:
Carroll knows Sanchez tendencies. I imagine they'll be ready for him.
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I suppose he knew his tendencies as a pocket passer in college. My guess is those basically go out the window now that he's in CK's system. On the surface I'd say Carroll's knowledge of Sanchez will be a non-factor.

 
Phenomena said:
I predict this is the game SEA gets back on track for steaming towards the playoffs (and winning the division).

Their defense has been playing lights out lately and Wilson has been making more than enough plays to win the game. I think Wilson runs for another 70+ and tosses a few TDs. I'm playing him in Fanduel and expect him to be near the lead in QB scoring.

Sanchez makes the plays when the WRs are running open but that's not going to happen against Sherman and Co, and I don't see SEA making offensive mistakes to gift special teams/defensive scores like PHI has been getting all year.

SEA doesn't blowout teams but I think it's going to be a comfortable 10-point victory by the end of the game.
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Sanchez prefers to throw between the hashes so the slot corner and LBs will be the ones put under pressure by Philly's O. I'm not schooled in the Seattle D strength and weaknesses but Jordan Matthews has been eating up the slot corners for the past month.

 
Chaz McNulty said:
Seattle does not rotate much on defense. If Philly can't run on Seattle then it will probably be a long day for that offense. Seattle's defense puts a lot of teams in 3rd and 5, so 3rd down conversion will be a very telling stat for Philly.

Seattle's offense will probably hang between 20-25 on Philly.
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Here at the snap counts from the past game. Agree that the back 7 don't rotate. All 7 of them played 100% of the snaps, but the front 4 rotate quite a bit.

 
I see this as a game where Seattle will play to their strength: running the football. Whether its a Lynch-fest, or a lot of Wilson running the read-option, or a combo of both....I don't see Seattle wanting to throw the ball a ton and get into a shootout. The good news for the Eagles is they see a lot of the read-option in practice, and should be patient and not bite on it too much. That said, Foles/Sanchez running it is a heck of a lot different than what Wilson brings.

On the other side, I see the Eagles being adept enough to take what the Seattle defense gives: a lot of short slot-passing, and some one-on-one looks when the safetys cheat to the middle. The Eagles can pass-protect, and will likely keep the TE in to manage any overloads to one side. Celek will see a ton more snaps than Ertz in a game like this, as he is a superior blocker. The Eagles will run the ball alot themselves, whether they have success or not. McCoy should get a good workload between the tackles, especially with Polk questionable and not practicing.

Should be a great game, with both teams playing better defense than offense. I'll take the team that can offer a few different looks in terms of keeping its opponent off-balance, and the one playing at home against a team traveling 3,000 miles.

Eagles 26, Seattle 20

 
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.

 
IgglesFan said:
I see this as a game where Seattle will play to their strength: running the football. Whether its a Lynch-fest, or a lot of Wilson running the read-option, or a combo of both....I don't see Seattle wanting to throw the ball a ton and get into a shootout. The good news for the Eagles is they see a lot of the read-option in practice, and should be patient and not bite on it too much. That said, Foles/Sanchez running it is a heck of a lot different than what Wilson brings.

On the other side, I see the Eagles being adept enough to take what the Seattle defense gives: a lot of short slot-passing, and some one-on-one looks when the safetys cheat to the middle. The Eagles can pass-protect, and will likely keep the TE in to manage any overloads to one side. Celek will see a ton more snaps than Ertz in a game like this, as he is a superior blocker. The Eagles will run the ball alot themselves, whether they have success or not. McCoy should get a good workload between the tackles, especially with Polk questionable and not practicing.

Should be a great game, with both teams playing better defense than offense. I'll take the team that can offer a few different looks in terms of keeping its opponent off-balance, and the one playing at home against a team traveling 3,000 miles.

Eagles 26, Seattle 20
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Interesting take on Eagles practicing against the read-option. Makes me second guess playing Wilson this week.

