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Crabtree refuses to run the 40 at the combine (1 Viewer)

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Report: Crabtree won't run 40 at the Combine

Michael Crabtree reportedly does not plan to run the forty-yard dash at the NFL Combine.

The biggest unknown about Crabtree is his straight-line speed, so backing out of the forty on a level playing field raises question marks. It also indicates that Crabtree hasn't timed well during his pre-draft preparation. Crabtree could always change his mind at the last minute like Calvin Johnson two years ago, but for now he only plans to run at the Texas Tech Pro Day. Feb. 1 - 12:17 pm et

Source: Tacoma News Tribune

RUH ROE....Obviously he doesn't want his stock to slide, so I don't blame him for running as little as possible. I worry that he's Mike Williams v 2.0. with a little more skill. That may be a little harsh, but red flags are everywhere. To be honest, I've watched a lot of video on this guy, and he's not a can't miss prospect. I'm not saying he WILL bust, but the red flags are up and blowing in full force.

 
It's pretty common for top prospects to skip the drills at the combine. I wouldn't read into it too much unless he runs a 4.6 or 4.7 at his pro day. Even then, speed isn't his strong suit. He's in the Cotchery/Boldin mold.

I think he's quicker than Mike Williams. Mike Williams was a big body whose main assets were his coordination, size, and strength. Even before he was drafted, there was talk that he might be converted to TE. You don't hear that kind of talk about Crabtree.

 
It's pretty common for top prospects to skip the drills at the combine. I wouldn't read into it too much unless he runs a 4.6 or 4.7 at his pro day. Even then, speed isn't his strong suit. He's in the Cotchery/Boldin mold. I think he's quicker than Mike Williams. Mike Williams was a big body whose main assets were his coordination, size, and strength. Even before he was drafted, there was talk that he might be converted to TE. You don't hear that kind of talk about Crabtree.
He's got a bad ankle as well...in which his dad wants him to see an ankle specialist.He hobbled around in the Bowl game, and I don't think it will be 100% by the combine
 
It's pretty common for top prospects to skip the drills at the combine. I wouldn't read into it too much unless he runs a 4.6 or 4.7 at his pro day. Even then, speed isn't his strong suit. He's in the Cotchery/Boldin mold. I think he's quicker than Mike Williams. Mike Williams was a big body whose main assets were his coordination, size, and strength. Even before he was drafted, there was talk that he might be converted to TE. You don't hear that kind of talk about Crabtree.
That's still not very comforting. I know speed isn't everything, but to ignore the "possibility" of trouble separating is foolish. It's a fact that the Texas Tech system contributed to a degree of Crabtree's success. That's the other red flag.
 
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To be honest, I've watched a lot of video on this guy, and he's not a can't miss prospect. I'm not saying he WILL bust, but the red flags are up and blowing in full force.
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you pimping Crabtree last month as a can't miss prospect? I could be 100% off base here but I seem to recall you pimping him hard a little while back.
 
To be honest, I've watched a lot of video on this guy, and he's not a can't miss prospect. I'm not saying he WILL bust, but the red flags are up and blowing in full force.
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you pimping Crabtree last month as a can't miss prospect? I could be 100% off base here but I seem to recall you pimping him hard a little while back.
Responding to my own post, search of Hoss didn't show any pimpage of Crabtree so I was 100% off base.
 
To be honest, I've watched a lot of video on this guy, and he's not a can't miss prospect. I'm not saying he WILL bust, but the red flags are up and blowing in full force.
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you pimping Crabtree last month as a can't miss prospect? I could be 100% off base here but I seem to recall you pimping him hard a little while back.
Responding to my own post, search of Hoss didn't show any pimpage of Crabtree so I was 100% off base.
Just to make sure, search JohnnyU also (same person). I don't believe I've ever pimped Crabtree, but I will say that I'm not totally sure how good he will be. I'm just saying I see holes in the "can't miss" talk. If you do find it somewhere that I pimped him, I'm now cautious.
 