The other concern is that w/o Unger, Wilson's pass protection has been really bad. Wilson took 7 sacks against AZ and another 4 last week against SF. The only thing that has saved him has been his rushing yds. If the Eagles are used to seeing the read-option, his rushing yds may be hurt more.

 
I think a key match-up in this one will be Barwin vs. Wilson. I think the Eagles will use Barwin to spy Wilson like they did in the Carolina game against Newton. If Barwin is able to contain Wilson then the Seahawks offense is going to be in trouble. If Wilson is able to get away from Barwin then the Eagles defense breaksdown and the Seahawks will be able to do some things.

I think part of the reason the Eagles fans are confident is that while not great in every aspect of the game, the Eagles are dangerous in every aspect of the game. They can force turnovers and score on defense. They get sacks. They get interceptions. They can score on special teams, both returns and kick blocks. Obviously their offense is adept at scoring. Their biggest weakness is getting beat deep and the Seahawks don't appear to have anyone that can do that consistently. Their other weakness is offensive turnovers. I think if Seattle can force at least 3 turnovers they should have a good shot at winning. Otherwise, I think the Eagles playing at home have a great chance to win this one.

 
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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It's hard to win on the road in the NFL.

 
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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If this was in Seattle, I think it'd be a little different. Eagles are awesome at home and their defense matches up really well with Seattle's offense. Philly's offense will be tested, but I think they're good enough to put up 17-20 points and I think the defense can hold Seattle to less than that. But Seattle's a great team and I won't be surprised if they win. They've looked dominant the last two games.

 
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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It reminds me of the pre-game confidence leading up to a game back in early February...

 
MarcO said:
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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It reminds me of the pre-game confidence leading up to a game back in early February...
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It reminds me of every week in the NFL. Local fans are always going to look for reasons why their team is better than any other team. Its nature of being a fan(ataic). Seattle fans are no different.

I'm still bothered by the notion that Seattle is the dominant force that they were during the Super Bowl game. They're not. To expect them to play that way and be that team every weekend isn't reasonable. Can they be that team on any given weekend? Sure, they have that potential, but performance for every team is going to have some form of deviation from their mean. That day was their 99th percentile. It just happened to occur during a Super Bowl.

 
Awful Waffle said:
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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If this was in Seattle, I think it'd be a little different. Eagles are awesome at home and their defense matches up really well with Seattle's offense. Philly's offense will be tested, but I think they're good enough to put up 17-20 points and I think the defense can hold Seattle to less than that. But Seattle's a great team and I won't be surprised if they win. They've looked dominant the last two games.
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I'd be surprised if Seattle doesn't score at least 20 points this game.

 
Snotbubbles said:
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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It's hard to win on the road in the NFL.
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Definitely. Especially against quality teams like Philly and San Francisco.

I'm not overly confident as a Seahawks fan, to be clear.

 
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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Why? Eagles are one of the most well rounded teams in the league. I'd bet we are in the top five in offense and ST and would be close on defense if not for the GB game. 10-0 at home over the last 10 games.

This team matches up very good against you guys. We're very good against the run which is Seattle's strength. As someone noted earlier Barwin, who's been playing at an elite level this year, is going to spy Wilson all game. If he can keep contain on Wilson and the front line does their job I'd be very surprised if Seattle's offense puts up 20+.

Chip's offense will be facing its toughest test this week, but if anyone can scheme for what the defense gives them, its Chip. Eagles fan's have a lot of faith in him. I know I do. I see a lot of attacking the middle of the field. I know your LB's are great at stopping the run, but not sure about coverage. Sanchez favors the middle and Matthews has been excelling there. I feel like I say this every week, but I think Ertz could finally have a big day. I also expect them to run a ton and the hurry up is going to be in full effect. All it takes is a couple of bang bang rushes by McCoy to tire out the defense and then Sproles is off to the races.

I also personally believe that Chip has been holding back offensively. We saw more read-option plays in the Dallas game than we had all season prior. New wrinkles this week. My call on a Wednesday at work....