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To be honest, I've watched a lot of video on this guy, and he's not a can't miss prospect. I'm not saying he WILL bust, but the red flags are up and blowing in full force.
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you pimping Crabtree last month as a can't miss prospect? I could be 100% off base here but I seem to recall you pimping him hard a little while back.
Responding to my own post, search of Hoss didn't show any pimpage of Crabtree so I was 100% off base.
Just to make sure, search JohnnyU also (same person). I don't believe I've ever pimped Crabtree, but I will say that I'm not totally sure how good he will be. I'm just saying I see holes in the "can't miss" talk. If you do find it somewhere that I pimped him, I'm now cautious.
I dont see how this is a big deal. Top prospects every year skip parts are all of the combine.
 
Why does this have its own thread?
Maybe because of the possible holes in the game of the most hyped skill player in the draft. What's your problem? I certainly think Crabtree deserves his own thread. We don't have to just talk about his speed, but also many aspects of his game, the Texas Tech system vs his game, etc. etc.
 
Since scouts put WAY too much stock in the 40 time, why would anyone run it unless all they had skill wise was a good 40 time? Elite prospects skip the 40 ALL THE TIME.

 
That Axl Rose kept Guns N’ Roses fans waiting 17 years for “Chinese Democracy” didn’t seem to bother the corn-rowed rocker all that much. But when Dr Pepper was unable to deliver a free can of soda to everyone in the country upon the album’s release, that was more than Axl and his lawyers could stand.
:excited:
 
Why does this have its own thread?
Maybe because of the possible holes in the game of the most hyped skill player in the draft. What's your problem? I certainly think Crabtree deserves his own thread. We don't have to just talk about his speed, but also many aspects of his game, the Texas Tech system vs his game, etc. etc.
Maybe we could get a list of all the potential top 10 picks that refused the run at the combine. That is why there should not be a seperate post about Crabtree not running. Because its no big deal!
 
I would agree that Crabtree is an overrated prospect in the sense of what fantasy footballers seem to think of him. He is still a very good prospect though. His speed has been a known problem area for a long time and the comforts of the TT system are well know too. Not running at the combine is no big deal at all. Now if he simply refuses to run the 40 at all (skips it at his pro day too) then we have a much larger issue than everyone seems to think IMO. So long as he runs at one point or another no harm no foul IMO. I would expect him to run in the 4.58 - 4.65 range.

 
If I was Crabtree I wouldn't run the 40, either.
me too but I like the #s so I hope it doesn't become a trend.I think it'd be fun to see an obstacle course run but I don't imagine there's anyone in the world more scared of tearing a knee than those guys at the NFL combine as they're "this close" to being millionaires.
 
NFL Headlines

Report: Crabtree won't run 40 at the Combine

Michael Crabtree reportedly does not plan to run the forty-yard dash at the NFL Combine.

The biggest unknown about Crabtree is his straight-line speed, so backing out of the forty on a level playing field raises question marks. It also indicates that Crabtree hasn't timed well during his pre-draft preparation. Crabtree could always change his mind at the last minute like Calvin Johnson two years ago, but for now he only plans to run at the Texas Tech Pro Day. Feb. 1 - 12:17 pm et

Source: Tacoma News Tribune

RUH ROE....Obviously he doesn't want his stock to slide, so I don't blame him for running as little as possible. I worry that he's Mike Williams v 2.0. with a little more skill. That may be a little harsh, but red flags are everywhere. To be honest, I've watched a lot of video on this guy, and he's not a can't miss prospect. I'm not saying he WILL bust, but the red flags are up and blowing in full force.
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NFL Headlines

Report: Crabtree won't run 40 at the Combine

Michael Crabtree reportedly does not plan to run the forty-yard dash at the NFL Combine.

The biggest unknown about Crabtree is his straight-line speed, so backing out of the forty on a level playing field raises question marks. It also indicates that Crabtree hasn't timed well during his pre-draft preparation. Crabtree could always change his mind at the last minute like Calvin Johnson two years ago, but for now he only plans to run at the Texas Tech Pro Day. Feb. 1 - 12:17 pm et

Source: Tacoma News Tribune

RUH ROE....Obviously he doesn't want his stock to slide, so I don't blame him for running as little as possible. I worry that he's Mike Williams v 2.0. with a little more skill. That may be a little harsh, but red flags are everywhere. To be honest, I've watched a lot of video on this guy, and he's not a can't miss prospect. I'm not saying he WILL bust, but the red flags are up and blowing in full force.
:lol:
Not being able to gain separation against NFL corners and playing in the TT system are the two biggest red flags. I'm not saying he can't overcome both, I'm just saying it's something you can't ignore.
 
he has nothing to gain,he can risk his helath, and his position if he were to underperform.. he is the WR1of this draft... he should be able to start at Calvin Johnson's contract... it's business...coaches and GMs have enough tape to look at...and they can validate his character at the combine

I would think tho...some type of physical is administered if there are health concerns

 
Michael Irvin on Crabtree

Michael Irvin on Crabtree

Posted by Eric Williams @ 09:01:13 am

With mock drafts currently listing the Seattle Seahawks drafting Michael Crabtree, I decided to try and roundup some more information on him. And who better to talk to but Michael Irvin, a friend of the Crabtree family and one of the people advising the redshirt sophomore as he prepares for the upcoming April draft.

Crabtree, who recently announced he's entering this year's draft, is working out with Olympic champion sprinter Michael Johnson and receiving advice from Irvin and Deion Sanders as he prepares for the combine and his pro day. Crabtree will not run the 40-yard dash at the combine, but will run at his Pro Day.

[More:]

Even after the gaudy numbers and spectacular plays Crabtree has put together over his college career, and his two Fred Biletnikoff awards as the best college in the country, there are still lingering questions about the talented receiver.

Is he fast enough?

Is he injury prone?

Is he a system player?

Irvin addressed some of those issues in a conversation I had with him during Super Bowl week.

“I think he’s going to be a phenomenal player in this league, but he has to fall into the right system,” Irvin said. “You cannot put a big guy like Crabtree in a system that caters to small receivers, what I call a scat system. You have to put him in a system where his size and strength can be used to his advantage.

“This is what confuses me a lot of times. When you talk about players and where they would play and how would they perform, people tend to think that you can take any player and play him anywhere, if he’s a true player. But true success comes when you put a player in a system that fits his talent. And his talent, he’s a big guy. So put him in a timing offense. Let him run some out routes, timing routes. Get the ball in his hands and let these DBs fall off of him because he’s such a big, strong runner. He reminds me a lot of Anquan Boldin. And I love Boldin. He’s a beast. And so is Crabtree.

“In this game now, when you’ve got a guy who can run like that, go and get the ball and you can’t touch him after five yards anymore? Oh God, that’s advantage offense all the way right there.”

Not necessarily a burner himself, but now in the Hall of Fame and considered one of the best receivers to play the game, Irvin said the speed question should be considered in a larger, overall perspective.

Irvin talked about game speed, and maintaining speed over the course of the game. He said some guys are running 4.4 40-yard dashes at the beginning of the game, but their speed decreases through the course of the contest and they’re slower in the fourth quarter. Irvin believes that Crabtree has the kind of endurance and strength to maintain his speed throughout the game, and that he makes plays with the game on the line in the fourth quarter.

“The difference between a 4.7 and a 4.5 (is this),” Irvin said, quickly snapping his fingers twice. “You can barely get it on your hands if you pressed your thumb and pressed it again. … And we discount game speed, and we discount strength.

“I don’t just want to know your speed in the first quarter. I want to know your speed in the fourth quarter because I’m not winning any games in the first quarter. This guy, Michael Crabtree has fourth quarter speed.”

He also said Crabtree would be a good fit in the West Coast offense because of his ability to run after the catch, and compared Crabtree’s running ability to Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens, who both played in the West Coast offense in San Francisco. Irvin joked that he wished he would have had a chance to play in the West Coast offense, but couldn’t look back with too much disappointment because he has three Super Bowl rings.