Birds win 27-19

 
Neutral field, I take SEA.

But the Linc isn't neutral. It's a big edge. The Eagles are 6-0 at home, and Seattle has a looooong trip. I think that matters lots here.

Should be a good game. A couple things I have my eye on:

1) Eagles STs are the best in the league so far this year IMO. Sproles, Huff, Parkey, and others have provided a big spark in several games. A key return or turnover here could make all the difference.

2) Barwin shadowing Cam Newton a couple weeks ago really was effective at containing the QB movement. I expect SEA has watched that film, but given the 10 days off, Chip and Billy may have a new wrinkle or two to put in place against Wilson. :football:

24-22 type game IMO. Home team pulls one out.

 
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Seattle is starting to get healthy and starting to play dominant D again. If they go into Philly and win they vault to the top of the NFC power rankings for me (and superbowl favorites).

Should be a good game. I hope Philly can bring it physically, because Seattle has that look again. Can't wait for this one.

 
Are people thinking this will be a shoot out or a relatively lower scoring game. Fewest points philly has scored this year is 20. Any chance seattle can keep them below that?

 
Tool said:
Are people thinking this will be a shoot out or a relatively lower scoring game. Fewest points philly has scored this year is 20. Any chance seattle can keep them below that?
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If Seattle plays a ball control game and keeps Philly offense off the field they could. Philly runs such an up tempo game that a 10 play, 80 yard drive only takes like 3 minutes off the clock. It's not that they are particularly efficient, it's just that they go so fast that they get more opportunities to score and wear defenses out.

Plus the Philly special teams is so good, I have never seen anything like it. Almost every game they make huge plays that either put points on the board or change momentum and field position in Philly's favor.

 
Snotbubbles said:
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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It's hard to win on the road in the NFL.
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...and we all know that teams traveling cross-country typically don't fare well. Add in that Philly is 5-0 at home, and also has beaten then Colts and Cowboys on the road.

I am not over-confident, but I certainly think they a better than 50/50 chance of winning :confused:

 
IgglesFan said:
Snotbubbles said:
proninja said:
I'm surprised at how confident the Eagles fans are going into this one. Virtually every Eagles fan seems to think they're going to win, and there was some eagles blog talking about the utter disrespect that they were 1.5 point favorites.

Imagine at the beginning of the year if you'd said that a Mark Sanchez led team would be favored over the Seahawks. Funny how quickly things change in the NFL.
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It's hard to win on the road in the NFL.
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...and we all know that teams traveling cross-country typically don't fare well. Add in that Philly is 5-0 at home, and also has beaten then Colts and Cowboys on the road.

I am not over-confident, but I certainly think they a better than 50/50 chance of winning :confused:
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6-0 at home.

 
packer_junkie said:
Seattles D looked unreal on thanksgiving. As a Packer fan, I think they are the best team in the NFC.

Hawks 31

Eagles 20
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I think GB, Sea and Phi are all fairly even in different aspects. Seattle overwhelming defense with ball control offense. Green Bay overwhelming offense with fast defense that likes to play ahead. Philly fast offense, opportunistic defense and the best special teams in the league.

Play each of them on their home field and they will beat you. I don't think Philly could win in Sea or GB in Jan and I don't think the Sea or GB would win here. I think Philly does enough to win this week.

 
packer_junkie said:
Seattles D looked unreal on thanksgiving. As a Packer fan, I think they are the best team in the NFC.

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Eagles 20
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As did the Eagles D. Stopping the leagues leading rusher and dominating the leagues best OL according to many.

Side note-- If you are truely a Packers fan, you seem a little off your rocker. With the way theyve been playing lately they look like the best team in the NFL let alone the NFC

 
I'd be very shocked if this game ended with either team winning by over a TD. I think Vegas has this pegged for a one-two point win for either side. My heart says Eagles but my head thinks Russell Wilson pulls of some sick moves to win it for seattle. 23-21 Seattle.

 
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