“That system fits,” Irvin said. “That’s a timing system that allows him to put the ball in his hands as early as you can and let him go do what he can do with it. And you know he has some RAC ability -- some run after catch. So for him, that’s a great system.”

Irvin talked about the reality TV show he’ll host, which pits six receivers against six defensive backs for a chance to earn a spot on the Dallas Cowboys’ 80-man training camp roster

 
This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?

ETA: Jerry Rice was too slow too. :IBTL:

 
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This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
 
This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
The way I recall it, there were far more questions surrounding Williams than there are with Crabtree. I also don't recall Williams being deemed a "blue-chip."Hey, if you wanna pass on Crabtree for your dynasty draft, that's on you.

ETA: Your options offer no greater likelihood of success than does Crabtree.

 
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This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
The way I recall it, there were far more questions surrounding Williams than there are with Crabtree. I also don't recall Williams being deemed a "blue-chip."Hey, if you wanna pass on Crabtree for your dynasty draft, that's on you.
Like I said, he could be a stud, but I refuse to have blinders on. An open mind on someone like Crabtree is essential.
 
This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
The way I recall it, there were far more questions surrounding Williams than there are with Crabtree. I also don't recall Williams being deemed a "blue-chip."Hey, if you wanna pass on Crabtree for your dynasty draft, that's on you.

ETA: Your options offer no greater likelihood of success than does Crabtree.
I disagree. Traditionally RBs are easier to guage than WRs. I'd be willing to bet the bust rate for WRs are greater than for RBs who are equallly or close to equally rated with their WR counterparts.
 
In & of itself, the 40 is the most overrated tool in scouting, IMO. It's not like I don't use it as a tiny part of my evaluations, but I believe their 10 & 20-yard splits (especially the 10) are much more useful.

 
This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
The way I recall it, there were far more questions surrounding Williams than there are with Crabtree. I also don't recall Williams being deemed a "blue-chip."Hey, if you wanna pass on Crabtree for your dynasty draft, that's on you.

ETA: Your options offer no greater likelihood of success than does Crabtree.
I disagree. Traditionally RBs are easier to guage than WRs. I'd be willing to bet the bust rate for WRs are greater than for RBs who are equallly or close to equally rated with their WR counterparts.
O.K., then draft a RB and let the chips fall as they may.
 
In & of itself, the 40 is the most overrated tool in scouting, IMO. It's not like I don't use it as a tiny part of my evaluations, but I believe their 10 & 20-yard splits (especially the 10) are much more useful.
What about route running due to scheme? I agree that 40 time is overrated to some degree, but if you have trouble separating and you're used to running the types of routes ran at Texas Tech, doesn't that put him behind a little going into his rookie year?
 
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Hoss_Cartwright said:
Football Jones said:
In & of itself, the 40 is the most overrated tool in scouting, IMO. It's not like I don't use it as a tiny part of my evaluations, but I believe their 10 & 20-yard splits (especially the 10) are much more useful.
What about route running due to scheme? I agree that 40 time is overrated to some degree, but if you have trouble separating and you're used to running the types of routes ran at Texas Tech, doesn't that put him behind a little going into his rookie year?
We don't know if he'll have trouble seperating, but the 40 (alone) will tell us very little, IMO. His 10 & 20-yard split times will tell me much more. I understand why not playing in a pro-type offense would put doubts in people's minds (& rightly so), but from what I can gather watching him, I'm confident he'll be a very good route runner who can get consistent seperation.I'm anxious to see what he runs, tho (especially the 10/20 splits). I believe he's easily the best skill position prospect in the draft, & only an extremely poor time will change my mind.
 
Andy Herron said:
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Andy Herron said:
This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
The way I recall it, there were far more questions surrounding Williams than there are with Crabtree. I also don't recall Williams being deemed a "blue-chip."Hey, if you wanna pass on Crabtree for your dynasty draft, that's on you.

ETA: Your options offer no greater likelihood of success than does Crabtree.
Really? Kiper had at #1 on his big board. Discount Kiper all you want, but he has better connections than anyone on this board.
 
Andy Herron said:
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Andy Herron said:
This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
The way I recall it, there were far more questions surrounding Williams than there are with Crabtree. I also don't recall Williams being deemed a "blue-chip."Hey, if you wanna pass on Crabtree for your dynasty draft, that's on you.

ETA: Your options offer no greater likelihood of success than does Crabtree.
Really? Kiper had at #1 on his big board. Discount Kiper all you want, but he has better connections than anyone on this board.
:confused: If can't provide proof I call :lmao:

 
Andy Herron said:
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Andy Herron said:
This is ridiculous.

Crabtree is an elite talent that has nothing to gain or prove by running a 40 that doesn't mean anything in the end anyway.

He's a blue chip, plain and simple.

It's the players that aren't that wish to take advantage of every opportunity to increase their "perceived" value by training for and running the 40.

In the end, 40 times mean squat. Crabtree has nothing to prove. He's already a top five pick lock. What could he possibly have to gain?
That asside, wasn't Mike Williams a blue chip prospect? Crabtree may turn out to be a stud, I don't know, but I do not like to have blinders on when deciding who should I take in a dynasty draft between Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy, and Maclin. Besides the fear of lack of separation as mentioned already, he may have trouble adapting to the pro game because of the system he played in at TT. Texas Tech doesn't run many deep posts, deep out, or deep corners within their scheme, so his route running at the pro level comes into play here I believe. I do believe he will be an awesome WR going up for jump balls and making the tough catch. He could very well be as good as Boldin.
The way I recall it, there were far more questions surrounding Williams than there are with Crabtree. I also don't recall Williams being deemed a "blue-chip."Hey, if you wanna pass on Crabtree for your dynasty draft, that's on you.

ETA: Your options offer no greater likelihood of success than does Crabtree.
Really? Kiper had at #1 on his big board. Discount Kiper all you want, but he has better connections than anyone on this board.
:thumbdown: If can't provide proof I call :banned:
I'm sure there are more links than this one. This is the first one I came across.Here

Kiper: Mike Williams is one of my worst draft evaluation

Posted by Justin Rogers April 18, 2008 12:23PM

We can all appreciate when a man lives up to his mistakes and Mel Kiper is doing just that in an ESPN Insider column today where he breaks down his ten worst draft evaluations. Not that anyone is going to be surprised, but three Detroit Lions' draft picks cracked Kiper's list, with BMW the crown jewel of the piece.

April 18, ESPN.com: Williams was one of my worst evaluations ever. His career is not over, but he's with his third team (Tennessee Titans) in as many seasons. Someone has to light a fire under Williams, who has been a huge underachiever in the NFL. I thought he was the best player in the 2005 draft, but he wouldn't justify a fifth-round pick in this year's draft.

The other two Lions to make the list were Marc Spindler and Andre Ware.
ETA: Here's another one.Trojanwire

Mel Kiper: Mike Williams Is #1

Rory MacDonald, TrojanWire

Mel Kiper, ESPN's expert analyst for annual NFL draft coverage since 1984, has USC wide receiver Mike Williams on the top of the 25 NFL prospects.

Mike Williams back at No. 1 [ESPN]
 
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Lots of silliness in this thread.

Crabtree is a great player and a great prospect. He's NOTHING like Mike Williams. I think it would be a big mistake to allow a mediocre 40 time to bump him down your board. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. Not every WR has to be a speed merchant. Crabtree is cut from the same cloth as guys like Muhsin Muhammad, Anquan Boldin, Dwayne Bowe, Hines Ward, and Jerricho Cotchery. He'll excel because he's quick, athletic, strong, and he has great hands.

I happen to love this WR class. I think Maclin could be great and I also like Harvin a lot. Even so, Crabtree is clearly the best RB or WR prospect in the draft. That's why he'll be the first one picked come April.

 
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